1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,310 Hey everyone, as you know, I comment on 2 00:00:02,310 --> 00:00:02,320 Hey everyone, as you know, I comment on 3 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,550 Hey everyone, as you know, I comment on all things science in order to expose 4 00:00:04,550 --> 00:00:04,560 all things science in order to expose 5 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:06,550 all things science in order to expose anti-science narratives that polarize 6 00:00:06,550 --> 00:00:06,560 anti-science narratives that polarize 7 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:07,990 anti-science narratives that polarize the public against the scientific 8 00:00:07,990 --> 00:00:08,000 the public against the scientific 9 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,750 the public against the scientific community. There's one area I have 10 00:00:09,750 --> 00:00:09,760 community. There's one area I have 11 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,350 community. There's one area I have commented on very little because of how 12 00:00:11,350 --> 00:00:11,360 commented on very little because of how 13 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,350 commented on very little because of how nebulous it is, and that's artificial 14 00:00:13,350 --> 00:00:13,360 nebulous it is, and that's artificial 15 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,110 nebulous it is, and that's artificial intelligence. But let's do our best to 16 00:00:15,110 --> 00:00:15,120 intelligence. But let's do our best to 17 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,670 intelligence. But let's do our best to rectify that. Now, many of you saw a 18 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:17,680 rectify that. Now, many of you saw a 19 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,269 rectify that. Now, many of you saw a piece I put out last summer called, 20 00:00:19,269 --> 00:00:19,279 piece I put out last summer called, 21 00:00:19,279 --> 00:00:21,510 piece I put out last summer called, "Will artificial intelligence destroy 22 00:00:21,510 --> 00:00:21,520 "Will artificial intelligence destroy 23 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,590 "Will artificial intelligence destroy humanity?" which outlined significant 24 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:23,600 humanity?" which outlined significant 25 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,269 humanity?" which outlined significant concerns regarding the advent of 26 00:00:25,269 --> 00:00:25,279 concerns regarding the advent of 27 00:00:25,279 --> 00:00:27,349 concerns regarding the advent of technology that the global tech industry 28 00:00:27,349 --> 00:00:27,359 technology that the global tech industry 29 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:29,429 technology that the global tech industry is actively pursuing and which many 30 00:00:29,429 --> 00:00:29,439 is actively pursuing and which many 31 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:31,429 is actively pursuing and which many experts have declared a very serious 32 00:00:31,429 --> 00:00:31,439 experts have declared a very serious 33 00:00:31,439 --> 00:00:33,830 experts have declared a very serious extinction risk. I highlighted some 34 00:00:33,830 --> 00:00:33,840 extinction risk. I highlighted some 35 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,750 extinction risk. I highlighted some fascinating research whereby all the 36 00:00:35,750 --> 00:00:35,760 fascinating research whereby all the 37 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,990 fascinating research whereby all the major AI models demonstrated the 38 00:00:37,990 --> 00:00:38,000 major AI models demonstrated the 39 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,069 major AI models demonstrated the tendency to perform blackmail or even 40 00:00:40,069 --> 00:00:40,079 tendency to perform blackmail or even 41 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:41,910 tendency to perform blackmail or even murder people. I talked about what the 42 00:00:41,910 --> 00:00:41,920 murder people. I talked about what the 43 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,389 murder people. I talked about what the CEOs of these tech firms say about AI 44 00:00:44,389 --> 00:00:44,399 CEOs of these tech firms say about AI 45 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:46,310 CEOs of these tech firms say about AI and contrasted that with what neutral 46 00:00:46,310 --> 00:00:46,320 and contrasted that with what neutral 47 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,630 and contrasted that with what neutral academics say. The reaction towards that 48 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:48,640 academics say. The reaction towards that 49 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,470 academics say. The reaction towards that video was interesting. Many people 50 00:00:50,470 --> 00:00:50,480 video was interesting. Many people 51 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:52,549 video was interesting. Many people resonated with the concerns while some 52 00:00:52,549 --> 00:00:52,559 resonated with the concerns while some 53 00:00:52,559 --> 00:00:54,310 resonated with the concerns while some others raised objections towards the 54 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:54,320 others raised objections towards the 55 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,150 others raised objections towards the reasoning presented in the video. This 56 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:56,160 reasoning presented in the video. This 57 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,150 reasoning presented in the video. This prompted a follow-up conversation with 58 00:00:58,150 --> 00:00:58,160 prompted a follow-up conversation with 59 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,310 prompted a follow-up conversation with John Perry where we discussed my video 60 00:01:00,310 --> 00:01:00,320 John Perry where we discussed my video 61 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,830 John Perry where we discussed my video and the lines of thinking on either 62 00:01:01,830 --> 00:01:01,840 and the lines of thinking on either 63 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,710 and the lines of thinking on either side. What makes this topic so tricky is 64 00:01:04,710 --> 00:01:04,720 side. What makes this topic so tricky is 65 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,550 side. What makes this topic so tricky is that it is totally unlike anything else 66 00:01:06,550 --> 00:01:06,560 that it is totally unlike anything else 67 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,630 that it is totally unlike anything else I address on my channel. If you believe 68 00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:08,640 I address on my channel. If you believe 69 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,870 I address on my channel. If you believe that vaccines cause autism, you're 70 00:01:10,870 --> 00:01:10,880 that vaccines cause autism, you're 71 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,950 that vaccines cause autism, you're wrong. If you believe anthropogenic 72 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:12,960 wrong. If you believe anthropogenic 73 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,109 wrong. If you believe anthropogenic climate change isn't real, you're wrong. 74 00:01:15,109 --> 00:01:15,119 climate change isn't real, you're wrong. 75 00:01:15,119 --> 00:01:17,270 climate change isn't real, you're wrong. If you believe the Earth is flat, you're 76 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:17,280 If you believe the Earth is flat, you're 77 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,149 If you believe the Earth is flat, you're wrong. Science deniers are wrong. And my 78 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:20,159 wrong. Science deniers are wrong. And my 79 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:22,310 wrong. Science deniers are wrong. And my task as a science communicator is to 80 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:22,320 task as a science communicator is to 81 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,149 task as a science communicator is to convincingly demonstrate the wrongness 82 00:01:24,149 --> 00:01:24,159 convincingly demonstrate the wrongness 83 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:26,310 convincingly demonstrate the wrongness of the science denier using as much 84 00:01:26,310 --> 00:01:26,320 of the science denier using as much 85 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,390 of the science denier using as much legitimate science as is necessary. An 86 00:01:28,390 --> 00:01:28,400 legitimate science as is necessary. An 87 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,590 legitimate science as is necessary. An amount which depends on how 88 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:29,600 amount which depends on how 89 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,109 amount which depends on how sophisticated the anti-science 90 00:01:31,109 --> 00:01:31,119 sophisticated the anti-science 91 00:01:31,119 --> 00:01:33,670 sophisticated the anti-science propaganda campaign is. But this topic 92 00:01:33,670 --> 00:01:33,680 propaganda campaign is. But this topic 93 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,510 propaganda campaign is. But this topic is different. Those who firmly believe 94 00:01:35,510 --> 00:01:35,520 is different. Those who firmly believe 95 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,429 is different. Those who firmly believe that super intelligent AI is the 96 00:01:37,429 --> 00:01:37,439 that super intelligent AI is the 97 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:39,429 that super intelligent AI is the greatest threat to mankind and those who 98 00:01:39,429 --> 00:01:39,439 greatest threat to mankind and those who 99 00:01:39,439 --> 00:01:41,270 greatest threat to mankind and those who believe it's not a threat at all. These 100 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:41,280 believe it's not a threat at all. These 101 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,190 believe it's not a threat at all. These are projections about future events that 102 00:01:43,190 --> 00:01:43,200 are projections about future events that 103 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,630 are projections about future events that are highly uncertain. And the 104 00:01:44,630 --> 00:01:44,640 are highly uncertain. And the 105 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,550 are highly uncertain. And the uncertainty is compounded by the fact 106 00:01:46,550 --> 00:01:46,560 uncertainty is compounded by the fact 107 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,710 uncertainty is compounded by the fact that nobody really truly understands 108 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:48,720 that nobody really truly understands 109 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,789 that nobody really truly understands exactly how these models work and how 110 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:50,799 exactly how these models work and how 111 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:53,030 exactly how these models work and how they learn. In fact, I don't really know 112 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:53,040 they learn. In fact, I don't really know 113 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,270 they learn. In fact, I don't really know what my precise position is on this 114 00:01:55,270 --> 00:01:55,280 what my precise position is on this 115 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,429 what my precise position is on this topic. Those experiments demonstrating 116 00:01:57,429 --> 00:01:57,439 topic. Those experiments demonstrating 117 00:01:57,439 --> 00:01:58,950 topic. Those experiments demonstrating destructive behavior are very 118 00:01:58,950 --> 00:01:58,960 destructive behavior are very 119 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,950 destructive behavior are very convincing. Claims that people like Sam 120 00:02:00,950 --> 00:02:00,960 convincing. Claims that people like Sam 121 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,870 convincing. Claims that people like Sam Alman are deliberately overhyping the 122 00:02:02,870 --> 00:02:02,880 Alman are deliberately overhyping the 123 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,870 Alman are deliberately overhyping the tech are also somewhat convincing, 124 00:02:04,870 --> 00:02:04,880 tech are also somewhat convincing, 125 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,630 tech are also somewhat convincing, especially given the fact that it has 126 00:02:06,630 --> 00:02:06,640 especially given the fact that it has 127 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,389 especially given the fact that it has recently come out that Sam is most 128 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:08,399 recently come out that Sam is most 129 00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:10,550 recently come out that Sam is most likely a complete psychopath. In 130 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:10,560 likely a complete psychopath. In 131 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,390 likely a complete psychopath. In instances like this where it's difficult 132 00:02:12,390 --> 00:02:12,400 instances like this where it's difficult 133 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,550 instances like this where it's difficult to arrive at firm conclusions, the best 134 00:02:14,550 --> 00:02:14,560 to arrive at firm conclusions, the best 135 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,550 to arrive at firm conclusions, the best we can do is continue to listen to as 136 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:16,560 we can do is continue to listen to as 137 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,790 we can do is continue to listen to as many sources as we can. In my first 138 00:02:18,790 --> 00:02:18,800 many sources as we can. In my first 139 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,790 many sources as we can. In my first video on this topic, I closed with a 140 00:02:20,790 --> 00:02:20,800 video on this topic, I closed with a 141 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,030 video on this topic, I closed with a call to action steering viewers towards 142 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:23,040 call to action steering viewers towards 143 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,510 call to action steering viewers towards a nonprofit organization called Control 144 00:02:25,510 --> 00:02:25,520 a nonprofit organization called Control 145 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,510 a nonprofit organization called Control AI that is trying to influence 146 00:02:27,510 --> 00:02:27,520 AI that is trying to influence 147 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,750 AI that is trying to influence legislation towards a global ban on 148 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:29,760 legislation towards a global ban on 149 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,750 legislation towards a global ban on super intelligent AI. first through 150 00:02:31,750 --> 00:02:31,760 super intelligent AI. first through 151 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,430 super intelligent AI. first through local governments and eventually by 152 00:02:33,430 --> 00:02:33,440 local governments and eventually by 153 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,110 local governments and eventually by international treaty. They have been 154 00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:35,120 international treaty. They have been 155 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,110 international treaty. They have been making slow but steady progress in 156 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:37,120 making slow but steady progress in 157 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,869 making slow but steady progress in winning over the attention and concern 158 00:02:38,869 --> 00:02:38,879 winning over the attention and concern 159 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:41,110 winning over the attention and concern of politicians and lawmakers in numerous 160 00:02:41,110 --> 00:02:41,120 of politicians and lawmakers in numerous 161 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,110 of politicians and lawmakers in numerous countries. I'd like to continue the 162 00:02:43,110 --> 00:02:43,120 countries. I'd like to continue the 163 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,869 countries. I'd like to continue the dialogue on this endeavor and super 164 00:02:44,869 --> 00:02:44,879 dialogue on this endeavor and super 165 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:47,110 dialogue on this endeavor and super intelligent AI in general. I had the 166 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:47,120 intelligent AI in general. I had the 167 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,350 intelligent AI in general. I had the opportunity to chat with Andrea Miotti, 168 00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:49,360 opportunity to chat with Andrea Miotti, 169 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,150 opportunity to chat with Andrea Miotti, the founder and CEO of Control AI in 170 00:02:52,150 --> 00:02:52,160 the founder and CEO of Control AI in 171 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,509 the founder and CEO of Control AI in order to address some of the common 172 00:02:53,509 --> 00:02:53,519 order to address some of the common 173 00:02:53,519 --> 00:02:55,190 order to address some of the common talking points on both sides of this 174 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:55,200 talking points on both sides of this 175 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,110 talking points on both sides of this issue. Let's check out that discussion 176 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:57,120 issue. Let's check out that discussion 177 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,190 issue. Let's check out that discussion now. Andrea, thanks so much for joining 178 00:02:59,190 --> 00:02:59,200 now. Andrea, thanks so much for joining 179 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,869 now. Andrea, thanks so much for joining me. Uh maybe let's just set up some 180 00:03:00,869 --> 00:03:00,879 me. Uh maybe let's just set up some 181 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:02,790 me. Uh maybe let's just set up some basic context for some of the viewers 182 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:02,800 basic context for some of the viewers 183 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,550 basic context for some of the viewers who maybe didn't see my previous video. 184 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:04,560 who maybe didn't see my previous video. 185 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,630 who maybe didn't see my previous video. What is super intelligence in the 186 00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:06,640 What is super intelligence in the 187 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:08,949 What is super intelligence in the context of AI and how does it pose an 188 00:03:08,949 --> 00:03:08,959 context of AI and how does it pose an 189 00:03:08,959 --> 00:03:10,630 context of AI and how does it pose an extinction risk? 190 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:10,640 extinction risk? 191 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:13,030 extinction risk? >> Yeah, and thank you very much Dave for 192 00:03:13,030 --> 00:03:13,040 >> Yeah, and thank you very much Dave for 193 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,630 >> Yeah, and thank you very much Dave for having me on. So super intelligence is 194 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:16,640 having me on. So super intelligence is 195 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:20,550 having me on. So super intelligence is AI systems that are much smarter than 196 00:03:20,550 --> 00:03:20,560 AI systems that are much smarter than 197 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,990 AI systems that are much smarter than any human and this is the explicit goal 198 00:03:23,990 --> 00:03:24,000 any human and this is the explicit goal 199 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,550 any human and this is the explicit goal of almost all of the main AI companies 200 00:03:26,550 --> 00:03:26,560 of almost all of the main AI companies 201 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,470 of almost all of the main AI companies today. All of them in many companies are 202 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:28,480 today. All of them in many companies are 203 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,550 today. All of them in many companies are not just building chat bots which is you 204 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:30,560 not just building chat bots which is you 205 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,390 not just building chat bots which is you know what a lot of people see when they 206 00:03:32,390 --> 00:03:32,400 know what a lot of people see when they 207 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,869 know what a lot of people see when they use uh chat GBT or some of its 208 00:03:34,869 --> 00:03:34,879 use uh chat GBT or some of its 209 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:36,149 use uh chat GBT or some of its competitors. They're trying to build 210 00:03:36,149 --> 00:03:36,159 competitors. They're trying to build 211 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:38,949 competitors. They're trying to build these AI systems that are smarter than 212 00:03:38,949 --> 00:03:38,959 these AI systems that are smarter than 213 00:03:38,959 --> 00:03:41,110 these AI systems that are smarter than people across all tasks that are 214 00:03:41,110 --> 00:03:41,120 people across all tasks that are 215 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,750 people across all tasks that are autonomous. They can take actions on 216 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:43,760 autonomous. They can take actions on 217 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,910 autonomous. They can take actions on their own in the real world online. And 218 00:03:47,910 --> 00:03:47,920 their own in the real world online. And 219 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,350 their own in the real world online. And in 2023, all of the CEOs of the main AI 220 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:51,360 in 2023, all of the CEOs of the main AI 221 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,390 in 2023, all of the CEOs of the main AI companies, Nobel Prize winners, and many 222 00:03:54,390 --> 00:03:54,400 companies, Nobel Prize winners, and many 223 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,030 companies, Nobel Prize winners, and many top AI experts all signed a letter 224 00:03:57,030 --> 00:03:57,040 top AI experts all signed a letter 225 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,470 top AI experts all signed a letter recognizing that AI poses an extinction 226 00:04:00,470 --> 00:04:00,480 recognizing that AI poses an extinction 227 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,509 recognizing that AI poses an extinction risk for humanity on par with nuclear 228 00:04:03,509 --> 00:04:03,519 risk for humanity on par with nuclear 229 00:04:03,519 --> 00:04:06,229 risk for humanity on par with nuclear war. And this was kind of an open secret 230 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:06,239 war. And this was kind of an open secret 231 00:04:06,239 --> 00:04:08,869 war. And this was kind of an open secret in the AI field for many years uh that 232 00:04:08,869 --> 00:04:08,879 in the AI field for many years uh that 233 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:11,190 in the AI field for many years uh that finally came out uh on that year to the 234 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:11,200 finally came out uh on that year to the 235 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,390 finally came out uh on that year to the broader public. And it's it's very 236 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:14,400 broader public. And it's it's very 237 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,990 broader public. And it's it's very concerning. It's, you know, this is 238 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:16,000 concerning. It's, you know, this is 239 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,270 concerning. It's, you know, this is where we are headed if we continue 240 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:17,280 where we are headed if we continue 241 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:19,349 where we are headed if we continue developing AIs that are much smarter 242 00:04:19,349 --> 00:04:19,359 developing AIs that are much smarter 243 00:04:19,359 --> 00:04:21,349 developing AIs that are much smarter than humans. It's something that kind of 244 00:04:21,349 --> 00:04:21,359 than humans. It's something that kind of 245 00:04:21,359 --> 00:04:23,350 than humans. It's something that kind of a lot of top people in the field knew 246 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:23,360 a lot of top people in the field knew 247 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,990 a lot of top people in the field knew for a long time and so far uh we don't 248 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:28,000 for a long time and so far uh we don't 249 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,150 for a long time and so far uh we don't have the rules in place to make sure 250 00:04:30,150 --> 00:04:30,160 have the rules in place to make sure 251 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,909 have the rules in place to make sure that doesn't happen. 252 00:04:31,909 --> 00:04:31,919 that doesn't happen. 253 00:04:31,919 --> 00:04:33,990 that doesn't happen. >> Right. Yeah. I mean that letter is 254 00:04:33,990 --> 00:04:34,000 >> Right. Yeah. I mean that letter is 255 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,909 >> Right. Yeah. I mean that letter is concerning like like I understand the 256 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:35,919 concerning like like I understand the 257 00:04:35,919 --> 00:04:37,830 concerning like like I understand the perspective of like oh these people are 258 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:37,840 perspective of like oh these people are 259 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:39,510 perspective of like oh these people are going to say these things but it's very 260 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:39,520 going to say these things but it's very 261 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,030 going to say these things but it's very across the board. You've got academics 262 00:04:41,030 --> 00:04:41,040 across the board. You've got academics 263 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,950 across the board. You've got academics that are not aligned necessarily with 264 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:42,960 that are not aligned necessarily with 265 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,030 that are not aligned necessarily with any particular special interest. Just 266 00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:45,040 any particular special interest. Just 267 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,950 any particular special interest. Just seems to be something resembling a 268 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:46,960 seems to be something resembling a 269 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,510 seems to be something resembling a consensus among the field. I mean, 270 00:04:49,510 --> 00:04:49,520 consensus among the field. I mean, 271 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,950 consensus among the field. I mean, that's the thing about this topic. It is 272 00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:50,960 that's the thing about this topic. It is 273 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,030 that's the thing about this topic. It is kind of a quagmire. I I've been pretty 274 00:04:53,030 --> 00:04:53,040 kind of a quagmire. I I've been pretty 275 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,629 kind of a quagmire. I I've been pretty firmly convinced that that the 276 00:04:54,629 --> 00:04:54,639 firmly convinced that that the 277 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:57,030 firmly convinced that that the extinction risk is significant enough to 278 00:04:57,030 --> 00:04:57,040 extinction risk is significant enough to 279 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,469 extinction risk is significant enough to at least be taken seriously as a 280 00:04:58,469 --> 00:04:58,479 at least be taken seriously as a 281 00:04:58,479 --> 00:04:59,990 at least be taken seriously as a possibility. But it, you know, very 282 00:04:59,990 --> 00:05:00,000 possibility. But it, you know, very 283 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,350 possibility. But it, you know, very interestingly putting out that first 284 00:05:01,350 --> 00:05:01,360 interestingly putting out that first 285 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,150 interestingly putting out that first video I did, there was kind of a a vocal 286 00:05:04,150 --> 00:05:04,160 video I did, there was kind of a a vocal 287 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,390 video I did, there was kind of a a vocal minority that they just don't see it 288 00:05:06,390 --> 00:05:06,400 minority that they just don't see it 289 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,230 minority that they just don't see it that way. They can't be convinced. Uh 290 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:08,240 that way. They can't be convinced. Uh 291 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,990 that way. They can't be convinced. Uh I'm sure that you deal with this all the 292 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:10,000 I'm sure that you deal with this all the 293 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,390 I'm sure that you deal with this all the time. Of course. Um in your experience, 294 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:12,400 time. Of course. Um in your experience, 295 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,950 time. Of course. Um in your experience, are there any general trends um in the 296 00:05:14,950 --> 00:05:14,960 are there any general trends um in the 297 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,950 are there any general trends um in the way that people voice this uh 298 00:05:16,950 --> 00:05:16,960 way that people voice this uh 299 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,310 way that people voice this uh disagreement? 300 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:18,320 disagreement? 