1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,750 Oh my gosh, I got the honor of Professor 2 00:00:03,750 --> 00:00:03,760 Oh my gosh, I got the honor of Professor 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,590 Oh my gosh, I got the honor of Professor Dave on the Timmy Gibson show. I cannot 4 00:00:06,590 --> 00:00:06,600 Dave on the Timmy Gibson show. I cannot 5 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,630 Dave on the Timmy Gibson show. I cannot believe it. Before we get started, my 6 00:00:08,630 --> 00:00:08,640 believe it. Before we get started, my 7 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:09,950 believe it. Before we get started, my name's Timmy Gibson. I'm a former 8 00:00:09,950 --> 00:00:09,960 name's Timmy Gibson. I'm a former 9 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,470 name's Timmy Gibson. I'm a former fundamental evangelical Bible thumpin' 10 00:00:12,470 --> 00:00:12,480 fundamental evangelical Bible thumpin' 11 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,670 fundamental evangelical Bible thumpin' tongue talkin' Holy Ghost rollin' 12 00:00:14,670 --> 00:00:14,680 tongue talkin' Holy Ghost rollin' 13 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,150 tongue talkin' Holy Ghost rollin' pastor. Did that for 30 years. I was a 14 00:00:17,150 --> 00:00:17,160 pastor. Did that for 30 years. I was a 15 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,985 pastor. Did that for 30 years. I was a creationist. 16 00:00:18,985 --> 00:00:18,995 creationist. 17 00:00:18,995 --> 00:00:19,950 creationist. >> [laughter] 18 00:00:19,950 --> 00:00:19,960 >> [laughter] 19 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,070 >> [laughter] >> I I thought Ken Ham was the the main 20 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:22,080 >> I I thought Ken Ham was the the main 21 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:25,390 >> I I thought Ken Ham was the the main man. So, I'm super excited to have 22 00:00:25,390 --> 00:00:25,400 man. So, I'm super excited to have 23 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,670 man. So, I'm super excited to have Professor Dave Professor Dave doesn't 24 00:00:27,670 --> 00:00:27,680 Professor Dave Professor Dave doesn't 25 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,710 Professor Dave Professor Dave doesn't know this, but he was really really 26 00:00:29,710 --> 00:00:29,720 know this, but he was really really 27 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,630 know this, but he was really really really critical in my 28 00:00:32,630 --> 00:00:32,640 really critical in my 29 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,190 really critical in my uh real not just my deconstruction, but 30 00:00:35,190 --> 00:00:35,200 uh real not just my deconstruction, but 31 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,630 uh real not just my deconstruction, but my reconstruction process because um you 32 00:00:38,630 --> 00:00:38,640 my reconstruction process because um you 33 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,190 my reconstruction process because um you know, up until I think I came out as an 34 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:41,200 know, up until I think I came out as an 35 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,830 know, up until I think I came out as an atheist maybe 3 4 years ago, but just 36 00:00:44,830 --> 00:00:44,840 atheist maybe 3 4 years ago, but just 37 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,790 atheist maybe 3 4 years ago, but just 7 8 years ago, I was a creation 38 00:00:47,790 --> 00:00:47,800 7 8 years ago, I was a creation 39 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,910 7 8 years ago, I was a creation believing Adam and Eve Noah's Ark 40 00:00:49,910 --> 00:00:49,920 believing Adam and Eve Noah's Ark 41 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,470 believing Adam and Eve Noah's Ark believing Jonah was swallowed by a big 42 00:00:51,470 --> 00:00:51,480 believing Jonah was swallowed by a big 43 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:53,190 believing Jonah was swallowed by a big fish like all that [\h__\h] 44 00:00:53,190 --> 00:00:53,200 fish like all that [\h__\h] 45 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,910 fish like all that [\h__\h] I believe that to be absolutely fact. 46 00:00:55,910 --> 00:00:55,920 I believe that to be absolutely fact. 47 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,510 I believe that to be absolutely fact. And that science was the enemy of God. 48 00:00:58,510 --> 00:00:58,520 And that science was the enemy of God. 49 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,910 And that science was the enemy of God. And science was the devil. 50 00:01:00,910 --> 00:01:00,920 And science was the devil. 51 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,430 And science was the devil. It's questionable whether even dinosaurs 52 00:01:02,430 --> 00:01:02,440 It's questionable whether even dinosaurs 53 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,350 It's questionable whether even dinosaurs existed. So, I think Dave 54 00:01:05,350 --> 00:01:05,360 existed. So, I think Dave 55 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,430 existed. So, I think Dave you know, 56 00:01:06,430 --> 00:01:06,440 you know, 57 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,670 you know, really really really helped me 58 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:09,680 really really really helped me 59 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,430 really really really helped me uh deconstruct all that stuff and really 60 00:01:12,430 --> 00:01:12,440 uh deconstruct all that stuff and really 61 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,990 uh deconstruct all that stuff and really reconstruct you know, scientific facts. 62 00:01:14,990 --> 00:01:15,000 reconstruct you know, scientific facts. 63 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:15,510 reconstruct you know, scientific facts. >> Yeah. 64 00:01:15,510 --> 00:01:15,520 >> Yeah. 65 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,830 >> Yeah. >> So, thank you man. Yeah, I know that's 66 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:17,840 >> So, thank you man. Yeah, I know that's 67 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,110 >> So, thank you man. Yeah, I know that's what you're doing. That's what your 68 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:19,120 what you're doing. That's what your 69 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,990 what you're doing. That's what your channel is about is helping people learn 70 00:01:20,990 --> 00:01:21,000 channel is about is helping people learn 71 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,470 channel is about is helping people learn science and I just wanted you to know 72 00:01:22,470 --> 00:01:22,480 science and I just wanted you to know 73 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,910 science and I just wanted you to know that it it has helped me and I'm a 74 00:01:24,910 --> 00:01:24,920 that it it has helped me and I'm a 75 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,590 that it it has helped me and I'm a former creationist. So. 76 00:01:26,590 --> 00:01:26,600 former creationist. So. 77 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:27,950 former creationist. So. >> Amazing. Yeah. 78 00:01:27,950 --> 00:01:27,960 >> Amazing. Yeah. 79 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:29,150 >> Amazing. Yeah. I'm happy to hear it. Yeah, that's 80 00:01:29,150 --> 00:01:29,160 I'm happy to hear it. Yeah, that's 81 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,430 I'm happy to hear it. Yeah, that's that's the goal for to get thousands or 82 00:01:31,430 --> 00:01:31,440 that's the goal for to get thousands or 83 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,230 that's the goal for to get thousands or even millions such such people on the 84 00:01:34,230 --> 00:01:34,240 even millions such such people on the 85 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:35,230 even millions such such people on the path. Yeah. 86 00:01:35,230 --> 00:01:35,240 path. Yeah. 87 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,870 path. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I guess a couple initial 88 00:01:37,870 --> 00:01:37,880 >> Yeah. So, I guess a couple initial 89 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,910 >> Yeah. So, I guess a couple initial questions like what what got you started 90 00:01:39,910 --> 00:01:39,920 questions like what what got you started 91 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,630 questions like what what got you started in this? Like were you raised Christian 92 00:01:41,630 --> 00:01:41,640 in this? Like were you raised Christian 93 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,470 in this? Like were you raised Christian or you've always been 94 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:43,480 or you've always been 95 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,270 or you've always been >> No 96 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:44,280 >> No 97 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,990 >> No never been religious for a single second 98 00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:46,000 never been religious for a single second 99 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,910 never been religious for a single second in my entire life. 100 00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:47,920 in my entire life. 101 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:48,710 in my entire life. >> Lucky you. 102 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:48,720 >> Lucky you. 103 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,630 >> Lucky you. >> I just I I dodged that bullet. I mean, 104 00:01:50,630 --> 00:01:50,640 >> I just I I dodged that bullet. I mean, 105 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,150 >> I just I I dodged that bullet. I mean, my my parents are Italian immigrants and 106 00:01:54,150 --> 00:01:54,160 my my parents are Italian immigrants and 107 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,750 my my parents are Italian immigrants and there's in in Italy 108 00:01:56,750 --> 00:01:56,760 there's in in Italy 109 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,430 there's in in Italy I I there's like a little bit of uh 110 00:01:59,430 --> 00:01:59,440 I I there's like a little bit of uh 111 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,310 I I there's like a little bit of uh I don't know. They witnessed the 112 00:02:00,310 --> 00:02:00,320 I don't know. They witnessed the 113 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,790 I don't know. They witnessed the corruption of the Catholic Church just 114 00:02:01,790 --> 00:02:01,800 corruption of the Catholic Church just 115 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,390 corruption of the Catholic Church just like really right there and it's just 116 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:03,400 like really right there and it's just 117 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,750 like really right there and it's just like I I I think there's there's a 118 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:05,760 like I I I think there's there's a 119 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,310 like I I I think there's there's a there's a disdain there's like a 120 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:07,320 there's a disdain there's like a 121 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,469 there's a disdain there's like a cultural commitment to to religiosity, 122 00:02:09,469 --> 00:02:09,479 cultural commitment to to religiosity, 123 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:11,630 cultural commitment to to religiosity, but it's like a secular religiosity. I I 124 00:02:11,630 --> 00:02:11,640 but it's like a secular religiosity. I I 125 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,350 but it's like a secular religiosity. I I don't know. It's It's hard to describe. 126 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:13,360 don't know. It's It's hard to describe. 127 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,470 don't know. It's It's hard to describe. Obviously, there's super religious 128 00:02:14,470 --> 00:02:14,480 Obviously, there's super religious 129 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,670 Obviously, there's super religious people everywhere, but um but yeah, my 130 00:02:16,670 --> 00:02:16,680 people everywhere, but um but yeah, my 131 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,910 people everywhere, but um but yeah, my dad, you know, was raised in religion 132 00:02:18,910 --> 00:02:18,920 dad, you know, was raised in religion 133 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,510 dad, you know, was raised in religion and and rejected it at age like 10 or 134 00:02:21,510 --> 00:02:21,520 and and rejected it at age like 10 or 135 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,470 and and rejected it at age like 10 or something. You know what I mean? Just 136 00:02:22,470 --> 00:02:22,480 something. You know what I mean? Just 137 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,150 something. You know what I mean? Just kind of like, "Yeah, this is all dumb." 138 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:24,160 kind of like, "Yeah, this is all dumb." 139 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,070 kind of like, "Yeah, this is all dumb." >> It's [\h__\h] 140 00:02:25,070 --> 00:02:25,080 >> It's [\h__\h] 141 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,830 >> It's [\h__\h] >> Yeah. And my mom similarly, I mean, I 142 00:02:27,830 --> 00:02:27,840 >> Yeah. And my mom similarly, I mean, I 143 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,990 >> Yeah. And my mom similarly, I mean, I think she still believes in God, but uh 144 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:30,000 think she still believes in God, but uh 145 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,030 think she still believes in God, but uh I don't Yeah, she's not. I mean, so I I 146 00:02:32,030 --> 00:02:32,040 I don't Yeah, she's not. I mean, so I I 147 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,230 I don't Yeah, she's not. I mean, so I I was raised in a complete vacuum. Nothing 148 00:02:34,230 --> 00:02:34,240 was raised in a complete vacuum. Nothing 149 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,470 was raised in a complete vacuum. Nothing uttered Nothing was uttered to me of a 150 00:02:36,470 --> 00:02:36,480 uttered Nothing was uttered to me of a 151 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,990 uttered Nothing was uttered to me of a religious nature at all. And so, my 152 00:02:38,990 --> 00:02:39,000 religious nature at all. And so, my 153 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,750 religious nature at all. And so, my first exposure to it was school when I 154 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:40,760 first exposure to it was school when I 155 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,910 first exposure to it was school when I was 5 or 6 years old and I started 156 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:42,920 was 5 or 6 years old and I started 157 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:45,070 was 5 or 6 years old and I started hearing Jesus this and blah blah blah 158 00:02:45,070 --> 00:02:45,080 hearing Jesus this and blah blah blah 159 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,630 hearing Jesus this and blah blah blah and I'm like, "What are you guys talking 160 00:02:46,630 --> 00:02:46,640 and I'm like, "What are you guys talking 161 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:49,150 and I'm like, "What are you guys talking about?" Like So, it all sounded 162 00:02:49,150 --> 00:02:49,160 about?" Like So, it all sounded 163 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,990 about?" Like So, it all sounded ridiculous to me always. It never It 164 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:52,000 ridiculous to me always. It never It 165 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,150 ridiculous to me always. It never It just It It very as it should sounded 166 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:56,160 just It It very as it should sounded 167 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,870 just It It very as it should sounded like stories to me. 168 00:02:58,870 --> 00:02:58,880 like stories to me. 169 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,470 like stories to me. Cuz that's what it is. So, you know. 170 00:03:00,470 --> 00:03:00,480 Cuz that's what it is. So, you know. 171 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,750 Cuz that's what it is. So, you know. >> That's exactly. You know, what's 172 00:03:02,750 --> 00:03:02,760 >> That's exactly. You know, what's 173 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,670 >> That's exactly. You know, what's interesting because in in this journey, 174 00:03:04,670 --> 00:03:04,680 interesting because in in this journey, 175 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,509 interesting because in in this journey, you know, I'm so fresh into it and 176 00:03:08,509 --> 00:03:08,519 you know, I'm so fresh into it and 177 00:03:08,519 --> 00:03:10,350 you know, I'm so fresh into it and there's things that and I've I've 178 00:03:10,350 --> 00:03:10,360 there's things that and I've I've 179 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,670 there's things that and I've I've watched a lot of your stuff because like 180 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:12,680 watched a lot of your stuff because like 181 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,670 watched a lot of your stuff because like I said, it's it's helping me 182 00:03:14,670 --> 00:03:14,680 I said, it's it's helping me 183 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,670 I said, it's it's helping me transform my mind, you know, to to learn 184 00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:16,680 transform my mind, you know, to to learn 185 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,550 transform my mind, you know, to to learn the truth. 186 00:03:17,550 --> 00:03:17,560 the truth. 187 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:17,990 the truth. >> Mhm. 188 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:18,000 >> Mhm. 189 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:18,870 >> Mhm. >> You know, especially with the things 190 00:03:18,870 --> 00:03:18,880 >> You know, especially with the things 191 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,710 >> You know, especially with the things that we know. That's the thing that's so 192 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:20,720 that we know. That's the thing that's so 193 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,590 that we know. That's the thing that's so curious. Here I was, you know, as a 194 00:03:23,590 --> 00:03:23,600 curious. Here I was, you know, as a 195 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,710 curious. Here I was, you know, as a preacher that didn't know [\h__\h] about 196 00:03:25,710 --> 00:03:25,720 preacher that didn't know [\h__\h] about 197 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,710 preacher that didn't know [\h__\h] about science or biology or anything and here 198 00:03:28,710 --> 00:03:28,720 science or biology or anything and here 199 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,630 science or biology or anything and here I'm claiming to debunk 200 00:03:31,630 --> 00:03:31,640 I'm claiming to debunk 201 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:33,430 I'm claiming to debunk evolution and saying, you know, I don't 202 00:03:33,430 --> 00:03:33,440 evolution and saying, you know, I don't 203 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,270 evolution and saying, you know, I don't come from no monkey. You know, I would 204 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:35,280 come from no monkey. You know, I would 205 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,990 come from no monkey. You know, I would say all these ridiculous things 206 00:03:37,990 --> 00:03:38,000 say all these ridiculous things 207 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,870 say all these ridiculous things and it was from ignorance. I didn't 208 00:03:39,870 --> 00:03:39,880 and it was from ignorance. I didn't 209 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:40,949 and it was from ignorance. I didn't know. 210 00:03:40,949 --> 00:03:40,959 know. 211 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:43,470 know. And so, even 212 00:03:43,470 --> 00:03:43,480 And so, even 213 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,030 And so, even >> Yeah, you're repeating you're repeating 214 00:03:45,030 --> 00:03:45,040 >> Yeah, you're repeating you're repeating 215 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,910 >> Yeah, you're repeating you're repeating what you were told because you feel that 216 00:03:47,910 --> 00:03:47,920 what you were told because you feel that 217 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,830 what you were told because you feel that due to your ideology, you have a team 218 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:49,840 due to your ideology, you have a team 219 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,590 due to your ideology, you have a team and and you're repeating what you 220 00:03:51,590 --> 00:03:51,600 and and you're repeating what you 221 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,390 and and you're repeating what you perceive to be the best talking points 222 00:03:53,390 --> 00:03:53,400 perceive to be the best talking points 223 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,830 perceive to be the best talking points from the wisest people among your team 224 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:55,840 from the wisest people among your team 225 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,750 from the wisest people among your team and your camp, you know, so Ken Ham or 226 00:03:57,750 --> 00:03:57,760 and your camp, you know, so Ken Ham or 227 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,310 and your camp, you know, so Ken Ham or whoever, you know, that is a credible 228 00:04:00,310 --> 00:04:00,320 whoever, you know, that is a credible 229 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,070 whoever, you know, that is a credible source to you at that time because they 230 00:04:02,070 --> 00:04:02,080 source to you at that time because they 231 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,430 source to you at that time because they reinforce the ideology that you're 232 00:04:04,430 --> 00:04:04,440 reinforce the ideology that you're 233 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,190 reinforce the ideology that you're tethered to and very emotionally bound 234 00:04:06,190 --> 00:04:06,200 tethered to and very emotionally bound 235 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,230 tethered to and very emotionally bound to. So, I mean, that's what thousands of 236 00:04:09,230 --> 00:04:09,240 to. So, I mean, that's what thousands of 237 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,430 to. So, I mean, that's what thousands of people are doing, you know. 238 00:04:10,430 --> 00:04:10,440 people are doing, you know. 239 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:11,830 people are doing, you know. >> Yeah, and that's what's also interesting 240 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:11,840 >> Yeah, and that's what's also interesting 241 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,350 >> Yeah, and that's what's also interesting when I would watch some of your videos, 242 00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:13,360 when I would watch some of your videos, 243 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,910 when I would watch some of your videos, I remember 244 00:04:14,910 --> 00:04:14,920 I remember 245 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,150 I remember knowing in my head that what you were 246 00:04:17,150 --> 00:04:17,160 knowing in my head that what you were 247 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,590 knowing in my head that what you were saying was based upon factual evidence, 248 00:04:20,590 --> 00:04:20,600 saying was based upon factual evidence, 249 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,550 saying was based upon factual evidence, but [snorts] 250 00:04:21,550 --> 00:04:21,560 but [snorts] 251 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,070 but [snorts] something else in me just automatically 252 00:04:25,070 --> 00:04:25,080 something else in me just automatically 253 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,710 something else in me just automatically felt like that was wrong. 254 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:27,720 felt like that was wrong. 255 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:28,030 felt like that was wrong. >> Mhm. 256 00:04:28,030 --> 00:04:28,040 >> Mhm. 257 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,070 >> Mhm. >> And what was the creation side felt 258 00:04:31,070 --> 00:04:31,080 >> And what was the creation side felt 259 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,310 >> And what was the creation side felt right. 260 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:32,320 right. 261 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,310 right. You know, like it was like there was 262 00:04:33,310 --> 00:04:33,320 You know, like it was like there was 263 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,430 You know, like it was like there was this it was a feeling and I just I knew 264 00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:35,440 this it was a feeling and I just I knew 265 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,710 this it was a feeling and I just I knew that like Timmy, this is just a feeling 266 00:04:37,710 --> 00:04:37,720 that like Timmy, this is just a feeling 267 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,310 that like Timmy, this is just a feeling that you're having. This feelings don't 268 00:04:39,310 --> 00:04:39,320 that you're having. This feelings don't 269 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,270 that you're having. This feelings don't equal truth. It's just this is all 270 00:04:42,270 --> 00:04:42,280 equal truth. It's just this is all 271 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:43,430 equal truth. It's just this is all you've ever heard, this is all you've 272 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:43,440 you've ever heard, this is all you've 273 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,790 you've ever heard, this is all you've ever known, and so it just aligns with 274 00:04:45,790 --> 00:04:45,800 ever known, and so it just aligns with 275 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,150 ever known, and so it just aligns with your already, like you said, my my my 276 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:48,160 your already, like you said, my my my 277 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,190 your already, like you said, my my my beliefs already. 278 00:04:49,190 --> 00:04:49,200 beliefs already. 