Hey everyone, as you know, I debunk all
kinds of frauds who pedal lies that
poison public perception of science. But
sometimes it's a good idea to highlight
innovative and inspirational science as
well. Stuff that actually helps the
environment and pushes humanity into the
future. Today, we will do just that. So,
let's get started. As I've said before,
most recently after this video,
disarming common climate change tropes.
Despite the pessimism that results from
watching things like climate change
denial become so widespread, I can
always regain some optimism by learning
about incredible new science. Science
that can potentially solve so many
industryinduced problems and bring us
towards greater sustainability. Some
examples would be techniques in
synthetic biology that I highlighted in
my biology series whereby genetically
engineered microorganisms can use
tailormade enzymes to mass-roduce useful
materials or even drugs thereby
relieving some of the demand for
petroleum. We can envision other
microorganisms that are engineered to
reduce the carbon content of the
atmosphere. But we are currently using
naturally occurring microbes for another
very important task and that is to
digest organic waste and turn it into
usable energy. We're talking about
taking food waste and agricultural
residue and converting it directly into
renewable fuel and electricity. This is
doubly impactful since we are taking
material that would be going to a
landfill where it actively does harm and
instead using it to generate energy,
thus reducing the need to harvest energy
through methods that are environmentally
harmful. It's the ultimate win-win.
While it may sound like magic, a company
called Aneria happens to be doing
precisely this. Eneria was founded in
2007 to develop and implement
industry-leading anorobic digesting and
resource recovery solutions towards
turning organic waste into renewable
energy. They went public in 2021 and now
have project sites in over 18 countries
along with around 300 patents and
technologies. This is huge progress in
the endeavor to make our civilization
more eco-friendly. Since diverting waste
from landfills is already great, but by
using that waste to make bio gas and
renewable natural gas, Eneria is
reducing methane and other greenhouse
gas emissions. So this could be one very
important puzzle piece towards solving
the climate crisis. So how does it all
work? First, let's talk about anorobic
digestion or AD. Anorobic means in the
absence of oxygen. So we are talking
about microorganisms that metabolize
organic waste in oxygen-free tanks. The
outputs of this process are something
called bio gas, which is mainly methane
and carbon dioxide, and digestate, a
mixture of nutrient-rich solids and
liquids that can be used as fertilizer.
When purified, bio gas becomes renewable
natural gas or RNG, which is the same as
the stuff we get from the ground since
both are mainly methane. The difference
is that RNG recycles carbon that's
already in the biosphere and prevents
methane emissions from landfills and
agriculture. So there's a reduction in
overall greenhouse gas impact. We don't
need to get too crazy with the details,
but briefly AD has four steps. First, in
hydrarolysis, enzymes break organic
polymers into monomers. So from
polysaccharides to simple sugars,
proteins to amino acids, and lipids to
longchain fatty acids and glycerol.
Then in acidogenesis, acidogenic
bacteria ferment those monomers into
volatile fatty acids like propionic,
butyric and lactic acids as well as CO2,
H2 and ammonia.
Next, in acidtogenesis, acettogenic
bacteria convert higher volatile fatty
acids and alcohols into acetic acid,
CO2, and H2. About 70% of the methane
produced is derived from acetate
reduction which describes our final step
in methanogenesis. Methanogenic archa
rather than bacteria convert acetate and
H2 plus CO2 to methane via two pathways.
The first is called acidtoclastic where
acetic acid yields methane and CO2 and
the second is called hydrogenotrophic
where CO2 and H2 yield methane and
water. The optimal pH for this process
is near 7 with an acceptable range of
6.5 to 8. There are some subtle
differences depending on which type of
fats are being broken down, but that's
the gist of it. So, as you can see, bio
gas production via this process is just
a controlled version of what nature has
done for millions of years. For those
who are unaware, fossil hydrocarbons
originated from organic matter like dead
plankton, algae, and plants, which were
buried in oxygen poor conditions and
converted over tens to hundreds of
millions of years through heat,
pressure, and microbial processes. The
initial stage of fossil fuel formation
is anorobic decomposition. What Energia
does is systematize and fasttrack that
same natural process in engineered
reactors, converting organic waste to
methane in weeks instead of huge spans
of geological time. Eneria utilizes a
lot of interesting tech to pull this off
on industrial scales. OREX and Clean Rex
are pre-treatment systems that remove
contaminants like plastics before the
waste enters the digtor. And this is
crucial because it is nearly impossible
to get the public to isolate their own
food waste for collection. A better
strategy is to come up with solutions
whereby the waste gets sorted precisely
as is. What's most fascinating about
this large-scale technology is how much
it hinges on our understanding of things
that are so small, namely microbial
ecology. Bacteria and archa are enacting
these metabolic pathways. And it's
already astounding that we have such a
sophisticated understanding of every
step in each of these pathways on the
molecular level. But that we can
actually harness these pathways to
achieve something useful in contrast
with other industrial processes that do
so much harm to the environment is even
more remarkable. Instead of increased
emissions, we are witnessing carbon
cycle closure since AD closes the
biogenic carbon loop unlike fossil fuels
which break the loop by pulling
sequestered geological carbon into the
atmosphere. Additionally, we must be
aware that landfill methane is roughly
84 times more potent than CO2 as a
greenhouse gas over a 20-year horizon.