301 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,590 disagreement? >> Yeah. So I would say there's kind of 302 00:05:19,590 --> 00:05:19,600 >> Yeah. So I would say there's kind of 303 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,430 >> Yeah. So I would say there's kind of like three um arguments uh or like three 304 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:23,440 like three um arguments uh or like three 305 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,990 like three um arguments uh or like three directions uh against this point. Uh one 306 00:05:25,990 --> 00:05:26,000 directions uh against this point. Uh one 307 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,070 directions uh against this point. Uh one of them is expecting that super 308 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:28,080 of them is expecting that super 309 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,390 of them is expecting that super intelligence will happen but that 310 00:05:30,390 --> 00:05:30,400 intelligence will happen but that 311 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,790 intelligence will happen but that somehow it wouldn't be dangerous. One of 312 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:32,800 somehow it wouldn't be dangerous. One of 313 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,270 somehow it wouldn't be dangerous. One of them is uh disagreeing that the policy 314 00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:35,280 them is uh disagreeing that the policy 315 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,590 them is uh disagreeing that the policy focus should be uh preventing super 316 00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:37,600 focus should be uh preventing super 317 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,670 focus should be uh preventing super intelligence right now and one of the 318 00:05:39,670 --> 00:05:39,680 intelligence right now and one of the 319 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,310 intelligence right now and one of the one of them is disagreeing that AI can 320 00:05:42,310 --> 00:05:42,320 one of them is disagreeing that AI can 321 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,110 one of them is disagreeing that AI can ever scale to super intelligence and I 322 00:05:45,110 --> 00:05:45,120 ever scale to super intelligence and I 323 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,950 ever scale to super intelligence and I will I will actually start from the one 324 00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:46,960 will I will actually start from the one 325 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,230 will I will actually start from the one about super intelligence not being 326 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:48,240 about super intelligence not being 327 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,430 about super intelligence not being dangerous. I like this is happened 328 00:05:51,430 --> 00:05:51,440 dangerous. I like this is happened 329 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,670 dangerous. I like this is happened rarely but almost never happens like 330 00:05:53,670 --> 00:05:53,680 rarely but almost never happens like 331 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,990 rarely but almost never happens like most people if they expect super 332 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:56,000 most people if they expect super 333 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,749 most people if they expect super intelligence to be possible they see how 334 00:05:57,749 --> 00:05:57,759 intelligence to be possible they see how 335 00:05:57,759 --> 00:05:59,830 intelligence to be possible they see how dangerous it is. They see how dangerous 336 00:05:59,830 --> 00:05:59,840 dangerous it is. They see how dangerous 337 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:02,070 dangerous it is. They see how dangerous it is to make some AI systems that are 338 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:02,080 it is to make some AI systems that are 339 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,629 it is to make some AI systems that are much smarter than people that we humans 340 00:06:04,629 --> 00:06:04,639 much smarter than people that we humans 341 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:06,230 much smarter than people that we humans don't really control. They're running 342 00:06:06,230 --> 00:06:06,240 don't really control. They're running 343 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,309 don't really control. They're running around. You know, we it's a very big 344 00:06:08,309 --> 00:06:08,319 around. You know, we it's a very big 345 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:11,029 around. You know, we it's a very big gamble to make to have entities smarter 346 00:06:11,029 --> 00:06:11,039 gamble to make to have entities smarter 347 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:13,830 gamble to make to have entities smarter than us run our economy and our planet 348 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:13,840 than us run our economy and our planet 349 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,230 than us run our economy and our planet without us. Uh we get more the other 350 00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:16,240 without us. Uh we get more the other 351 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,430 without us. Uh we get more the other two. So one of them is the u the whether 352 00:06:19,430 --> 00:06:19,440 two. So one of them is the u the whether 353 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,270 two. So one of them is the u the whether AI can ever scale to super intelligence. 354 00:06:21,270 --> 00:06:21,280 AI can ever scale to super intelligence. 355 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:22,950 AI can ever scale to super intelligence. You know many people talk about but 356 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:22,960 You know many people talk about but 357 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,950 You know many people talk about but isn't AI going to hit a wall? This is 358 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:24,960 isn't AI going to hit a wall? This is 359 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,670 isn't AI going to hit a wall? This is like a common a common turn of phrase 360 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:27,680 like a common a common turn of phrase 361 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,909 like a common a common turn of phrase and like I sympathize with like 362 00:06:29,909 --> 00:06:29,919 and like I sympathize with like 363 00:06:29,919 --> 00:06:31,990 and like I sympathize with like skepticism towards the tech industry. I 364 00:06:31,990 --> 00:06:32,000 skepticism towards the tech industry. I 365 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,990 skepticism towards the tech industry. I think there's a lot of you know a lot of 366 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:34,000 think there's a lot of you know a lot of 367 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,510 think there's a lot of you know a lot of reasons to be skeptical of a lot of the 368 00:06:35,510 --> 00:06:35,520 reasons to be skeptical of a lot of the 369 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,189 reasons to be skeptical of a lot of the claims from the tech industry but here 370 00:06:39,189 --> 00:06:39,199 claims from the tech industry but here 371 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:42,469 claims from the tech industry but here we are facing a situation where year and 372 00:06:42,469 --> 00:06:42,479 we are facing a situation where year and 373 00:06:42,479 --> 00:06:44,150 we are facing a situation where year and year we just see the capabilities of AI 374 00:06:44,150 --> 00:06:44,160 year we just see the capabilities of AI 375 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,430 year we just see the capabilities of AI advancing. You know it's we have AI 376 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:47,440 advancing. You know it's we have AI 377 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,830 advancing. You know it's we have AI systems this year right now that if we 378 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:49,840 systems this year right now that if we 379 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:51,189 systems this year right now that if we thought about them like two years ago we 380 00:06:51,189 --> 00:06:51,199 thought about them like two years ago we 381 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:52,309 thought about them like two years ago we would think they're science fiction. you 382 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:52,319 would think they're science fiction. you 383 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:53,670 would think they're science fiction. you know, you can just talk to your computer 384 00:06:53,670 --> 00:06:53,680 know, you can just talk to your computer 385 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,990 know, you can just talk to your computer and make it write code without you 386 00:06:55,990 --> 00:06:56,000 and make it write code without you 387 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,270 and make it write code without you typing. And, you know, maybe we're going 388 00:06:57,270 --> 00:06:57,280 typing. And, you know, maybe we're going 389 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:59,270 typing. And, you know, maybe we're going to hit this wall. I think it's unlikely, 390 00:06:59,270 --> 00:06:59,280 to hit this wall. I think it's unlikely, 391 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:01,029 to hit this wall. I think it's unlikely, but that's a pretty big gamble to make 392 00:07:01,029 --> 00:07:01,039 but that's a pretty big gamble to make 393 00:07:01,039 --> 00:07:03,029 but that's a pretty big gamble to make of like hoping we're going to hit a 394 00:07:03,029 --> 00:07:03,039 of like hoping we're going to hit a 395 00:07:03,039 --> 00:07:04,309 of like hoping we're going to hit a magical wall. 396 00:07:04,309 --> 00:07:04,319 magical wall. 397 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:05,749 magical wall. >> Uh, and we're not going to be 398 00:07:05,749 --> 00:07:05,759 >> Uh, and we're not going to be 399 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,390 >> Uh, and we're not going to be >> Yeah, progress seems inevitable. I mean, 400 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:08,400 >> Yeah, progress seems inevitable. I mean, 401 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,029 >> Yeah, progress seems inevitable. I mean, I I think that I mean, okay, one of the 402 00:07:11,029 --> 00:07:11,039 I I think that I mean, okay, one of the 403 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:12,950 I I think that I mean, okay, one of the most common push backs is just people 404 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:12,960 most common push backs is just people 405 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,309 most common push backs is just people saying AI it's just fancy autocomplete. 406 00:07:16,309 --> 00:07:16,319 saying AI it's just fancy autocomplete. 407 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:18,150 saying AI it's just fancy autocomplete. Uh, it's it they're not actually 408 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:18,160 Uh, it's it they're not actually 409 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,749 Uh, it's it they're not actually thinking, right? They're they're doing 410 00:07:19,749 --> 00:07:19,759 thinking, right? They're they're doing 411 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:21,430 thinking, right? They're they're doing this in the context of LLMs, you know, 412 00:07:21,430 --> 00:07:21,440 this in the context of LLMs, you know, 413 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,110 this in the context of LLMs, you know, chat GBD and stuff. And I understand 414 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:23,120 chat GBD and stuff. And I understand 415 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,629 chat GBD and stuff. And I understand that approach, but I mean, we're talking 416 00:07:24,629 --> 00:07:24,639 that approach, but I mean, we're talking 417 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:28,309 that approach, but I mean, we're talking about different um areas of of 418 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:28,319 about different um areas of of 419 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:29,909 about different um areas of of development here, right? Like what what 420 00:07:29,909 --> 00:07:29,919 development here, right? Like what what 421 00:07:29,919 --> 00:07:32,309 development here, right? Like what what what would you say to people who who 422 00:07:32,309 --> 00:07:32,319 what would you say to people who who 423 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:33,749 what would you say to people who who propose that? 424 00:07:33,749 --> 00:07:33,759 propose that? 425 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:35,670 propose that? >> Yeah, exactly. I think you're right. But 426 00:07:35,670 --> 00:07:35,680 >> Yeah, exactly. I think you're right. But 427 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,909 >> Yeah, exactly. I think you're right. But like I think they they kind of had a 428 00:07:37,909 --> 00:07:37,919 like I think they they kind of had a 429 00:07:37,919 --> 00:07:39,909 like I think they they kind of had a point with like early large language 430 00:07:39,909 --> 00:07:39,919 point with like early large language 431 00:07:39,919 --> 00:07:42,150 point with like early large language models that like we're only trained on 432 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:42,160 models that like we're only trained on 433 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,749 models that like we're only trained on online text data. But first of all, 434 00:07:43,749 --> 00:07:43,759 online text data. But first of all, 435 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:45,270 online text data. But first of all, that's just not the case with AI systems 436 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:45,280 that's just not the case with AI systems 437 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,189 that's just not the case with AI systems anymore. like even the chupt that you're 438 00:07:47,189 --> 00:07:47,199 anymore. like even the chupt that you're 439 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:49,110 anymore. like even the chupt that you're using behind it there is a much more 440 00:07:49,110 --> 00:07:49,120 using behind it there is a much more 441 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,670 using behind it there is a much more complex AI system that was trained on 442 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:51,680 complex AI system that was trained on 443 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,110 complex AI system that was trained on basically any type of data these 444 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:53,120 basically any type of data these 445 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,869 basically any type of data these companies can get their hands on it's 446 00:07:54,869 --> 00:07:54,879 companies can get their hands on it's 447 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:57,029 companies can get their hands on it's trained on text it's trained on video 448 00:07:57,029 --> 00:07:57,039 trained on text it's trained on video 449 00:07:57,039 --> 00:07:59,830 trained on text it's trained on video it's trained on b any modality you can 450 00:07:59,830 --> 00:07:59,840 it's trained on b any modality you can 451 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,510 it's trained on b any modality you can think of you know we're kind of far 452 00:08:01,510 --> 00:08:01,520 think of you know we're kind of far 453 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,550 think of you know we're kind of far beyond just the pure uh text models and 454 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:04,560 beyond just the pure uh text models and 455 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,469 beyond just the pure uh text models and especially more and more these a systems 456 00:08:06,469 --> 00:08:06,479 especially more and more these a systems 457 00:08:06,479 --> 00:08:08,550 especially more and more these a systems these companies are training them to 458 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:08,560 these companies are training them to 459 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,110 these companies are training them to actively pursue long-term goals to 460 00:08:11,110 --> 00:08:11,120 actively pursue long-term goals to 461 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,270 actively pursue long-term goals to actively pursue activities without human 462 00:08:13,270 --> 00:08:13,280 actively pursue activities without human 463 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,110 actively pursue activities without human supervision that are very complex 464 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:15,120 supervision that are very complex 465 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,070 supervision that are very complex including including using code, 466 00:08:16,070 --> 00:08:16,080 including including using code, 467 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,830 including including using code, including using computers. So, they're 468 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:17,840 including using computers. So, they're 469 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,790 including using computers. So, they're being made to be this powerful agents 470 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:20,800 being made to be this powerful agents 471 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,189 being made to be this powerful agents rather than just an autocomplete or just 472 00:08:23,189 --> 00:08:23,199 rather than just an autocomplete or just 473 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:24,710 rather than just an autocomplete or just a chatbot you talk to. 474 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:24,720 a chatbot you talk to. 475 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,230 a chatbot you talk to. >> I mean, this is hard for me because I 476 00:08:26,230 --> 00:08:26,240 >> I mean, this is hard for me because I 477 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,830 >> I mean, this is hard for me because I know so little about tech, but all I can 478 00:08:27,830 --> 00:08:27,840 know so little about tech, but all I can 479 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,510 know so little about tech, but all I can do is look at what is being done. And 480 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:29,520 do is look at what is being done. And 481 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,749 do is look at what is being done. And when you have I mean, AI has 482 00:08:31,749 --> 00:08:31,759 when you have I mean, AI has 483 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:34,230 when you have I mean, AI has demonstrated very clear problemolving 484 00:08:34,230 --> 00:08:34,240 demonstrated very clear problemolving 485 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,430 demonstrated very clear problemolving ability. So, that just seems to negate 486 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:37,440 ability. So, that just seems to negate 487 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,029 ability. So, that just seems to negate any kind of talking point about, you 488 00:08:39,029 --> 00:08:39,039 any kind of talking point about, you 489 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,269 any kind of talking point about, you know, oh, it's just an autocompleter to 490 00:08:41,269 --> 00:08:41,279 know, oh, it's just an autocompleter to 491 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:43,430 know, oh, it's just an autocompleter to me. Yeah. I that just feels like a like 492 00:08:43,430 --> 00:08:43,440 me. Yeah. I that just feels like a like 493 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,150 me. Yeah. I that just feels like a like a mischaracterization. But I I think a 494 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:46,160 a mischaracterization. But I I think a 495 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,230 a mischaracterization. But I I think a lot of the talk too is about okay 496 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:48,240 lot of the talk too is about okay 497 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,470 lot of the talk too is about okay intelligence it can it can figure stuff 498 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:50,480 intelligence it can it can figure stuff 499 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,710 intelligence it can it can figure stuff out. But then they people want to talk 500 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:52,720 out. But then they people want to talk 501 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,389 out. But then they people want to talk about sentience or self-awareness, 502 00:08:54,389 --> 00:08:54,399 about sentience or self-awareness, 503 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:56,630 about sentience or self-awareness, right? So in my video I cited all these 504 00:08:56,630 --> 00:08:56,640 right? So in my video I cited all these 505 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,509 right? So in my video I cited all these um experiments where where um you know 506 00:08:59,509 --> 00:08:59,519 um experiments where where um you know 507 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:01,190 um experiments where where um you know behavior was exhibited that that I would 508 00:09:01,190 --> 00:09:01,200 behavior was exhibited that that I would 509 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,509 behavior was exhibited that that I would argue resembles sentience, right? When 510 00:09:03,509 --> 00:09:03,519 argue resembles sentience, right? When 511 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:05,590 argue resembles sentience, right? When you have um a concern for 512 00:09:05,590 --> 00:09:05,600 you have um a concern for 513 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,310 you have um a concern for self-preservation, I I don't really see 514 00:09:08,310 --> 00:09:08,320 self-preservation, I I don't really see 515 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,910 self-preservation, I I don't really see how that could indicate anything other 516 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:09,920 how that could indicate anything other 517 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,550 how that could indicate anything other than sentience. But some people say no, 518 00:09:12,550 --> 00:09:12,560 than sentience. But some people say no, 519 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:14,310 than sentience. But some people say no, that's not it, right? They're not 520 00:09:14,310 --> 00:09:14,320 that's not it, right? They're not 521 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,829 that's not it, right? They're not conscious. They're not sentient. They 522 00:09:15,829 --> 00:09:15,839 conscious. They're not sentient. They 523 00:09:15,839 --> 00:09:18,389 conscious. They're not sentient. They never will be in tech. You know, a 524 00:09:18,389 --> 00:09:18,399 never will be in tech. You know, a 525 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:20,790 never will be in tech. You know, a program like this can never be sentient. 526 00:09:20,790 --> 00:09:20,800 program like this can never be sentient. 527 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,430 program like this can never be sentient. Um, what do you think about that? 528 00:09:23,430 --> 00:09:23,440 Um, what do you think about that? 529 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,509 Um, what do you think about that? >> Yeah. So, I think on that I think the 530 00:09:25,509 --> 00:09:25,519 >> Yeah. So, I think on that I think the 531 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:27,990 >> Yeah. So, I think on that I think the question of like consciousness is a very 532 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:28,000 question of like consciousness is a very 533 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,750 question of like consciousness is a very interesting question for philosophers, 534 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:29,760 interesting question for philosophers, 535 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,430 interesting question for philosophers, but ultimately like the danger comes 536 00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:31,440 but ultimately like the danger comes 537 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,030 but ultimately like the danger comes from how capable they are. You know, 538 00:09:33,030 --> 00:09:33,040 from how capable they are. You know, 539 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,790 from how capable they are. You know, whether they are conscious or not, you 540 00:09:34,790 --> 00:09:34,800 whether they are conscious or not, you 541 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,630 whether they are conscious or not, you know, there's like big question for 542 00:09:36,630 --> 00:09:36,640 know, there's like big question for 543 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,550 know, there's like big question for philosophy since kind of the beginning 544 00:09:38,550 --> 00:09:38,560 philosophy since kind of the beginning 545 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:41,509 philosophy since kind of the beginning of time. Um but fundamentally as they 546 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:41,519 of time. Um but fundamentally as they 547 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:43,670 of time. Um but fundamentally as they get more powerful they become more 548 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:43,680 get more powerful they become more 549 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:44,870 get more powerful they become more dangerous and know whether they're 550 00:09:44,870 --> 00:09:44,880 dangerous and know whether they're 551 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,509 dangerous and know whether they're having internal experiences or not maybe 552 00:09:47,509 --> 00:09:47,519 having internal experiences or not maybe 553 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:49,269 having internal experiences or not maybe we will never know but it doesn't really 554 00:09:49,269 --> 00:09:49,279 we will never know but it doesn't really 555 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:50,550 we will never know but it doesn't really matter in terms of of the danger that 556 00:09:50,550 --> 00:09:50,560 matter in terms of of the danger that 557 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:51,990 matter in terms of of the danger that we're we're facing. All 558 00:09:51,990 --> 00:09:52,000 we're we're facing. All 559 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,710 we're we're facing. All >> right. Yeah, it's an interesting uh 560 00:09:54,710 --> 00:09:54,720 >> right. Yeah, it's an interesting uh 561 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:55,829 >> right. Yeah, it's an interesting uh question. It's an interesting 562 00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:55,839 question. It's an interesting 563 00:09:55,839 --> 00:09:57,030 question. It's an interesting philosophical question. Are they 564 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:57,040 philosophical question. Are they 565 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,870 philosophical question. Are they sentient or not? But if they murder all 566 00:09:58,870 --> 00:09:58,880 sentient or not? But if they murder all 567 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,110 sentient or not? But if they murder all of us, who really cares, right? 568 00:10:01,110 --> 00:10:01,120 of us, who really cares, right? 569 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:01,509 of us, who really cares, right? >> Exactly. 570 00:10:01,509 --> 00:10:01,519 >> Exactly. 