279 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,430 beliefs already. >> And it's even more than that because 280 00:04:50,430 --> 00:04:50,440 >> And it's even more than that because 281 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,909 >> And it's even more than that because it's not just a default this thing came 282 00:04:52,909 --> 00:04:52,919 it's not just a default this thing came 283 00:04:52,919 --> 00:04:55,790 it's not just a default this thing came first, but it's also tethered to 284 00:04:55,790 --> 00:04:55,800 first, but it's also tethered to 285 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:56,710 first, but it's also tethered to I don't want to speak for you 286 00:04:56,710 --> 00:04:56,720 I don't want to speak for you 287 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,270 I don't want to speak for you personally, but for many a fear of 288 00:04:58,270 --> 00:04:58,280 personally, but for many a fear of 289 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,310 personally, but for many a fear of mortality, right? You it's tethered to a 290 00:05:00,310 --> 00:05:00,320 mortality, right? You it's tethered to a 291 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,950 mortality, right? You it's tethered to a belief in an afterlife that you think 292 00:05:01,950 --> 00:05:01,960 belief in an afterlife that you think 293 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,790 belief in an afterlife that you think you're going to get and if you're 294 00:05:03,790 --> 00:05:03,800 you're going to get and if you're 295 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,790 you're going to get and if you're debunking the religion, you're debunking 296 00:05:05,790 --> 00:05:05,800 debunking the religion, you're debunking 297 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,830 debunking the religion, you're debunking the afterlife aspect of it. So, there's 298 00:05:07,830 --> 00:05:07,840 the afterlife aspect of it. So, there's 299 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:10,030 the afterlife aspect of it. So, there's a there's a lot of emotional baggage. 300 00:05:10,030 --> 00:05:10,040 a there's a lot of emotional baggage. 301 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:10,630 a there's a lot of emotional baggage. >> Yeah. 302 00:05:10,630 --> 00:05:10,640 >> Yeah. 303 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,430 >> Yeah. >> With with breaking free from that, yeah. 304 00:05:12,430 --> 00:05:12,440 >> With with breaking free from that, yeah. 305 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,390 >> With with breaking free from that, yeah. >> Yeah, especially, you know, my 306 00:05:13,390 --> 00:05:13,400 >> Yeah, especially, you know, my 307 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,310 >> Yeah, especially, you know, my situation, it was my career. I mean, it 308 00:05:15,310 --> 00:05:15,320 situation, it was my career. I mean, it 309 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,830 situation, it was my career. I mean, it was what I was doing for a living, you 310 00:05:16,830 --> 00:05:16,840 was what I was doing for a living, you 311 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:18,950 was what I was doing for a living, you know, so it wasn't just unwinding like 312 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:18,960 know, so it wasn't just unwinding like 313 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,390 know, so it wasn't just unwinding like something I did on Sundays. 314 00:05:20,390 --> 00:05:20,400 something I did on Sundays. 315 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:20,943 something I did on Sundays. >> Yeah. 316 00:05:20,943 --> 00:05:20,953 >> Yeah. 317 00:05:20,953 --> 00:05:21,470 >> Yeah. >> [laughter] 318 00:05:21,470 --> 00:05:21,480 >> [laughter] 319 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,710 >> [laughter] >> Exactly, yeah. 320 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:22,720 >> Exactly, yeah. 321 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,270 >> Exactly, yeah. >> Uh so, let me throw some questions at 322 00:05:24,270 --> 00:05:24,280 >> Uh so, let me throw some questions at 323 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,230 >> Uh so, let me throw some questions at you 324 00:05:25,230 --> 00:05:25,240 you 325 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,230 you um that some of the things that these 326 00:05:27,230 --> 00:05:27,240 um that some of the things that these 327 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,350 um that some of the things that these are things that I used to say, um but I 328 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:29,360 are things that I used to say, um but I 329 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,390 are things that I used to say, um but I am curious also, what would be the most 330 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:31,400 am curious also, what would be the most 331 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,470 am curious also, what would be the most common creationist arguments 332 00:05:34,470 --> 00:05:34,480 common creationist arguments 333 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,150 common creationist arguments uh that are that are out there? Like the 334 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:36,160 uh that are that are out there? Like the 335 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,390 uh that are that are out there? Like the top three or so that that are just super 336 00:05:38,390 --> 00:05:38,400 top three or so that that are just super 337 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:38,990 top three or so that that are just super common. 338 00:05:38,990 --> 00:05:39,000 common. 339 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,190 common. >> Yeah, I mean, obviously the most common 340 00:05:41,190 --> 00:05:41,200 >> Yeah, I mean, obviously the most common 341 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,030 >> Yeah, I mean, obviously the most common one and there are sort of gradations of 342 00:05:45,030 --> 00:05:45,040 one and there are sort of gradations of 343 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,230 one and there are sort of gradations of how sophisticated this is, but everyone 344 00:05:47,230 --> 00:05:47,240 how sophisticated this is, but everyone 345 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,270 how sophisticated this is, but everyone from like Kent Hovind all the way to 346 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:49,280 from like Kent Hovind all the way to 347 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:51,110 from like Kent Hovind all the way to Discovery Institute 348 00:05:51,110 --> 00:05:51,120 Discovery Institute 349 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,270 Discovery Institute try to pretend that there's just no way 350 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:53,280 try to pretend that there's just no way 351 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:55,870 try to pretend that there's just no way for new forms to arise. How can How can 352 00:05:55,870 --> 00:05:55,880 for new forms to arise. How can How can 353 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,190 for new forms to arise. How can How can you get a new kind of animal, you know, 354 00:05:58,190 --> 00:05:58,200 you get a new kind of animal, you know, 355 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,990 you get a new kind of animal, you know, whatever whether they say kind or 356 00:05:59,990 --> 00:06:00,000 whatever whether they say kind or 357 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,510 whatever whether they say kind or species, whether they use more educated 358 00:06:02,510 --> 00:06:02,520 species, whether they use more educated 359 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,350 species, whether they use more educated sophisticated language or or just Bible 360 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:05,360 sophisticated language or or just Bible 361 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,230 sophisticated language or or just Bible thumping preachers, they all just just 362 00:06:08,230 --> 00:06:08,240 thumping preachers, they all just just 363 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,990 thumping preachers, they all just just try to peddle this disbelief that nature 364 00:06:10,990 --> 00:06:11,000 try to peddle this disbelief that nature 365 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,430 try to peddle this disbelief that nature can can can change a genome sufficiently 366 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:14,440 can can can change a genome sufficiently 367 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,230 can can can change a genome sufficiently to produce a new kind of animal. Um and 368 00:06:17,230 --> 00:06:17,240 to produce a new kind of animal. Um and 369 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,070 to produce a new kind of animal. Um and it's effective because you do have to 370 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:20,080 it's effective because you do have to 371 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,550 it's effective because you do have to understand a fair amount of molecular 372 00:06:21,550 --> 00:06:21,560 understand a fair amount of molecular 373 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,470 understand a fair amount of molecular bio biology. You have to under You have 374 00:06:23,470 --> 00:06:23,480 bio biology. You have to under You have 375 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,310 bio biology. You have to under You have to be able to understand what is hap- 376 00:06:25,310 --> 00:06:25,320 to be able to understand what is hap- 377 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,510 to be able to understand what is hap- what can happen to a genome and what 378 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:27,520 what can happen to a genome and what 379 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,510 what can happen to a genome and what that means for 380 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:29,520 that means for 381 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,070 that means for you know, embryonic development, what 382 00:06:31,070 --> 00:06:31,080 you know, embryonic development, what 383 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,550 you know, embryonic development, what kind what what sort of form will arise 384 00:06:33,550 --> 00:06:33,560 kind what what sort of form will arise 385 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,590 kind what what sort of form will arise when all these genes are expressed. So 386 00:06:35,590 --> 00:06:35,600 when all these genes are expressed. So 387 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,550 when all these genes are expressed. So that's probably the most common one um 388 00:06:37,550 --> 00:06:37,560 that's probably the most common one um 389 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,790 that's probably the most common one um and I've spent a lot of time debunking 390 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:39,800 and I've spent a lot of time debunking 391 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,350 and I've spent a lot of time debunking that in its different forms. Um 392 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:42,360 that in its different forms. Um 393 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:42,909 that in its different forms. Um >> Yeah. 394 00:06:42,909 --> 00:06:42,919 >> Yeah. 395 00:06:42,919 --> 00:06:44,470 >> Yeah. >> That would be one that comes to mind 396 00:06:44,470 --> 00:06:44,480 >> That would be one that comes to mind 397 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,950 >> That would be one that comes to mind right away. 398 00:06:45,950 --> 00:06:45,960 right away. 399 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,670 right away. What else would there be? Um I mean 400 00:06:50,670 --> 00:06:50,680 What else would there be? Um I mean 401 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,150 What else would there be? Um I mean >> Oh yeah, yeah, consciousness. 402 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:52,160 >> Oh yeah, yeah, consciousness. 403 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,110 >> Oh yeah, yeah, consciousness. >> Where does that come from? 404 00:06:53,110 --> 00:06:53,120 >> Where does that come from? 405 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,190 >> Where does that come from? >> Yeah, see that's one strategy. So so 406 00:06:55,190 --> 00:06:55,200 >> Yeah, see that's one strategy. So so 407 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,909 >> Yeah, see that's one strategy. So so some So the lower level stuff is just 408 00:06:58,909 --> 00:06:58,919 some So the lower level stuff is just 409 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:01,990 some So the lower level stuff is just nuh-uh to science. It's just no, you 410 00:07:01,990 --> 00:07:02,000 nuh-uh to science. It's just no, you 411 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,950 nuh-uh to science. It's just no, you know, but what the more sophisticated 412 00:07:03,950 --> 00:07:03,960 know, but what the more sophisticated 413 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,270 know, but what the more sophisticated ones will do. So Discovery Institute 414 00:07:05,270 --> 00:07:05,280 ones will do. So Discovery Institute 415 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:07,110 ones will do. So Discovery Institute tries to do this. Um 416 00:07:07,110 --> 00:07:07,120 tries to do this. Um 417 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,350 tries to do this. Um They just identify the last minuscule 418 00:07:10,350 --> 00:07:10,360 They just identify the last minuscule 419 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,230 They just identify the last minuscule remaining gaps where a god of the gaps 420 00:07:13,230 --> 00:07:13,240 remaining gaps where a god of the gaps 421 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,430 remaining gaps where a god of the gaps can fit. 422 00:07:14,430 --> 00:07:14,440 can fit. 423 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:14,909 can fit. >> Right. 424 00:07:14,909 --> 00:07:14,919 >> Right. 425 00:07:14,919 --> 00:07:17,350 >> Right. >> just try to pry it open uh and then 426 00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:17,360 >> just try to pry it open uh and then 427 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,030 >> just try to pry it open uh and then equivocate that god with the Christian 428 00:07:19,030 --> 00:07:19,040 equivocate that god with the Christian 429 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,990 equivocate that god with the Christian god uh obviously. But um and so there's 430 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:22,000 god uh obviously. But um and so there's 431 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,990 god uh obviously. But um and so there's only three gaps left. The origin of the 432 00:07:23,990 --> 00:07:24,000 only three gaps left. The origin of the 433 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,990 only three gaps left. The origin of the universe is the only one that I would 434 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:26,000 universe is the only one that I would 435 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,190 universe is the only one that I would say is actually still it there. Um a a 436 00:07:30,190 --> 00:07:30,200 say is actually still it there. Um a a 437 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,990 say is actually still it there. Um a a biogenesis, the origin of life is the 438 00:07:31,990 --> 00:07:32,000 biogenesis, the origin of life is the 439 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,070 biogenesis, the origin of life is the second one, which honestly there's not 440 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:34,080 second one, which honestly there's not 441 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,870 second one, which honestly there's not really a lot of room there 442 00:07:35,870 --> 00:07:35,880 really a lot of room there 443 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,510 really a lot of room there either and then uh consciousness, which 444 00:07:38,510 --> 00:07:38,520 either and then uh consciousness, which 445 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,590 either and then uh consciousness, which honestly I also don't think there's a 446 00:07:40,590 --> 00:07:40,600 honestly I also don't think there's a 447 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,430 honestly I also don't think there's a whole lot of room. So, it's like, 448 00:07:42,430 --> 00:07:42,440 whole lot of room. So, it's like, 449 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,830 whole lot of room. So, it's like, abiogenesis and and consciousness, I 450 00:07:44,830 --> 00:07:44,840 abiogenesis and and consciousness, I 451 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,350 abiogenesis and and consciousness, I certainly wouldn't say that we have 452 00:07:46,350 --> 00:07:46,360 certainly wouldn't say that we have 453 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,510 certainly wouldn't say that we have some, you know, all-encompassing 454 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:48,520 some, you know, all-encompassing 455 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,550 some, you know, all-encompassing comprehension of every single detail of 456 00:07:50,550 --> 00:07:50,560 comprehension of every single detail of 457 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,110 comprehension of every single detail of those phenomena, but they're, you know, 458 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:53,120 those phenomena, but they're, you know, 459 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,230 those phenomena, but they're, you know, we understand a lot and it's just not 460 00:07:55,230 --> 00:07:55,240 we understand a lot and it's just not 461 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,630 we understand a lot and it's just not that much of a stretch to explain these 462 00:07:57,630 --> 00:07:57,640 that much of a stretch to explain these 463 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,630 that much of a stretch to explain these physically. The origin of the universe 464 00:07:59,630 --> 00:07:59,640 physically. The origin of the universe 465 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,070 physically. The origin of the universe is is still tricky, but that's like 466 00:08:03,070 --> 00:08:03,080 is is still tricky, but that's like 467 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,310 is is still tricky, but that's like I mean, come on. It's the most 468 00:08:04,310 --> 00:08:04,320 I mean, come on. It's the most 469 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,190 I mean, come on. It's the most >> you get something from nothing? I 470 00:08:06,190 --> 00:08:06,200 >> you get something from nothing? I 471 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,670 >> you get something from nothing? I remember saying that all the time. There 472 00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:07,680 remember saying that all the time. There 473 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,750 remember saying that all the time. There has to be a designer. There has to be a 474 00:08:09,750 --> 00:08:09,760 has to be a designer. There has to be a 475 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,270 has to be a designer. There has to be a creator. You can't just have something 476 00:08:12,270 --> 00:08:12,280 creator. You can't just have something 477 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,110 creator. You can't just have something out of nothing. 478 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:13,120 out of nothing. 479 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,550 out of nothing. >> Yeah. Of course Of course you can have a 480 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:14,560 >> Yeah. Of course Of course you can have a 481 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,510 >> Yeah. Of course Of course you can have a deity and not have to explain the deity. 482 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:15,520 deity and not have to explain the deity. 483 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,470 deity and not have to explain the deity. Of course you can have a deity and not 484 00:08:17,470 --> 00:08:17,480 Of course you can have a deity and not 485 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,790 Of course you can have a deity and not have to explain the deity. 486 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:18,800 have to explain the deity. 487 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,830 have to explain the deity. >> Exactly. 488 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:19,840 >> Exactly. 489 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,350 >> Exactly. >> Why would you suggest that we have to 490 00:08:21,350 --> 00:08:21,360 >> Why would you suggest that we have to 491 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,110 >> Why would you suggest that we have to explain where why this deity exists? How 492 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:24,120 explain where why this deity exists? How 493 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,550 explain where why this deity exists? How silly of you? 494 00:08:25,550 --> 00:08:25,560 silly of you? 495 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:25,750 silly of you? Yeah. 496 00:08:25,750 --> 00:08:25,760 Yeah. 497 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:26,790 Yeah. >> Right. 498 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:26,800 >> Right. 499 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,790 >> Right. Yeah, the the other thing that I 500 00:08:27,790 --> 00:08:27,800 Yeah, the the other thing that I 501 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,270 Yeah, the the other thing that I remember saying in in sermons was, you 502 00:08:31,270 --> 00:08:31,280 remember saying in in sermons was, you 503 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,190 remember saying in in sermons was, you know, if evolution is true, you know, 504 00:08:34,190 --> 00:08:34,200 know, if evolution is true, you know, 505 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,230 know, if evolution is true, you know, why don't we have half ape, half 506 00:08:37,230 --> 00:08:37,240 why don't we have half ape, half 507 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:37,950 why don't we have half ape, half man 508 00:08:37,950 --> 00:08:37,960 man 509 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:38,310 man >> Yeah. 510 00:08:38,310 --> 00:08:38,320 >> Yeah. 511 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,870 >> Yeah. >> walking around? 512 00:08:39,870 --> 00:08:39,880 >> walking around? 513 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:40,550 >> walking around? You know? 514 00:08:40,550 --> 00:08:40,560 You know? 515 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:42,510 You know? >> Yeah. I mean, so first, yeah, humans are 516 00:08:42,510 --> 00:08:42,520 >> Yeah. I mean, so first, yeah, humans are 517 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,310 >> Yeah. I mean, so first, yeah, humans are apes. 518 00:08:43,310 --> 00:08:43,320 apes. 519 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,190 apes. >> Right. [laughter] 520 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:44,200 >> Right. [laughter] 521 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,790 >> Right. [laughter] >> It doesn't mean anything. 522 00:08:45,790 --> 00:08:45,800 >> It doesn't mean anything. 523 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,430 >> It doesn't mean anything. It's like, yes, it's like saying 524 00:08:48,430 --> 00:08:48,440 It's like, yes, it's like saying 525 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,990 It's like, yes, it's like saying you can't have a half chicken, half 526 00:08:49,990 --> 00:08:50,000 you can't have a half chicken, half 527 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,210 you can't have a half chicken, half bird. Well, okay, what are you 528 00:08:51,210 --> 00:08:51,220 bird. Well, okay, what are you 529 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:53,470 bird. Well, okay, what are you [laughter] talking about? I mean, 530 00:08:53,470 --> 00:08:53,480 [laughter] talking about? I mean, 531 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,829 [laughter] talking about? I mean, um, but yeah, it it I I guess like what 532 00:08:56,829 --> 00:08:56,839 um, but yeah, it it I I guess like what 533 00:08:56,839 --> 00:08:58,710 um, but yeah, it it I I guess like what you're talking about is is like the Ray 534 00:08:58,710 --> 00:08:58,720 you're talking about is is like the Ray 535 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,681 you're talking about is is like the Ray Comfort Crocoduck 536 00:09:01,681 --> 00:09:01,691 Comfort Crocoduck 537 00:09:01,691 --> 00:09:01,710 Comfort Crocoduck >> [laughter] 538 00:09:01,710 --> 00:09:01,720 >> [laughter] 539 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,310 >> [laughter] >> You got to be so dumb to think that it's 540 00:09:04,310 --> 00:09:04,320 >> You got to be so dumb to think that it's 541 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,350 >> You got to be so dumb to think that it's like like a laser printer or something 542 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:06,360 like like a laser printer or something 543 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,230 like like a laser printer or something that just like takes a form and then a 544 00:09:08,230 --> 00:09:08,240 that just like takes a form and then a 545 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,310 that just like takes a form and then a future form and then just from head to 546 00:09:10,310 --> 00:09:10,320 future form and then just from head to 547 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,150 future form and then just from head to toe starts turning it into the other 548 00:09:12,150 --> 00:09:12,160 toe starts turning it into the other 549 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,190 toe starts turning it into the other one. 550 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:13,200 one. 551 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,829 one. Uh, it's like, yeah. 552 00:09:14,829 --> 00:09:14,839 Uh, it's like, yeah. 553 00:09:14,839 --> 00:09:16,470 Uh, it's like, yeah. That's one of the main problems. So, 554 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:16,480 That's one of the main problems. So, 555 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,230 That's one of the main problems. So, when I did my I did a long like 3-hour 556 00:09:19,230 --> 00:09:19,240 when I did my I did a long like 3-hour 557 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,950 when I did my I did a long like 3-hour creationism guide to debunking 558 00:09:20,950 --> 00:09:20,960 creationism guide to debunking 559 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,150 creationism guide to debunking creationism everything, I had to take a 560 00:09:23,150 --> 00:09:23,160 creationism everything, I had to take a 561 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,350 creationism everything, I had to take a long section of it and talk about 562 00:09:25,350 --> 00:09:25,360 long section of it and talk about 563 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,070 long section of it and talk about phylogeny and and paleontology because 564 00:09:28,070 --> 00:09:28,080 phylogeny and and paleontology because 565 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,430 phylogeny and and paleontology because one of the main problems is that is that 566 00:09:30,430 --> 00:09:30,440 one of the main problems is that is that 567 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,990 one of the main problems is that is that creationists 568 00:09:31,990 --> 00:09:32,000 creationists 569 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,790 creationists don't know anything about the forms that 570 00:09:34,790 --> 00:09:34,800 don't know anything about the forms that 571 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,230 don't know anything about the forms that have existed in the past. So, somebody 572 00:09:37,230 --> 00:09:37,240 have existed in the past. So, somebody 573 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,430 have existed in the past. So, somebody like Kent Hovind will say like, "Why 574 00:09:39,430 --> 00:09:39,440 like Kent Hovind will say like, "Why 575 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,350 like Kent Hovind will say like, "Why can't a whale turn into a pine tree?" 576 00:09:41,350 --> 00:09:41,360 can't a whale turn into a pine tree?" 577 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,590 can't a whale turn into a pine tree?" And and it's just like 578 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:43,600 And and it's just like 579 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,910 And and it's just like what he's selling is the idea that 580 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:45,920 what he's selling is the idea that 581 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,990 what he's selling is the idea that evolution says that extant forms today 582 00:09:48,990 --> 00:09:49,000 evolution says that extant forms today 583 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,110 evolution says that extant forms today yielded other extant forms today. Like a 584 00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:51,120 yielded other extant forms today. Like a 585 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,270 yielded other extant forms today. Like a kangaroo should evolve into a pig or 586 00:09:53,270 --> 00:09:53,280 kangaroo should evolve into a pig or 587 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,070 kangaroo should evolve into a pig or something like that. Which is insane, 588 00:09:55,070 --> 00:09:55,080 something like that. Which is insane, 589 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,550 something like that. Which is insane, right? You go back on these lineages in 590 00:09:57,550 --> 00:09:57,560 right? You go back on these lineages in 591 00:09:57,560 --> 00:09:59,230 right? You go back on these lineages in millions and millions of years into the 592 00:09:59,230 --> 00:09:59,240 millions and millions of years into the 593 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,150 millions and millions of years into the past until you find common ancestors 594 00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:02,160 past until you find common ancestors 595 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,190 past until you find common ancestors that were had some morphology that you 596 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:04,200 that were had some morphology that you 597 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,590 that were had some morphology that you could see clearly different for, you 598 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:05,600 could see clearly different for, you 599 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,470 could see clearly different for, you know, it's very easy to see how 600 00:10:07,470 --> 00:10:07,480 know, it's very easy to see how 601 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,550 know, it's very easy to see how different mammals came from, you know, a 602 00:10:09,550 --> 00:10:09,560 different mammals came from, you know, a 603 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:11,190 different mammals came from, you know, a different from a particular common 604 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:11,200 different from a particular common 605 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,510 different from a particular common ancestor. But but creationists don't 606 00:10:13,510 --> 00:10:13,520 ancestor. But but creationists don't 607 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,110 ancestor. But but creationists don't know what that ancestor looks like. They 608 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:15,120 know what that ancestor looks like. They 609 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,150 know what that ancestor looks like. They don't know anything about the the forms 610 00:10:17,150 --> 00:10:17,160 don't know anything about the the forms 611 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,590 don't know anything about the the forms that we've uncovered through 612 00:10:18,590 --> 00:10:18,600 that we've uncovered through 613 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,190 that we've uncovered through paleontology. So, that has to be 614 00:10:21,190 --> 00:10:21,200 paleontology. So, that has to be 615 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,830 paleontology. So, that has to be explained, obviously. 