This makes landfills the third largest
source of human-caused methane emissions
in the US, diverting food waste to AD,
actually captures that methane as usable
energy instead of letting it escape into
the atmosphere. Despite these early
successes, there is still room for
expansion. Bio gas and biomethane
currently represent about 6% of the EU's
total natural gas consumption. Denmark
is the global leader with biomemethane
already approaching 40% of national gas
consumption with a target of 70% by 2030
and 100% by 2035. There have already
been summer days where Danish biomethane
production exceeded total national gas
demand. So as you can see we are far
past the theoretical stage. This is
proven technology operating at scale and
growing. France, Italy, and Spain are
the fastest growing markets behind
Denmark, while Germany remains the
largest single producer. North America
is a little behind the curve, which
means the opportunity is enormous. The
science is the same, the feed stocks are
abundant, and the infrastructure to
receive pipeline quality RNG already
exists. Just for fun, let's get a quick
look at some of the sites so that you
can get an even better sense of how this
stuff works. Food waste in, natural gas
out may sound simple enough, but nothing
is ever that simple when working on an
industrial scale. The first huge
challenge is sorting through the trash,
which is usually just dumped into a huge
pit like this. This requires
state-of-the-art technology as it all
has to be broken down into fundamental
components. So, you'll see a lot of
conveyor belts, lots and lots of
conveyor belts. There are automatic bag
openers to open up all the bags for
sorting before leading to a coarse
separation unit. Additionally, there are
pickers that remove specific items by
hand. Disc screens separate out the
smaller organic material by size. All
manner of machinery is involved in this
task of separating everything into
specific components. Once this is
complete, recycled materials can be
sold, which offsets the cost of
operating the plant. Waste water is
collected and treated for reuse. The
organic portion on the other hand is
collected by intense pressurization and
the whole process is designed to yield
high organic recovery. Meaning they
squeeze as much organic juice as they
possibly can out of this trash. The
resulting material after additional
separation and polishing steps can then
be used for AD. This is done in
incredibly large digesttors that can
process a thousand tons of organics per
day. working in conjunction with
bioreactor tanks and equalization tanks.
In short, it's garbage in, green energy,
clean water, and fertilizer out with
only a very small portion of the input
then going to a landfill. To achieve all
of this, there are sites dedicated
specifically to waste reception, the
products of which go elsewhere to
undergo anorobic digestion as well as
bio gas upgrading, a complex multi-step
process which has been refined and
perfected over the past several decades.
So that's a brief introduction to how
this whole process works. But to get
more information, let's talk to engineer
Sasha Rowings Scattergood, the chief
technology officer of Eneria. As CTO, he
leads the company's global technology
platform across research and development
and the commercialization of Eneria's
proprietary systems worldwide. Here's
that discussion now. Sasha, thanks so
much for joining me. Uh, so I just kind
of took my viewers through the process
briefly. Uh, but now we can definitely
get into more detail. So talking about
waste, we're we're the whole process is
starting with waste. So um let's get a
little more specific. What kind of waste
are we talking about? What what are the
different feed stock sources you guys
use? That sort of thing.