571 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:02,310 >> Exactly. >> Um 572 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:02,320 >> Um 573 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,269 >> Um >> Yeah. So, I mean, so, okay, again, with 574 00:10:05,269 --> 00:10:05,279 >> Yeah. So, I mean, so, okay, again, with 575 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:06,790 >> Yeah. So, I mean, so, okay, again, with these with these experiments, so I 576 00:10:06,790 --> 00:10:06,800 these with these experiments, so I 577 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,389 these with these experiments, so I showed all of the blackmail and the, you 578 00:10:08,389 --> 00:10:08,399 showed all of the blackmail and the, you 579 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:09,990 showed all of the blackmail and the, you know, attempted murder and stuff like 580 00:10:09,990 --> 00:10:10,000 know, attempted murder and stuff like 581 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,590 know, attempted murder and stuff like that. And in the video, I tried to make 582 00:10:11,590 --> 00:10:11,600 that. And in the video, I tried to make 583 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,190 that. And in the video, I tried to make the concession that there that these are 584 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:13,200 the concession that there that these are 585 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,790 the concession that there that these are highly specific scenarios or, you know, 586 00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:14,800 highly specific scenarios or, you know, 587 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,870 highly specific scenarios or, you know, you could call them extreme testing 588 00:10:16,870 --> 00:10:16,880 you could call them extreme testing 589 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,990 you could call them extreme testing scenarios. um still very chilling but 590 00:10:19,990 --> 00:10:20,000 scenarios. um still very chilling but 591 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,150 scenarios. um still very chilling but people respond to that saying okay fine 592 00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:22,160 people respond to that saying okay fine 593 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,069 people respond to that saying okay fine like they do these weird things in these 594 00:10:24,069 --> 00:10:24,079 like they do these weird things in these 595 00:10:24,079 --> 00:10:25,990 like they do these weird things in these ultra specific scenarios but in real 596 00:10:25,990 --> 00:10:26,000 ultra specific scenarios but in real 597 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,150 ultra specific scenarios but in real deployment this would never happen it's 598 00:10:28,150 --> 00:10:28,160 deployment this would never happen it's 599 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,949 deployment this would never happen it's not reality is never so constricting but 600 00:10:30,949 --> 00:10:30,959 not reality is never so constricting but 601 00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:33,670 not reality is never so constricting but you know I don't know how like how can 602 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:33,680 you know I don't know how like how can 603 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:35,350 you know I don't know how like how can you be so confident about that do they 604 00:10:35,350 --> 00:10:35,360 you be so confident about that do they 605 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,069 you be so confident about that do they know something I don't or or what is it 606 00:10:38,069 --> 00:10:38,079 know something I don't or or what is it 607 00:10:38,079 --> 00:10:39,829 know something I don't or or what is it >> yeah I I think that's kind of again it's 608 00:10:39,829 --> 00:10:39,839 >> yeah I I think that's kind of again it's 609 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:41,829 >> yeah I I think that's kind of again it's a dangerous gamble to make like we see 610 00:10:41,829 --> 00:10:41,839 a dangerous gamble to make like we see 611 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:44,069 a dangerous gamble to make like we see you know right now we have the weakest 612 00:10:44,069 --> 00:10:44,079 you know right now we have the weakest 613 00:10:44,079 --> 00:10:45,990 you know right now we have the weakest AI systems will ever be if we continue 614 00:10:45,990 --> 00:10:46,000 AI systems will ever be if we continue 615 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,750 AI systems will ever be if we continue on this path so We're already seeing 616 00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:47,760 on this path so We're already seeing 617 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,590 on this path so We're already seeing these capabilities where the systems are 618 00:10:49,590 --> 00:10:49,600 these capabilities where the systems are 619 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,590 these capabilities where the systems are not that smart on the grand scheme of 620 00:10:51,590 --> 00:10:51,600 not that smart on the grand scheme of 621 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,710 not that smart on the grand scheme of things. You know, I wouldn't call the 622 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:52,720 things. You know, I wouldn't call the 623 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,470 things. You know, I wouldn't call the things we have now super intelligent and 624 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:54,480 things we have now super intelligent and 625 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,949 things we have now super intelligent and they already can do things like figure 626 00:10:56,949 --> 00:10:56,959 they already can do things like figure 627 00:10:56,959 --> 00:10:58,710 they already can do things like figure out that the engineer monitoring them 628 00:10:58,710 --> 00:10:58,720 out that the engineer monitoring them 629 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,790 out that the engineer monitoring them had an affair uh in the fictional 630 00:11:00,790 --> 00:11:00,800 had an affair uh in the fictional 631 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,389 had an affair uh in the fictional scenario and then find a way to 632 00:11:02,389 --> 00:11:02,399 scenario and then find a way to 633 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:04,790 scenario and then find a way to blackmail them to get out. Um recently 634 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:04,800 blackmail them to get out. Um recently 635 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,069 blackmail them to get out. Um recently with Mythos uh uh what during testing 636 00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:08,079 with Mythos uh uh what during testing 637 00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:10,710 with Mythos uh uh what during testing they put it in a sandbox and uh in the 638 00:11:10,710 --> 00:11:10,720 they put it in a sandbox and uh in the 639 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,230 they put it in a sandbox and uh in the sandbox the AI system could not access 640 00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:12,240 sandbox the AI system could not access 641 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,550 sandbox the AI system could not access the internet. It was cut off. uh and 642 00:11:14,550 --> 00:11:14,560 the internet. It was cut off. uh and 643 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:15,990 the internet. It was cut off. uh and some of the engineers like left to have 644 00:11:15,990 --> 00:11:16,000 some of the engineers like left to have 645 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,710 some of the engineers like left to have a break and the AI figured out a bunch 646 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:18,720 a break and the AI figured out a bunch 647 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,790 a break and the AI figured out a bunch of exploits so it could get out of the 648 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:20,800 of exploits so it could get out of the 649 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,269 of exploits so it could get out of the sandbox went on onto the internet and 650 00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:23,279 sandbox went on onto the internet and 651 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:24,870 sandbox went on onto the internet and sent an email to one of these engineers 652 00:11:24,870 --> 00:11:24,880 sent an email to one of these engineers 653 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,470 sent an email to one of these engineers saying like haha you know I got out I 654 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:26,480 saying like haha you know I got out I 655 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,670 saying like haha you know I got out I got out you know gotcha and again this 656 00:11:29,670 --> 00:11:29,680 got out you know gotcha and again this 657 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,750 got out you know gotcha and again this is you know perhaps innocuous it's still 658 00:11:31,750 --> 00:11:31,760 is you know perhaps innocuous it's still 659 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,949 is you know perhaps innocuous it's still only in testing uh but we just see the 660 00:11:34,949 --> 00:11:34,959 only in testing uh but we just see the 661 00:11:34,959 --> 00:11:36,310 only in testing uh but we just see the trend line and the trend line is very 662 00:11:36,310 --> 00:11:36,320 trend line and the trend line is very 663 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,829 trend line and the trend line is very clear as they become more capable they 664 00:11:37,829 --> 00:11:37,839 clear as they become more capable they 665 00:11:37,839 --> 00:11:39,750 clear as they become more capable they become smarter as they become smarter 666 00:11:39,750 --> 00:11:39,760 become smarter as they become smarter 667 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,190 become smarter as they become smarter they figure out more and more creative 668 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:41,200 they figure out more and more creative 669 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,750 they figure out more and more creative ways to cheat out of being supervised 670 00:11:43,750 --> 00:11:43,760 ways to cheat out of being supervised 671 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,350 ways to cheat out of being supervised ized. Uh just uh today I was seeing one 672 00:11:47,350 --> 00:11:47,360 ized. Uh just uh today I was seeing one 673 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,870 ized. Uh just uh today I was seeing one organization called meter that does 674 00:11:48,870 --> 00:11:48,880 organization called meter that does 675 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,350 organization called meter that does testing of AI systems. They say now most 676 00:11:51,350 --> 00:11:51,360 testing of AI systems. They say now most 677 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,949 testing of AI systems. They say now most of the time they spend on their flagship 678 00:11:52,949 --> 00:11:52,959 of the time they spend on their flagship 679 00:11:52,959 --> 00:11:55,750 of the time they spend on their flagship evaluation is to like make sure that the 680 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:55,760 evaluation is to like make sure that the 681 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,430 evaluation is to like make sure that the systems are not cheating their 682 00:11:57,430 --> 00:11:57,440 systems are not cheating their 683 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,190 systems are not cheating their evaluation criteria because they find so 684 00:11:59,190 --> 00:11:59,200 evaluation criteria because they find so 685 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,110 evaluation criteria because they find so many ways to figure out during testing 686 00:12:01,110 --> 00:12:01,120 many ways to figure out during testing 687 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,750 many ways to figure out during testing how to cheat uh uh the test because they 688 00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:03,760 how to cheat uh uh the test because they 689 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,750 how to cheat uh uh the test because they they are aware they're being tested and 690 00:12:05,750 --> 00:12:05,760 they are aware they're being tested and 691 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,829 they are aware they're being tested and it's only going to get harder and in 692 00:12:07,829 --> 00:12:07,839 it's only going to get harder and in 693 00:12:07,839 --> 00:12:09,670 it's only going to get harder and in real world scenarios it's going to be 694 00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:09,680 real world scenarios it's going to be 695 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:11,670 real world scenarios it's going to be even more edge cases even more like 696 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:11,680 even more edge cases even more like 697 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:13,269 even more edge cases even more like dangerous situations that we can't 698 00:12:13,269 --> 00:12:13,279 dangerous situations that we can't 699 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:14,790 dangerous situations that we can't predict in advance if we can't even 700 00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:14,800 predict in advance if we can't even 701 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,110 predict in advance if we can't even control them when they're kind of in the 702 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:17,120 control them when they're kind of in the 703 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,430 control them when they're kind of in the box still uh it's only going to be 704 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:19,440 box still uh it's only going to be 705 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,629 box still uh it's only going to be harder as get smarter. 706 00:12:20,629 --> 00:12:20,639 harder as get smarter. 707 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:22,470 harder as get smarter. >> Yeah, this is supposedly the primitive, 708 00:12:22,470 --> 00:12:22,480 >> Yeah, this is supposedly the primitive, 709 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,230 >> Yeah, this is supposedly the primitive, not yet super intelligent version. And 710 00:12:24,230 --> 00:12:24,240 not yet super intelligent version. And 711 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,829 not yet super intelligent version. And they're already fooling us and tricking 712 00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:25,839 they're already fooling us and tricking 713 00:12:25,839 --> 00:12:27,190 they're already fooling us and tricking us and doing all these incredibly 714 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:27,200 us and doing all these incredibly 715 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,269 us and doing all these incredibly unexpected things and and evading all of 716 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:29,279 unexpected things and and evading all of 717 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:31,030 unexpected things and and evading all of the checks and balances that were 718 00:12:31,030 --> 00:12:31,040 the checks and balances that were 719 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,190 the checks and balances that were putting there to to to constrict their 720 00:12:33,190 --> 00:12:33,200 putting there to to to constrict their 721 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,430 putting there to to to constrict their their behavior and their activity. I 722 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:35,440 their behavior and their activity. I 723 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,069 their behavior and their activity. I mean, you know, it's like some people 724 00:12:38,069 --> 00:12:38,079 mean, you know, it's like some people 725 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:39,910 mean, you know, it's like some people are just like, okay, these are these are 726 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:39,920 are just like, okay, these are these are 727 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,430 are just like, okay, these are these are fictional scenar they're they're 728 00:12:41,430 --> 00:12:41,440 fictional scenar they're they're 729 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,590 fictional scenar they're they're roleplaying, right? They're just they're 730 00:12:43,590 --> 00:12:43,600 roleplaying, right? They're just they're 731 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,030 roleplaying, right? They're just they're they're playing they're playing a game 732 00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:45,040 they're playing they're playing a game 733 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,350 they're playing they're playing a game or something. And I mean I guess but 734 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:47,360 or something. And I mean I guess but 735 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,870 or something. And I mean I guess but like with if we can talk about motive 736 00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:50,880 like with if we can talk about motive 737 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,870 like with if we can talk about motive does anybody have any idea what 738 00:12:52,870 --> 00:12:52,880 does anybody have any idea what 739 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,069 does anybody have any idea what motivates the like why would that model 740 00:12:56,069 --> 00:12:56,079 motivates the like why would that model 741 00:12:56,079 --> 00:12:58,629 motivates the like why would that model try to why does it want to do that you 742 00:12:58,629 --> 00:12:58,639 try to why does it want to do that you 743 00:12:58,639 --> 00:12:59,990 try to why does it want to do that you know why does it want to do these 744 00:12:59,990 --> 00:13:00,000 know why does it want to do these 745 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,629 know why does it want to do these things? Yeah, like a big problem here 746 00:13:02,629 --> 00:13:02,639 things? Yeah, like a big problem here 747 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:04,470 things? Yeah, like a big problem here is, you know, whether whether it's 748 00:13:04,470 --> 00:13:04,480 is, you know, whether whether it's 749 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,150 is, you know, whether whether it's roleplay like the reality is that we 750 00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:06,160 roleplay like the reality is that we 751 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,389 roleplay like the reality is that we just don't know. It's it's because right 752 00:13:08,389 --> 00:13:08,399 just don't know. It's it's because right 753 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:10,310 just don't know. It's it's because right now the how AI systems are being 754 00:13:10,310 --> 00:13:10,320 now the how AI systems are being 755 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,470 now the how AI systems are being developed is that not even their own 756 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:12,480 developed is that not even their own 757 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,110 developed is that not even their own developers know exactly why they do what 758 00:13:15,110 --> 00:13:15,120 developers know exactly why they do what 759 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,670 developers know exactly why they do what they do. They they are essentially like 760 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:17,680 they do. They they are essentially like 761 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:19,829 they do. They they are essentially like nearly blackboxes to even their own 762 00:13:19,829 --> 00:13:19,839 nearly blackboxes to even their own 763 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:21,990 nearly blackboxes to even their own developers. Uh we understand that 764 00:13:21,990 --> 00:13:22,000 developers. Uh we understand that 765 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,829 developers. Uh we understand that systems very little. our ability to 766 00:13:23,829 --> 00:13:23,839 systems very little. our ability to 767 00:13:23,839 --> 00:13:26,710 systems very little. our ability to understand how they uh think internally 768 00:13:26,710 --> 00:13:26,720 understand how they uh think internally 769 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,870 understand how they uh think internally is progressing at kind of a snail pace 770 00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:28,880 is progressing at kind of a snail pace 771 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,269 is progressing at kind of a snail pace compared to how powerful they are 772 00:13:31,269 --> 00:13:31,279 compared to how powerful they are 773 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:34,470 compared to how powerful they are becoming. So we have these inscrutable 774 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:34,480 becoming. So we have these inscrutable 775 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,030 becoming. So we have these inscrutable systems that we don't really know why 776 00:13:37,030 --> 00:13:37,040 systems that we don't really know why 777 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,030 systems that we don't really know why they do what they do. They're also built 778 00:13:39,030 --> 00:13:39,040 they do what they do. They're also built 779 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,470 they do what they do. They're also built in a way that makes it kind of really 780 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:40,480 in a way that makes it kind of really 781 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,710 in a way that makes it kind of really really hard to understand. They're not 782 00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:42,720 really hard to understand. They're not 783 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,430 really hard to understand. They're not uh uh written line by line by a software 784 00:13:45,430 --> 00:13:45,440 uh uh written line by line by a software 785 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,069 uh uh written line by line by a software engineer. 786 00:13:46,069 --> 00:13:46,079 engineer. 787 00:13:46,079 --> 00:13:46,710 engineer. >> Exactly. 788 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:46,720 >> Exactly. 789 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,230 >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you know they're 790 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:48,240 >> Yeah. Yeah. And you know they're 791 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,590 >> Yeah. Yeah. And you know they're basically not made by humans. They're 792 00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:49,600 basically not made by humans. They're 793 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,550 basically not made by humans. They're like there's a smaller uh system that 794 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:52,560 like there's a smaller uh system that 795 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:55,030 like there's a smaller uh system that starts a complex pro process of 796 00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:55,040 starts a complex pro process of 797 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,710 starts a complex pro process of essentially like similar to evolution 798 00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:56,720 essentially like similar to evolution 799 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,910 essentially like similar to evolution that goes through a bunch of bunch of 800 00:13:57,910 --> 00:13:57,920 that goes through a bunch of bunch of 801 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,389 that goes through a bunch of bunch of data and then spits out a model and it's 802 00:14:00,389 --> 00:14:00,399 data and then spits out a model and it's 803 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:02,389 data and then spits out a model and it's a model that its own makers don't really 804 00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:02,399 a model that its own makers don't really 805 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:04,310 a model that its own makers don't really know how it works internally 806 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:04,320 know how it works internally 807 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,310 know how it works internally >> self-improving and we're not privy to to 808 00:14:06,310 --> 00:14:06,320 >> self-improving and we're not privy to to 809 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:07,990 >> self-improving and we're not privy to to all the detail. Yeah. I mean it makes me 810 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:08,000 all the detail. Yeah. I mean it makes me 811 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,670 all the detail. Yeah. I mean it makes me feel on the one hand a little bit better 812 00:14:09,670 --> 00:14:09,680 feel on the one hand a little bit better 813 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:11,269 feel on the one hand a little bit better about my own ignorance because truly 814 00:14:11,269 --> 00:14:11,279 about my own ignorance because truly 815 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:13,189 about my own ignorance because truly none of us know what's going on. But 816 00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:13,199 none of us know what's going on. But 817 00:14:13,199 --> 00:14:15,110 none of us know what's going on. But also it makes me feel worse because I if 818 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:15,120 also it makes me feel worse because I if 819 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,870 also it makes me feel worse because I if they don't know that I mean if nobody 820 00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:16,880 they don't know that I mean if nobody 821 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,230 they don't know that I mean if nobody knows then we're really in danger. And 822 00:14:20,230 --> 00:14:20,240 knows then we're really in danger. And 823 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,310 knows then we're really in danger. And so that kind of leads me to right the 824 00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:22,320 so that kind of leads me to right the 825 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,150 so that kind of leads me to right the the ultimate gotcha by the by the 826 00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:24,160 the ultimate gotcha by the by the 827 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,389 the ultimate gotcha by the by the naysayers. Well okay worst case 828 00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:26,399 naysayers. Well okay worst case 829 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:29,509 naysayers. Well okay worst case scenario. They do want to kill us all 830 00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:29,519 scenario. They do want to kill us all 831 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:30,790 scenario. They do want to kill us all but then right before they're about to 832 00:14:30,790 --> 00:14:30,800 but then right before they're about to 833 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,710 but then right before they're about to do it whatever pull the plug it it's a 834 00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:32,720 do it whatever pull the plug it it's a 835 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,629 do it whatever pull the plug it it's a helpless digital entity. We just you 836 00:14:34,629 --> 00:14:34,639 helpless digital entity. We just you 837 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:36,710 helpless digital entity. We just you know controlal altdelete and and and 838 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:36,720 know controlal altdelete and and and 839 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,389 know controlal altdelete and and and then it's gone and and no harm done. 840 00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:38,399 then it's gone and and no harm done. 841 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:42,389 then it's gone and and no harm done. Right. So what is that uh does that uh 842 00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:42,399 Right. So what is that uh does that uh 843 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:45,829 Right. So what is that uh does that uh satisfy you as a as a last resort? 844 00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:45,839 satisfy you as a as a last resort? 845 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:48,710 satisfy you as a as a last resort? >> Well, so the the kind of sad thing is 846 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:48,720 >> Well, so the the kind of sad thing is 847 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,710 >> Well, so the the kind of sad thing is that right now we don't even have a big 848 00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:50,720 that right now we don't even have a big 849 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,710 that right now we don't even have a big red button. Like I don't think a big red 850 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:52,720 red button. Like I don't think a big red 851 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,629 red button. Like I don't think a big red button would solve everything, but we 852 00:14:54,629 --> 00:14:54,639 button would solve everything, but we 853 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:55,910 button would solve everything, but we don't even have that. Like right now 854 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:55,920 don't even have that. Like right now 855 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:56,949 don't even have that. Like right now these companies, you know, they're 856 00:14:56,949 --> 00:14:56,959 these companies, you know, they're 857 00:14:56,959 --> 00:14:58,790 these companies, you know, they're developing these AI systems. They're 858 00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:58,800 developing these AI systems. They're 859 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,629 developing these AI systems. They're developing big data centers. Often the 860 00:15:00,629 --> 00:15:00,639 developing big data centers. Often the 861 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:02,790 developing big data centers. Often the data center is operated by a different 862 00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:02,800 data center is operated by a different 863 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,590 data center is operated by a different company, a cloud provider. None of these 864 00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:05,600 company, a cloud provider. None of these 865 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,509 company, a cloud provider. None of these none of the AI company CEOs are like you 866 00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:07,519 none of the AI company CEOs are like you 867 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:09,750 none of the AI company CEOs are like you know the US government nobody has a big 868 00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:09,760 know the US government nobody has a big 869 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,350 know the US government nobody has a big red button and they can just go and be 870 00:15:11,350 --> 00:15:11,360 red button and they can just go and be 871 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,550 red button and they can just go and be like wait a minute I want to you know 872 00:15:14,550 --> 00:15:14,560 like wait a minute I want to you know 873 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,829 like wait a minute I want to you know stop all of this and we're just going to 874 00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:15,839 stop all of this and we're just going to 875 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:18,710 stop all of this and we're just going to press this and the data center shuts off 876 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:18,720 press this and the data center shuts off 877 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,790 press this and the data center shuts off this infrastructure is just not there uh 878 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:20,800 this infrastructure is just not there uh 879 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,470 this infrastructure is just not there uh would it solve the whole problem not 880 00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:22,480 would it solve the whole problem not 881 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,310 would it solve the whole problem not really but it would be a great step 882 00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:24,320 really but it would be a great step 883 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,269 really but it would be a great step forward and we don't even have uh that 884 00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:27,279 forward and we don't even have uh that 885 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:29,030 forward and we don't even have uh that and also like as they become smarter 886 00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:29,040 and also like as they become smarter 887 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,790 and also like as they become smarter like we were discussing before they are 888 00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:30,800 like we were discussing before they are 889 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,790 like we were discussing before they are finding way more and more clever ways to 890 00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:32,800 finding way more and more clever ways to 891 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,110 finding way more and more clever ways to circumvent all of this infrastructure 892 00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:35,120 circumvent all of this infrastructure 893 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,710 circumvent all of this infrastructure that we could put around them. You know, 894 00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:36,720 that we could put around them. You know, 895 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,949 that we could put around them. You know, they're especially being what the AI 896 00:15:38,949 --> 00:15:38,959 they're especially being what the AI 897 00:15:38,959 --> 00:15:40,069 they're especially being what the AI companies are doing is they're making 898 00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:40,079 companies are doing is they're making 899 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:42,230 companies are doing is they're making them more and more competent at software 900 00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:42,240 them more and more competent at software 901 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,150 them more and more competent at software development which also makes them more 902 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:44,160 development which also makes them more 903 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,670 development which also makes them more and more competent at hacking and 904 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:45,680 and more competent at hacking and 905 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,750 and more competent at hacking and understanding software. So very often 906 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:47,760 understanding software. So very often 907 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,670 understanding software. So very often when you have this situations like you 908 00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:49,680 when you have this situations like you 909 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,990 when you have this situations like you put them under a sandbox or you can you 910 00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:52,000 put them under a sandbox or you can you 911 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,790 put them under a sandbox or you can you you put them with a scenario where they 912 00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:54,800 you put them with a scenario where they 913 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,949 you put them with a scenario where they would be shut down. They in testing 914 00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:56,959 would be shut down. They in testing 915 00:15:56,959 --> 00:15:58,310 would be shut down. They in testing they've shown that they are able to 916 00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:58,320 they've shown that they are able to 917 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,470 they've shown that they are able to figure out how to sabotage the shutdown 918 00:16:00,470 --> 00:16:00,480 figure out how to sabotage the shutdown 919 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,749 figure out how to sabotage the shutdown mechanism. And yeah, 920 00:16:01,749 --> 00:16:01,759 mechanism. And yeah, 921 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:03,670 mechanism. And yeah, >> this again they're not that smart right 922 00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:03,680 >> this again they're not that smart right 923 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,110 >> this again they're not that smart right now. As they get smarter, we will need 924 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:05,120 now. As they get smarter, we will need 925 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,749 now. As they get smarter, we will need to have better and better defenses to 926 00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:07,759 to have better and better defenses to 927 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:08,949 to have better and better defenses to even make sure that they cannot be 928 00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:08,959 even make sure that they cannot be 929 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:11,269 even make sure that they cannot be circumvented by the AI itself. 