616 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:22,840 explained, obviously. 617 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:23,430 explained, obviously. >> Right. 618 00:10:23,430 --> 00:10:23,440 >> Right. 619 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,390 >> Right. So, when when we say the we, you know, 620 00:10:25,390 --> 00:10:25,400 So, when when we say the we, you know, 621 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,630 So, when when we say the we, you know, the old you know, the ape, you know, the 622 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:28,640 the old you know, the ape, you know, the 623 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,190 the old you know, the ape, you know, the whatever and then it just slowly starts 624 00:10:30,190 --> 00:10:30,200 whatever and then it just slowly starts 625 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,030 whatever and then it just slowly starts getting more upright, which is 626 00:10:32,030 --> 00:10:32,040 getting more upright, which is 627 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,190 getting more upright, which is incorrect, I know that. 628 00:10:34,190 --> 00:10:34,200 incorrect, I know that. 629 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,110 incorrect, I know that. >> Well, no, I'm not saying that. 630 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:35,120 >> Well, no, I'm not saying that. 631 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,670 >> Well, no, I'm not saying that. >> It's kind of like first cousins. 632 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:36,680 >> It's kind of like first cousins. 633 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:39,390 >> It's kind of like first cousins. I mean, is is it like we're a a what? 3 634 00:10:39,390 --> 00:10:39,400 I mean, is is it like we're a a what? 3 635 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,070 I mean, is is it like we're a a what? 3 million years ago a cousin to 636 00:10:42,070 --> 00:10:42,080 million years ago a cousin to 637 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,030 million years ago a cousin to a 638 00:10:43,030 --> 00:10:43,040 a 639 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,910 a a great ape or a chimpanzee or 640 00:10:45,910 --> 00:10:45,920 a great ape or a chimpanzee or 641 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,990 a great ape or a chimpanzee or >> Well, us Okay, so the the the most 642 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:48,000 >> Well, us Okay, so the the the most 643 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,829 >> Well, us Okay, so the the the most recent common ancestor between humans 644 00:10:49,829 --> 00:10:49,839 recent common ancestor between humans 645 00:10:49,839 --> 00:10:52,270 recent common ancestor between humans and chimps and bonobos is 646 00:10:52,270 --> 00:10:52,280 and chimps and bonobos is 647 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,590 and chimps and bonobos is someone fact check me. I think it's 648 00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:53,600 someone fact check me. I think it's 649 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,230 someone fact check me. I think it's about 6 million 650 00:10:55,230 --> 00:10:55,240 about 6 million 651 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:55,470 about 6 million >> Okay. 652 00:10:55,470 --> 00:10:55,480 >> Okay. 653 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,110 >> Okay. >> 7 million, something like that. I could 654 00:10:57,110 --> 00:10:57,120 >> 7 million, something like that. I could 655 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,470 >> 7 million, something like that. I could be wrong about that. I'm trying to 656 00:10:58,470 --> 00:10:58,480 be wrong about that. I'm trying to 657 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,710 be wrong about that. I'm trying to recall my my biological anthropology 658 00:11:00,710 --> 00:11:00,720 recall my my biological anthropology 659 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:01,829 recall my my biological anthropology content. 660 00:11:01,829 --> 00:11:01,839 content. 661 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:04,630 content. But after that split, you have a lineage 662 00:11:04,630 --> 00:11:04,640 But after that split, you have a lineage 663 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,630 But after that split, you have a lineage of dozens of species of you know, 664 00:11:08,630 --> 00:11:08,640 of dozens of species of you know, 665 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,829 of dozens of species of you know, Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Ardipithecus, 666 00:11:12,829 --> 00:11:12,839 Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Ardipithecus, 667 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:15,510 Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Ardipithecus, Orrorin tugenensis. 668 00:11:15,510 --> 00:11:15,520 Orrorin tugenensis. 669 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:16,590 Orrorin tugenensis. And then once you get to the 670 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:16,600 And then once you get to the 671 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,790 And then once you get to the Australopithecines, there's like, I 672 00:11:18,790 --> 00:11:18,800 Australopithecines, there's like, I 673 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,430 Australopithecines, there's like, I don't know how many species within the 674 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:20,440 don't know how many species within the 675 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,870 don't know how many species within the Australopithecus genus, maybe 20 or 676 00:11:22,870 --> 00:11:22,880 Australopithecus genus, maybe 20 or 677 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,990 Australopithecus genus, maybe 20 or something. I'm not sure exactly. And 678 00:11:24,990 --> 00:11:25,000 something. I'm not sure exactly. And 679 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,550 something. I'm not sure exactly. And then from there evolved the Homo genus. 680 00:11:28,550 --> 00:11:28,560 then from there evolved the Homo genus. 681 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:30,230 then from there evolved the Homo genus. So, that's the genus that we are in. And 682 00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:30,240 So, that's the genus that we are in. And 683 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,910 So, that's the genus that we are in. And there were many many species within the 684 00:11:31,910 --> 00:11:31,920 there were many many species within the 685 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,030 there were many many species within the Homo genus as well. Homo sapiens is the 686 00:11:34,030 --> 00:11:34,040 Homo genus as well. Homo sapiens is the 687 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,830 Homo genus as well. Homo sapiens is the only one that remains. In fact, Homo 688 00:11:35,830 --> 00:11:35,840 only one that remains. In fact, Homo 689 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,790 only one that remains. In fact, Homo sapiens is the only hominid species that 690 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:37,800 sapiens is the only hominid species that 691 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,550 sapiens is the only hominid species that remains on that entire lineage. That's 692 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:40,560 remains on that entire lineage. That's 693 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,830 remains on that entire lineage. That's the thing about evolution and geological 694 00:11:42,830 --> 00:11:42,840 the thing about evolution and geological 695 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,150 the thing about evolution and geological time is that most [\h__\h] is gone, right? 696 00:11:46,150 --> 00:11:46,160 time is that most [\h__\h] is gone, right? 697 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:46,910 time is that most [\h__\h] is gone, right? >> Right. Right. 698 00:11:46,910 --> 00:11:46,920 >> Right. Right. 699 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,550 >> Right. Right. >> Way more than 99% of all species that 700 00:11:49,550 --> 00:11:49,560 >> Way more than 99% of all species that 701 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:51,510 >> Way more than 99% of all species that have ever existed are gone. 702 00:11:51,510 --> 00:11:51,520 have ever existed are gone. 703 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,830 have ever existed are gone. Um some persist for very long time. 704 00:11:54,830 --> 00:11:54,840 Um some persist for very long time. 705 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:55,913 Um some persist for very long time. Yeah. Yeah. 706 00:11:55,913 --> 00:11:55,923 Yeah. Yeah. 707 00:11:55,923 --> 00:11:56,630 Yeah. Yeah. >> [laughter] 708 00:11:56,630 --> 00:11:56,640 >> [laughter] 709 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,510 >> [laughter] >> But I mean it's like that's why it's 710 00:11:58,510 --> 00:11:58,520 >> But I mean it's like that's why it's 711 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,310 >> But I mean it's like that's why it's hard for for uneducated creationists to 712 00:12:01,310 --> 00:12:01,320 hard for for uneducated creationists to 713 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,030 hard for for uneducated creationists to see because you're taking away all of 714 00:12:04,030 --> 00:12:04,040 see because you're taking away all of 715 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,630 see because you're taking away all of these forms. They're They don't They're 716 00:12:05,630 --> 00:12:05,640 these forms. They're They don't They're 717 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,790 these forms. They're They don't They're not around today, but you can see them 718 00:12:07,790 --> 00:12:07,800 not around today, but you can see them 719 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,230 not around today, but you can see them if you learn about paleontology, you 720 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:10,240 if you learn about paleontology, you 721 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,110 if you learn about paleontology, you know. So, that's it. Um 722 00:12:13,110 --> 00:12:13,120 know. So, that's it. Um 723 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,150 know. So, that's it. Um >> That was something that impacted me, uh 724 00:12:15,150 --> 00:12:15,160 >> That was something that impacted me, uh 725 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,230 >> That was something that impacted me, uh Professor Dave, when I did the 23andMe 726 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:17,240 Professor Dave, when I did the 23andMe 727 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,950 Professor Dave, when I did the 23andMe and I had 2% Neanderthal. 728 00:12:18,950 --> 00:12:18,960 and I had 2% Neanderthal. 729 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:19,270 and I had 2% Neanderthal. >> Mhm. 730 00:12:19,270 --> 00:12:19,280 >> Mhm. 731 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,310 >> Mhm. >> And then I read the book Sapiens. And 732 00:12:22,310 --> 00:12:22,320 >> And then I read the book Sapiens. And 733 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,750 >> And then I read the book Sapiens. And this was at the very beginning when I 734 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:23,760 this was at the very beginning when I 735 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,670 this was at the very beginning when I was just starting to think, you know, 736 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:25,680 was just starting to think, you know, 737 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:27,190 was just starting to think, you know, gosh, I don't think everybody's going to 738 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:27,200 gosh, I don't think everybody's going to 739 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,830 gosh, I don't think everybody's going to hell. You know, I was just For me it was 740 00:12:28,830 --> 00:12:28,840 hell. You know, I was just For me it was 741 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,710 hell. You know, I was just For me it was a very slow gradual, you know, I was 742 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:30,720 a very slow gradual, you know, I was 743 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,430 a very slow gradual, you know, I was very very fundamental and then I kind of 744 00:12:32,430 --> 00:12:32,440 very very fundamental and then I kind of 745 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,510 very very fundamental and then I kind of became more open-minded liberal and you 746 00:12:34,510 --> 00:12:34,520 became more open-minded liberal and you 747 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:35,870 became more open-minded liberal and you know, just kept sliding away until 748 00:12:35,870 --> 00:12:35,880 know, just kept sliding away until 749 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,550 know, just kept sliding away until finally I was like, I think I'm atheist. 750 00:12:38,550 --> 00:12:38,560 finally I was like, I think I'm atheist. 751 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:40,590 finally I was like, I think I'm atheist. Anyway, so I was reading Sapiens and I'm 752 00:12:40,590 --> 00:12:40,600 Anyway, so I was reading Sapiens and I'm 753 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,390 Anyway, so I was reading Sapiens and I'm like, wait, what? The 754 00:12:42,390 --> 00:12:42,400 like, wait, what? The 755 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,150 like, wait, what? The Literally, this is sad to say, but 2018 756 00:12:45,150 --> 00:12:45,160 Literally, this is sad to say, but 2018 757 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,710 Literally, this is sad to say, but 2018 2019 is when I first understood that 758 00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:48,720 2019 is when I first understood that 759 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,710 2019 is when I first understood that there were other 760 00:12:50,710 --> 00:12:50,720 there were other 761 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,030 there were other species of humans. I did not know this. 762 00:12:54,030 --> 00:12:54,040 species of humans. I did not know this. 763 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,670 species of humans. I did not know this. And uh I always thought that was just 764 00:12:56,670 --> 00:12:56,680 And uh I always thought that was just 765 00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:59,590 And uh I always thought that was just caveman. It was just us. It was just old 766 00:12:59,590 --> 00:12:59,600 caveman. It was just us. It was just old 767 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,070 caveman. It was just us. It was just old school us. And when I heard that, it you 768 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:03,080 school us. And when I heard that, it you 769 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,470 school us. And when I heard that, it you know, and I'm like, well, and I know the 770 00:13:04,470 --> 00:13:04,480 know, and I'm like, well, and I know the 771 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,870 know, and I'm like, well, and I know the Bible. I went to Bible college. I'm 772 00:13:05,870 --> 00:13:05,880 Bible. I went to Bible college. I'm 773 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:06,910 Bible. I went to Bible college. I'm like, I've read the Bible multiple 774 00:13:06,910 --> 00:13:06,920 like, I've read the Bible multiple 775 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,350 like, I've read the Bible multiple times. There's nothing in there about 776 00:13:08,350 --> 00:13:08,360 times. There's nothing in there about 777 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,274 times. There's nothing in there about Neanderthals. 778 00:13:09,274 --> 00:13:09,284 Neanderthals. 779 00:13:09,284 --> 00:13:09,750 Neanderthals. >> [laughter] 780 00:13:09,750 --> 00:13:09,760 >> [laughter] 781 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,510 >> [laughter] >> You know, like there's nothing in there 782 00:13:11,510 --> 00:13:11,520 >> You know, like there's nothing in there 783 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,550 >> You know, like there's nothing in there that's explaining 784 00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:13,560 that's explaining 785 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:15,630 that's explaining all of these other species. Or like you 786 00:13:15,630 --> 00:13:15,640 all of these other species. Or like you 787 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,230 all of these other species. Or like you what you just said that 99% of all the 788 00:13:17,230 --> 00:13:17,240 what you just said that 99% of all the 789 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,590 what you just said that 99% of all the species that 790 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:18,600 species that 791 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,630 species that God ever created have gone extinct. 792 00:13:20,630 --> 00:13:20,640 God ever created have gone extinct. 793 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,190 God ever created have gone extinct. Like, what the hell was the purpose in 794 00:13:22,190 --> 00:13:22,200 Like, what the hell was the purpose in 795 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,590 Like, what the hell was the purpose in that then? You know, it just created It 796 00:13:24,590 --> 00:13:24,600 that then? You know, it just created It 797 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,790 that then? You know, it just created It was just creating more questions and and 798 00:13:27,790 --> 00:13:27,800 was just creating more questions and and 799 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,710 was just creating more questions and and things that were just not 800 00:13:29,710 --> 00:13:29,720 things that were just not 801 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,950 things that were just not I couldn't reconcile, you know, I 802 00:13:31,950 --> 00:13:31,960 I couldn't reconcile, you know, I 803 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,830 I couldn't reconcile, you know, I couldn't reconcile in in my brain. 804 00:13:33,830 --> 00:13:33,840 couldn't reconcile in in my brain. 805 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,870 couldn't reconcile in in my brain. >> Yeah, and so the task of the creationist 806 00:13:35,870 --> 00:13:35,880 >> Yeah, and so the task of the creationist 807 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,630 >> Yeah, and so the task of the creationist and and this is what this is what 808 00:13:38,630 --> 00:13:38,640 and and this is what this is what 809 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,910 and and this is what this is what Discovery Institute tries to do. I mean 810 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:40,920 Discovery Institute tries to do. I mean 811 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,670 Discovery Institute tries to do. I mean and this is the funny part is because 812 00:13:42,670 --> 00:13:42,680 and this is the funny part is because 813 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:43,950 and this is the funny part is because everybody will do it a different way. 814 00:13:43,950 --> 00:13:43,960 everybody will do it a different way. 815 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,470 everybody will do it a different way. You have all of these hominid species. 816 00:13:46,470 --> 00:13:46,480 You have all of these hominid species. 817 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,750 You have all of these hominid species. So take something like like a like an 818 00:13:48,750 --> 00:13:48,760 So take something like like a like an 819 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,030 So take something like like a like an Australopithecine like like 820 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:51,040 Australopithecine like like 821 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,150 Australopithecine like like uh specimen um 822 00:13:53,150 --> 00:13:53,160 uh specimen um 823 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,390 uh specimen um and they they clearly have intermediary 824 00:13:56,390 --> 00:13:56,400 and they they clearly have intermediary 825 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,390 and they they clearly have intermediary characteristics, right? They have they 826 00:13:58,390 --> 00:13:58,400 characteristics, right? They have they 827 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,630 characteristics, right? They have they have more basal characteristics because 828 00:14:00,630 --> 00:14:00,640 have more basal characteristics because 829 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,070 have more basal characteristics because they were still kind of getting around 830 00:14:02,070 --> 00:14:02,080 they were still kind of getting around 831 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,230 they were still kind of getting around in trees. 832 00:14:03,230 --> 00:14:03,240 in trees. 833 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,590 in trees. Um but they have 834 00:14:04,590 --> 00:14:04,600 Um but they have 835 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,230 Um but they have modern human characteristics. They 836 00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:06,240 modern human characteristics. They 837 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,910 modern human characteristics. They undeniably walked upright as well. 838 00:14:08,910 --> 00:14:08,920 undeniably walked upright as well. 839 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,470 undeniably walked upright as well. Um and so they have anatomical features 840 00:14:11,470 --> 00:14:11,480 Um and so they have anatomical features 841 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,550 Um and so they have anatomical features that make them objectively not chimps or 842 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:14,560 that make them objectively not chimps or 843 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:16,910 that make them objectively not chimps or humans. Like just anatomically does not 844 00:14:16,910 --> 00:14:16,920 humans. Like just anatomically does not 845 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,030 humans. Like just anatomically does not make sense. The knees, the hips, like 846 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:19,040 make sense. The knees, the hips, like 847 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,310 make sense. The knees, the hips, like everything about them, they 848 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:20,320 everything about them, they 849 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,550 everything about them, they categorically are not either chimps or 850 00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:22,560 categorically are not either chimps or 851 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:23,310 categorically are not either chimps or humans. 852 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:23,320 humans. 853 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,710 humans. >> Would that be like a Lucy? 854 00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:24,720 >> Would that be like a Lucy? 855 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,790 >> Would that be like a Lucy? >> Yeah, like Lucy. Any Australopithecus 856 00:14:27,790 --> 00:14:27,800 >> Yeah, like Lucy. Any Australopithecus 857 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,230 >> Yeah, like Lucy. Any Australopithecus species 858 00:14:29,230 --> 00:14:29,240 species 859 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,030 species will have this this kind of intermediate 860 00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:31,040 will have this this kind of intermediate 861 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,230 will have this this kind of intermediate morphology. Um 862 00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:33,240 morphology. Um 863 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,110 morphology. Um and so the task of the creationist, they 864 00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:35,120 and so the task of the creationist, they 865 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,390 and so the task of the creationist, they have to convince the their constituents 866 00:14:38,390 --> 00:14:38,400 have to convince the their constituents 867 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,790 have to convince the their constituents that all of these are either chimps or 868 00:14:40,790 --> 00:14:40,800 that all of these are either chimps or 869 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,230 that all of these are either chimps or humans, right? Because that's it. 870 00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:42,240 humans, right? Because that's it. 871 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,430 humans, right? Because that's it. There's chimps and humans. There's not 872 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:43,440 There's chimps and humans. There's not 873 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,710 There's chimps and humans. There's not all this other fantastic other stuff. 