>> Yeah, great. So we can pretty much
digest
uh a multitude of organic waste that's
produced in our society. Uh we break it
down into three main chunks. Uh the
first one being sewage sludge. So that's
like the waste water that you flush down
the toilet and once you separate the
solids from the liquids, it's um that's
the one big chunk waste water. The
second one is a lot of the organics that
coming from solid waste. So these are
what you you know drag out to your curb
at the uh end of the week. Um this could
include green bin organics like food
waste, but it could also be things that
you've tossed out in your black bag
trash. And then uh the third one is on
the agricultural side. There's a lot of
organic residue that is left behind by
the farmers. So, think when you've
harvested the corn, you still have all
that corn stock left over. Or when
you've harvested the wheat, there's all
the straw left over. And these products
have in the past just been left in the
field to decompose and act as a small
amount as a fertilizer. But if you
harvest those crops, bring them to a
biodigestertor, you can actually extract
the organics into bio gas and then still
return the fertilizer value out to the
field
>> and and and maybe one small additional
one is on the agri food side. So we
process a lot of you know agricultural
inputs into into food. So think potato
chips. Uh those you know potatoes that
don't quite meet the spec or the maybe
the off offsp spec potato chips
themselves can be brought out and
digested as well.
>> Cool. Yeah, that sounds very versatile.
I mean uh so it's a lot of literally
just the trash we're putting in the
black bins and then plus uh you know uh
resources from agricultural industry.
That sounds great. I mean in terms of
like so I saw you know a lot of footage
obviously there tre tremendous amounts
of trash that are being delivered. um
and then being sorted in different ways.
I mean I I can't even begin to imagine
the challenges that are associated with
that process of of of sorting and
everything. So um what are like can you
tell us about some of the barriers
associated with that with that uh
process? Are there like big
inefficiencies that were difficult to
solve initially or or or even remain
unsolved or how does all that work?
>> Yeah. So, anytime you're separating
waste, it's all just about finding out
what is the, you know, the specific
difference between the the the pile of
trash. Um, metal is a very easy one to
separate because we have magnets. Uh,
likewise, size separation is very
typical. However, before you size
separate, you usually have to tear open
the bags. So, that that's where we
usually start in a waste separation
plant. It's we'll tear open the bags.
You know, you throw it out in a big
black garbage bag. It's very difficult
to separate what's inside that bag. So
we'll usually tear that open and then do
some level of size separation. Could be
a disc screen, could be a trauml screen.
These are things that they'll have, you
know, a dinner plate size opening and
you let everything bigger than that pass
over and everything smaller go through.
And then we'll start getting into those
extrusion to separate organic flowable
material from more fibrous and solid
material. We'll use magnets. we'll use
something called an eddiurren which
actually separates aluminum through kind
of an inverse of a magnet. And then
lastly with the with optical sorting you
can actually separate even PET HDP and a
lot of the other plastics and recyclable
components.
>> That sounds yeah sounds pretty
sophisticated. Are are there any like
are there any specific substances or
items that you see cropping up a lot
that tend to interfere with the process
severely or like contaminate anything in
particular?
>> Yeah, one of the real tricky ones you
wouldn't think about it obviously
there's, you know, big starter motors or
an engine block. Those are difficult for
every waste plant. So, they tend to get
sorted out early in the process
>> uh by either the visual separation or or
a a shredder. But um the ones that are
actually really tricky are ropes. Ropes
and anything long and stringy because we
have a lot of rotating components. And
those rotating components tend to just
you know wrap those up. So a lot of the
design is as simple as it sounds. It's
just to kind of shred or sorry not shred
but shroud and protect the bearings from
allowing those ropes and strings and
twine to get in you know wrapped around.
>> That is interesting. Yeah. I mean, I
just can't like just thinking about how
many things go into the trash, right?
There's so many variables and like
unforeseen things that could that could
crop up. But uh but but it looks like I
mean you guys obviously have scaled up
tremendously. So so this uh sorting
process works very well. So now let's
let's move on, right? We've got the
waste in the form that you need. So
what's this is the this is the most
interesting part to me um in terms of
coming from like a chemistry molecular
biology background. We have these
bacteria. what are they doing? H how is
it happening mechanistically that
they're taking uh this this waste and
making bio gas and fertilizer and and
that sort of stuff?
>> Yeah, it's actually, you know, a process
that's been around for, you could argue,
you know, billions of years. the all of
our fossil fuels that we're currently
consuming now actually originated in a
very similar process of anorobic
digestion and then some additional ge
geological processes that heat and
pressure and converted into the fossil
fuels we know. But in the end, we're
just taking that original anorobic
digestion of plankton and algae and and
all those other organic material and
just bringing it into a much shorter
period of time. And essentially what's
happening is you know you have four
stages. You have hydraysis,
acettogenesis, acettogenesis and then
followed by methanogenesis.