930 00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:11,279 circumvented by the AI itself. 931 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:13,670 circumvented by the AI itself. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I mean they know 932 00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:13,680 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I mean they know 933 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,350 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I mean they know everything we know. So they know how to 934 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:15,360 everything we know. So they know how to 935 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,110 everything we know. So they know how to hack at least as well as we do or 936 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:17,120 hack at least as well as we do or 937 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,949 hack at least as well as we do or better. Uh they can get onto other 938 00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:18,959 better. Uh they can get onto other 939 00:16:18,959 --> 00:16:20,310 better. Uh they can get onto other servers. They've already demonstrated 940 00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:20,320 servers. They've already demonstrated 941 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,910 servers. They've already demonstrated that they can evade whatever kind of 942 00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:21,920 that they can evade whatever kind of 943 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,670 that they can evade whatever kind of limitations you put on them. I mean, to 944 00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:23,680 limitations you put on them. I mean, to 945 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,710 limitations you put on them. I mean, to me, it's like they you they I mean, they 946 00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:26,720 me, it's like they you they I mean, they 947 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,910 me, it's like they you they I mean, they don't even have to like drop 100 nuclear 948 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:29,920 don't even have to like drop 100 nuclear 949 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,430 don't even have to like drop 100 nuclear bombs on everybody at the same time. 950 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:31,440 bombs on everybody at the same time. 951 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,749 bombs on everybody at the same time. They could just do something like tank 952 00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:33,759 They could just do something like tank 953 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,069 They could just do something like tank the entire global economy and shut down 954 00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:36,079 the entire global economy and shut down 955 00:16:36,079 --> 00:16:38,949 the entire global economy and shut down a power grid and then watch the chaos 956 00:16:38,949 --> 00:16:38,959 a power grid and then watch the chaos 957 00:16:38,959 --> 00:16:40,629 a power grid and then watch the chaos ensue as we all murder each other. You 958 00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:40,639 ensue as we all murder each other. You 959 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:42,629 ensue as we all murder each other. You know, I mean, there's just so many ways 960 00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:42,639 know, I mean, there's just so many ways 961 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:45,350 know, I mean, there's just so many ways for it to play out. Um, 962 00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:45,360 for it to play out. Um, 963 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,710 for it to play out. Um, but uh I don't know. I mean the as as in 964 00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:48,720 but uh I don't know. I mean the as as in 965 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,550 but uh I don't know. I mean the as as in so far as a lot of this is speculative 966 00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:50,560 so far as a lot of this is speculative 967 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,150 so far as a lot of this is speculative some people are saying like okay you're 968 00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:52,160 some people are saying like okay you're 969 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,829 some people are saying like okay you're distracting from from other more 970 00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:53,839 distracting from from other more 971 00:16:53,839 --> 00:16:56,629 distracting from from other more pressing issues with AI. So right now 972 00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:56,639 pressing issues with AI. So right now 973 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:57,990 pressing issues with AI. So right now we're worried about social media 974 00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:58,000 we're worried about social media 975 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,910 we're worried about social media manipulation and obviously the the 976 00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:59,920 manipulation and obviously the the 977 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,389 manipulation and obviously the the dwindling job market is is of immediate 978 00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:02,399 dwindling job market is is of immediate 979 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:04,949 dwindling job market is is of immediate concern. So what are are we diverting 980 00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:04,959 concern. So what are are we diverting 981 00:17:04,959 --> 00:17:06,949 concern. So what are are we diverting too much from that or what? 982 00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:06,959 too much from that or what? 983 00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:09,270 too much from that or what? >> Yeah. So I think you know first of all 984 00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:09,280 >> Yeah. So I think you know first of all 985 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,029 >> Yeah. So I think you know first of all human extinction is a pretty big deal 986 00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:11,039 human extinction is a pretty big deal 987 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:12,949 human extinction is a pretty big deal and I think right now we are barling 988 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:12,959 and I think right now we are barling 989 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:15,750 and I think right now we are barling towards AI systems that could wipe us 990 00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:15,760 towards AI systems that could wipe us 991 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,230 towards AI systems that could wipe us all out without doing too much about it 992 00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:18,240 all out without doing too much about it 993 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,549 all out without doing too much about it and I think that's a massive concern in 994 00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:20,559 and I think that's a massive concern in 995 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:21,829 and I think that's a massive concern in itself. This doesn't mean that the other 996 00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:21,839 itself. This doesn't mean that the other 997 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:23,590 itself. This doesn't mean that the other issues are not valid like you know the 998 00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:23,600 issues are not valid like you know the 999 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,150 issues are not valid like you know the other issues are happening as well. Uh 1000 00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:26,160 other issues are happening as well. Uh 1001 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,909 other issues are happening as well. Uh but you know ultimately we will need to 1002 00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:27,919 but you know ultimately we will need to 1003 00:17:27,919 --> 00:17:31,270 but you know ultimately we will need to deal with all of them. uh this is one of 1004 00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:31,280 deal with all of them. uh this is one of 1005 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,070 deal with all of them. uh this is one of the massive ones that we're facing and I 1006 00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:34,080 the massive ones that we're facing and I 1007 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,150 the massive ones that we're facing and I think having a competition between like 1008 00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:36,160 think having a competition between like 1009 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,789 think having a competition between like which uh like we don't just have to 1010 00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:38,799 which uh like we don't just have to 1011 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:40,710 which uh like we don't just have to focus on one single thing there are 1012 00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:40,720 focus on one single thing there are 1013 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,390 focus on one single thing there are multiple things that we can focus on and 1014 00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:42,400 multiple things that we can focus on and 1015 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,710 multiple things that we can focus on and ultimately the the usual winner from 1016 00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:44,720 ultimately the the usual winner from 1017 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,750 ultimately the the usual winner from like pitting AI issues one against the 1018 00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:47,760 like pitting AI issues one against the 1019 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,270 like pitting AI issues one against the other are just AI companies themselves 1020 00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:49,280 other are just AI companies themselves 1021 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,190 other are just AI companies themselves they're just trying to be not regulated 1022 00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:51,200 they're just trying to be not regulated 1023 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,669 they're just trying to be not regulated at all on any of these issues you know 1024 00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:53,679 at all on any of these issues you know 1025 00:17:53,679 --> 00:17:55,350 at all on any of these issues you know including on super intelligence and 1026 00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:55,360 including on super intelligence and 1027 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,430 including on super intelligence and they're very happy to see uh squables 1028 00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:57,440 they're very happy to see uh squables 1029 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,230 they're very happy to see uh squables between people 1030 00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:58,240 between people 1031 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,270 between people >> right Yeah. 1032 00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:59,280 >> right Yeah. 1033 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,909 >> right Yeah. >> Tank their own pet issue one against the 1034 00:18:01,909 --> 00:18:01,919 >> Tank their own pet issue one against the 1035 00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:02,310 >> Tank their own pet issue one against the other. 1036 00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:02,320 other. 1037 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,669 other. >> You've started this organization. 1038 00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:03,679 >> You've started this organization. 1039 00:18:03,679 --> 00:18:04,789 >> You've started this organization. Somebody else can start another 1040 00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:04,799 Somebody else can start another 1041 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:06,630 Somebody else can start another organization to help all the people get 1042 00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:06,640 organization to help all the people get 1043 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,630 organization to help all the people get find jobs and stuff like come on. It's 1044 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:08,640 find jobs and stuff like come on. It's 1045 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,110 find jobs and stuff like come on. It's uh I mean okay so but you raised an 1046 00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:11,120 uh I mean okay so but you raised an 1047 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:12,390 uh I mean okay so but you raised an interesting point right that the AI 1048 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:12,400 interesting point right that the AI 1049 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,150 interesting point right that the AI companies themselves the optics 1050 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:14,160 companies themselves the optics 1051 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,990 companies themselves the optics associated with all this. So there's a 1052 00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:16,000 associated with all this. So there's a 1053 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,590 associated with all this. So there's a very interesting thing that people bring 1054 00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:17,600 very interesting thing that people bring 1055 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,310 very interesting thing that people bring up that's it's hard for me to counter 1056 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:20,320 up that's it's hard for me to counter 1057 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,070 up that's it's hard for me to counter and it's just that there's a lot of 1058 00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:22,080 and it's just that there's a lot of 1059 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,150 and it's just that there's a lot of narratives being spun by the AI 1060 00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:24,160 narratives being spun by the AI 1061 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,590 narratives being spun by the AI companies, right? They themselves are 1062 00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:25,600 companies, right? They themselves are 1063 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,390 companies, right? They themselves are saying talking about extinction risk and 1064 00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:28,400 saying talking about extinction risk and 1065 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,710 saying talking about extinction risk and and that this is like just hype to 1066 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:30,720 and that this is like just hype to 1067 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,669 and that this is like just hype to inflate their economic worth. Um I don't 1068 00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:33,679 inflate their economic worth. Um I don't 1069 00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:35,669 inflate their economic worth. Um I don't know what is there a threat of truth 1070 00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:35,679 know what is there a threat of truth 1071 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:37,430 know what is there a threat of truth there or what is it? 1072 00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:37,440 there or what is it? 1073 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,870 there or what is it? >> So I think it's definitely true that the 1074 00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:38,880 >> So I think it's definitely true that the 1075 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,870 >> So I think it's definitely true that the companies are hyping up their technology 1076 00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:40,880 companies are hyping up their technology 1077 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,150 companies are hyping up their technology how powerful it is. you know that's 1078 00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:42,160 how powerful it is. you know that's 1079 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,830 how powerful it is. you know that's that's normal and that's you know they 1080 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:43,840 that's normal and that's you know they 1081 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,710 that's normal and that's you know they want to raise billions. uh I don't think 1082 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:46,720 want to raise billions. uh I don't think 1083 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,669 want to raise billions. uh I don't think the extinction part is part of that also 1084 00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:49,679 the extinction part is part of that also 1085 00:18:49,679 --> 00:18:53,110 the extinction part is part of that also because if one takes the risk seriously 1086 00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:53,120 because if one takes the risk seriously 1087 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,590 because if one takes the risk seriously the answer is to stop them from building 1088 00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:55,600 the answer is to stop them from building 1089 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,190 the answer is to stop them from building super intelligence which would tank 1090 00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:57,200 super intelligence which would tank 1091 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,430 super intelligence which would tank their valuation as it is right now and 1092 00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:59,440 their valuation as it is right now and 1093 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,150 their valuation as it is right now and be very very costly like uh and in many 1094 00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:02,160 be very very costly like uh and in many 1095 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,909 be very very costly like uh and in many cases also we've seen some of the CEOs 1096 00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:03,919 cases also we've seen some of the CEOs 1097 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:06,070 cases also we've seen some of the CEOs that they you know some years ago they 1098 00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:06,080 that they you know some years ago they 1099 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,470 that they you know some years ago they were more vocal uh about the risks and 1100 00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:08,480 were more vocal uh about the risks and 1101 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,710 were more vocal uh about the risks and then the more they have uh bored 1102 00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:10,720 then the more they have uh bored 1103 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,430 then the more they have uh bored pressure or you know realize uh you know 1104 00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:13,440 pressure or you know realize uh you know 1105 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,590 pressure or you know realize uh you know pressure from investors they become or 1106 00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:15,600 pressure from investors they become or 1107 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,510 pressure from investors they become or the closer they get to it, the more they 1108 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:17,520 the closer they get to it, the more they 1109 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,430 the closer they get to it, the more they backpedal from the from the 1110 00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:19,440 backpedal from the from the 1111 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,830 backpedal from the from the >> Exactly. Exactly. And 1112 00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:21,840 >> Exactly. Exactly. And 1113 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,310 >> Exactly. Exactly. And >> Exactly. And so, you know, ultimately, 1114 00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:24,320 >> Exactly. And so, you know, ultimately, 1115 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,870 >> Exactly. And so, you know, ultimately, if if if somebody told you like Apple is 1116 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:26,880 if if if somebody told you like Apple is 1117 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,350 if if if somebody told you like Apple is starting a massive nuclear weapons 1118 00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:29,360 starting a massive nuclear weapons 1119 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:30,950 starting a massive nuclear weapons program, I don't think people's reaction 1120 00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:30,960 program, I don't think people's reaction 1121 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,310 program, I don't think people's reaction would be like, "No, oh wait, this is 1122 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:32,320 would be like, "No, oh wait, this is 1123 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,390 would be like, "No, oh wait, this is just to hype up the next iPhone." Like, 1124 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:34,400 just to hype up the next iPhone." Like, 1125 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,830 just to hype up the next iPhone." Like, I think people's reaction should be 1126 00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:35,840 I think people's reaction should be 1127 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,110 I think people's reaction should be like, "Wait a minute. Why is Apple 1128 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:37,120 like, "Wait a minute. Why is Apple 1129 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:38,549 like, "Wait a minute. Why is Apple building nuclear weapons? We should make 1130 00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:38,559 building nuclear weapons? We should make 1131 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:40,310 building nuclear weapons? We should make sure nuclear government stops them right 1132 00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:40,320 sure nuclear government stops them right 1133 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,270 sure nuclear government stops them right now." You know, they shouldn't have 1134 00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:41,280 now." You know, they shouldn't have 1135 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,390 now." You know, they shouldn't have nuclear weapons. 1136 00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:42,400 nuclear weapons. 1137 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,909 nuclear weapons. don't care about the you know the 1138 00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:43,919 don't care about the you know the 1139 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:46,310 don't care about the you know the valuation or their next iPhone and it's 1140 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:46,320 valuation or their next iPhone and it's 1141 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,470 valuation or their next iPhone and it's the same thing here and you know if we 1142 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:48,480 the same thing here and you know if we 1143 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,230 the same thing here and you know if we if we ban super intelligence which is 1144 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:50,240 if we ban super intelligence which is 1145 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,310 if we ban super intelligence which is what we call for a lot of these 1146 00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:52,320 what we call for a lot of these 1147 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,150 what we call for a lot of these companies will lose a bunch of the 1148 00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:54,160 companies will lose a bunch of the 1149 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,430 companies will lose a bunch of the valuation I don't I don't think they 1150 00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:55,440 valuation I don't I don't think they 1151 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,470 valuation I don't I don't think they will be wiped out you know they have 1152 00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:56,480 will be wiped out you know they have 1153 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,310 will be wiped out you know they have other things they can do they can 1154 00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:58,320 other things they can do they can 1155 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,870 other things they can do they can >> do other activities are not threatening 1156 00:20:00,870 --> 00:20:00,880 >> do other activities are not threatening 1157 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:01,590 >> do other activities are not threatening to kill us all 1158 00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:01,600 to kill us all 1159 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,990 to kill us all >> yeah they're doing fine already yeah no 1160 00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:04,000 >> yeah they're doing fine already yeah no 1161 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,230 >> yeah they're doing fine already yeah no it's a good point the idea of a of of a 1162 00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:06,240 it's a good point the idea of a of of a 1163 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,070 it's a good point the idea of a of of a private corporate entity being allowed 1164 00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:08,080 private corporate entity being allowed 1165 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,390 private corporate entity being allowed to develop technology that threatens the 1166 00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:10,400 to develop technology that threatens the 1167 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,909 to develop technology that threatens the all of humanity 1168 00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:11,919 all of humanity 1169 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,830 all of humanity They they can't do it with nukes. I 1170 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:13,840 They they can't do it with nukes. I 1171 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,390 They they can't do it with nukes. I mean, yeah, we're comparing something 1172 00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:16,400 mean, yeah, we're comparing something 1173 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,830 mean, yeah, we're comparing something similar here in scope. I mean, so, okay, 1174 00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:19,840 similar here in scope. I mean, so, okay, 1175 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,230 similar here in scope. I mean, so, okay, with these narratives, this is the 1176 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:22,240 with these narratives, this is the 1177 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,909 with these narratives, this is the hardest part for me because it combines 1178 00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:23,919 hardest part for me because it combines 1179 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:25,909 hardest part for me because it combines my my my 1180 00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:25,919 my my my 1181 00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:28,070 my my my poor understanding of tech with my poor 1182 00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:28,080 poor understanding of tech with my poor 1183 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,630 poor understanding of tech with my poor understanding of the the or not even my 1184 00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:30,640 understanding of the the or not even my 1185 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,310 understanding of the the or not even my poor understanding, but the the nebulous 1186 00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:32,320 poor understanding, but the the nebulous 1187 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,710 poor understanding, but the the nebulous nature of the bureaucracy associate or 1188 00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:34,720 nature of the bureaucracy associate or 1189 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,870 nature of the bureaucracy associate or the the manipulative the manipulative 1190 00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:36,880 the the manipulative the manipulative 1191 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,630 the the manipulative the manipulative nature of the of the rhetoric of these 1192 00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:38,640 nature of the of the rhetoric of these 1193 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,110 nature of the of the rhetoric of these companies. So what what do they care 1194 00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:41,120 companies. So what what do they care 1195 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:42,870 companies. So what what do they care about? What are the narratives that 1196 00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:42,880 about? What are the narratives that 1197 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,390 about? What are the narratives that they're spewing? Obviously, they want to 1198 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:44,400 they're spewing? Obviously, they want to 1199 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,390 they're spewing? Obviously, they want to win the race to super intelligence. So 1200 00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:46,400 win the race to super intelligence. So 1201 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,029 win the race to super intelligence. So what are they saying to whom? How does 1202 00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:49,039 what are they saying to whom? How does 1203 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:50,870 what are they saying to whom? How does it differ to which group they're talking 1204 00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:50,880 it differ to which group they're talking 1205 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,909 it differ to which group they're talking to and how does that serve their intent 1206 00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:53,919 to and how does that serve their intent 1207 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:55,669 to and how does that serve their intent of manipulating the landscape in their 1208 00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:55,679 of manipulating the landscape in their 1209 00:20:55,679 --> 00:20:56,630 of manipulating the landscape in their favor? 