874 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:45,720 all this other fantastic other stuff. 875 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,270 all this other fantastic other stuff. Um and so they don't even agree. Like 876 00:14:47,270 --> 00:14:47,280 Um and so they don't even agree. Like 877 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,430 Um and so they don't even agree. Like you can make a chart where each 878 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:49,440 you can make a chart where each 879 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,910 you can make a chart where each creationist group like Answers in 880 00:14:50,910 --> 00:14:50,920 creationist group like Answers in 881 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,470 creationist group like Answers in Genesis and Discovery Institute or 882 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:52,480 Genesis and Discovery Institute or 883 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,870 Genesis and Discovery Institute or whatever where they and they don't agree 884 00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:54,880 whatever where they and they don't agree 885 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:55,990 whatever where they and they don't agree with each other, right? They'll find 886 00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:56,000 with each other, right? They'll find 887 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,790 with each other, right? They'll find some Australopithecine specimen. Some of 888 00:14:57,790 --> 00:14:57,800 some Australopithecine specimen. Some of 889 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,070 some Australopithecine specimen. Some of them say it's a chimp, some of it say 890 00:14:59,070 --> 00:14:59,080 them say it's a chimp, some of it say 891 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,990 them say it's a chimp, some of it say it's it's a human and like they it's 892 00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:01,000 it's it's a human and like they it's 893 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,870 it's it's a human and like they it's just because it gets tricky because they 894 00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:02,880 just because it gets tricky because they 895 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,230 just because it gets tricky because they so undeniably are neither 896 00:15:05,230 --> 00:15:05,240 so undeniably are neither 897 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,990 so undeniably are neither of those things. So it's it's fun fun to 898 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:08,000 of those things. So it's it's fun fun to 899 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,230 of those things. So it's it's fun fun to watch. Yeah. 900 00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:09,240 watch. Yeah. 901 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,990 watch. Yeah. >> Well, let me let me I'm going to throw 902 00:15:10,990 --> 00:15:11,000 >> Well, let me let me I'm going to throw 903 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,870 >> Well, let me let me I'm going to throw these little one-liners at you that that 904 00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:12,880 these little one-liners at you that that 905 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,230 these little one-liners at you that that again I used to say as a preacher and 906 00:15:15,230 --> 00:15:15,240 again I used to say as a preacher and 907 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,630 again I used to say as a preacher and just I wanted your thought on it. Carbon 908 00:15:17,630 --> 00:15:17,640 just I wanted your thought on it. Carbon 909 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,190 just I wanted your thought on it. Carbon dating isn't accurate. Can't count on 910 00:15:20,190 --> 00:15:20,200 dating isn't accurate. Can't count on 911 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:20,950 dating isn't accurate. Can't count on it. 912 00:15:20,950 --> 00:15:20,960 it. 913 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,240 it. >> Okay, why? 914 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:22,250 >> Okay, why? 915 00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:22,430 >> Okay, why? >> [laughter] 916 00:15:22,430 --> 00:15:22,440 >> [laughter] 917 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,390 >> [laughter] >> Because I say so. 918 00:15:24,390 --> 00:15:24,400 >> Because I say so. 919 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,270 >> Because I say so. I love your response. I wondered if 920 00:15:26,270 --> 00:15:26,280 I love your response. I wondered if 921 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,350 I love your response. I wondered if that's what you would say. It's like 922 00:15:28,350 --> 00:15:28,360 that's what you would say. It's like 923 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,350 that's what you would say. It's like there is a preacher just saying a thing. 924 00:15:30,350 --> 00:15:30,360 there is a preacher just saying a thing. 925 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,870 there is a preacher just saying a thing. And I Here's what's interesting, 926 00:15:31,870 --> 00:15:31,880 And I Here's what's interesting, 927 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,190 And I Here's what's interesting, Professor Dave. This is what's 928 00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:33,200 Professor Dave. This is what's 929 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,310 Professor Dave. This is what's fascinating to me. 930 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:35,320 fascinating to me. 931 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,790 fascinating to me. When I was preaching, right? I'm 932 00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:36,800 When I was preaching, right? I'm 933 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,750 When I was preaching, right? I'm speaking to and I'm just going to be 934 00:15:38,750 --> 00:15:38,760 speaking to and I'm just going to be 935 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,750 speaking to and I'm just going to be honest cuz I considered myself now, I 936 00:15:40,750 --> 00:15:40,760 honest cuz I considered myself now, I 937 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,510 honest cuz I considered myself now, I look back and I called myself a [\h__\h] 938 00:15:42,510 --> 00:15:42,520 look back and I called myself a [\h__\h] 939 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:43,990 look back and I called myself a [\h__\h] I'm very hard on the Christian belief 940 00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:44,000 I'm very hard on the Christian belief 941 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,910 I'm very hard on the Christian belief system. I mean, I really go hard after 942 00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:45,920 system. I mean, I really go hard after 943 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,550 system. I mean, I really go hard after it. That's why one reason why I love 944 00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:47,560 it. That's why one reason why I love 945 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:48,710 it. That's why one reason why I love you. 946 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:48,720 you. 947 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,390 you. I I'm like that I was [\h__\h] I was a 948 00:15:51,390 --> 00:15:51,400 I I'm like that I was [\h__\h] I was a 949 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,110 I I'm like that I was [\h__\h] I was a [\h__\h] I was a complete [\h__\h] you know, 950 00:15:54,110 --> 00:15:54,120 [\h__\h] I was a complete [\h__\h] you know, 951 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,990 [\h__\h] I was a complete [\h__\h] you know, trying to debunk things that I knew not 952 00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:56,000 trying to debunk things that I knew not 953 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,590 trying to debunk things that I knew not of. And then I had a whole church of you 954 00:15:58,590 --> 00:15:58,600 of. And then I had a whole church of you 955 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:59,790 of. And then I had a whole church of you know, they were wonderful people, all 956 00:15:59,790 --> 00:15:59,800 know, they were wonderful people, all 957 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,470 know, they were wonderful people, all that stuff. But they were also 958 00:16:01,470 --> 00:16:01,480 that stuff. But they were also 959 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,670 that stuff. But they were also completely ignorant of 960 00:16:04,670 --> 00:16:04,680 completely ignorant of 961 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,630 completely ignorant of biology. And so they also 962 00:16:08,630 --> 00:16:08,640 biology. And so they also 963 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,910 biology. And so they also were just believing what I said. And I 964 00:16:10,910 --> 00:16:10,920 were just believing what I said. And I 965 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,310 were just believing what I said. And I had no There's I'm just saying a thing. 966 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:14,320 had no There's I'm just saying a thing. 967 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,190 had no There's I'm just saying a thing. And they're amen-ing me and praise the 968 00:16:16,190 --> 00:16:16,200 And they're amen-ing me and praise the 969 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,990 And they're amen-ing me and praise the Lord and hallelujah. And it's like 970 00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:18,000 Lord and hallelujah. And it's like 971 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,270 Lord and hallelujah. And it's like >> It's willful ignorance. Yeah, it's it's 972 00:16:19,270 --> 00:16:19,280 >> It's willful ignorance. Yeah, it's it's 973 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,070 >> It's willful ignorance. Yeah, it's it's willful ignorance because you're 974 00:16:21,070 --> 00:16:21,080 willful ignorance because you're 975 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,110 willful ignorance because you're ideologically bound. I mean, but yeah, 976 00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:23,120 ideologically bound. I mean, but yeah, 977 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,990 ideologically bound. I mean, but yeah, so if you don't know what carbon I mean, 978 00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:26,000 so if you don't know what carbon I mean, 979 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,470 so if you don't know what carbon I mean, it's not just biology. It's physics, 980 00:16:27,470 --> 00:16:27,480 it's not just biology. It's physics, 981 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,910 it's not just biology. It's physics, too, if we're talking about carbon 982 00:16:28,910 --> 00:16:28,920 too, if we're talking about carbon 983 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,510 too, if we're talking about carbon dating. But but it's just a blind 984 00:16:30,510 --> 00:16:30,520 dating. But but it's just a blind 985 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:31,950 dating. But but it's just a blind assertion, right? You're just saying 986 00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:31,960 assertion, right? You're just saying 987 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,750 assertion, right? You're just saying nah-uh to science. So that 988 00:16:34,750 --> 00:16:34,760 nah-uh to science. So that 989 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,550 nah-uh to science. So that I mean, it doesn't even merit a merit a 990 00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:36,560 I mean, it doesn't even merit a merit a 991 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,670 I mean, it doesn't even merit a merit a response. I think that 992 00:16:38,670 --> 00:16:38,680 response. I think that 993 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,870 response. I think that if you try to get more sophisticated, 994 00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:40,880 if you try to get more sophisticated, 995 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,870 if you try to get more sophisticated, some creationists will try to argue that 996 00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:42,880 some creationists will try to argue that 997 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,390 some creationists will try to argue that you are making an assumption that 998 00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:44,400 you are making an assumption that 999 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,430 you are making an assumption that nuclear decay rates are constant, but 1000 00:16:46,430 --> 00:16:46,440 nuclear decay rates are constant, but 1001 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,670 nuclear decay rates are constant, but that could be variable over time. And so 1002 00:16:48,670 --> 00:16:48,680 that could be variable over time. And so 1003 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,590 that could be variable over time. And so that's so you know, but these are just 1004 00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:51,600 that's so you know, but these are just 1005 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,430 that's so you know, but these are just unsubstantiated claims as well, right? 1006 00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:53,440 unsubstantiated claims as well, right? 1007 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,430 unsubstantiated claims as well, right? We we we can we have observed these 1008 00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:55,440 We we we can we have observed these 1009 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,870 We we we can we have observed these decay rates over time. They are constant 1010 00:16:57,870 --> 00:16:57,880 decay rates over time. They are constant 1011 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,590 decay rates over time. They are constant no matter where you take the measurement 1012 00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:59,600 no matter where you take the measurement 1013 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,630 no matter where you take the measurement in a vacuum or what like there's there's 1014 00:17:01,630 --> 00:17:01,640 in a vacuum or what like there's there's 1015 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,190 in a vacuum or what like there's there's nothing that you could possibly bring up 1016 00:17:03,190 --> 00:17:03,200 nothing that you could possibly bring up 1017 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,110 nothing that you could possibly bring up to suggest that these decay rates are 1018 00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:05,120 to suggest that these decay rates are 1019 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:06,390 to suggest that these decay rates are variable. 1020 00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:06,400 variable. 1021 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,670 variable. And certainly not over tens of thousands 1022 00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:08,680 And certainly not over tens of thousands 1023 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,790 And certainly not over tens of thousands of years, right? If you want to talk 1024 00:17:09,790 --> 00:17:09,800 of years, right? If you want to talk 1025 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,069 of years, right? If you want to talk about uranium, you know, or 1026 00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:12,079 about uranium, you know, or 1027 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,150 about uranium, you know, or potassium-argon dating or whatever we 1028 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:14,160 potassium-argon dating or whatever we 1029 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,150 potassium-argon dating or whatever we use to determine the the of the earth. 1030 00:17:17,150 --> 00:17:17,160 use to determine the the of the earth. 1031 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,750 use to determine the the of the earth. So that's one thing. First of all, is 1032 00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:18,760 So that's one thing. First of all, is 1033 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,110 So that's one thing. First of all, is that they'll say, "How do you carbon 1034 00:17:20,110 --> 00:17:20,120 that they'll say, "How do you carbon 1035 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:22,762 that they'll say, "How do you carbon date the earth?" It's like, you don't. 1036 00:17:22,762 --> 00:17:22,772 date the earth?" It's like, you don't. 1037 00:17:22,772 --> 00:17:23,230 date the earth?" It's like, you don't. >> [laughter] 1038 00:17:23,230 --> 00:17:23,240 >> [laughter] 1039 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,309 >> [laughter] >> Other radioactive isotopes, right? 1040 00:17:25,309 --> 00:17:25,319 >> Other radioactive isotopes, right? 1041 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:28,110 >> Other radioactive isotopes, right? Radiometric dating utilizes a whole host 1042 00:17:28,110 --> 00:17:28,120 Radiometric dating utilizes a whole host 1043 00:17:28,120 --> 00:17:29,470 Radiometric dating utilizes a whole host of different 1044 00:17:29,470 --> 00:17:29,480 of different 1045 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,430 of different different nuclide pairs. Carbon dating 1046 00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:31,440 different nuclide pairs. Carbon dating 1047 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,550 different nuclide pairs. Carbon dating is reliable to up to about 50,000 years 1048 00:17:33,550 --> 00:17:33,560 is reliable to up to about 50,000 years 1049 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,430 is reliable to up to about 50,000 years cuz you go about 10 half-lives is kind 1050 00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:35,440 cuz you go about 10 half-lives is kind 1051 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,030 cuz you go about 10 half-lives is kind of the general rule of thumb before the 1052 00:17:37,030 --> 00:17:37,040 of the general rule of thumb before the 1053 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,950 of the general rule of thumb before the the data is too is is not as easy to to 1054 00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:40,960 the data is too is is not as easy to to 1055 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,630 the data is too is is not as easy to to to interpret. But, um 1056 00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:42,640 to interpret. But, um 1057 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,870 to interpret. But, um yeah, a lot of different nuclides. It's 1058 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:44,880 yeah, a lot of different nuclides. It's 1059 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,390 yeah, a lot of different nuclides. It's brilliant science, you know, that we use 1060 00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:46,400 brilliant science, you know, that we use 1061 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,110 brilliant science, you know, that we use to figure out the age of stuff. 1062 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:48,120 to figure out the age of stuff. 1063 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:49,550 to figure out the age of stuff. >> Yeah, and I think you know, the what is 1064 00:17:49,550 --> 00:17:49,560 >> Yeah, and I think you know, the what is 1065 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,990 >> Yeah, and I think you know, the what is it? The argument from ignorance, you 1066 00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:51,000 it? The argument from ignorance, you 1067 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,750 it? The argument from ignorance, you know, I think when I don't understand 1068 00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:53,760 know, I think when I don't understand 1069 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,870 know, I think when I don't understand something, therefore it's not true, and 1070 00:17:55,870 --> 00:17:55,880 something, therefore it's not true, and 1071 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,110 something, therefore it's not true, and then therefore God. I mean, that's like 1072 00:17:58,110 --> 00:17:58,120 then therefore God. I mean, that's like 1073 00:17:58,120 --> 00:17:59,830 then therefore God. I mean, that's like that's the obvious conclusion. 1074 00:17:59,830 --> 00:17:59,840 that's the obvious conclusion. 1075 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,430 that's the obvious conclusion. >> Yeah, sadly [laughter] that is exactly 1076 00:18:01,430 --> 00:18:01,440 >> Yeah, sadly [laughter] that is exactly 1077 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,790 >> Yeah, sadly [laughter] that is exactly what it is. Yeah. [clears throat] 1078 00:18:03,790 --> 00:18:03,800 what it is. Yeah. [clears throat] 1079 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,990 what it is. Yeah. [clears throat] >> The the other thing that I used to say, 1080 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:06,000 >> The the other thing that I used to say, 1081 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,150 >> The the other thing that I used to say, uh and I'm I'm I know you'll have 1082 00:18:07,150 --> 00:18:07,160 uh and I'm I'm I know you'll have 1083 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,590 uh and I'm I'm I know you'll have something to say about this, evolution 1084 00:18:08,590 --> 00:18:08,600 something to say about this, evolution 1085 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,950 something to say about this, evolution is only a theory. 1086 00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:10,960 is only a theory. 1087 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:11,990 is only a theory. >> Yeah. 1088 00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:12,000 >> Yeah. 1089 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,162 >> Yeah. So so much to say here. 1090 00:18:15,162 --> 00:18:15,172 So so much to say here. 1091 00:18:15,172 --> 00:18:15,470 So so much to say here. >> [laughter] 1092 00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:15,480 >> [laughter] 1093 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,030 >> [laughter] >> So, I mean, let's just start with what a 1094 00:18:17,030 --> 00:18:17,040 >> So, I mean, let's just start with what a 1095 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,630 >> So, I mean, let's just start with what a theory is, right? A a theory 1096 00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:18,640 theory is, right? A a theory 1097 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,910 theory is, right? A a theory colloquially is treated as a guess. 1098 00:18:20,910 --> 00:18:20,920 colloquially is treated as a guess. 1099 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,790 colloquially is treated as a guess. Like, oh, it's a little guestimation or 1100 00:18:22,790 --> 00:18:22,800 Like, oh, it's a little guestimation or 1101 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,110 Like, oh, it's a little guestimation or what this could have happened, you know. 1102 00:18:24,110 --> 00:18:24,120 what this could have happened, you know. 1103 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:25,110 what this could have happened, you know. >> Yeah, something I'm shooting out of my 1104 00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:25,120 >> Yeah, something I'm shooting out of my 1105 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:25,710 >> Yeah, something I'm shooting out of my butt. 1106 00:18:25,710 --> 00:18:25,720 butt. 1107 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,590 butt. >> Yeah. So, in in science or well, what 1108 00:18:28,590 --> 00:18:28,600 >> Yeah. So, in in science or well, what 1109 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,550 >> Yeah. So, in in science or well, what it's supposed to be, I I kind of abhor 1110 00:18:30,550 --> 00:18:30,560 it's supposed to be, I I kind of abhor 1111 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,630 it's supposed to be, I I kind of abhor the colloquial usage of it. Uh and I 1112 00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:32,640 the colloquial usage of it. Uh and I 1113 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,030 the colloquial usage of it. Uh and I hope wish we would eradicate it. Um but, 1114 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:35,040 hope wish we would eradicate it. Um but, 1115 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,950 hope wish we would eradicate it. Um but, it's it's a model that correlates data 1116 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:36,960 it's it's a model that correlates data 1117 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,870 it's it's a model that correlates data and makes predictions. And uh it's uh 1118 00:18:39,870 --> 00:18:39,880 and makes predictions. And uh it's uh 1119 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:40,470 and makes predictions. And uh it's uh the 1120 00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:40,480 the 1121 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,790 the the they can be as robust as anything 1122 00:18:43,790 --> 00:18:43,800 the they can be as robust as anything 1123 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,710 the they can be as robust as anything imaginable in science. Uh atomic theory, 1124 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:46,720 imaginable in science. Uh atomic theory, 1125 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,470 imaginable in science. Uh atomic theory, germ theory, there's absolutely no doubt 1126 00:18:49,470 --> 00:18:49,480 germ theory, there's absolutely no doubt 1127 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,030 germ theory, there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that atoms exist and and that 1128 00:18:52,030 --> 00:18:52,040 whatsoever that atoms exist and and that 1129 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,990 whatsoever that atoms exist and and that bacteria, you know, pathogens cause 1130 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:54,000 bacteria, you know, pathogens cause 1131 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,950 bacteria, you know, pathogens cause disease and things of that nature. The 1132 00:18:55,950 --> 00:18:55,960 disease and things of that nature. The 1133 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,190 disease and things of that nature. The these are treated as facts. So, it is 1134 00:18:58,190 --> 00:18:58,200 these are treated as facts. So, it is 1135 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,270 these are treated as facts. So, it is factually true that atoms exist, but 1136 00:19:00,270 --> 00:19:00,280 factually true that atoms exist, but 1137 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,910 factually true that atoms exist, but nevertheless in the context of history 1138 00:19:01,910 --> 00:19:01,920 nevertheless in the context of history 1139 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,190 nevertheless in the context of history of science, the