And it's just a combination of biomass
that's eating up these organic materials
and converting it to CO2
uh some other trace gases and methane
and and that's what we're harnessing
throughout the process. Very
interestingly, it's it it is a
combination of bacteria and archa. And
there and these archa are really quite
fascinating because they've been around
since,
>> you know, billion years. And there's no
known bacteria that can do that process
of converting um hydrogen and acetic
acid into methane. And those archa are
really what are are being exploited
here. And we're doing so in a very much
an engineering process. You know, we
give them nice clean tanks with a
perfectly conditioned environment of 38
to 40 degrees C. We mix it very
intensely so that it's nice and
homogeneous and then you just feed them
and kind of waste them periodically and
they do the rest for us.
>> That is fascinating. I mean, yeah, it
it's it's it's we can't always think
that way of just like all of those
fossil fuels that we find in the earth,
they were created by these similar
processes. we just kind of you're
isolating them and giving them the ideal
conditions and uh you know uh pressurize
everything and just uh it's uh mimicking
uh natural processes just just speeding
them up incredibly. But um so it's very
interesting to me. I mean it seems like
this area is is experiencing a lot of
breakthrough and the mind kind of goes
wild, right? We're thinking into the
future. We're thinking of the
potentiality for like a truly circular
economy where just like 100% of all of
our waste is turned entirely into
renewable energy that supports
everybody. That's I mean it's kind of a
pipe dream, but is that realistic? Are
we anywhere near that kind of a
scenario? What do you envision for the
future with this technology?
>> Yeah, it's it is a utopic idea and there
are regions for example Denmark that's a
real lighthouse country. uh they've been
able to actually reach 40% of their
natural gas consumption comes from their
own domestically produced renewable
natural gas from dairy manure, organics,
food waste, all of these materials that
we talked about. And even in some summer
months, they've already hit 100% and
they're exporting. They're exporters of
natural gas. They have aspirations to
hit 100% within the next say 10 years.
When we look more broad, you know, the
European Union in general is about 6%
right now. So that's fairly that's
fairly good. Uh do I think we can get to
100% not just from organic waste alone,
but certainly we can make a a major dent
in it. And you can see if 6% alone
across Europe, we're not even close to
that here in in North America and in
Asia and Africa where the trash is being
accumulated at the fastest rate. That's
where you know the most population
growth, the most increase in standard of
living which ultimately creates the food
waste is happening and they're not even
started really with with organic to bio
gas. So it's definitely going to make a
critical role like we see already in
Europe at 6%. It it won't fully offset
it, but it can be definitely part of the
of the supply chain for natural gas.
>> Right. But that's I mean that's actually
fascinating to hear already. I mean,
obviously in certain regions it's going
to come first and then you have a proof
of concept and then it's simply an
economic barrier to implement globally,
but uh I I feel like the science is the
hard part. Well, I don't know if that's
true. Do you think the science is the
hard part or do you think that uh
globalization and all of the
bureaucratic barriers, do you think that
that's a bigger challenge?
Yeah, it it's likely is the bureaucratic
challenges because na renewable natural
gas is frankly speaking more expensive
than fossil natural gas. It's it's
easier to you know punch a hole in the
ground and pull the natural gas out than
it is to set up these bio facilities
that separate the waste,
>> use the anorobic digesttor to produce it
and then purify it and then dispose of
or beneficially re utilize the
digestate. So we need the incentives
from the countries
>> and Europe is ahead of that. Uh the US
was also making major motions. There's
other places South Korea. So we it is
more of the bureaucratic side because
the science is there. It's been proven
over you know three decades.
>> Yeah.
>> And now it's just a matter of of getting
it implemented and seeing it move
forward. Fortunately I I it is the right
thing to do with organic waste.
>> Right. Just like a over a hundred years
ago, we used to flush toilets and it
went right into the river. And then we
got smart to it. We started realizing,
no, no, this is crazy. We can't be
drinking from the river water that we,
you know, send our our sewage out.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Exactly. So, we're going to get
there. We're going to figure out that
it's crazy to put food waste into
landfills and it's crazy to like leave
these manurs in big holding tanks where
they burp out methane into the
environment. So we're we're going to get
around to it and so the policies will
follow.
>> Yeah, we have this tremendous other
application. It's just a matter of time.
I mean and and so you know we're talking
about biogas, but I also want to talk
about uh you're also getting this digest
state. So what is that? What is the
composition of this uh substance? Can we
use this as fertilizer? This is a whole
another application where we can
rejuvenate agriculture. Uh let's talk
about that.