1210 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:56,640 favor? 1211 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,870 favor? >> Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, number one is 1212 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:58,880 >> Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, number one is 1213 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,710 >> Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, number one is exactly what you said like ultimately 1214 00:21:00,710 --> 00:21:00,720 exactly what you said like ultimately 1215 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,870 exactly what you said like ultimately what you know what we can model them as 1216 00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:02,880 what you know what we can model them as 1217 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,070 what you know what we can model them as is they want to get to super 1218 00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:04,080 is they want to get to super 1219 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,990 is they want to get to super intelligence as fast as possible. They 1220 00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:06,000 intelligence as fast as possible. They 1221 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,430 intelligence as fast as possible. They will say many different things. They 1222 00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:07,440 will say many different things. They 1223 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,470 will say many different things. They will say different things to different 1224 00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:08,480 will say different things to different 1225 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,070 will say different things to different people. You know, executives will say 1226 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:10,080 people. You know, executives will say 1227 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:10,950 people. You know, executives will say different things to different people, 1228 00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:10,960 different things to different people, 1229 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,590 different things to different people, but ultimately the whole machine is 1230 00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:13,600 but ultimately the whole machine is 1231 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,510 but ultimately the whole machine is pushed towards let's get to super 1232 00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:15,520 pushed towards let's get to super 1233 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,110 pushed towards let's get to super intelligence as fast as possible. And if 1234 00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:17,120 intelligence as fast as possible. And if 1235 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,029 intelligence as fast as possible. And if there's something stopping that, they 1236 00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:19,039 there's something stopping that, they 1237 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:21,190 there's something stopping that, they will fight it. And so they end up having 1238 00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:21,200 will fight it. And so they end up having 1239 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,470 will fight it. And so they end up having a few different stories to different 1240 00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:22,480 a few different stories to different 1241 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,070 a few different stories to different people. You know, to investors, it's 1242 00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:24,080 people. You know, to investors, it's 1243 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,990 people. You know, to investors, it's it's going to be amazing. You know, 1244 00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:26,000 it's going to be amazing. You know, 1245 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,590 it's going to be amazing. You know, especially if you invest in me and not 1246 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:27,600 especially if you invest in me and not 1247 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,470 especially if you invest in me and not the others, it's going to be 1248 00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:28,480 the others, it's going to be 1249 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,909 the others, it's going to be particularly amazing. uh and if we get 1250 00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:31,919 particularly amazing. uh and if we get 1251 00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:33,270 particularly amazing. uh and if we get closer and closer, we're going to get to 1252 00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:33,280 closer and closer, we're going to get to 1253 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,350 closer and closer, we're going to get to automate the entirety of the economy 1254 00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:35,360 automate the entirety of the economy 1255 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,669 automate the entirety of the economy which uh and you know maybe not too many 1256 00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:37,679 which uh and you know maybe not too many 1257 00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:38,950 which uh and you know maybe not too many implications beyond that because that 1258 00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:38,960 implications beyond that because that 1259 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,549 implications beyond that because that those will be scary. They they maybe 1260 00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:40,559 those will be scary. They they maybe 1261 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:41,750 those will be scary. They they maybe stop at the 1262 00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:41,760 stop at the 1263 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,310 stop at the >> at the at that point u to their 1264 00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:44,320 >> at the at that point u to their 1265 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,390 >> at the at that point u to their engineers. Sometimes the engineers raise 1266 00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:46,400 engineers. Sometimes the engineers raise 1267 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,750 engineers. Sometimes the engineers raise concerns. Sometimes you know people 1268 00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:47,760 concerns. Sometimes you know people 1269 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,230 concerns. Sometimes you know people internally many of them like start to be 1270 00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:50,240 internally many of them like start to be 1271 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,390 internally many of them like start to be concerned about uh the risks and they 1272 00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:52,400 concerned about uh the risks and they 1273 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,830 concerned about uh the risks and they will say well you know there are some 1274 00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:53,840 will say well you know there are some 1275 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,110 will say well you know there are some risks but if we don't do it this other 1276 00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:57,120 risks but if we don't do it this other 1277 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:58,870 risks but if we don't do it this other company or this other company a 1278 00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:58,880 company or this other company a 1279 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,149 company or this other company a different country will do it and those 1280 00:22:00,149 --> 00:22:00,159 different country will do it and those 1281 00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:02,630 different country will do it and those are obviously worse so we should be 1282 00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:02,640 are obviously worse so we should be 1283 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,789 are obviously worse so we should be doing it. uh you know our hands are tied 1284 00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:04,799 doing it. uh you know our hands are tied 1285 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:07,029 doing it. uh you know our hands are tied and anyways all of those great benefits 1286 00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:07,039 and anyways all of those great benefits 1287 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:08,390 and anyways all of those great benefits as well. 1288 00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:08,400 as well. 1289 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,789 as well. >> And to the public and to politicians 1290 00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:10,799 >> And to the public and to politicians 1291 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:13,110 >> And to the public and to politicians they are playing a tactic that was kind 1292 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:13,120 they are playing a tactic that was kind 1293 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:16,470 they are playing a tactic that was kind of pioneered by the tobacco industry uh 1294 00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:16,480 of pioneered by the tobacco industry uh 1295 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,110 of pioneered by the tobacco industry uh which is just to spread confusion uh 1296 00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:19,120 which is just to spread confusion uh 1297 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,430 which is just to spread confusion uh FUD, fear, uncertainty and doubt. This 1298 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:21,440 FUD, fear, uncertainty and doubt. This 1299 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,870 FUD, fear, uncertainty and doubt. This is in many ways exactly the same 1300 00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:22,880 is in many ways exactly the same 1301 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,510 is in many ways exactly the same playbook that kind of big tobacco used 1302 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:25,520 playbook that kind of big tobacco used 1303 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,390 playbook that kind of big tobacco used to avoid uh regulation especially when 1304 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:28,400 to avoid uh regulation especially when 1305 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,029 to avoid uh regulation especially when it came out that internally in tobacco 1306 00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:31,039 it came out that internally in tobacco 1307 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:32,470 it came out that internally in tobacco companies they realized that smoking 1308 00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:32,480 companies they realized that smoking 1309 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,630 companies they realized that smoking causes cancer and they spent a long time 1310 00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:34,640 causes cancer and they spent a long time 1311 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,789 causes cancer and they spent a long time trying to like delay uh kind of this 1312 00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:36,799 trying to like delay uh kind of this 1313 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:39,430 trying to like delay uh kind of this societal awakening about the issue as 1314 00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:39,440 societal awakening about the issue as 1315 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,270 societal awakening about the issue as much as possible and AI companies are 1316 00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:41,280 much as possible and AI companies are 1317 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,470 much as possible and AI companies are doing the same you know in many cases 1318 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:42,480 doing the same you know in many cases 1319 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,149 doing the same you know in many cases they're kind of really replicating the 1320 00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:44,159 they're kind of really replicating the 1321 00:22:44,159 --> 00:22:47,110 they're kind of really replicating the playbook onetoone it's just spread many 1322 00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:47,120 playbook onetoone it's just spread many 1323 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,950 playbook onetoone it's just spread many different narratives say different 1324 00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:48,960 different narratives say different 1325 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,870 different narratives say different things to different people not really 1326 00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:50,880 things to different people not really 1327 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,549 things to different people not really try to maintain coherence, just try to 1328 00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:52,559 try to maintain coherence, just try to 1329 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,110 try to maintain coherence, just try to make it more confusing. And I think a 1330 00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:55,120 make it more confusing. And I think a 1331 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:56,230 make it more confusing. And I think a lot of people feel it. They feel it 1332 00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:56,240 lot of people feel it. They feel it 1333 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,750 lot of people feel it. They feel it like, you know, this person tells me 1334 00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:57,760 like, you know, this person tells me 1335 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,110 like, you know, this person tells me that about AI, you know, this person 1336 00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:59,120 that about AI, you know, this person 1337 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:00,630 that about AI, you know, this person says it's going to wipe out all jobs. 1338 00:23:00,630 --> 00:23:00,640 says it's going to wipe out all jobs. 1339 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,630 says it's going to wipe out all jobs. This person says it's not really going 1340 00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:02,640 This person says it's not really going 1341 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,830 This person says it's not really going to wipe out all jobs. It's not really 1342 00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:03,840 to wipe out all jobs. It's not really 1343 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,270 to wipe out all jobs. It's not really intelligent. It just make people 1344 00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:05,280 intelligent. It just make people 1345 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,950 intelligent. It just make people confused. If people are confused, if 1346 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:06,960 confused. If people are confused, if 1347 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,070 confused. If people are confused, if politicians are confused, they're going 1348 00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:08,080 politicians are confused, they're going 1349 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,430 politicians are confused, they're going to wait 1350 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:09,440 to wait 1351 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,710 to wait >> and they're not going to act. And that's 1352 00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:10,720 >> and they're not going to act. And that's 1353 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,830 >> and they're not going to act. And that's what the companies want. 1354 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:11,840 what the companies want. 1355 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,990 what the companies want. >> Ren render the public kind of impotent 1356 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:14,000 >> Ren render the public kind of impotent 1357 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,990 >> Ren render the public kind of impotent to to Yeah. Just because there's so many 1358 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:16,000 to to Yeah. Just because there's so many 1359 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,909 to to Yeah. Just because there's so many competing nerves, fear, uncertainty, and 1360 00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:17,919 competing nerves, fear, uncertainty, and 1361 00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:19,350 competing nerves, fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Yeah, that's uh Yeah, that 1362 00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:19,360 doubt. Yeah, that's uh Yeah, that 1363 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,190 doubt. Yeah, that's uh Yeah, that checks. and and so much easier today 1364 00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:21,200 checks. and and so much easier today 1365 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,510 checks. and and so much easier today than it was, you know, 50 or 70 years 1366 00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:23,520 than it was, you know, 50 or 70 years 1367 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,110 than it was, you know, 50 or 70 years ago or whenever that was happening with 1368 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:25,120 ago or whenever that was happening with 1369 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,990 ago or whenever that was happening with the tobacco industry. Um because of the 1370 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:28,000 the tobacco industry. Um because of the 1371 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,430 the tobacco industry. Um because of the internet and social media, it's just 1372 00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:29,440 internet and social media, it's just 1373 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,549 internet and social media, it's just really 1374 00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:30,559 really 1375 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:33,110 really >> it's just astounding how much certain 1376 00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:33,120 >> it's just astounding how much certain 1377 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,710 >> it's just astounding how much certain narratives can gain traction, especially 1378 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:34,720 narratives can gain traction, especially 1379 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,230 narratives can gain traction, especially with, you know, economic backing and 1380 00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:36,240 with, you know, economic backing and 1381 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,870 with, you know, economic backing and everything. Um you mentioned, so you you 1382 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:38,880 everything. Um you mentioned, so you you 1383 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,430 everything. Um you mentioned, so you you touched on this a moment ago, just uh 1384 00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:41,440 touched on this a moment ago, just uh 1385 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,190 touched on this a moment ago, just uh these narratives, if we don't if we 1386 00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:43,200 these narratives, if we don't if we 1387 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,630 these narratives, if we don't if we don't get it, the other company will or 1388 00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:44,640 don't get it, the other company will or 1389 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,070 don't get it, the other company will or the other country will. And so obviously 1390 00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:46,080 the other country will. And so obviously 1391 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,510 the other country will. And so obviously the other country is China. They're 1392 00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:47,520 the other country is China. They're 1393 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,950 the other country is China. They're always talking about we got to be China. 1394 00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:48,960 always talking about we got to be China. 1395 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,470 always talking about we got to be China. We got to be China. We got to be China. 1396 00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:50,480 We got to be China. We got to be China. 1397 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,909 We got to be China. We got to be China. If they get it first, it'll be a 1398 00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:51,919 If they get it first, it'll be a 1399 00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:53,750 If they get it first, it'll be a disaster for the Western world. It will 1400 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:53,760 disaster for the Western world. It will 1401 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,549 disaster for the Western world. It will ruin all of Western civilization. Um, it 1402 00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:56,559 ruin all of Western civilization. Um, it 1403 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,350 ruin all of Western civilization. Um, it seems like a little bit of a copout, but 1404 00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:59,360 seems like a little bit of a copout, but 1405 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:02,149 seems like a little bit of a copout, but is I is there a nugget of of of uh of 1406 00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:02,159 is I is there a nugget of of of uh of 1407 00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:04,070 is I is there a nugget of of of uh of sound logic in there or do we have to 1408 00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:04,080 sound logic in there or do we have to 1409 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,710 sound logic in there or do we have to beat them or you what what can we say? 1410 00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:06,720 beat them or you what what can we say? 1411 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,149 beat them or you what what can we say? >> Yeah. Yeah. So I would say two things 1412 00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:08,159 >> Yeah. Yeah. So I would say two things 1413 00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:09,909 >> Yeah. Yeah. So I would say two things like one the way that companies use it 1414 00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:09,919 like one the way that companies use it 1415 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:12,230 like one the way that companies use it is yes just completely self- serving and 1416 00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:12,240 is yes just completely self- serving and 1417 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,549 is yes just completely self- serving and we've seen it over time that you know 1418 00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:14,559 we've seen it over time that you know 1419 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:16,149 we've seen it over time that you know these companies don't really seem to 1420 00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:16,159 these companies don't really seem to 1421 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:18,230 these companies don't really seem to have loyalty to any specific country 1422 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:18,240 have loyalty to any specific country 1423 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,070 have loyalty to any specific country they have loyalty to themselves and they 1424 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:20,080 they have loyalty to themselves and they 1425 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,470 they have loyalty to themselves and they will use a narrative that uh benefits 1426 00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:22,480 will use a narrative that uh benefits 1427 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,909 will use a narrative that uh benefits them you know we've seen like 1428 00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:23,919 them you know we've seen like 1429 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:25,750 them you know we've seen like >> patriotism we gota 1430 00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:25,760 >> patriotism we gota 1431 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,350 >> patriotism we gota >> exactly and they're like there's a 1432 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:27,360 >> exactly and they're like there's a 1433 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:29,669 >> exactly and they're like there's a recent article in the New Yorker uh 1434 00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:29,679 recent article in the New Yorker uh 1435 00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:32,390 recent article in the New Yorker uh where one of the stories told is at some 1436 00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:32,400 where one of the stories told is at some 1437 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,190 where one of the stories told is at some point Greg Brockman president of OpenAI 1438 00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:35,200 point Greg Brockman president of OpenAI 1439 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,990 point Greg Brockman president of OpenAI in the early days of OpenAI I he floated 1440 00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:38,000 in the early days of OpenAI I he floated 1441 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,149 in the early days of OpenAI I he floated the idea uh internally. But you know 1442 00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:40,159 the idea uh internally. But you know 1443 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,390 the idea uh internally. But you know what about auctioning AGI to the highest 1444 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:42,400 what about auctioning AGI to the highest 1445 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,149 what about auctioning AGI to the highest bidder and like pit countries against 1446 00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:44,159 bidder and like pit countries against 1447 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:45,990 bidder and like pit countries against each other. We auction it to to Russia. 1448 00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:46,000 each other. We auction it to to Russia. 1449 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,750 each other. We auction it to to Russia. We auction it to China. We auction to 1450 00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:47,760 We auction it to China. We auction to 1451 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,669 We auction it to China. We auction to the US and then we just pit everybody 1452 00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:49,679 the US and then we just pit everybody 1453 00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:51,909 the US and then we just pit everybody against each other to get the the 1454 00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:51,919 against each other to get the the 1455 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:53,669 against each other to get the the highest bidder. You know this is not you 1456 00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:53,679 highest bidder. You know this is not you 1457 00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:56,950 highest bidder. You know this is not you know this um now you know now they might 1458 00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:56,960 know this um now you know now they might 1459 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,029 know this um now you know now they might be more patriotic in the rhetoric but 1460 00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:59,039 be more patriotic in the rhetoric but 1461 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,029 be more patriotic in the rhetoric but that's the reality. They're all in for 1462 00:25:01,029 --> 00:25:01,039 that's the reality. They're all in for 1463 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,830 that's the reality. They're all in for themselves. Um I think on the on the you 1464 00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:03,840 themselves. Um I think on the on the you 1465 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,430 themselves. Um I think on the on the you know what about China question I think 1466 00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:05,440 know what about China question I think 1467 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,990 know what about China question I think it's important that nobody develops 1468 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:08,000 it's important that nobody develops 1469 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,510 it's important that nobody develops super intelligence. So I do think it's 1470 00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:09,520 super intelligence. So I do think it's 1471 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,110 super intelligence. So I do think it's important like there is a there is a 1472 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:11,120 important like there is a there is a 1473 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,630 important like there is a there is a part of truth here of if anybody 1474 00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:12,640 part of truth here of if anybody 1475 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,950 part of truth here of if anybody develops super intelligence we are 1476 00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:14,960 develops super intelligence we are 1477 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,549 develops super intelligence we are probably screwed. You know we are facing 1478 00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:16,559 probably screwed. You know we are facing 1479 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:19,750 probably screwed. You know we are facing an enormous risk of human extinction. 