idea of atoms was a 1140 00:19:04,190 --> 00:19:04,200 of science, the idea of atoms was a 1141 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,430 of science, the idea of atoms was a model that John Dalton used to 1142 00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:07,440 model that John Dalton used to 1143 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,950 model that John Dalton used to uh to to explain things about uh the 1144 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:10,960 uh to to explain things about uh the 1145 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,990 uh to to explain things about uh the numerical ratios, you know, mass 1146 00:19:12,990 --> 00:19:13,000 numerical ratios, you know, mass 1147 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,190 numerical ratios, you know, mass different amounts of mass that are 1148 00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:14,200 different amounts of mass that are 1149 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,950 different amounts of mass that are reacting and things like that. So, 1150 00:19:15,950 --> 00:19:15,960 reacting and things like that. So, 1151 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,550 reacting and things like that. So, they're they're models. They're they're 1152 00:19:17,550 --> 00:19:17,560 they're they're models. They're they're 1153 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,190 they're they're models. They're they're constructs. They're not It's not an 1154 00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:19,200 constructs. They're not It's not an 1155 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,030 constructs. They're not It's not an individual datum. That's what a theory 1156 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:21,040 individual datum. That's what a theory 1157 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,750 individual datum. That's what a theory is. So, theories never become laws. 1158 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:23,760 is. So, theories never become laws. 1159 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,550 is. So, theories never become laws. A law is a summary of observations. A 1160 00:19:25,550 --> 00:19:25,560 A law is a summary of observations. A 1161 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,190 A law is a summary of observations. A theory is an actual model that makes 1162 00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:27,200 theory is an actual model that makes 1163 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,550 theory is an actual model that makes predictions. And theories are better 1164 00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:29,560 predictions. And theories are better 1165 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,230 predictions. And theories are better than laws. They're worth more than laws 1166 00:19:31,230 --> 00:19:31,240 than laws. They're worth more than laws 1167 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,350 than laws. They're worth more than laws because they have explanatory power. Uh 1168 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:33,360 because they have explanatory power. Uh 1169 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:35,590 because they have explanatory power. Uh so, "just a theory" is a very dumb 1170 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:35,600 so, "just a theory" is a very dumb 1171 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,870 so, "just a theory" is a very dumb sentence. Um and then furthermore, 1172 00:19:37,870 --> 00:19:37,880 sentence. Um and then furthermore, 1173 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,590 sentence. Um and then furthermore, evolution is is a process. You wouldn't 1174 00:19:40,590 --> 00:19:40,600 evolution is is a process. You wouldn't 1175 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,870 evolution is is a process. You wouldn't really say evolution is a theory. Uh 1176 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:42,880 really say evolution is a theory. Uh 1177 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,190 really say evolution is a theory. Uh natural selection is a theory and then, 1178 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:45,200 natural selection is a theory and then, 1179 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,230 natural selection is a theory and then, you know, the Darwinian model kind of 1180 00:19:47,230 --> 00:19:47,240 you know, the Darwinian model kind of 1181 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,630 you know, the Darwinian model kind of evolved over time, uh ironically. And 1182 00:19:49,630 --> 00:19:49,640 evolved over time, uh ironically. And 1183 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,710 evolved over time, uh ironically. And so, you have neo neo-Darwinism and then 1184 00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:51,720 so, you have neo neo-Darwinism and then 1185 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,110 so, you have neo neo-Darwinism and then modern synthesis. So, so evolutionary 1186 00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:54,120 modern synthesis. So, so evolutionary 1187 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,070 modern synthesis. So, so evolutionary theory or evolutionary biology is a 1188 00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:56,080 theory or evolutionary biology is a 1189 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,790 theory or evolutionary biology is a model has has changed over time. But, 1190 00:19:58,790 --> 00:19:58,800 model has has changed over time. But, 1191 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,430 model has has changed over time. But, evolution is a thing that we It just 1192 00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:01,440 evolution is a thing that we It just 1193 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,830 evolution is a thing that we It just It's like It's like when flat-Earthers 1194 00:20:02,830 --> 00:20:02,840 It's like It's like when flat-Earthers 1195 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,630 It's like It's like when flat-Earthers say gravity is just a theory. You know, 1196 00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:04,640 say gravity is just a theory. You know, 1197 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,870 say gravity is just a theory. You know, gravity's not a theory. Gravity is a 1198 00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:06,880 gravity's not a theory. Gravity is a 1199 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,150 gravity's not a theory. Gravity is a natural phenomenon that exists. It can 1200 00:20:09,150 --> 00:20:09,160 natural phenomenon that exists. It can 1201 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,670 natural phenomenon that exists. It can be described by laws like Newton's law 1202 00:20:11,670 --> 00:20:11,680 be described by laws like Newton's law 1203 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:12,990 be described by laws like Newton's law of universal gravitation. It can be 1204 00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:13,000 of universal gravitation. It can be 1205 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,670 of universal gravitation. It can be described by theories like general 1206 00:20:14,670 --> 00:20:14,680 described by theories like general 1207 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,470 described by theories like general relativity. General relativity is a 1208 00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:16,480 relativity. General relativity is a 1209 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,030 relativity. General relativity is a theory of of gravity. Gravity is not a 1210 00:20:19,030 --> 00:20:19,040 theory of of gravity. Gravity is not a 1211 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,830 theory of of gravity. Gravity is not a theory. Gravity is a natural phenomenon 1212 00:20:20,830 --> 00:20:20,840 theory. Gravity is a natural phenomenon 1213 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,630 theory. Gravity is a natural phenomenon that exists, you know? And evolution is 1214 00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:22,640 that exists, you know? And evolution is 1215 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,990 that exists, you know? And evolution is a thing that we see all the time. We 1216 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:25,000 a thing that we see all the time. We 1217 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,430 a thing that we see all the time. We observe evolution every day. It's a 1218 00:20:26,430 --> 00:20:26,440 observe evolution every day. It's a 1219 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,750 observe evolution every day. It's a thing that happens. 1220 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:27,760 thing that happens. 1221 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:28,150 thing that happens. >> Yeah. 1222 00:20:28,150 --> 00:20:28,160 >> Yeah. 1223 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,190 >> Yeah. >> And we have models that can describe it 1224 00:20:30,190 --> 00:20:30,200 >> And we have models that can describe it 1225 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,670 >> And we have models that can describe it and make predictions about it, yeah. 1226 00:20:31,670 --> 00:20:31,680 and make predictions about it, yeah. 1227 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,510 and make predictions about it, yeah. >> Yeah. I did a video uh and I'm curious 1228 00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:34,520 >> Yeah. I did a video uh and I'm curious 1229 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,190 >> Yeah. I did a video uh and I'm curious if you think this is accurate. I did a 1230 00:20:36,190 --> 00:20:36,200 if you think this is accurate. I did a 1231 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,670 if you think this is accurate. I did a video and I said that to be a 1232 00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:37,680 video and I said that to be a 1233 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,030 video and I said that to be a creationist is paramount to being a 1234 00:20:40,030 --> 00:20:40,040 creationist is paramount to being a 1235 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,510 creationist is paramount to being a flat-Earther. 1236 00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:41,520 flat-Earther. 1237 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,830 flat-Earther. >> It's close. I mean, it it's it's not 1238 00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:43,840 >> It's close. I mean, it it's it's not 1239 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,030 >> It's close. I mean, it it's it's not It's almost as dumb. It's uh flat-Earth 1240 00:20:46,030 --> 00:20:46,040 It's almost as dumb. It's uh flat-Earth 1241 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,270 It's almost as dumb. It's uh flat-Earth is dumber than 1242 00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:47,280 is dumber than 1243 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:47,779 is dumber than >> Right. 1244 00:20:47,779 --> 00:20:47,789 >> Right. 1245 00:20:47,789 --> 00:20:48,030 >> Right. >> [laughter] 1246 00:20:48,030 --> 00:20:48,040 >> [laughter] 1247 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:48,830 >> [laughter] >> Yeah. 1248 00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:48,840 >> Yeah. 1249 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:49,910 >> Yeah. Because flat-Earth 1250 00:20:49,910 --> 00:20:49,920 Because flat-Earth 1251 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,990 Because flat-Earth >> footage, right? 1252 00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:51,000 >> footage, right? 1253 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,310 >> footage, right? >> Right. I Yeah, that I mean, you can just 1254 00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:53,320 >> Right. I Yeah, that I mean, you can just 1255 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,790 >> Right. I Yeah, that I mean, you can just say, "Oh, that's fake." But But, also 1256 00:20:54,790 --> 00:20:54,800 say, "Oh, that's fake." But But, also 1257 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,630 say, "Oh, that's fake." But But, also you don't need that. I mean, um the 1258 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:56,640 you don't need that. I mean, um the 1259 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,150 you don't need that. I mean, um the easiest way to disprove flat-Earth is 1260 00:20:58,150 --> 00:20:58,160 easiest way to disprove flat-Earth is 1261 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,150 easiest way to disprove flat-Earth is just very basic naked eye observations 1262 00:21:00,150 --> 00:21:00,160 just very basic naked eye observations 1263 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,750 just very basic naked eye observations of the celestial sphere. So, just the 1264 00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:01,760 of the celestial sphere. So, just the 1265 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,070 of the celestial sphere. So, just the the way that uh the my go-to is just uh 1266 00:21:05,070 --> 00:21:05,080 the way that uh the my go-to is just uh 1267 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,910 the way that uh the my go-to is just uh stars rotating around the north 1268 00:21:06,910 --> 00:21:06,920 stars rotating around the north 1269 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,790 stars rotating around the north celestial pole counter clockwise and 1270 00:21:08,790 --> 00:21:08,800 celestial pole counter clockwise and 1271 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,590 celestial pole counter clockwise and then south celestial pole clockwise 1272 00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:11,600 then south celestial pole clockwise 1273 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,470 then south celestial pole clockwise and then just stars 1274 00:21:13,470 --> 00:21:13,480 and then just stars 1275 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,030 and then just stars appearing and disappearing as you change 1276 00:21:15,030 --> 00:21:15,040 appearing and disappearing as you change 1277 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,990 appearing and disappearing as you change latitude like the night sky does not 1278 00:21:16,990 --> 00:21:17,000 latitude like the night sky does not 1279 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,870 latitude like the night sky does not make sense on a flat earth at all and so 1280 00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:18,880 make sense on a flat earth at all and so 1281 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,630 make sense on a flat earth at all and so that's what you're denying is basic 1282 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:20,640 that's what you're denying is basic 1283 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,590 that's what you're denying is basic naked eye observations and and basic 1284 00:21:22,590 --> 00:21:22,600 naked eye observations and and basic 1285 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,870 naked eye observations and and basic logic base basic spatial reasoning to be 1286 00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:24,880 logic base basic spatial reasoning to be 1287 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,870 logic base basic spatial reasoning to be a flat earther that's what you have to 1288 00:21:25,870 --> 00:21:25,880 a flat earther that's what you have to 1289 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:26,670 a flat earther that's what you have to do 1290 00:21:26,670 --> 00:21:26,680 do 1291 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,390 do creationism is a little different to 1292 00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:29,400 creationism is a little different to 1293 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,510 creationism is a little different to this is this is the measure of how dumb 1294 00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:31,520 this is this is the measure of how dumb 1295 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,310 this is this is the measure of how dumb something is to believe flat earth we 1296 00:21:33,310 --> 00:21:33,320 something is to believe flat earth we 1297 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,070 something is to believe flat earth we disproved 2500 years ago right 1298 00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:36,080 disproved 2500 years ago right 1299 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,950 disproved 2500 years ago right creationism in order to firmly debunk 1300 00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:38,960 creationism in order to firmly debunk 1301 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,870 creationism in order to firmly debunk creationism it requires like 19th 1302 00:21:41,870 --> 00:21:41,880 creationism it requires like 19th 1303 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,950 creationism it requires like 19th century science you know what I mean you 1304 00:21:43,950 --> 00:21:43,960 century science you know what I mean you 1305 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,230 century science you know what I mean you need slightly you need relatively modern 1306 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:47,240 need slightly you need relatively modern 1307 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,430 need slightly you need relatively modern science not cutting edge science 1308 00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:49,440 science not cutting edge science 1309 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,030 science not cutting edge science >> right right right 1310 00:21:50,030 --> 00:21:50,040 >> right right right 1311 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,510 >> right right right >> you need 200 years ago science to debunk 1312 00:21:52,510 --> 00:21:52,520 >> you need 200 years ago science to debunk 1313 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,750 >> you need 200 years ago science to debunk creationism you need the beginnings of 1314 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:54,760 creationism you need the beginnings of 1315 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,990 creationism you need the beginnings of modern geology and modern biology so 1316 00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:57,000 modern geology and modern biology so 1317 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,710 modern geology and modern biology so it's not as dumb as flat earth but it's 1318 00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:58,720 it's not as dumb as flat earth but it's 1319 00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,830 it's not as dumb as flat earth but it's very dumb 1320 00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:59,840 very dumb 1321 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,910 very dumb >> [laughter] 1322 00:22:01,910 --> 00:22:01,920 1323 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,190 >> uh where's the missing link 1324 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:05,200 >> uh where's the missing link 1325 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,710 >> uh where's the missing link >> for what 1326 00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:06,720 >> for what 1327 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,510 >> for what >> for 1328 00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:07,520 >> for 1329 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,390 >> for evolution that's something we used to 1330 00:22:09,390 --> 00:22:09,400 evolution that's something we used to 1331 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,830 evolution that's something we used to say that all the time in church you know 1332 00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:10,840 say that all the time in church you know 1333 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,270 say that all the time in church you know that there there's no missing link and 1334 00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:13,280 that there there's no missing link and 1335 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,950 that there there's no missing link and I'm assuming that just means the half 1336 00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:14,960 I'm assuming that just means the half 1337 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,030 I'm assuming that just means the half man half ape which 1338 00:22:16,030 --> 00:22:16,040 man half ape which 1339 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,830 man half ape which >> they're probably talking about hominid 1340 00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:17,840 >> they're probably talking about hominid 1341 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,030 >> they're probably talking about hominid evolution but but this is the irony is 1342 00:22:20,030 --> 00:22:20,040 evolution but but this is the irony is 1343 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,230 evolution but but this is the irony is like you you can say this about any 1344 00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:22,240 like you you can say this about any 1345 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,990 like you you can say this about any lineage that yielded any extant animal 1346 00:22:24,990 --> 00:22:25,000 lineage that yielded any extant animal 1347 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,430 lineage that yielded any extant animal any modern animal species and you can 1348 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:27,440 any modern animal species and you can 1349 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,030 any modern animal species and you can you can identify a lineage and go well 1350 00:22:29,030 --> 00:22:29,040 you can identify a lineage and go well 1351 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,430 you can identify a lineage and go well like what's in here and then obviously 1352 00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:31,440 like what's in here and then obviously 1353 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,470 like what's in here and then obviously paleontology will fill in those gaps but 1354 00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:34,480 paleontology will fill in those gaps but 1355 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,910 paleontology will fill in those gaps but everywhere you fill it in there's still 1356 00:22:35,910 --> 00:22:35,920 everywhere you fill it in there's still 1357 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,190 everywhere you fill it in there's still a gap between those two well like well 1358 00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:37,200 a gap between those two well like well 1359 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,790 a gap between those two well like well what's in there okay okay we found one 1360 00:22:38,790 --> 00:22:38,800 what's in there okay okay we found one 1361 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,150 what's in there okay okay we found one okay well now what's in the between 1362 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:40,160 okay well now what's in the between 1363 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,750 okay well now what's in the between there now there's two gaps instead of 1364 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:41,760 there now there's two gaps instead of 1365 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,750 there now there's two gaps instead of one you know it's just like okay we 1366 00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:43,760 one you know it's just like okay we 1367 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,790 one you know it's just like okay we don't have a fossil of every organism in 1368 00:22:46,790 --> 00:22:46,800 don't have a fossil of every organism in 1369 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,510 don't have a fossil of every organism in the history of the world but you know 1370 00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:49,520 the history of the world but you know 1371 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,550 the history of the world but you know when you have a jigsaw puzzle that's a 1372 00:22:51,550 --> 00:22:51,560 when you have a jigsaw puzzle that's a 1373 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,030 when you have a jigsaw puzzle that's a thousand pieces and you got 892 of them 1374 00:22:55,030 --> 00:22:55,040 thousand pieces and you got 892 of them 1375 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:55,790 thousand pieces and you got 892 of them you 1376 00:22:55,790 --> 00:22:55,800 you 1377 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,710 you I can we see what it is it's a hot air 1378 00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:57,720 I can we see what it is it's a hot air 1379 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,670 I can we see what it is it's a hot air balloon I can see what the picture is I 1380 00:22:59,670 --> 00:22:59,680 balloon I can see what the picture is I 1381 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,070 balloon I can see what the picture is I don't need every last pick piece to to 1382 00:23:03,070 --> 00:23:03,080 don't need every last pick piece to to 1383 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,350 don't need every last pick piece to to to get it, you know? 1384 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:04,360 to get it, you know? 1385 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:04,750 to get it, you know? >> Yeah. 1386 00:23:04,750 --> 00:23:04,760 >> Yeah. 1387 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,110 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. 