>> Yeah, definitely. I I mean bio gas
plants in themselves are actually only
making about 10% of the weight that goes
into them as renewable natural gas. So
they're more a digestate factory than
they are really a renewable natural gas
facility. So that use of that digestate
is critically important. I'd say that
the major nutrients have not
disappeared. They've just changed form.
So a lot of the organic nitrogen becomes
more available forms of ammonia. Uh the
phosphorus is largely you know unchanged
or it's maybe converted a little bit to
ortho phosphates and things like uh
potassium are just left in solution. So
there's definitely opportunities. The
the simplest form is you just take the
liquid digestate out of the anorobic
digesttor and spread it onto land. And
this is great if you have arid climates
or you're you're located close to the
farmland. This isn't always the case
though. You have urban based anorobic
digesttors. In those situations, we
often use something called dewatering or
solid liquid separation. And we'll pull
the vast majority of the nutrients into
a solid cake. It looks like cookie dough
or a batter sort of material. And then
that could be more economically
transported off to compost facilities or
>> right onto the farmland. And the liquid
that's been separated could go to a
conventional wastewater treatment plant
or even be used for some dilution
purposes on site.
>> So I I yeah I mean I've heard of things
like phosphorus shortage and and stuff
like that. Is this at all a solution or
a partial solution to some of those
problems?
Yeah, for for sure it is because if you
throw that, you know, halfeaten
cheeseburger or leftover onion peels,
whatever it is, the food waste out into
the landfill, that phosphorus is lost
indefinitely
>> until we start mining landfills for the
for the materials that we threw away. Uh
whereas if you use the biodigtor, it
becomes available and you can transport
it safely back out into the farmland.
And you really do, as you put it, Dave,
you create that circularity and you you
make that, you know, perfect circle
where it's harvested, consumed,
recycled, returned to the land, and it's
a beautiful
>> to create more crops. We eat the food.
Yeah. Just keep it going, right? That's
>> exactly
>> to me how obviously what we should be
striving for. Um, in terms of so like we
know you guys have so many facilities
around the world as do other entities. I
mean so as you were saying like this the
proof of concept is there. You guys have
scaled up to large industrial facilities
very successfully. Um can you tell me
what that process was like? Were there
any unforeseen challenges or nonlinear
effect? Um you know what can that serve
as a lesson to other areas of the world
that may be trying to catch up and and
implement these processes themselves? Um
what was that all about?
Yeah, for sure. There was a lot of
learning. Uh the the cost or the cost of
the tuition was very high. So, we had to
solve many problems. And fortunately, we
have been able to implement it into our
plants. Now, uh types of mixers that we
use, how we pre-process the material
like shredding and grinding to make it
more accessible, how we do the
dewatering on the back end, those were
all lessons that we learned. And for
sure within Aneria we are trying to
scale all the way around the world. We
have offices in emerging economies like
Singapore and Japan and Australia and as
well all all throughout Europe. Uh so we
are aiming to spread those lessons
learned throughout the community and I
would say the bio gas space in general
is a collaborative one. We are looking
to support other firms and we use lots
of technologies that we buy off the
market as well and that allows for that
kind of cross-pollination and and uh and
sharing of the lessons learned
>> into I I've been doing a lot of you know
obviously uh I focus on my channel on on
science denial and climate change denial
is one of the most uh is one of the you
know most dilitterious forms of of
science denial and so in getting a sense
of where we're at with warming. How, you
know, 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial
heading towards two within the next 20,
30 years maximum. There are a lot of
solutions that people talk about that
are are going to be hard to implement,
but you guys are already doing something
that is curbing methane emissions and
and potentially other emissions. Do you
have any sense of what how much this
activity is slowing warming? Is it a
measurable amount that we can already
sense is starting to just at least buy
us a little bit more time to come up
with broader solutions?
>> Yeah, I mean I don't have the figures on
how much it is slowing it, but what we
know is around 45% of global warming is
caused by methane emissions and in fact
methane emissions from landfills is the
third largest source of of greenhouse
gas emissions in the world. And so when
we control that methane emissions, we're
we're almost certainly going to be
having a an impact on the total 1.5
degree increase in temperature as you as
you put it. And the reason for this is
methane has a on a very short timeline
like 20 years, it's actually 84 times
more impactful than CO2. So if you let
one molecule of methane out, it's 84
times worse than if you had to let one
molecule of CO2 out. And so it's it is
critically important that we do identify
these major sources of emission. And
fortunately, we're we're now seeing
technologies that are like mapping
landfills. And we thought it was a lot
less than it was before, but landfills
are absolute atrocities in terms of
emissions of methane. And we can see it
from both aerial views where we do
flyovers and as well using satellite
technology that looks down on the earth
and these massive plumes of greenhouse
gas emissions are coming belching out of
these landfills. So certainly
>> that's our top priority. Get stop
sending that food waste there
>> converted into bio energy.