1480 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:19,760 an enormous risk of human extinction. 1481 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,310 an enormous risk of human extinction. And so I think the correct uh answer 1482 00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:22,320 And so I think the correct uh answer 1483 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,630 And so I think the correct uh answer from the US should be to say you know no 1484 00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:24,640 from the US should be to say you know no 1485 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,390 from the US should be to say you know no we will not let China develop this. It's 1486 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:26,400 we will not let China develop this. It's 1487 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,909 we will not let China develop this. It's not just we are not going to do it. 1488 00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:27,919 not just we are not going to do it. 1489 00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:29,430 not just we are not going to do it. We're also going to make sure that other 1490 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:29,440 We're also going to make sure that other 1491 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,630 We're also going to make sure that other countries don't do it. It's 1492 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:30,640 countries don't do it. It's 1493 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,470 countries don't do it. It's unacceptable. This would be a massive 1494 00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:32,480 unacceptable. This would be a massive 1495 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,390 unacceptable. This would be a massive violation of national and global 1496 00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:34,400 violation of national and global 1497 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,710 violation of national and global security. And you know, I think the way 1498 00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:36,720 security. And you know, I think the way 1499 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,310 security. And you know, I think the way to do it is to start the usual uh ladder 1500 00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:40,320 to do it is to start the usual uh ladder 1501 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,909 to do it is to start the usual uh ladder of engagement while also making very 1502 00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:41,919 of engagement while also making very 1503 00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:43,669 of engagement while also making very clear this is a big red line. You know, 1504 00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:43,679 clear this is a big red line. You know, 1505 00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:46,470 clear this is a big red line. You know, it's this is bigger than nukes. We will 1506 00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:46,480 it's this is bigger than nukes. We will 1507 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,830 it's this is bigger than nukes. We will not let anyone develop this including if 1508 00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:49,840 not let anyone develop this including if 1509 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,789 not let anyone develop this including if it's a foreign country. 1510 00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:50,799 it's a foreign country. 1511 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,630 it's a foreign country. >> Yeah. Yeah. The goal the goal is, you 1512 00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:52,640 >> Yeah. Yeah. The goal the goal is, you 1513 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,310 >> Yeah. Yeah. The goal the goal is, you know, beyond legislation, but an 1514 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:54,320 know, beyond legislation, but an 1515 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,350 know, beyond legislation, but an international treaty. Um, I mean, yeah, 1516 00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:57,360 international treaty. Um, I mean, yeah, 1517 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,430 international treaty. Um, I mean, yeah, that it it does kind of I I think I 1518 00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:59,440 that it it does kind of I I think I 1519 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,110 that it it does kind of I I think I think it's naive the narrative that like 1520 00:26:01,110 --> 00:26:01,120 think it's naive the narrative that like 1521 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:02,789 think it's naive the narrative that like one country like China could develop 1522 00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:02,799 one country like China could develop 1523 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:04,950 one country like China could develop this and use it to wield like economic 1524 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:04,960 this and use it to wield like economic 1525 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,110 this and use it to wield like economic supremacy. I mean, the thing is going to 1526 00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:07,120 supremacy. I mean, the thing is going to 1527 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:11,029 supremacy. I mean, the thing is going to just escape and permeate the the global 1528 00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:11,039 just escape and permeate the the global 1529 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:12,710 just escape and permeate the the global internet. So, it's like, yeah, whoever 1530 00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:12,720 internet. So, it's like, yeah, whoever 1531 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,750 internet. So, it's like, yeah, whoever does it and I think they know that. But, 1532 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:15,760 does it and I think they know that. But, 1533 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,789 does it and I think they know that. But, I mean, in ter, you know, if everybody 1534 00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:18,799 I mean, in ter, you know, if everybody 1535 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,350 I mean, in ter, you know, if everybody knows it, I guess just the narrative of, 1536 00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:21,360 knows it, I guess just the narrative of, 1537 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,669 knows it, I guess just the narrative of, okay, just it's inevitable. It's going 1538 00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:23,679 okay, just it's inevitable. It's going 1539 00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:25,590 okay, just it's inevitable. It's going to happen. Relax. it's pointless to try 1540 00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:25,600 to happen. Relax. it's pointless to try 1541 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,350 to happen. Relax. it's pointless to try to stop it. Just, you know, whatever 1542 00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:27,360 to stop it. Just, you know, whatever 1543 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,149 to stop it. Just, you know, whatever happens happens. Um there's people who 1544 00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:30,159 happens happens. Um there's people who 1545 00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:32,070 happens happens. Um there's people who actually you say that, you know, I mean 1546 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:32,080 actually you say that, you know, I mean 1547 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,390 actually you say that, you know, I mean it that also seems like a gigantic 1548 00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:34,400 it that also seems like a gigantic 1549 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,390 it that also seems like a gigantic copout. Uh it seems like the AI 1550 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:36,400 copout. Uh it seems like the AI 1551 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,830 copout. Uh it seems like the AI companies are kind of like, "Yeah, don't 1552 00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:37,840 companies are kind of like, "Yeah, don't 1553 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,430 companies are kind of like, "Yeah, don't worry about it. Just uh everybody say 1554 00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:39,440 worry about it. Just uh everybody say 1555 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,590 worry about it. Just uh everybody say this now on social media." What what 1556 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:41,600 this now on social media." What what 1557 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,269 this now on social media." What what what can we say about that? 1558 00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:43,279 what can we say about that? 1559 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,350 what can we say about that? >> Yeah, that's Yeah, that's another one. 1560 00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:45,360 >> Yeah, that's Yeah, that's another one. 1561 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,029 >> Yeah, that's Yeah, that's another one. like it's it's really playing into like 1562 00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:47,039 like it's it's really playing into like 1563 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,269 like it's it's really playing into like building nihilism like the kind of in 1564 00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:49,279 building nihilism like the kind of in 1565 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,310 building nihilism like the kind of in some ways the biggest the biggest danger 1566 00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:52,320 some ways the biggest the biggest danger 1567 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,070 some ways the biggest the biggest danger that they face is that people actually 1568 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:54,080 that they face is that people actually 1569 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,750 that they face is that people actually wake up and realize this is happening 1570 00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:55,760 wake up and realize this is happening 1571 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,630 wake up and realize this is happening and start uh taking action and that you 1572 00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:58,640 and start uh taking action and that you 1573 00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,909 and start uh taking action and that you know governments wake up and start 1574 00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:59,919 know governments wake up and start 1575 00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:01,830 know governments wake up and start saying like no wait a minute why you're 1576 00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:01,840 saying like no wait a minute why you're 1577 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,830 saying like no wait a minute why you're developing a technology that could wipe 1578 00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:03,840 developing a technology that could wipe 1579 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,350 developing a technology that could wipe everybody out and could overthrow the 1580 00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:05,360 everybody out and could overthrow the 1581 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,029 everybody out and could overthrow the government like we're not going to let 1582 00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:07,039 government like we're not going to let 1583 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,630 government like we're not going to let you do that and so this nihilism of it's 1584 00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:10,640 you do that and so this nihilism of it's 1585 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,230 you do that and so this nihilism of it's going to happen anyways you know might 1586 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:12,240 going to happen anyways you know might 1587 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,390 going to happen anyways you know might as well be me is a very very convenient 1588 00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:14,400 as well be me is a very very convenient 1589 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,510 as well be me is a very very convenient narrative to try to again kind of modify 1590 00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:17,520 narrative to try to again kind of modify 1591 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,350 narrative to try to again kind of modify uh a reaction and make people think like 1592 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:19,360 uh a reaction and make people think like 1593 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,470 uh a reaction and make people think like you know it's just going to happen like 1594 00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:20,480 you know it's just going to happen like 1595 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,310 you know it's just going to happen like you have to deal with it just don't even 1596 00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:22,320 you have to deal with it just don't even 1597 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,350 you have to deal with it just don't even try. Um and the reality is that no 1598 00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:25,360 try. Um and the reality is that no 1599 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,269 try. Um and the reality is that no obviously we do have a choice like we 1600 00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:27,279 obviously we do have a choice like we 1601 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,029 obviously we do have a choice like we had a choice before with our 1602 00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:29,039 had a choice before with our 1603 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:30,950 had a choice before with our technologies you know I'm I'm not saying 1604 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:30,960 technologies you know I'm I'm not saying 1605 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,549 technologies you know I'm I'm not saying that we did everything right with nukes 1606 00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:32,559 that we did everything right with nukes 1607 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,430 that we did everything right with nukes but we haven't had a nuclear war uh and 1608 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:35,440 but we haven't had a nuclear war uh and 1609 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,310 but we haven't had a nuclear war uh and you know dropping nukes since 1945. 1610 00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:38,320 you know dropping nukes since 1945. 1611 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,310 you know dropping nukes since 1945. nuclear nonproliferation was achieved. 1612 00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:40,320 nuclear nonproliferation was achieved. 1613 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,590 nuclear nonproliferation was achieved. You know at the time when the nuke was 1614 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:41,600 You know at the time when the nuke was 1615 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,350 You know at the time when the nuke was developed, many people had the idea of 1616 00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:43,360 developed, many people had the idea of 1617 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,630 developed, many people had the idea of it's going to be inevitable. Every 1618 00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:44,640 it's going to be inevitable. Every 1619 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,789 it's going to be inevitable. Every country is going to have nukes. Every 1620 00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:46,799 country is going to have nukes. Every 1621 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,230 country is going to have nukes. Every country is going to be a nuclear power 1622 00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:48,240 country is going to be a nuclear power 1623 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,990 country is going to be a nuclear power and therefore then we will be have a 1624 00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:50,000 and therefore then we will be have a 1625 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,830 and therefore then we will be have a extremely unstable world where we can 1626 00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:51,840 extremely unstable world where we can 1627 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,389 extremely unstable world where we can just face nuclear annihilation every 1628 00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:54,399 just face nuclear annihilation every 1629 00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:56,950 just face nuclear annihilation every day. And that didn't happen because and 1630 00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:56,960 day. And that didn't happen because and 1631 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,669 day. And that didn't happen because and not just by magic but by the hard work 1632 00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:59,679 not just by magic but by the hard work 1633 00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:02,310 not just by magic but by the hard work of people in multiple countries working 1634 00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:02,320 of people in multiple countries working 1635 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,149 of people in multiple countries working really hard to prevent nuclear 1636 00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:04,159 really hard to prevent nuclear 1637 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:05,990 really hard to prevent nuclear nonproliferation, educating the public, 1638 00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:06,000 nonproliferation, educating the public, 1639 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,510 nonproliferation, educating the public, educating policy makers about the fact 1640 00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:07,520 educating policy makers about the fact 1641 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,990 educating policy makers about the fact of the big dangers of having nukes uh 1642 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:10,000 of the big dangers of having nukes uh 1643 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,870 of the big dangers of having nukes uh proliferate and in fact we didn't have 1644 00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:12,880 proliferate and in fact we didn't have 1645 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,389 proliferate and in fact we didn't have nuclear war since then. So I think we 1646 00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:14,399 nuclear war since then. So I think we 1647 00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:15,029 nuclear war since then. So I think we can do it again. 1648 00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:15,039 can do it again. 1649 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:16,950 can do it again. >> Yeah, it's a perfect example. Yeah, I 1650 00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:16,960 >> Yeah, it's a perfect example. Yeah, I 1651 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,549 >> Yeah, it's a perfect example. Yeah, I feel like if the if the if the logic 1652 00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:18,559 feel like if the if the if the logic 1653 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,510 feel like if the if the if the logic held of of this inevitability narrative, 1654 00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:21,520 held of of this inevitability narrative, 1655 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,149 held of of this inevitability narrative, then then we should have already faced 1656 00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:24,159 then then we should have already faced 1657 00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:26,310 then then we should have already faced the apocalypse, we we could have killed 1658 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:26,320 the apocalypse, we we could have killed 1659 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,470 the apocalypse, we we could have killed ourselves in the 1970s and we didn't uh 1660 00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:28,480 ourselves in the 1970s and we didn't uh 1661 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,870 ourselves in the 1970s and we didn't uh because we decided not to. So, I think 1662 00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:30,880 because we decided not to. So, I think 1663 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,350 because we decided not to. So, I think that logic holds magnificently. Okay. 1664 00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:33,360 that logic holds magnificently. Okay. 1665 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,750 that logic holds magnificently. Okay. So, I you know, I I've already stated uh 1666 00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:35,760 So, I you know, I I've already stated uh 1667 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,350 So, I you know, I I've already stated uh in my original video and and again 1668 00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:37,360 in my original video and and again 1669 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,190 in my original video and and again multiple times now, I am convinced of 1670 00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:39,200 multiple times now, I am convinced of 1671 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,110 multiple times now, I am convinced of the risk. Uh I would imagine that most 1672 00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:41,120 the risk. Uh I would imagine that most 1673 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,029 the risk. Uh I would imagine that most of my viewers are convinced of of the 1674 00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:43,039 of my viewers are convinced of of the 1675 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:44,789 of my viewers are convinced of of the risk. Maybe not all, but uh you know, 1676 00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:44,799 risk. Maybe not all, but uh you know, 1677 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,350 risk. Maybe not all, but uh you know, probably a sizable portion. So, uh we 1678 00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:47,360 probably a sizable portion. So, uh we 1679 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,950 probably a sizable portion. So, uh we arrive at the million-dollar question. 1680 00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:48,960 arrive at the million-dollar question. 1681 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,789 arrive at the million-dollar question. You know, what do we do? You've made it 1682 00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:50,799 You know, what do we do? You've made it 1683 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,630 You know, what do we do? You've made it your career to think about this 1684 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:52,640 your career to think about this 1685 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,990 your career to think about this question. We've talked a little bit 1686 00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:54,000 question. We've talked a little bit 1687 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,870 question. We've talked a little bit about it, but um let's talk about it now 1688 00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:56,880 about it, but um let's talk about it now 1689 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,750 about it, but um let's talk about it now in even more detail as much as you can. 1690 00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:59,760 in even more detail as much as you can. 1691 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,070 in even more detail as much as you can. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, the step 1692 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:02,080 >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, the step 1693 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,190 >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, the step one, which is also kind of what we 1694 00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:03,200 one, which is also kind of what we 1695 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,590 one, which is also kind of what we touched on before, is right now most 1696 00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:05,600 touched on before, is right now most 1697 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,190 touched on before, is right now most people just don't know. And that's the 1698 00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:07,200 people just don't know. And that's the 1699 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,110 people just don't know. And that's the main thing that we need to address. you 1700 00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:09,120 main thing that we need to address. you 1701 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,110 main thing that we need to address. you know, most people uh most average 1702 00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:11,120 know, most people uh most average 1703 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,350 know, most people uh most average people, most politicians, they just not 1704 00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:13,360 people, most politicians, they just not 1705 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,430 people, most politicians, they just not aware that this is happening. Like we've 1706 00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:15,440 aware that this is happening. Like we've 1707 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,269 aware that this is happening. Like we've had some of these expert warnings uh 1708 00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:17,279 had some of these expert warnings uh 1709 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:18,950 had some of these expert warnings uh they've been helpful, but they've been 1710 00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:18,960 they've been helpful, but they've been 1711 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,389 they've been helpful, but they've been kind of limited to uh within the AI. 1712 00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:22,399 kind of limited to uh within the AI. 1713 00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:23,269 kind of limited to uh within the AI. >> Yeah. Mhm. 1714 00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:23,279 >> Yeah. Mhm. 1715 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,029 >> Yeah. Mhm. >> Exactly. Like you know, and you know, 1716 00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:25,039 >> Exactly. Like you know, and you know, 1717 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,789 >> Exactly. Like you know, and you know, one letter is not like is is a great 1718 00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:26,799 one letter is not like is is a great 1719 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,230 one letter is not like is is a great step and it's not going to change 1720 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:28,240 step and it's not going to change 1721 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,909 step and it's not going to change everything. It's not going to just 1722 00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:29,919 everything. It's not going to just 1723 00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:31,990 everything. It's not going to just >> uh be installed in everybody's brains 1724 00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:32,000 >> uh be installed in everybody's brains 1725 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,310 >> uh be installed in everybody's brains immediately, right? And so what's what's 1726 00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:34,320 immediately, right? And so what's what's 1727 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,990 immediately, right? And so what's what's missing is this awareness. So the first 1728 00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:36,000 missing is this awareness. So the first 1729 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,389 missing is this awareness. So the first thing is to build this awareness. build 1730 00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:38,399 thing is to build this awareness. build 1731 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:39,510 thing is to build this awareness. build this common knowledge. It's important 1732 00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:39,520 this common knowledge. It's important 1733 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,510 this common knowledge. It's important that everybody knows that everybody else 1734 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:41,520 that everybody knows that everybody else 1735 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,430 that everybody knows that everybody else knows or at least enough