1388 00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:05,120 >> Yeah. 1389 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:06,710 >> Yeah. >> Especially with DNA, it seems and I 1390 00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:06,720 >> Especially with DNA, it seems and I 1391 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,350 >> Especially with DNA, it seems and I think this is accurate. I mean, you can 1392 00:23:08,350 --> 00:23:08,360 think this is accurate. I mean, you can 1393 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,590 think this is accurate. I mean, you can correct me here, but there's there's so 1394 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:10,600 correct me here, but there's there's so 1395 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,470 correct me here, but there's there's so much like what they're calling ghost 1396 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:12,480 much like what they're calling ghost 1397 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,310 much like what they're calling ghost DNA, meaning, you know, 1398 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:14,320 DNA, meaning, you know, 1399 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,590 DNA, meaning, you know, species that we haven't actually 1400 00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:15,600 species that we haven't actually 1401 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,350 species that we haven't actually uncovered yet and and identified yet. 1402 00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:17,360 uncovered yet and and identified yet. 1403 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:18,910 uncovered yet and and identified yet. Like the Denisovans are fairly new, I 1404 00:23:18,910 --> 00:23:18,920 Like the Denisovans are fairly new, I 1405 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,070 Like the Denisovans are fairly new, I think, or 1406 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:20,080 think, or 1407 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,990 think, or different species where there's probably 1408 00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:22,000 different species where there's probably 1409 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,430 different species where there's probably some that are have have yet to be 1410 00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:23,440 some that are have have yet to be 1411 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,430 some that are have have yet to be discovered. Um 1412 00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:25,440 discovered. Um 1413 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,950 discovered. Um >> Yeah, we we discover new species every 1414 00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:26,960 >> Yeah, we we discover new species every 1415 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,030 >> Yeah, we we discover new species every day. We discover multiple new species 1416 00:23:29,030 --> 00:23:29,040 day. We discover multiple new species 1417 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,550 day. We discover multiple new species every single day. 1418 00:23:30,550 --> 00:23:30,560 every single day. 1419 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,910 every single day. You go to you go to the Amazon 1420 00:23:32,910 --> 00:23:32,920 You go to you go to the Amazon 1421 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,190 You go to you go to the Amazon rainforest or you go, you know, deep 1422 00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:35,200 rainforest or you go, you know, deep 1423 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,190 rainforest or you go, you know, deep underwater, like you find new [\h__\h] Like 1424 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:37,200 underwater, like you find new [\h__\h] Like 1425 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,630 underwater, like you find new [\h__\h] Like there's just new stuff all over the 1426 00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:38,640 there's just new stuff all over the 1427 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,870 there's just new stuff all over the place. It's crazy, but it always always 1428 00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:40,880 place. It's crazy, but it always always 1429 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,990 place. It's crazy, but it always always always always fits uh in some lineage. I 1430 00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:44,000 always always fits uh in some lineage. I 1431 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,470 always always fits uh in some lineage. I mean, sometimes there is sometimes they 1432 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:46,480 mean, sometimes there is sometimes they 1433 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,350 mean, sometimes there is sometimes they So, 1434 00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:47,360 So, 1435 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,230 So, the the subtleties of phylogeny are 1436 00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:49,240 the the subtleties of phylogeny are 1437 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,630 the the subtleties of phylogeny are always in flux, right? If you get down 1438 00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:51,640 always in flux, right? If you get down 1439 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,830 always in flux, right? If you get down to like the family and and genus or or 1440 00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:54,840 to like the family and and genus or or 1441 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,950 to like the family and and genus or or even even higher. I mean, they they do 1442 00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:56,960 even even higher. I mean, they they do 1443 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,910 even even higher. I mean, they they do restructure, but that's just human 1444 00:23:58,910 --> 00:23:58,920 restructure, but that's just human 1445 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,550 restructure, but that's just human categorization, right? Nature doesn't 1446 00:24:00,550 --> 00:24:00,560 categorization, right? Nature doesn't 1447 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,950 categorization, right? Nature doesn't care about that. Nature just does 1448 00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:01,960 care about that. Nature just does 1449 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,350 care about that. Nature just does whatever it does. Um so, the way we 1450 00:24:04,350 --> 00:24:04,360 whatever it does. Um so, the way we 1451 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,670 whatever it does. Um so, the way we categorize everything and sometimes we 1452 00:24:06,670 --> 00:24:06,680 categorize everything and sometimes we 1453 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,190 categorize everything and sometimes we go, "Oh, wait, actually this might be 1454 00:24:08,190 --> 00:24:08,200 go, "Oh, wait, actually this might be 1455 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,950 go, "Oh, wait, actually this might be more basal." We're we're kind of 1456 00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:09,960 more basal." We're we're kind of 1457 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,990 more basal." We're we're kind of shifting stuff around, but there's never 1458 00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:12,000 shifting stuff around, but there's never 1459 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,670 shifting stuff around, but there's never anything that's like, 1460 00:24:13,670 --> 00:24:13,680 anything that's like, 1461 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,230 anything that's like, "What? Like this doesn't make any sense 1462 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:16,240 "What? Like this doesn't make any sense 1463 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,350 "What? Like this doesn't make any sense evolution" That never happens, right? 1464 00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:18,360 evolution" That never happens, right? 1465 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,270 evolution" That never happens, right? There's always, you know, this looks 1466 00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:20,280 There's always, you know, this looks 1467 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,590 There's always, you know, this looks like it's in this phylum and it's 1468 00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:21,600 like it's in this phylum and it's 1469 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,230 like it's in this phylum and it's probably related to the you know, it's 1470 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:24,240 probably related to the you know, it's 1471 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,790 probably related to the you know, it's uh everything makes sense, you know. 1472 00:24:25,790 --> 00:24:25,800 uh everything makes sense, you know. 1473 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,150 uh everything makes sense, you know. >> Yeah, so you're saying we won't find 1474 00:24:27,150 --> 00:24:27,160 >> Yeah, so you're saying we won't find 1475 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,510 >> Yeah, so you're saying we won't find Atlantis or an advanced civilization 1476 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:29,520 Atlantis or an advanced civilization 1477 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,430 Atlantis or an advanced civilization that 1478 00:24:30,430 --> 00:24:30,440 that 1479 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,910 that >> Well, that's a whole that's a whole 1480 00:24:31,910 --> 00:24:31,920 >> Well, that's a whole that's a whole 1481 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,470 >> Well, that's a whole that's a whole other kettle of fish. 1482 00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:33,480 other kettle of fish. 1483 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,066 other kettle of fish. >> I know. I won't I won't 1484 00:24:35,066 --> 00:24:35,076 >> I know. I won't I won't 1485 00:24:35,076 --> 00:24:36,590 >> I know. I won't I won't >> [laughter] 1486 00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:36,600 >> [laughter] 1487 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,430 >> [laughter] >> All right, let's let's stay on track. 1488 00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:38,440 >> All right, let's let's stay on track. 1489 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,990 >> All right, let's let's stay on track. Sorry. Believing something by faith. 1490 00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:42,000 Sorry. Believing something by faith. 1491 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,430 Sorry. Believing something by faith. >> Mhm. 1492 00:24:42,430 --> 00:24:42,440 >> Mhm. 1493 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,350 >> Mhm. >> You know, in in in Christianity, so as 1494 00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:44,360 >> You know, in in in Christianity, so as 1495 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,350 >> You know, in in in Christianity, so as an evangelical a former evangelical 1496 00:24:46,350 --> 00:24:46,360 an evangelical a former evangelical 1497 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,070 an evangelical a former evangelical Christian now atheist, 1498 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:48,080 Christian now atheist, 1499 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,550 Christian now atheist, you know, faith was was it was a virtue. 1500 00:24:50,550 --> 00:24:50,560 you know, faith was was it was a virtue. 1501 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,230 you know, faith was was it was a virtue. You know, it was it was you know, 1502 00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:52,240 You know, it was it was you know, 1503 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,150 You know, it was it was you know, there's a story in the Bible where 1504 00:24:54,150 --> 00:24:54,160 there's a story in the Bible where 1505 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,870 there's a story in the Bible where Thomas doubt doubting Thomas, right? 1506 00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:55,880 Thomas doubt doubting Thomas, right? 1507 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,790 Thomas doubt doubting Thomas, right? Didn't believe in that Jesus resurrected 1508 00:24:58,790 --> 00:24:58,800 Didn't believe in that Jesus resurrected 1509 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,870 Didn't believe in that Jesus resurrected and so, you know, someone wrote down 1510 00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:00,880 and so, you know, someone wrote down 1511 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,830 and so, you know, someone wrote down that Jesus did appear and said to 1512 00:25:02,830 --> 00:25:02,840 that Jesus did appear and said to 1513 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,910 that Jesus did appear and said to Thomas, you know, hey, you don't 1514 00:25:03,910 --> 00:25:03,920 Thomas, you know, hey, you don't 1515 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,230 Thomas, you know, hey, you don't believe, you know, you're it's greater 1516 00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:06,240 believe, you know, you're it's greater 1517 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,990 believe, you know, you're it's greater to believe without seeing, but you know, 1518 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:08,000 to believe without seeing, but you know, 1519 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,590 to believe without seeing, but you know, since you don't believe, I'm going to 1520 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:09,600 since you don't believe, I'm going to 1521 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,030 since you don't believe, I'm going to show you the nail scars and all that 1522 00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:11,040 show you the nail scars and all that 1523 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,310 show you the nail scars and all that [\h__\h] 1524 00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:12,320 [\h__\h] 1525 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,190 [\h__\h] >> Trying to make it seem virtuous to blind 1526 00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:15,200 >> Trying to make it seem virtuous to blind 1527 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,870 >> Trying to make it seem virtuous to blind faith. Right, blind faith is a foible, 1528 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:16,880 faith. Right, blind faith is a foible, 1529 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,710 faith. Right, blind faith is a foible, it's not a it's not a virtue. You can 1530 00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:18,720 it's not a it's not a virtue. You can 1531 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,310 it's not a it's not a virtue. You can have it, but let's be realistic here, 1532 00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:21,320 have it, but let's be realistic here, 1533 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,070 have it, but let's be realistic here, you know. 1534 00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:22,080 you know. 1535 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:22,910 you know. >> Yeah. [snorts] 1536 00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:22,920 >> Yeah. [snorts] 1537 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,670 >> Yeah. [snorts] So, yeah, so your your thoughts on on 1538 00:25:24,670 --> 00:25:24,680 So, yeah, so your your thoughts on on 1539 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,467 So, yeah, so your your thoughts on on believing in anything just by faith. 1540 00:25:27,467 --> 00:25:27,477 believing in anything just by faith. 1541 00:25:27,477 --> 00:25:27,870 believing in anything just by faith. >> [snorts] 1542 00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:27,880 >> [snorts] 1543 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,390 >> [snorts] >> I mean, you're welcome to do it and it's 1544 00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:30,400 >> I mean, you're welcome to do it and it's 1545 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,790 >> I mean, you're welcome to do it and it's like I have faith, what do I have faith 1546 00:25:32,790 --> 00:25:32,800 like I have faith, what do I have faith 1547 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,470 like I have faith, what do I have faith in? I have faith that 1548 00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:35,480 in? I have faith that 1549 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,470 in? I have faith that that 1550 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:36,480 that 1551 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,510 that I will, you know, live live my whole 1552 00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:39,520 I will, you know, live live my whole 1553 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,350 I will, you know, live live my whole life and or I have faith that 1554 00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:41,360 life and or I have faith that 1555 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:42,790 life and or I have faith that everything's going to go well today or 1556 00:25:42,790 --> 00:25:42,800 everything's going to go well today or 1557 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,430 everything's going to go well today or you know, you know, we have faith in in 1558 00:25:44,430 --> 00:25:44,440 you know, you know, we have faith in in 1559 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,230 you know, you know, we have faith in in I I faith in trivial things, I think. 1560 00:25:47,230 --> 00:25:47,240 I I faith in trivial things, I think. 1561 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,110 I I faith in trivial things, I think. But the the the desperate projection of 1562 00:25:50,110 --> 00:25:50,120 But the the the desperate projection of 1563 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,630 But the the the desperate projection of blind faith onto science and scientific 1564 00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:52,640 blind faith onto science and scientific 1565 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,470 blind faith onto science and scientific process is something that creationists 1566 00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:54,480 process is something that creationists 1567 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,830 process is something that creationists do all the time because they want to 1568 00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:55,840 do all the time because they want to 1569 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,270 do all the time because they want to level the playing field. Right, science 1570 00:25:58,270 --> 00:25:58,280 level the playing field. Right, science 1571 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,190 level the playing field. Right, science is antithetical to faith. It is the 1572 00:26:00,190 --> 00:26:00,200 is antithetical to faith. It is the 1573 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,310 is antithetical to faith. It is the precise opposite of faith. It is 1574 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:02,320 precise opposite of faith. It is 1575 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,110 precise opposite of faith. It is evidence-based and reason-based. It is 1576 00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:05,120 evidence-based and reason-based. It is 1577 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,630 evidence-based and reason-based. It is data-driven. Right, this is what the 1578 00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:06,640 data-driven. Right, this is what the 1579 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,630 data-driven. Right, this is what the data suggests. So, we don't have faith 1580 00:26:09,630 --> 00:26:09,640 data suggests. So, we don't have faith 1581 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,110 data suggests. So, we don't have faith in anything. We science is the faith has 1582 00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:12,120 in anything. We science is the faith has 1583 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:13,710 in anything. We science is the faith has does not enter into it for a single 1584 00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:13,720 does not enter into it for a single 1585 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,390 does not enter into it for a single second. We we gather data and this is 1586 00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:16,400 second. We we gather data and this is 1587 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,910 second. We we gather data and this is what the data suggested. This is the 1588 00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:17,920 what the data suggested. This is the 1589 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,950 what the data suggested. This is the this is the current scientific 1590 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:18,960 this is the current scientific 1591 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,350 this is the current scientific consensus. 1592 00:26:20,350 --> 00:26:20,360 consensus. 1593 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:21,830 consensus. But the desire to level the playing 1594 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:21,840 But the desire to level the playing 1595 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,030 But the desire to level the playing field is there. So, they say that you 1596 00:26:24,030 --> 00:26:24,040 field is there. So, they say that you 1597 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,190 field is there. So, they say that you know, science is religion and evolution 1598 00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:26,200 know, science is religion and evolution 1599 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,350 know, science is religion and evolution is religion and this is why they will 1600 00:26:28,350 --> 00:26:28,360 is religion and this is why they will 1601 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,790 is religion and this is why they will obsess about Darwin 1602 00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:30,800 obsess about Darwin 1603 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,510 obsess about Darwin and just talk about Darwin all day long 1604 00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:32,520 and just talk about Darwin all day long 1605 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,830 and just talk about Darwin all day long because they want Darwin to be a prophet 1606 00:26:34,830 --> 00:26:34,840 because they want Darwin to be a prophet 1607 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,190 because they want Darwin to be a prophet like Jesus is a prophet 1608 00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:37,200 like Jesus is a prophet 1609 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,590 like Jesus is a prophet as though as though 1610 00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:39,600 as though as though 1611 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,310 as though as though you know, origin of origin of species is 1612 00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:42,320 you know, origin of origin of species is 1613 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,550 you know, origin of origin of species is some kind of scripture and that nothing 1614 00:26:44,550 --> 00:26:44,560 some kind of scripture and that nothing 1615 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,510 some kind of scripture and that nothing has changed since then. Right, 1616 00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:46,520 has changed since then. Right, 1617 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,670 has changed since then. Right, evolutionary biology would be completely 1618 00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:48,680 evolutionary biology would be completely 1619 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,510 evolutionary biology would be completely unrecognizable to Darwin. You'd have no 1620 00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:50,520 unrecognizable to Darwin. You'd have no 1621 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,070 unrecognizable to Darwin. You'd have no idea what's going on. 1622 00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:52,080 idea what's going on. 1623 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,190 idea what's going on. It just has nothing to do I mean the the 1624 00:26:54,190 --> 00:26:54,200 It just has nothing to do I mean the the 1625 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,870 It just has nothing to do I mean the the the core principles are there and have 1626 00:26:55,870 --> 00:26:55,880 the core principles are there and have 1627 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,670 the core principles are there and have been validated many times over. But he 1628 00:26:58,670 --> 00:26:58,680 been validated many times over. But he 1629 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,230 been validated many times over. But he the whole field of genetics like he 1630 00:27:00,230 --> 00:27:00,240 the whole field of genetics like he 1631 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,390 the whole field of genetics like he didn't know what DNA is like he would 1632 00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:02,400 didn't know what DNA is like he would 1633 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,430 didn't know what DNA is like he would have no idea what's going on, right? So 1634 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:04,440 have no idea what's going on, right? So 1635 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,110 have no idea what's going on, right? So that's very different from a book that's 1636 00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:06,120 that's very different from a book that's 1637 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,670 that's very different from a book that's like the these are facts and you can't 1638 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:08,680 like the these are facts and you can't 1639 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,190 like the these are facts and you can't they will never change and you can't 1640 00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:10,200 they will never change and you can't 1641 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,310 they will never change and you can't question them. Right, that's not that's 1642 00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:12,320 question them. Right, that's not that's 1643 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,110 question them. Right, that's not that's the exact opposite of what science is. 1644 00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:14,120 the exact opposite of what science is. 1645 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:14,510 the exact opposite of what science is. So 1646 00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:14,520 So 1647 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,110 So >> Right. I think one of the one of the 1648 00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:16,120 >> Right. I think one of the one of the 1649 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,030 >> Right. I think one of the one of the arguments that you know, I watched a lot 1650 00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:18,040 arguments that you know, I watched a lot 1651 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,990 arguments that you know, I watched a lot of debates in my beginning of my 1652 00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:20,000 of debates in my beginning of my 1653 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,270 of debates in my beginning of my deconstruction process and I forget who 1654 00:27:22,270 --> 00:27:22,280 deconstruction process and I forget who 1655 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,550 deconstruction process and I forget who it was now I've watched so many. They 1656 00:27:24,550 --> 00:27:24,560 it was now I've watched so many. They 1657 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,150 it was now I've watched so many. They brought up you know, would you want to 1658 00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:26,160 brought up you know, would you want to 1659 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,910 brought up you know, would you want to be arrested 1660 00:27:27,910 --> 00:27:27,920 be arrested 1661 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,510 be arrested and and put on trial for a murder based 1662 00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:32,520 and and put on trial for a murder based 1663 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,510 and and put on trial for a murder based upon faith 1664 00:27:34,510 --> 00:27:34,520 upon faith 1665 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,430 upon faith especially knowing your innocent you 1666 00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:36,440 especially knowing your innocent you 1667 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,470 especially knowing your innocent you know, or would you want them to enter 1668 00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:38,480 know, or would you want them to enter 1669 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,870 know, or would you want them to enter into the trial evidence, you know, real 1670 00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:41,880 into the trial evidence, you know, real 1671 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,510 into the trial evidence, you know, real substantial evidence to to free you. 1672 00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:45,520 substantial evidence to to free you. 1673 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:45,750 substantial evidence to to free you. >> Yeah. 1674 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:45,760 >> Yeah. 1675 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,150 >> Yeah. >> And well, you know, 1676 00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:48,160 >> And well, you know, 1677 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,510 >> And well, you know, I don't think there's anyone that's like 1678 00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:49,520 I don't think there's anyone that's like 1679 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,750 I don't think there's anyone that's like I don't think the faith. 