>> Yeah. I mean there are these various
sources and I mean we're unfortunately
it won't put a dent in agriculture you
know or like u you know cows livestock
uh emitting methane but as you say you
know landfills third biggest source if
we are if we're actively moving towards
landfills not existing anymore right
that's that's absolutely incredible
progress um what what happened to all
the landfill like I remember when I was
a kid we would drive by this very
particular landfill uh it was like right
off the freeway and it smelled horrible.
Um, and then I don't think I've ever
seen a landfill since. What What has
happened? Where are the landfills at
this point?
>> Yeah, they're becoming increasingly
difficult to permit. So, landfills take,
you know, tens of years to allow.
>> You can imagine it's the nimiism, right?
Not in my backyard. It's going to stop
the the permitting of those. So, the
ones that do exist are getting
concentrated and and really heavily
utilized. Uh and and then it's kind of
the not see it as well. They're they're
getting really smart to putting up BMS
and and kind of keeping them out of out
of sight. Uh they are still there and
we'd love to see a future where they're
not there. We have plants across Europe
where we're diverting up to 90% of the
material. That's the recyclables, even
refuge derived fuels, organics, etc. So
there are processes to get all the way
up to 90% diversion. And in a future we
might see that landfills they'll likely
still exist but at a much smaller scale
and for a smaller fraction.
>> Sure. Sure. But but then additionally I
mean ideally in right in addition to no
longer bringing organic waste to to
landfills we also can at some point
trans transport all of the material in
landfills to to uh facilities like
yours. Is that in the works as well or
>> Yeah. So that the concept of mining
landfills is happening and we we have
seen it in developing nations where
they're extracting the material from
landfills and bringing them to to
pre-treatment facilities and usually
they're separating plastics and metals
and more of the the precious items.
>> But as a result, you usually end up with
an organic fraction that could be
digested or at least composted to form
say a a smaller amount of material.
>> Yeah. I mean, it's just it really is
incredible. I mean, you take an
underdeveloped nation that has that has
a waste problem and can't produce enough
energy and it's like, you guys, here you
go. Two birds, one stone. We just need
some infrastructure. We need an infusion
of uh, you know, an investment to get
the infrastructure going for all these
nations. But, um, to to me it's
inspiring. I mean, it anything that kind
of points to a more utopian future, you
know, at least somewhat is is something
that I get very excited about and can
get behind. Is there anything I I I
don't have any more questions, but if
you have anything to add in terms of
helping people how to uh get get more
hyped about this and share, you know,
share the news of this kind of
technology because I think most people
probably are not aware that this is
going on and um how they can kind of get
involved in voice support for this kind
of green tech.
>> Yeah, that good question. I I mean uh
one of the things day-to-day uh folks
can do is oftentimes utilities are one
of the main purchasers of the renewable
natural gas and there's programs you can
opt into which allow you to to select
renewable natural gas as a portion or as
your primary uh blend of natural gas
that you use for your home or business
etc.
uh and that's a great way to to support
the industry and provide that small
little bit of it's not a major increase
in the overall bills but it is a major
increase in the demand side for
renewable natural gas across the
industry.
>> Right. Absolutely. That's amazing. Um
yeah, thanks so much for talking to me.
>> Yeah, thank you Dave. It was it was
great to great to have a conversation.
>> Pretty inspiring though and also
rehabilitating in a way. We are so used
to recoiling in horror from the sight of
industrial landscapes like this. Now we
can juxtapose those with a similarly
industrial site that holds the precise
opposite connotation, one of progress
and environmental benefit. Will this
tech single-handedly save the world from
catastrophic climate change? Certainly
not. There's a lot of other work to be
done, but one would be hardpressed to
deny that this is an enormous step in
the right direction. The only thing that
can dampen environmentally damaging
activity is carbon negative yet still
profitable endeavors such as these. So
in this way, Eneria is undoubtedly
breaking barriers to sustainability.
I'll see you next time.