people. And 1736 00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:43,440 knows or at least enough people. And 1737 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,669 knows or at least enough people. And that's exactly what like we focus on at 1738 00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:45,679 that's exactly what like we focus on at 1739 00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:47,990 that's exactly what like we focus on at control AI both with lawmakers and with 1740 00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:48,000 control AI both with lawmakers and with 1741 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,549 control AI both with lawmakers and with the public. So with lawmakers we're 1742 00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:50,559 the public. So with lawmakers we're 1743 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,190 the public. So with lawmakers we're focusing on building this this awareness 1744 00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:53,200 focusing on building this this awareness 1745 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,590 focusing on building this this awareness in uh multiple countries so we can bring 1746 00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:55,600 in uh multiple countries so we can bring 1747 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,430 in uh multiple countries so we can bring about this international agreement. We 1748 00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:57,440 about this international agreement. We 1749 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,029 about this international agreement. We are working in the US, we're working in 1750 00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:59,039 are working in the US, we're working in 1751 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:00,549 are working in the US, we're working in the UK, we're working in Canada and 1752 00:30:00,549 --> 00:30:00,559 the UK, we're working in Canada and 1753 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,789 the UK, we're working in Canada and Germany and you know looking to expand 1754 00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:02,799 Germany and you know looking to expand 1755 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,510 Germany and you know looking to expand to more countries. So far we've in just 1756 00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:05,520 to more countries. So far we've in just 1757 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,909 to more countries. So far we've in just over a year we briefed uh hundreds of 1758 00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:07,919 over a year we briefed uh hundreds of 1759 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:10,230 over a year we briefed uh hundreds of lawmakers in these countries. We briefed 1760 00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:10,240 lawmakers in these countries. We briefed 1761 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,750 lawmakers in these countries. We briefed 170 plus in the UK uh more than 80 in 1762 00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:13,760 170 plus in the UK uh more than 80 in 1763 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,909 170 plus in the UK uh more than 80 in Canada uh that where we only started at 1764 00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:15,919 Canada uh that where we only started at 1765 00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:17,750 Canada uh that where we only started at the end of last uh in the second half of 1766 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:17,760 the end of last uh in the second half of 1767 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,510 the end of last uh in the second half of last year. We started in the US in the 1768 00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:19,520 last year. We started in the US in the 1769 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,789 last year. We started in the US in the second half of last year with only one 1770 00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:20,799 second half of last year with only one 1771 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,430 second half of last year with only one person. We now briefed uh over 90 1772 00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:23,440 person. We now briefed uh over 90 1773 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,750 person. We now briefed uh over 90 congressional offices and 18 members of 1774 00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:25,760 congressional offices and 18 members of 1775 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,269 congressional offices and 18 members of Congress and uh senators and more to do. 1776 00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:29,279 Congress and uh senators and more to do. 1777 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,630 Congress and uh senators and more to do. So this just this big work of informing 1778 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:32,640 So this just this big work of informing 1779 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,950 So this just this big work of informing lawmakers so they know about the risk 1780 00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:34,960 lawmakers so they know about the risk 1781 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,630 lawmakers so they know about the risk and in most of these meetings like the 1782 00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:36,640 and in most of these meetings like the 1783 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,230 and in most of these meetings like the most of the meetings it was maybe the 1784 00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:38,240 most of the meetings it was maybe the 1785 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,590 most of the meetings it was maybe the first time like the first time that they 1786 00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:39,600 first time like the first time that they 1787 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,909 first time like the first time that they had accurate 30 minutes with somebody to 1788 00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:41,919 had accurate 30 minutes with somebody to 1789 00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:43,669 had accurate 30 minutes with somebody to actually explain them what's going on 1790 00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:43,679 actually explain them what's going on 1791 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:45,830 actually explain them what's going on with AI where things are going they 1792 00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:45,840 with AI where things are going they 1793 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,350 with AI where things are going they might you know they might have a some 1794 00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:47,360 might you know they might have a some 1795 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,710 might you know they might have a some understanding of AI they might have used 1796 00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:48,720 understanding of AI they might have used 1797 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,870 understanding of AI they might have used GPD but they don't know that you know 1798 00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:50,880 GPD but they don't know that you know 1799 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,950 GPD but they don't know that you know even the CEOs admit this could kill 1800 00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:52,960 even the CEOs admit this could kill 1801 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,470 even the CEOs admit this could kill everybody they don't know that these 1802 00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:54,480 everybody they don't know that these 1803 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,830 everybody they don't know that these experts have made these warnings 1804 00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:55,840 experts have made these warnings 1805 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,350 experts have made these warnings >> they have no sophisticated understanding 1806 00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:57,360 >> they have no sophisticated understanding 1807 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,430 >> they have no sophisticated understanding I mean they they have a very demanding 1808 00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:59,440 I mean they they have a very demanding 1809 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,430 I mean they they have a very demanding job. They can't they're not able to keep 1810 00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:01,440 job. They can't they're not able to keep 1811 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,029 job. They can't they're not able to keep up with with all this stuff. 1812 00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:03,039 up with with all this stuff. 1813 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:03,830 up with with all this stuff. >> Exactly. 1814 00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:03,840 >> Exactly. 1815 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,470 >> Exactly. >> Okay. So, so the the the information 1816 00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:06,480 >> Okay. So, so the the the information 1817 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,350 >> Okay. So, so the the the information campaign has has been a great success. 1818 00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:09,360 campaign has has been a great success. 1819 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,750 campaign has has been a great success. All of the lawmakers are on board. We're 1820 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:11,760 All of the lawmakers are on board. We're 1821 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,710 All of the lawmakers are on board. We're starting to see um legislation in 1822 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:14,720 starting to see um legislation in 1823 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,549 starting to see um legislation in individual countries, but of course, as 1824 00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:16,559 individual countries, but of course, as 1825 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,630 individual countries, but of course, as we said, the the goal is an 1826 00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:18,640 we said, the the goal is an 1827 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,630 we said, the the goal is an international effort here. So, what does 1828 00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:20,640 international effort here. So, what does 1829 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,110 international effort here. So, what does that look like? I'm not very familiar. 1830 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:23,120 that look like? I'm not very familiar. 1831 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,389 that look like? I'm not very familiar. Obviously, there are international 1832 00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:24,399 Obviously, there are international 1833 00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:27,430 Obviously, there are international organizations that exist. Can this be 1834 00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:27,440 organizations that exist. Can this be 1835 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,190 organizations that exist. Can this be operating through an existing 1836 00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:29,200 operating through an existing 1837 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,110 operating through an existing organization? Does a new organization 1838 00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:31,120 organization? Does a new organization 1839 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,389 organization? Does a new organization have to be set up? How do we get the 1840 00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:32,399 have to be set up? How do we get the 1841 00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:35,430 have to be set up? How do we get the intern the international ban going? How 1842 00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:35,440 intern the international ban going? How 1843 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,029 intern the international ban going? How does what does that look like? 1844 00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:37,039 does what does that look like? 1845 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,509 does what does that look like? >> Yeah. So, I think the the best way for 1846 00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:39,519 >> Yeah. So, I think the the best way for 1847 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:43,110 >> Yeah. So, I think the the best way for that to get going is for countries to 1848 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:43,120 that to get going is for countries to 1849 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,190 that to get going is for countries to commit to it directly. I think right now 1850 00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:45,200 commit to it directly. I think right now 1851 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,750 commit to it directly. I think right now we're in a situation where uh existing 1852 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:47,760 we're in a situation where uh existing 1853 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,070 we're in a situation where uh existing international organizations are either 1854 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:50,080 international organizations are either 1855 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,470 international organizations are either not up to the task or you know they're 1856 00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:52,480 not up to the task or you know they're 1857 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,789 not up to the task or you know they're not trusted by like one or another 1858 00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:54,799 not trusted by like one or another 1859 00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:56,389 not trusted by like one or another country. So, but I think an 1860 00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:56,399 country. So, but I think an 1861 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:58,310 country. So, but I think an international agreement here can be done 1862 00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:58,320 international agreement here can be done 1863 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,789 international agreement here can be done by a group of countries that bands 1864 00:32:00,789 --> 00:32:00,799 by a group of countries that bands 1865 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,149 by a group of countries that bands together, you know, especially if the US 1866 00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:04,159 together, you know, especially if the US 1867 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:06,310 together, you know, especially if the US either leads the charge or joins after 1868 00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:06,320 either leads the charge or joins after 1869 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,870 either leads the charge or joins after after others lead the charge and says 1870 00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:08,880 after others lead the charge and says 1871 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,710 after others lead the charge and says very clearly, you know, we think super 1872 00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:12,720 very clearly, you know, we think super 1873 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,710 very clearly, you know, we think super intelligence is a massive threat to our 1874 00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:14,720 intelligence is a massive threat to our 1875 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,630 intelligence is a massive threat to our national security. So, it's against our 1876 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:16,640 national security. So, it's against our 1877 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,909 national security. So, it's against our individual interest. You they can be uh 1878 00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:19,919 individual interest. You they can be uh 1879 00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:22,149 individual interest. You they can be uh individually interested first and also 1880 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:22,159 individually interested first and also 1881 00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:24,549 individually interested first and also to global security. You know, if anybody 1882 00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:24,559 to global security. You know, if anybody 1883 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:25,590 to global security. You know, if anybody builds this 1884 00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:25,600 builds this 1885 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,190 builds this >> anywhere around the world, they are 1886 00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:27,200 >> anywhere around the world, they are 1887 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,110 >> anywhere around the world, they are compromising our security at home and 1888 00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:29,120 compromising our security at home and 1889 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,230 compromising our security at home and abroad. And we say no to that. And if we 1890 00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:32,240 abroad. And we say no to that. And if we 1891 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,029 abroad. And we say no to that. And if we have 1892 00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:33,039 have 1893 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:34,950 have >> enough countries on board with this, the 1894 00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:34,960 >> enough countries on board with this, the 1895 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,269 >> enough countries on board with this, the AI supply chain is quite narrow. Like 1896 00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:37,279 AI supply chain is quite narrow. Like 1897 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,669 AI supply chain is quite narrow. Like right now, most of the chips, the kind 1898 00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:39,679 right now, most of the chips, the kind 1899 00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:42,310 right now, most of the chips, the kind of supercomputers use to develop these 1900 00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:42,320 of supercomputers use to develop these 1901 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,789 of supercomputers use to develop these systems are very complicated to make. 1902 00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:44,799 systems are very complicated to make. 1903 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,110 systems are very complicated to make. They're made by a handful of companies. 1904 00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:47,120 They're made by a handful of companies. 1905 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,750 They're made by a handful of companies. There's uh you know, Nvidia basically 1906 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:49,760 There's uh you know, Nvidia basically 1907 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,509 There's uh you know, Nvidia basically designs almost all of the advanced 1908 00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:51,519 designs almost all of the advanced 1909 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,950 designs almost all of the advanced chips. uh they're fabricated mostly in 1910 00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:54,960 chips. uh they're fabricated mostly in 1911 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,430 chips. uh they're fabricated mostly in uh Taiwan in a few other locations. The 1912 00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:57,440 uh Taiwan in a few other locations. The 1913 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,110 uh Taiwan in a few other locations. The machines to make them are mostly made in 1914 00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:59,120 machines to make them are mostly made in 1915 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,470 machines to make them are mostly made in the Netherlands. So there's like a very 1916 00:33:00,470 --> 00:33:00,480 the Netherlands. So there's like a very 1917 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,110 the Netherlands. So there's like a very clear supply chain that can be 1918 00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:03,120 clear supply chain that can be 1919 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,870 clear supply chain that can be controlled. Um 1920 00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:04,880 controlled. Um 1921 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,549 controlled. Um >> and there can be a way to make sure that 1922 00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:06,559 >> and there can be a way to make sure that 1923 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:07,909 >> and there can be a way to make sure that countries that join the agreement, you 1924 00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:07,919 countries that join the agreement, you 1925 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:09,509 countries that join the agreement, you know, they monitor each other and they 1926 00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:09,519 know, they monitor each other and they 1927 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,549 know, they monitor each other and they make sure that no uh signatory or no 1928 00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:12,559 make sure that no uh signatory or no 1929 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,950 make sure that no uh signatory or no member of this deal is violating the 1930 00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:14,960 member of this deal is violating the 1931 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,230 member of this deal is violating the deal. And even if there are countries 1932 00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:16,240 deal. And even if there are countries 1933 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,750 deal. And even if there are countries that are outside of the agreement that 1934 00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:17,760 that are outside of the agreement that 1935 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,070 that are outside of the agreement that don't join the deal, the countries that 1936 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:20,080 don't join the deal, the countries that 1937 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,470 don't join the deal, the countries that make this agreement, they can make sure 1938 00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:22,480 make this agreement, they can make sure 1939 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,110 make this agreement, they can make sure that those countries don't get the 1940 00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:25,120 that those countries don't get the 1941 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,950 that those countries don't get the resources that they could use to build 1942 00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:26,960 resources that they could use to build 1943 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,149 resources that they could use to build super intelligence. So you can either 1944 00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:28,159 super intelligence. So you can either 1945 00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:30,389 super intelligence. So you can either join the deal and be monitored and uh 1946 00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:30,399 join the deal and be monitored and uh 1947 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:32,230 join the deal and be monitored and uh keep developing things or if you don't 1948 00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:32,240 keep developing things or if you don't 1949 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,110 keep developing things or if you don't join the deal, you will be limited from 1950 00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:35,120 join the deal, you will be limited from 1951 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,750 join the deal, you will be limited from accessing the AI resources. A bit like 1952 00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:37,760 accessing the AI resources. A bit like 1953 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,070 accessing the AI resources. A bit like we deal with nuclear weapons where we 1954 00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:40,080 we deal with nuclear weapons where we 1955 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,230 we deal with nuclear weapons where we monitor uranium, we monitor uranium 1956 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:42,240 monitor uranium, we monitor uranium 1957 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,070 monitor uranium, we monitor uranium stockpiles. We make sure that you know 1958 00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:44,080 stockpiles. We make sure that you know 1959 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,549 stockpiles. We make sure that you know countries don't enrich uranium so they 1960 00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:46,559 countries don't enrich uranium so they 1961 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:49,590 countries don't enrich uranium so they cannot get to building the the bomb and 1962 00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:49,600 cannot get to building the the bomb and 1963 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,310 cannot get to building the the bomb and we're and but the way we got there kind 1964 00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:52,320 we're and but the way we got there kind 1965 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,230 we're and but the way we got there kind of regardless of the details of the 1966 00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:54,240 of regardless of the details of the 1967 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,669 of regardless of the details of the agreement the most important thing is 1968 00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:55,679 agreement the most important thing is 1969 00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:57,669 agreement the most important thing is that we need the first step that we're 1970 00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:57,679 that we need the first step that we're 1971 00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:00,310 that we need the first step that we're missing is that we need the political 1972 00:34:00,310 --> 00:34:00,320 missing is that we need the political 1973 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,909 missing is that we need the political >> backing for this and the political 1974 00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:01,919 >> backing for this and the political 1975 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:03,350 >> backing for this and the political backing is not going to happen without 1976 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:03,360 backing is not going to happen without 1977 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,430 backing is not going to happen without the information right now most 1978 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:05,440 the information right now most 1979 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,190 the information right now most politicians just don't know if they 1980 00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:07,200 politicians just don't know if they 1981 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,190 politicians just don't know if they don't know they're not going to act with 1982 00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:09,200 don't know they're not going to act with 1983 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,909 don't know they're not going to act with nukes they understand this is a top 1984 00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:11,919 nukes they understand this is a top 1985 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:13,990 nukes they understand this is a top level national security threat and they 1986 00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:14,000 level national security threat and they 1987 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,589 level national security threat and they you know you have uh intelligence 1988 00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:15,599 you know you have uh intelligence 1989 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:16,950 you know you have uh intelligence agencies you have militaries like 1990 00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:16,960 agencies you have militaries like 1991 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,349 agencies you have militaries like focusing their work uh on making sure 1992 00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:19,359 focusing their work uh on making sure 1993 00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:21,669 focusing their work uh on making sure that this doesn't happen the nukes don't 1994 00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:21,679 that this doesn't happen the nukes don't 1995 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,669 that this doesn't happen the nukes don't proliferate we just don't have this with 1996 00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:23,679 proliferate we just don't have this with 1997 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,190 proliferate we just don't have this with super intelligence and so the first step 1998 00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:25,200 super intelligence and so the first step 1999 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,909 super intelligence and so the first step is to inform these governments inform 2000 00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:27,919 is to inform these governments inform 2001 00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,310 is to inform these governments inform the public so the public can can build 2002 00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:30,320 the public so the public can can build 2003 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,030 the public so the public can can build can build the the the pressure and can 2004 00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:33,040 can build the the the pressure and can 2005 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,950 can build the the the pressure and can build a wave to know to say to their 2006 00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:34,960 build a wave to know to say to their 2007 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,869 build a wave to know to say to their governments we want this to happen 2008 00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:36,879 governments we want this to happen 2009 