1680 00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:50,760 I don't think the faith. 1681 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,670 I don't think the faith. >> Right. 1682 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:51,680 >> Right. 1683 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,230 >> Right. >> And that that really was a 1684 00:27:53,230 --> 00:27:53,240 >> And that that really was a 1685 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,710 >> And that that really was a >> DNA evidence incriminating someone else, 1686 00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:54,720 >> DNA evidence incriminating someone else, 1687 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:55,190 >> DNA evidence incriminating someone else, please. 1688 00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:55,200 please. 1689 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,790 please. >> Right. Yeah, I'll definitely take that. 1690 00:27:57,790 --> 00:27:57,800 >> Right. Yeah, I'll definitely take that. 1691 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,350 >> Right. Yeah, I'll definitely take that. Okay, what about the what about this 1692 00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:59,360 Okay, what about the what about this 1693 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,030 Okay, what about the what about this whole thing the god-shaped hole in our 1694 00:28:02,030 --> 00:28:02,040 whole thing the god-shaped hole in our 1695 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,590 whole thing the god-shaped hole in our hearts that I I I used to talk about 1696 00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:04,600 hearts that I I I used to talk about 1697 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,590 hearts that I I I used to talk about I've heard people talk about. You think 1698 00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:06,600 I've heard people talk about. You think 1699 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,270 I've heard people talk about. You think that's just more of a cultural thing or 1700 00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:08,280 that's just more of a cultural thing or 1701 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,190 that's just more of a cultural thing or more just part of evolution? 1702 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:11,200 more just part of evolution? 1703 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,790 more just part of evolution? >> I mean yeah, it's an interesting 1704 00:28:12,790 --> 00:28:12,800 >> I mean yeah, it's an interesting 1705 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,070 >> I mean yeah, it's an interesting question number one is that even really 1706 00:28:15,070 --> 00:28:15,080 question number one is that even really 1707 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,150 question number one is that even really a thing and number two how much how much 1708 00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:18,160 a thing and number two how much how much 1709 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,150 a thing and number two how much how much is biological versus cultural. It could 1710 00:28:22,150 --> 00:28:22,160 is biological versus cultural. It could 1711 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,190 is biological versus cultural. It could be both. I mean I I think that we 1712 00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:25,200 be both. I mean I I think that we 1713 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,830 be both. I mean I I think that we definitely instinctually look yearn for 1714 00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:28,840 definitely instinctually look yearn for 1715 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,230 definitely instinctually look yearn for answers and in absence of answers in 1716 00:28:31,230 --> 00:28:31,240 answers and in absence of answers in 1717 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,510 answers and in absence of answers in absence of legitimate answers, we come 1718 00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:33,520 absence of legitimate answers, we come 1719 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,799 absence of legitimate answers, we come up with myths, 1720 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:34,809 up with myths, 1721 00:28:34,809 --> 00:28:34,830 up with myths, >> [snorts] 1722 00:28:34,830 --> 00:28:34,840 >> [snorts] 1723 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,750 >> [snorts] >> right? We come up with mythology. 1724 00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:36,760 >> right? We come up with mythology. 1725 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,430 >> right? We come up with mythology. Um 1726 00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:37,440 Um 1727 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,710 Um And 1728 00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:38,720 And 1729 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,310 And I don't think it's 1730 00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:40,320 I don't think it's 1731 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,870 I don't think it's the the concept of deism detached from 1732 00:28:43,870 --> 00:28:43,880 the the concept of deism detached from 1733 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,270 the the concept of deism detached from religion is not an outrageous um 1734 00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:47,280 religion is not an outrageous um 1735 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,310 religion is not an outrageous um thing to to believe or or hold. I don't 1736 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:49,320 thing to to believe or or hold. I don't 1737 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,710 thing to to believe or or hold. I don't personally have that belief, but um 1738 00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:51,720 personally have that belief, but um 1739 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,990 personally have that belief, but um uh so I don't know. I part of it is just 1740 00:28:54,990 --> 00:28:55,000 uh so I don't know. I part of it is just 1741 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,790 uh so I don't know. I part of it is just sort of rhetoric. Part of it is just 1742 00:28:56,790 --> 00:28:56,800 sort of rhetoric. Part of it is just 1743 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,070 sort of rhetoric. Part of it is just like you need God, you know, you need 1744 00:28:59,070 --> 00:28:59,080 like you need God, you know, you need 1745 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,670 like you need God, you know, you need God to be complete and everything, and 1746 00:29:00,670 --> 00:29:00,680 God to be complete and everything, and 1747 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,310 God to be complete and everything, and everybody who doesn't believe in God is 1748 00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:02,320 everybody who doesn't believe in God is 1749 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,110 everybody who doesn't believe in God is secretly angry at God or or or hiding or 1750 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:05,120 secretly angry at God or or or hiding or 1751 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,590 secretly angry at God or or or hiding or I whatever which unhappy unhappy 1752 00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:07,600 I whatever which unhappy unhappy 1753 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,430 I whatever which unhappy unhappy whatever defense mechanisms they use to 1754 00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:10,440 whatever defense mechanisms they use to 1755 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,510 whatever defense mechanisms they use to convince themselves that they're in the 1756 00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:11,520 convince themselves that they're in the 1757 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,070 convince themselves that they're in the right. Um but uh in terms of 1758 00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:14,080 right. Um but uh in terms of 1759 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,070 right. Um but uh in terms of evolutionary biology and and the degree 1760 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:16,080 evolutionary biology and and the degree 1761 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,990 evolutionary biology and and the degree to which we are driven to seek divinity, 1762 00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:20,000 to which we are driven to seek divinity, 1763 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,430 to which we are driven to seek divinity, it's an interesting question. I I I 1764 00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:21,440 it's an interesting question. I I I 1765 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,070 it's an interesting question. I I I don't know what the current research is 1766 00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:23,080 don't know what the current research is 1767 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,150 don't know what the current research is on that, but yeah. 1768 00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:24,160 on that, but yeah. 1769 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,670 on that, but yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fascinating. It's 1770 00:29:25,670 --> 00:29:25,680 >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fascinating. It's 1771 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,990 >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fascinating. It's nice to hear you say that, you know, I'm 1772 00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:27,000 nice to hear you say that, you know, I'm 1773 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,510 nice to hear you say that, you know, I'm I'm a atheist, you know, I don't believe 1774 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:29,520 I'm a atheist, you know, I don't believe 1775 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,190 I'm a atheist, you know, I don't believe in any god. 1776 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:31,200 in any god. 1777 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,270 in any god. Um though I often say, you know, I'm 1778 00:29:33,270 --> 00:29:33,280 Um though I often say, you know, I'm 1779 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,910 Um though I often say, you know, I'm agnostic. I mean, is there a god out 1780 00:29:34,910 --> 00:29:34,920 agnostic. I mean, is there a god out 1781 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,190 agnostic. I mean, is there a god out there? I mean, how the hell could I 1782 00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:36,200 there? I mean, how the hell could I 1783 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,390 there? I mean, how the hell could I know? I don't know, you know? I mean, I 1784 00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:38,400 know? I don't know, you know? I mean, I 1785 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,070 know? I don't know, you know? I mean, I I don't see any evidence for that. 1786 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:40,080 I don't see any evidence for that. 1787 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:40,630 I don't see any evidence for that. That's why I 1788 00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:40,640 That's why I 1789 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,110 That's why I >> It sure as [\h__\h] is not the Abrahamic 1790 00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:42,120 >> It sure as [\h__\h] is not the Abrahamic 1791 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,430 >> It sure as [\h__\h] is not the Abrahamic God, but could there be one? Yeah. 1792 00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:44,440 God, but could there be one? Yeah. 1793 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,950 God, but could there be one? Yeah. >> That's exactly what I say, Professor 1794 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:45,960 >> That's exactly what I say, Professor 1795 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,630 >> That's exactly what I say, Professor Dave. I say, "Listen, I am absolutely 1796 00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:47,640 Dave. I say, "Listen, I am absolutely 1797 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,190 Dave. I say, "Listen, I am absolutely atheist. I know that God doesn't exist 1798 00:29:50,190 --> 00:29:50,200 atheist. I know that God doesn't exist 1799 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,070 atheist. I know that God doesn't exist nor any god of of any uh religion that 1800 00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:53,080 nor any god of of any uh religion that 1801 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,270 nor any god of of any uh religion that man created." 1802 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:54,280 man created." 1803 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:54,590 man created." >> Right. 1804 00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:54,600 >> Right. 1805 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,790 >> Right. >> Um but, you know, is there something way 1806 00:29:56,790 --> 00:29:56,800 >> Um but, you know, is there something way 1807 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,790 >> Um but, you know, is there something way out there? How the hell could I even 1808 00:29:58,790 --> 00:29:58,800 out there? How the hell could I even 1809 00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,110 out there? How the hell could I even know? 1810 00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:59,120 know? 1811 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,670 know? >> cannot disprove it nor will we probably 1812 00:30:01,670 --> 00:30:01,680 >> cannot disprove it nor will we probably 1813 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,790 >> cannot disprove it nor will we probably ever 1814 00:30:02,790 --> 00:30:02,800 ever 1815 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,590 ever disprove that. I mean, that's yeah, we 1816 00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:04,600 disprove that. I mean, that's yeah, we 1817 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,070 disprove that. I mean, that's yeah, we can't do that. So, yeah. 1818 00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:06,080 can't do that. So, yeah. 1819 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,430 can't do that. So, yeah. >> Uh this is this is kind of on topic but 1820 00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:08,440 >> Uh this is this is kind of on topic but 1821 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,270 >> Uh this is this is kind of on topic but on topic off topic. Uh so, all the alien 1822 00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:11,280 on topic off topic. Uh so, all the alien 1823 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,590 on topic off topic. Uh so, all the alien [\h__\h] I'm I'm a I'm an I don't believe 1824 00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:13,600 [\h__\h] I'm I'm a I'm an I don't believe 1825 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,470 [\h__\h] I'm I'm a I'm an I don't believe in it. I believe that there's 1826 00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:14,480 in it. I believe that there's 1827 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,670 in it. I believe that there's potentially life out there in the 1828 00:30:15,670 --> 00:30:15,680 potentially life out there in the 1829 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,230 potentially life out there in the universe somewhere. It's a big universe. 1830 00:30:17,230 --> 00:30:17,240 universe somewhere. It's a big universe. 1831 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,590 universe somewhere. It's a big universe. There's a lot of [\h__\h] out there. Uh you 1832 00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:19,600 There's a lot of [\h__\h] out there. Uh you 1833 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,470 There's a lot of [\h__\h] out there. Uh you know, but have they been here? You know, 1834 00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:21,480 know, but have they been here? You know, 1835 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,870 know, but have they been here? You know, have they probed anybody? You know, I 1836 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:24,880 have they probed anybody? You know, I 1837 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,910 have they probed anybody? You know, I don't believe that at all. Uh I don't 1838 00:30:26,910 --> 00:30:26,920 don't believe that at all. Uh I don't 1839 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,510 don't believe that at all. Uh I don't believe that the government the US 1840 00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:28,520 believe that the government the US 1841 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,310 believe that the government the US government is is holding some, you know, 1842 00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:31,320 government is is holding some, you know, 1843 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,270 government is is holding some, you know, biological material from an alien. I 1844 00:30:33,270 --> 00:30:33,280 biological material from an alien. I 1845 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,790 biological material from an alien. I don't believe any of that. I'm just 1846 00:30:34,790 --> 00:30:34,800 don't believe any of that. I'm just 1847 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,110 don't believe any of that. I'm just curious. What's since that's kind of a 1848 00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:36,120 curious. What's since that's kind of a 1849 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,070 curious. What's since that's kind of a hot topic now, yeah, what's your two 1850 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:38,080 hot topic now, yeah, what's your two 1851 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:38,870 hot topic now, yeah, what's your two cents on that? 1852 00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:38,880 cents on that? 1853 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,390 cents on that? >> Uh same. Exact same. Uh the more 1854 00:30:41,390 --> 00:30:41,400 >> Uh same. Exact same. Uh the more 1855 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,350 >> Uh same. Exact same. Uh the more alarming and interesting thing to 1856 00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:43,360 alarming and interesting thing to 1857 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,310 alarming and interesting thing to discuss is why 1858 00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:45,320 discuss is why 1859 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,550 discuss is why all of this disclosure rhetoric is now 1860 00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:47,560 all of this disclosure rhetoric is now 1861 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,510 all of this disclosure rhetoric is now being pushed by the government and and 1862 00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:50,520 being pushed by the government and and 1863 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,110 being pushed by the government and and and the and the hilarious parade 1864 00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:53,120 and the and the hilarious parade 1865 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,150 and the and the hilarious parade >> Look here. Look over here. 1866 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:54,160 >> Look here. Look over here. 1867 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,550 >> Look here. Look over here. >> Yeah, and the the hilarious parade of 1868 00:30:57,550 --> 00:30:57,560 >> Yeah, and the the hilarious parade of 1869 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,830 >> Yeah, and the the hilarious parade of of 1870 00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:58,840 of 1871 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,310 of you know 1872 00:31:01,310 --> 00:31:01,320 you know 1873 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,710 you know the like the the exact people who were 1874 00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:03,720 the like the the exact people who were 1875 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,230 the like the the exact people who were just like the government is lying to us. 1876 00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:05,240 just like the government is lying to us. 1877 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,510 just like the government is lying to us. The government is lying to us. The 1878 00:31:06,510 --> 00:31:06,520 The government is lying to us. The 1879 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,910 The government is lying to us. The government is lying to us. Um hey, 1880 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:08,920 government is lying to us. Um hey, 1881 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,830 government is lying to us. Um hey, there's aliens. The government said so. 1882 00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:10,840 there's aliens. The government said so. 1883 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,070 there's aliens. The government said so. Like it's just dude, have some [\h__\h] 1884 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:14,080 Like it's just dude, have some [\h__\h] 1885 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,790 Like it's just dude, have some [\h__\h] great point in your epistemology. It's 1886 00:31:16,790 --> 00:31:16,800 great point in your epistemology. It's 1887 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,550 great point in your epistemology. It's just like it blows my mind. Like what 1888 00:31:19,550 --> 00:31:19,560 just like it blows my mind. Like what 1889 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,590 just like it blows my mind. Like what that now now you're like the government 1890 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:21,600 that now now you're like the government 1891 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,070 that now now you're like the government tell told me the thing I like so I'm 1892 00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:23,080 tell told me the thing I like so I'm 1893 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,910 tell told me the thing I like so I'm going to Um so I don't really know what 1894 00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:24,920 going to Um so I don't really know what 1895 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,750 going to Um so I don't really know what it is. I mean it's 1896 00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:26,760 it is. I mean it's 1897 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,750 it is. I mean it's there's a component that's a 1898 00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:27,760 there's a component that's a 1899 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,510 there's a component that's a distraction. There's a component that's 1900 00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:29,520 distraction. There's a component that's 1901 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,230 distraction. There's a component that's like weird Zionist stuff. Like I I don't 1902 00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:32,240 like weird Zionist stuff. Like I I don't 1903 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,390 like weird Zionist stuff. Like I I don't know what's going on. Um but like Avi 1904 00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:35,400 know what's going on. Um but like Avi 1905 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,430 know what's going on. Um but like Avi Loeb heading the the UAP advisory 1906 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:38,440 Loeb heading the the UAP advisory 1907 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,166 Loeb heading the the UAP advisory committee, it's like dude. 1908 00:31:40,166 --> 00:31:40,176 committee, it's like dude. 1909 00:31:40,176 --> 00:31:40,270 committee, it's like dude. >> [sighs] 1910 00:31:40,270 --> 00:31:40,280 >> [sighs] 1911 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,430 >> [sighs] >> Grifter central get you know, like 1912 00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:43,440 >> Grifter central get you know, like 1913 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,710 >> Grifter central get you know, like everything is is super shady about all 1914 00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:45,720 everything is is super shady about all 1915 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,190 everything is is super shady about all of it. Um and everyone's talking about 1916 00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:48,200 of it. Um and everyone's talking about 1917 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,350 of it. Um and everyone's talking about this crap. It's just like it really 1918 00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:50,360 this crap. It's just like it really 1919 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,750 this crap. It's just like it really really blows my mind. But 1920 00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:51,760 really blows my mind. But 1921 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,910 really blows my mind. But >> Yeah. Yeah, cuz to me honestly to me it 1922 00:31:54,910 --> 00:31:54,920 >> Yeah. Yeah, cuz to me honestly to me it 1923 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,990 >> Yeah. Yeah, cuz to me honestly to me it it is parallel to like I left the land 1924 00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:58,000 it is parallel to like I left the land 1925 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,750 it is parallel to like I left the land of of conspiracy theory religion. 1926 00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:00,760 of of conspiracy theory religion. 1927 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,550 of of conspiracy theory religion. >> Mhm. 1928 00:32:01,550 --> 00:32:01,560 >> Mhm. 1929 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,630 >> Mhm. >> And to me this is just a different kind 1930 00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:03,640 >> And to me this is just a different kind 1931 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,990 >> And to me this is just a different kind of the same [\h__\h] thing. 1932 00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:06,000 of the same [\h__\h] thing. 