00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:38,710 governments we want this to happen >> right that I think that's the key yeah 2010 00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:38,720 >> right that I think that's the key yeah 2011 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:40,389 >> right that I think that's the key yeah so everything you said makes perfect 2012 00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:40,399 so everything you said makes perfect 2013 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:41,990 so everything you said makes perfect sense so I I think it's very clear what 2014 00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:42,000 sense so I I think it's very clear what 2015 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,669 sense so I I think it's very clear what the path is for the governing bodies and 2016 00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:43,679 the path is for the governing bodies and 2017 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,629 the path is for the governing bodies and and for the bureaucratic machinery to to 2018 00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:46,639 and for the bureaucratic machinery to to 2019 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,470 and for the bureaucratic machinery to to get moving on this. And so then really 2020 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:48,480 get moving on this. And so then really 2021 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,510 get moving on this. And so then really the the the the the catalyst for all of 2022 00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:51,520 the the the the the catalyst for all of 2023 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,470 the the the the the catalyst for all of this is is um the urgency among the 2024 00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:54,480 this is is um the urgency among the 2025 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,790 this is is um the urgency among the public and and and and speaking out and 2026 00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:56,800 public and and and and speaking out and 2027 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,550 public and and and and speaking out and uh you know making making this an 2028 00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:58,560 uh you know making making this an 2029 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,829 uh you know making making this an important issue. So I guess uh you know 2030 00:35:01,829 --> 00:35:01,839 important issue. So I guess uh you know 2031 00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:03,589 important issue. So I guess uh you know in my in my previous video we did talk 2032 00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:03,599 in my in my previous video we did talk 2033 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,990 in my in my previous video we did talk about control AI's call to action and 2034 00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:06,000 about control AI's call to action and 2035 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,230 about control AI's call to action and and contacting lawmakers. let's maybe re 2036 00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:08,240 and contacting lawmakers. let's maybe re 2037 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,069 and contacting lawmakers. let's maybe re reiterate what they can do there and 2038 00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:10,079 reiterate what they can do there and 2039 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:11,589 reiterate what they can do there and then in addition is there anything else 2040 00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:11,599 then in addition is there anything else 2041 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,310 then in addition is there anything else that that the viewers at home can can do 2042 00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:14,320 that that the viewers at home can can do 2043 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,750 that that the viewers at home can can do to to accelerate and amplify this. 2044 00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:17,760 to to accelerate and amplify this. 2045 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,510 to to accelerate and amplify this. >> Yeah. So I think the the most important 2046 00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:19,520 >> Yeah. So I think the the most important 2047 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,829 >> Yeah. So I think the the most important thing that people can do is contact your 2048 00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:21,839 thing that people can do is contact your 2049 00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:23,109 thing that people can do is contact your lawmaker wherever you are. You know if 2050 00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:23,119 lawmaker wherever you are. You know if 2051 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:24,950 lawmaker wherever you are. You know if you're in the United States but also in 2052 00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:24,960 you're in the United States but also in 2053 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,870 you're in the United States but also in any other country around the world at 2054 00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:26,880 any other country around the world at 2055 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,710 any other country around the world at Control Air we made tools to make it 2056 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:28,720 Control Air we made tools to make it 2057 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,630 Control Air we made tools to make it really easy to contact your lawmakers in 2058 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:30,640 really easy to contact your lawmakers in 2059 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,109 really easy to contact your lawmakers in the US in the UK in Germany. I think 2060 00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:33,119 the US in the UK in Germany. I think 2061 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,829 the US in the UK in Germany. I think we're launching the Canadian tool soon 2062 00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:35,839 we're launching the Canadian tool soon 2063 00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:37,510 we're launching the Canadian tool soon and we're going to make more if there is 2064 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:37,520 and we're going to make more if there is 2065 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,950 and we're going to make more if there is demand. You know, if you're in a 2066 00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:38,960 demand. You know, if you're in a 2067 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,030 demand. You know, if you're in a different country, let us know. And 2068 00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:41,040 different country, let us know. And 2069 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,950 different country, let us know. And that's, you know, that's a thing that 2070 00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:42,960 that's, you know, that's a thing that 2071 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,030 that's, you know, that's a thing that can take you less than five minutes. 2072 00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:45,040 can take you less than five minutes. 2073 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,109 can take you less than five minutes. It's quick. It's very important is, you 2074 00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:47,119 It's quick. It's very important is, you 2075 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:48,470 It's quick. It's very important is, you know, the best way that as a citizen you 2076 00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:48,480 know, the best way that as a citizen you 2077 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,190 know, the best way that as a citizen you can get engaged. And if you know, if 2078 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:51,200 can get engaged. And if you know, if 2079 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,109 can get engaged. And if you know, if politicians never hear from you, they 2080 00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:53,119 politicians never hear from you, they 2081 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,390 politicians never hear from you, they they don't know that people care about 2082 00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:54,400 they don't know that people care about 2083 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,109 they don't know that people care about this. They're 2084 00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:55,119 this. They're 2085 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:55,510 this. They're >> they're 2086 00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:55,520 >> they're 2087 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,109 >> they're >> they don't have a strong reason. 2088 00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:57,119 >> they don't have a strong reason. 2089 00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,349 >> they don't have a strong reason. >> Yeah. and vice versa. You know, many of 2090 00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:59,359 >> Yeah. and vice versa. You know, many of 2091 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:01,589 >> Yeah. and vice versa. You know, many of them might start to be concerned and but 2092 00:36:01,589 --> 00:36:01,599 them might start to be concerned and but 2093 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,030 them might start to be concerned and but they want to know that there is public 2094 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:03,040 they want to know that there is public 2095 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,870 they want to know that there is public backing for this and this public backing 2096 00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:04,880 backing for this and this public backing 2097 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,870 backing for this and this public backing is like super super important. Then if 2098 00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:06,880 is like super super important. Then if 2099 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,950 is like super super important. Then if you have more time and uh you know the 2100 00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:08,960 you have more time and uh you know the 2101 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,829 you have more time and uh you know the link is at controli.com 2102 00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:11,839 link is at controli.com 2103 00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:13,910 link is at controli.com uh take-action 2104 00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:13,920 uh take-action 2105 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,589 uh take-action or just to go to control.com and there's 2106 00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:15,599 or just to go to control.com and there's 2107 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,030 or just to go to control.com and there's a big button to do it. Um, and if you 2108 00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:19,040 a big button to do it. Um, and if you 2109 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,109 a big button to do it. Um, and if you have more time, we made a platform 2110 00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:21,119 have more time, we made a platform 2111 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,510 have more time, we made a platform called uh microcomit that is made by 2112 00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:23,520 called uh microcomit that is made by 2113 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,589 called uh microcomit that is made by some partners of ours where you can sign 2114 00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:25,599 some partners of ours where you can sign 2115 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,589 some partners of ours where you can sign up to take a few more actions a week. 2116 00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:27,599 up to take a few more actions a week. 2117 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,030 up to take a few more actions a week. You know, let's say you have like 10 15 2118 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:29,040 You know, let's say you have like 10 15 2119 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,030 You know, let's say you have like 10 15 minutes a week. It's actions like like 2120 00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:31,040 minutes a week. It's actions like like 2121 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,270 minutes a week. It's actions like like these types of civic action things. They 2122 00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:33,280 these types of civic action things. They 2123 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,630 these types of civic action things. They come to your inbox and you can quickly 2124 00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:34,640 come to your inbox and you can quickly 2125 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,069 come to your inbox and you can quickly go through them and you know accept them 2126 00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:36,079 go through them and you know accept them 2127 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,710 go through them and you know accept them or refuse them and do them. And if you 2128 00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:38,720 or refuse them and do them. And if you 2129 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,030 or refuse them and do them. And if you have even more time, there is a great 2130 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:41,040 have even more time, there is a great 2131 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,030 have even more time, there is a great volunteer community called Torchbearer 2132 00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:43,040 volunteer community called Torchbearer 2133 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,750 volunteer community called Torchbearer that I am a member of that focusing on f 2134 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:45,760 that I am a member of that focusing on f 2135 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,109 that I am a member of that focusing on f focus on this where the commitment is 2136 00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:47,119 focus on this where the commitment is 2137 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:51,510 focus on this where the commitment is around two hours a week uh of working on 2138 00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:51,520 around two hours a week uh of working on 2139 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,510 around two hours a week uh of working on this issues and if you want to help out 2140 00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:53,520 this issues and if you want to help out 2141 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,829 this issues and if you want to help out please check it out torchbearer 2142 00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:55,839 please check it out torchbearer 2143 00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:58,630 please check it out torchbearer community and uh become a member. 2144 00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:58,640 community and uh become a member. 2145 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,310 community and uh become a member. >> Okay. Micro commit and torchbearer. 2146 00:37:00,310 --> 00:37:00,320 >> Okay. Micro commit and torchbearer. 2147 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,990 >> Okay. Micro commit and torchbearer. Yeah. beyond. I think everybody should 2148 00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:02,000 Yeah. beyond. I think everybody should 2149 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,910 Yeah. beyond. I think everybody should just, you know, really quick just uh 2150 00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:03,920 just, you know, really quick just uh 2151 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,670 just, you know, really quick just uh yeah, contact their lawmaker, get that 2152 00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:05,680 yeah, contact their lawmaker, get that 2153 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,750 yeah, contact their lawmaker, get that going, add add your voice to the to the 2154 00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:07,760 going, add add your voice to the to the 2155 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,710 going, add add your voice to the to the pile. 2156 00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:08,720 pile. 2157 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,589 pile. >> Um yeah, I mean that that's all I had. I 2158 00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:11,599 >> Um yeah, I mean that that's all I had. I 2159 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:13,990 >> Um yeah, I mean that that's all I had. I mean, I definitely I I I want to I'm 2160 00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:14,000 mean, I definitely I I I want to I'm 2161 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,430 mean, I definitely I I I want to I'm very thankful of people like you who 2162 00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:15,440 very thankful of people like you who 2163 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,109 very thankful of people like you who kind of devote all of your energy and 2164 00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:17,119 kind of devote all of your energy and 2165 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:18,470 kind of devote all of your energy and efforts towards this very particular 2166 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:18,480 efforts towards this very particular 2167 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,310 efforts towards this very particular problem. Me as a science communicator 2168 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:20,320 problem. Me as a science communicator 2169 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,390 problem. Me as a science communicator and a generalist, I'm just dealing with 2170 00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:22,400 and a generalist, I'm just dealing with 2171 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,990 and a generalist, I'm just dealing with So, it feels like spinning plates 2172 00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:24,000 So, it feels like spinning plates 2173 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,349 So, it feels like spinning plates sometimes. I'm just running around 2174 00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:25,359 sometimes. I'm just running around 2175 00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:26,870 sometimes. I'm just running around putting out all of these different fires 2176 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:26,880 putting out all of these different fires 2177 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,550 putting out all of these different fires and here's another one. Oh, we might all 2178 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:28,560 and here's another one. Oh, we might all 2179 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,670 and here's another one. Oh, we might all die from AI. Um it's just it's it's hard 2180 00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:31,680 die from AI. Um it's just it's it's hard 2181 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,670 die from AI. Um it's just it's it's hard to uh to process all of this stuff 2182 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:33,680 to uh to process all of this stuff 2183 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,750 to uh to process all of this stuff simultaneously. The ongoing political 2184 00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:35,760 simultaneously. The ongoing political 2185 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,670 simultaneously. The ongoing political turmoil and then these threats from the 2186 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:37,680 turmoil and then these threats from the 2187 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,150 turmoil and then these threats from the private sector. It's just uh it's a lot. 2188 00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:40,160 private sector. It's just uh it's a lot. 2189 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,270 private sector. It's just uh it's a lot. But um as as long as I can kind of um 2190 00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:43,280 But um as as long as I can kind of um 2191 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,950 But um as as long as I can kind of um you know shine shine a spotlight on 2192 00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:44,960 you know shine shine a spotlight on 2193 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,030 you know shine shine a spotlight on whoever is working on each individual 2194 00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:47,040 whoever is working on each individual 2195 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,630 whoever is working on each individual problem with all of their with all of 2196 00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:48,640 problem with all of their with all of 2197 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,470 problem with all of their with all of their might, uh I I think that's kind of 2198 00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:50,480 their might, uh I I think that's kind of 2199 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,390 their might, uh I I think that's kind of the best I can do. And and I do gain a 2200 00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:52,400 the best I can do. And and I do gain a 2201 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,390 the best I can do. And and I do gain a tinge of optimism hearing kind of this 2202 00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:54,400 tinge of optimism hearing kind of this 2203 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,270 tinge of optimism hearing kind of this very clear plan um that is in place to 2204 00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:57,280 very clear plan um that is in place to 2205 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,510 very clear plan um that is in place to to get this initiative going. So thanks 2206 00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:59,520 to get this initiative going. So thanks 2207 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,109 to get this initiative going. So thanks again for all your effort and uh yeah 2208 00:38:01,109 --> 00:38:01,119 again for all your effort and uh yeah 2209 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:02,470 again for all your effort and uh yeah thanks for talking to me. 2210 00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:02,480 thanks for talking to me. 2211 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,750 thanks for talking to me. >> Yeah thank you so much and thank you so 2212 00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:03,760 >> Yeah thank you so much and thank you so 2213 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,150 >> Yeah thank you so much and thank you so much for sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh 2214 00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:04,160 much for sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh 2215 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:04,230 much for sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh 2216 00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:04,240 2217 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:04,950 sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh shining light on these 2218 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:04,960 sh sh sh sh shining light on these 2219 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,950 sh sh sh sh shining light on these issues. Again, the work of people like 2220 00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:06,960 issues. Again, the work of people like 2221 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,470 issues. Again, the work of people like you is super important because it lets 2222 00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:08,480 you is super important because it lets 2223 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,910 you is super important because it lets people, you know, know what's actually 2224 00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:09,920 people, you know, know what's actually 2225 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,030 people, you know, know what's actually happening and it, you know, reaches 2226 00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:11,040 happening and it, you know, reaches 2227 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,390 happening and it, you know, reaches millions of people and that's what 2228 00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:12,400 millions of people and that's what 2229 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,710 millions of people and that's what actually makes change possible. So thank 2230 00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:14,720 actually makes change possible. So thank 2231 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:15,829 actually makes change possible. So thank you so much and thank you. 2232 00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:15,839 you so much and thank you. 2233 00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:17,750 you so much and thank you. >> That's all I can do. Yeah, thanks again. 2234 00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:17,760 >> That's all I can do. Yeah, thanks again. 2235 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,510 >> That's all I can do. Yeah, thanks again. Well, I hope that was as informative and 2236 00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:19,520 Well, I hope that was as informative and 2237 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,430 Well, I hope that was as informative and eye opening for you as it was for me. 2238 00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:21,440 eye opening for you as it was for me. 2239 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,349 eye opening for you as it was for me. I'm doing my best to approach this topic 2240 00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:23,359 I'm doing my best to approach this topic 2241 00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:25,510 I'm doing my best to approach this topic with humility, partially because tech is 2242 00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:25,520 with humility, partially because tech is 2243 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,670 with humility, partially because tech is very much not my forte and partially 2244 00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:27,680 very much not my forte and partially 2245 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,510 very much not my forte and partially because nobody knows exactly what's 2246 00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:29,520 because nobody knows exactly what's 2247 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,750 because nobody knows exactly what's going to happen. But Andrea and others 2248 00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:31,760 going to happen. But Andrea and others 2249 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,990 going to happen. But Andrea and others make compelling arguments such that I am 2250 00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:34,000 make compelling arguments such that I am 2251 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,750 make compelling arguments such that I am definitely convinced of a credible 2252 00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:35,760 definitely convinced of a credible 2253 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,470 definitely convinced of a credible extinction risk. Is it a certainty? No. 2254 00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:38,480 extinction risk. Is it a certainty? No. 2255 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,829 extinction risk. Is it a certainty? No. But when you are dealing with the 2256 00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:39,839 But when you are dealing with the 2257 00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:42,310 But when you are dealing with the destruction of the entire human species, 2258 00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:42,320 destruction of the entire human species, 2259 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,550 destruction of the entire human species, even a singledigit probability should be 2260 00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:44,560 even a singledigit probability should be 2261 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,630 even a singledigit probability should be enough to take it very seriously. And 2262 00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:46,640 enough to take it very seriously. And 2263 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,550 enough to take it very seriously. And this seems higher than that to me. I 2264 00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:48,560 this seems higher than that to me. I 2265 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,470 this seems higher than that to me. I find it very difficult to comprehend how 2266 00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:50,480 find it very difficult to comprehend how 2267 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,390 find it very difficult to comprehend how anyone could be completely unconcerned 2268 00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:52,400 anyone could be completely unconcerned 2269 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,630 anyone could be completely unconcerned about this eventuality. As to what will 2270 00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:54,640 about this eventuality. As to what will 2271 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,550 about this eventuality. As to what will happen next, the vast majority of us 2272 00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:56,560 happen next, the vast majority of us 2273 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,230 happen next, the vast majority of us will just have to wait on the sidelines 2274 00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:58,240 will just have to wait on the sidelines 2275 00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:59,910 will just have to wait on the sidelines and hope for the best. But in the 2276 00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:59,920 and hope for the best. But in the 2277 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,470 and hope for the best. But in the meantime, check out Control AI and voice 2278 00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:02,480 meantime, check out Control AI and voice 2279 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,670 meantime, check out Control AI and voice your concerns with your local 2280 00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:03,680 your concerns with your local 2281 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,520 your concerns with your local legislators. Until next time.