1933 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,750 of the same [\h__\h] thing. It's the same it's the same [\h__\h] Like 1934 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:09,760 It's the same it's the same [\h__\h] Like 1935 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,350 It's the same it's the same [\h__\h] Like believing something because someone said 1936 00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:12,360 believing something because someone said 1937 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,990 believing something because someone said some [\h__\h] and you have a weird video 1938 00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:15,000 some [\h__\h] and you have a weird video 1939 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,190 some [\h__\h] and you have a weird video with something that's you can't for sure 1940 00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:17,200 with something that's you can't for sure 1941 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,830 with something that's you can't for sure tell exactly what it is, you know. 1942 00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:19,840 tell exactly what it is, you know. 1943 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,350 tell exactly what it is, you know. Uh for sure. You know. 1944 00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:21,360 Uh for sure. You know. 1945 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,990 Uh for sure. You know. >> Yeah, I mean it's tricky because like 1946 00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:24,000 >> Yeah, I mean it's tricky because like 1947 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,190 >> Yeah, I mean it's tricky because like the way we learn these days is by 1948 00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:26,200 the way we learn these days is by 1949 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,030 the way we learn these days is by listening to people say things and there 1950 00:32:28,030 --> 00:32:28,040 listening to people say things and there 1951 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,350 listening to people say things and there are people who say true things and there 1952 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:29,360 are people who say true things and there 1953 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,790 are people who say true things and there are people who say false things. And 1954 00:32:31,790 --> 00:32:31,800 are people who say false things. And 1955 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,070 are people who say false things. And there are people who say false things 1956 00:32:33,070 --> 00:32:33,080 there are people who say false things 1957 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,310 there are people who say false things that are very very clever and are able 1958 00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:35,320 that are very very clever and are able 1959 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,350 that are very very clever and are able to 1960 00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:36,360 to 1961 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,270 to make it compelling and seem like they 1962 00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:38,280 make it compelling and seem like they 1963 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,510 make it compelling and seem like they are referencing factual data and but 1964 00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:41,520 are referencing factual data and but 1965 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,950 are referencing factual data and but they're not you know what I mean it just 1966 00:32:43,950 --> 00:32:43,960 they're not you know what I mean it just 1967 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,270 they're not you know what I mean it just so it becomes a quagmire right it 1968 00:32:46,270 --> 00:32:46,280 so it becomes a quagmire right it 1969 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,790 so it becomes a quagmire right it becomes the job of a science 1970 00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:48,800 becomes the job of a science 1971 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,790 becomes the job of a science communicator to take all the false 1972 00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:50,800 communicator to take all the false 1973 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,030 communicator to take all the false claims and go hey this sounds very 1974 00:32:53,030 --> 00:32:53,040 claims and go hey this sounds very 1975 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,230 claims and go hey this sounds very convincing to you they make it seem like 1976 00:32:55,230 --> 00:32:55,240 convincing to you they make it seem like 1977 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,390 convincing to you they make it seem like they're referencing such and such study 1978 00:32:57,390 --> 00:32:57,400 they're referencing such and such study 1979 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,030 they're referencing such and such study or whatever we see it well with all the 1980 00:32:59,030 --> 00:32:59,040 or whatever we see it well with all the 1981 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,710 or whatever we see it well with all the anti-vax stuff and all the old health 1982 00:33:00,710 --> 00:33:00,720 anti-vax stuff and all the old health 1983 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,630 anti-vax stuff and all the old health stuff right they are you know look at 1984 00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:02,640 stuff right they are you know look at 1985 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,310 stuff right they are you know look at this study that says that this you know 1986 00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:05,320 this study that says that this you know 1987 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,470 this study that says that this you know vaccine causes this thing or no it 1988 00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:07,480 vaccine causes this thing or no it 1989 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,830 vaccine causes this thing or no it doesn't you know it just doesn't like it 1990 00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:09,840 doesn't you know it just doesn't like it 1991 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,070 doesn't you know it just doesn't like it looks like science to to a layperson I 1992 00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:12,080 looks like science to to a layperson I 1993 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,070 looks like science to to a layperson I can I can sympathize with those who fell 1994 00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:14,080 can I can sympathize with those who fell 1995 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,190 can I can sympathize with those who fell for this rhetoric but 1996 00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:16,200 for this rhetoric but 1997 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,790 for this rhetoric but let let me show you what the study 1998 00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:17,800 let let me show you what the study 1999 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,550 let let me show you what the study actually says or let me explain to you 2000 00:33:19,550 --> 00:33:19,560 actually says or let me explain to you 2001 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,630 actually says or let me explain to you why this is not a valid study or not 2002 00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:21,640 why this is not a valid study or not 2003 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,470 why this is not a valid study or not actually study at all it's like just a 2004 00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:23,480 actually study at all it's like just a 2005 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,630 actually study at all it's like just a you know a 2006 00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:24,640 you know a 2007 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,550 you know a preprint it's not even an actual paper 2008 00:33:27,550 --> 00:33:27,560 preprint it's not even an actual paper 2009 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,270 preprint it's not even an actual paper it becomes a 2010 00:33:29,270 --> 00:33:29,280 it becomes a 2011 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,550 it becomes a gargantuan task to expose all these 2012 00:33:32,550 --> 00:33:32,560 gargantuan task to expose all these 2013 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,990 gargantuan task to expose all these people and that's what I do literally 2014 00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:34,000 people and that's what I do literally 2015 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,150 people and that's what I do literally every day and I can't even scratch the 2016 00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:36,160 every day and I can't even scratch the 2017 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,230 every day and I can't even scratch the surface on it so 2018 00:33:37,230 --> 00:33:37,240 surface on it so 2019 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,430 surface on it so >> Yeah 100% I I'm a little embarrassed to 2020 00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:40,440 >> Yeah 100% I I'm a little embarrassed to 2021 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,070 >> Yeah 100% I I'm a little embarrassed to say this but I was an anti-vaxxer up 2022 00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:42,080 say this but I was an anti-vaxxer up 2023 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,590 say this but I was an anti-vaxxer up until a year ago and your 2024 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:45,600 until a year ago and your 2025 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,430 until a year ago and your you have you got me out of it 2026 00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:47,440 you have you got me out of it 2027 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,950 you have you got me out of it >> Exactly two for two 2028 00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:48,960 >> Exactly two for two 2029 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,910 >> Exactly two for two >> Yeah [laughter] 2030 00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:50,920 >> Yeah [laughter] 2031 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,790 >> Yeah [laughter] again you know I was already bent into 2032 00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:53,800 again you know I was already bent into 2033 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,990 again you know I was already bent into again conspiracy land as as religious 2034 00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:57,000 again conspiracy land as as religious 2035 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,150 again conspiracy land as as religious person 2036 00:33:58,150 --> 00:33:58,160 person 2037 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,110 person and 2038 00:34:00,110 --> 00:34:00,120 and 2039 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,830 and yeah I mean all the stuff that is that 2040 00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:01,840 yeah I mean all the stuff that is that 2041 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,110 yeah I mean all the stuff that is that you cover and that you know 2042 00:34:04,110 --> 00:34:04,120 you cover and that you know 2043 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,910 you cover and that you know that now I cover and talk a lot about 2044 00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:05,920 that now I cover and talk a lot about 2045 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,590 that now I cover and talk a lot about not from a science perspective but from 2046 00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:07,600 not from a science perspective but from 2047 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,950 not from a science perspective but from being in it like I was in the cult I've 2048 00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:09,960 being in it like I was in the cult I've 2049 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,310 being in it like I was in the cult I've escaped 2050 00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:11,320 escaped 2051 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,470 escaped and now I'm I look at things rationally 2052 00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:13,480 and now I'm I look at things rationally 2053 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,030 and now I'm I look at things rationally man I mean literally I've been saved by 2054 00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:17,040 man I mean literally I've been saved by 2055 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,389 man I mean literally I've been saved by just rational logical thinking and I was 2056 00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:21,399 just rational logical thinking and I was 2057 00:34:21,399 --> 00:34:22,990 just rational logical thinking and I was an anti-vaxxer 2058 00:34:22,990 --> 00:34:23,000 an anti-vaxxer 2059 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,750 an anti-vaxxer up until a year ago and so 2060 00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:25,760 up until a year ago and so 2061 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,270 up until a year ago and so then I just you know when I looked at 2062 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:27,280 then I just you know when I looked at 2063 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,430 then I just you know when I looked at the research and all the things that you 2064 00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:29,440 the research and all the things that you 2065 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,510 the research and all the things that you the debates and things I thought holy 2066 00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:31,520 the debates and things I thought holy 2067 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,230 the debates and things I thought holy [\h__\h] like 2068 00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:33,240 [\h__\h] like 2069 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:35,270 [\h__\h] like man, you know, I'm still in the process 2070 00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:35,280 man, you know, I'm still in the process 2071 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,230 man, you know, I'm still in the process of deconstructing this old narrative 2072 00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:38,240 of deconstructing this old narrative 2073 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:39,310 of deconstructing this old narrative that 2074 00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:39,320 that 2075 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,750 that I grew up 2076 00:34:40,750 --> 00:34:40,760 I grew up 2077 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,470 I grew up >> They all go together, right? Anti-vax 2078 00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:42,480 >> They all go together, right? Anti-vax 2079 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,950 >> They all go together, right? Anti-vax and creationism go together because it's 2080 00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:43,960 and creationism go together because it's 2081 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,110 and creationism go together because it's all about 2082 00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:45,120 all about 2083 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,590 all about distrust of the scientific 2084 00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:46,600 distrust of the scientific 2085 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,470 distrust of the scientific establishment, right? Which is just code 2086 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:48,480 establishment, right? Which is just code 2087 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,830 establishment, right? Which is just code for people who know what they're talking 2088 00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:49,840 for people who know what they're talking 2089 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,149 for people who know what they're talking about. Um and so it is it is important. 2090 00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:53,159 about. Um and so it is it is important. 2091 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,310 about. Um and so it is it is important. I mean, I take what I do very seriously 2092 00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:54,320 I mean, I take what I do very seriously 2093 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,590 I mean, I take what I do very seriously because the thing is that the people 2094 00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:55,600 because the thing is that the people 2095 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,630 because the thing is that the people peddling the disinformation for a few 2096 00:34:57,630 --> 00:34:57,640 peddling the disinformation for a few 2097 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,390 peddling the disinformation for a few years had complete dominance in the in 2098 00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:00,400 years had complete dominance in the in 2099 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,150 years had complete dominance in the in the social media space and 2100 00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:02,160 the social media space and 2101 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,030 the social media space and all of this stuff. And so just these 2102 00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:05,040 all of this stuff. And so just these 2103 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,950 all of this stuff. And so just these narratives got really out of control and 2104 00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:06,960 narratives got really out of control and 2105 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,430 narratives got really out of control and you have to fight them and in in the 2106 00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:09,440 you have to fight them and in in the 2107 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,350 you have to fight them and in in the milieu where they are happening. So it's 2108 00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:11,360 milieu where they are happening. So it's 2109 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,110 milieu where they are happening. So it's like I think that there's a lot of 2110 00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:13,120 like I think that there's a lot of 2111 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,630 like I think that there's a lot of people who 2112 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:14,640 people who 2113 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,110 people who certainly aren't stupid. They're they're 2114 00:35:16,110 --> 00:35:16,120 certainly aren't stupid. They're they're 2115 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,910 certainly aren't stupid. They're they're just they fall prey to these this 2116 00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:19,920 just they fall prey to these this 2117 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,910 just they fall prey to these this predatory predatory content. And if they 2118 00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:22,920 predatory predatory content. And if they 2119 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,550 predatory predatory content. And if they were if they had access to other content 2120 00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:26,560 were if they had access to other content 2121 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,110 were if they had access to other content and and they were able to go, "Okay, 2122 00:35:28,110 --> 00:35:28,120 and and they were able to go, "Okay, 2123 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,830 and and they were able to go, "Okay, this person is saying this, this person 2124 00:35:29,830 --> 00:35:29,840 this person is saying this, this person 2125 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,070 this person is saying this, this person is saying this. Let me genuinely try to 2126 00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:33,080 is saying this. Let me genuinely try to 2127 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,510 is saying this. Let me genuinely try to ascertain who is making the more 2128 00:35:34,510 --> 00:35:34,520 ascertain who is making the more 2129 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,190 ascertain who is making the more compelling case." Right? They're not 2130 00:35:36,190 --> 00:35:36,200 compelling case." Right? They're not 2131 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,790 compelling case." Right? They're not even coming at it from an ideological 2132 00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:37,800 even coming at it from an ideological 2133 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,670 even coming at it from an ideological thing. They're just like, "Okay, I don't 2134 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:39,680 thing. They're just like, "Okay, I don't 2135 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,070 thing. They're just like, "Okay, I don't know what's going on. People are saying 2136 00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:41,080 know what's going on. People are saying 2137 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,430 know what's going on. People are saying things. Let me let me hear hear them 2138 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:43,440 things. Let me let me hear hear them 2139 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,910 things. Let me let me hear hear them out, you know." And so I work my work my 2140 00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:45,920 out, you know." And so I work my work my 2141 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,110 out, you know." And so I work my work my hardest to make as compelling a case as 2142 00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:48,120 hardest to make as compelling a case as 2143 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,710 hardest to make as compelling a case as possible and uh 2144 00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:49,720 possible and uh 2145 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:50,750 possible and uh you know, 2146 00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:50,760 you know, 2147 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,110 you know, it looks like I win sometimes. 2148 00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:53,120 it looks like I win sometimes. 2149 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,070 it looks like I win sometimes. >> I mean, you have like some 2,000 videos 2150 00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:55,080 >> I mean, you have like some 2,000 videos 2151 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,590 >> I mean, you have like some 2,000 videos and yeah, they're like I told you, I 2152 00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:56,600 and yeah, they're like I told you, I 2153 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,430 and yeah, they're like I told you, I mean, they really have helped me 2154 00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:59,440 mean, they really have helped me 2155 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,670 mean, they really have helped me just because it's it's a it's a process, 2156 00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:01,680 just because it's it's a it's a process, 2157 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,510 just because it's it's a it's a process, you know, I viewed I would have I think 2158 00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:04,520 you know, I viewed I would have I think 2159 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,590 you know, I viewed I would have I think I may have seen some of your stuff even 2160 00:36:06,590 --> 00:36:06,600 I may have seen some of your stuff even 2161 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,230 I may have seen some of your stuff even when I was a Christian and and I hated 2162 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:10,240 when I was a Christian and and I hated 2163 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,950 when I was a Christian and and I hated you. I didn't like you. I I thought, you 2164 00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:11,960 you. I didn't like you. I I thought, you 2165 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,710 you. I didn't like you. I I thought, you know, I thought all the negative things. 2166 00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:13,720 know, I thought all the negative things. 2167 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,590 know, I thought all the negative things. You were a tool of Satan, you know, the 2168 00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:15,600 You were a tool of Satan, you know, the 2169 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,430 You were a tool of Satan, you know, the devil was using you to put like all the 2170 00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:17,440 devil was using you to put like all the 2171 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,910 devil was using you to put like all the things, you know? 2172 00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:18,920 things, you know? 2173 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,710 things, you know? And 2174 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:20,720 And 2175 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,790 And so I know that that cuz I still I still 2176 00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:23,800 so I know that that cuz I still I still 2177 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,950 so I know that that cuz I still I still have some Christian people in my in my 2178 00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:25,960 have some Christian people in my in my 2179 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,350 have some Christian people in my in my life, right? I lost a lot of them now 2180 00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:28,360 life, right? I lost a lot of them now 2181 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,550 life, right? I lost a lot of them now now that I'm working for the devil in 2182 00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:30,560 now that I'm working for the devil in 2183 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,470 now that I'm working for the devil in their mind. Uh but I still have some 2184 00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:33,480 their mind. Uh but I still have some 2185 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,110 their mind. Uh but I still have some that I talk to 2186 00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:35,120 that I talk to 2187 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,310 that I talk to and and they don't even want to hear 2188 00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:39,320 and and they don't even want to hear 2189 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,670 and and they don't even want to hear anything counter to what they believe. I 2190 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:41,680 anything counter to what they believe. I 2191 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,390 anything counter to what they believe. I literally had a guy that asked me, he 2192 00:36:43,390 --> 00:36:43,400 literally had a guy that asked me, he 2193 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,910 literally had a guy that asked me, he said, "Can I send you a 2194 00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:44,920 said, "Can I send you a 2195 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,750 said, "Can I send you a this really great preacher this video 2196 00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:46,760 this really great preacher this video 2197 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,950 this really great preacher this video this pastor talking about Jesus?" You 2198 00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:48,960 this pastor talking about Jesus?" You 2199 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,670 this pastor talking about Jesus?" You know, whatever. And what I'm thinking, 2200 00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:50,680 know, whatever. And what I'm thinking, 2201 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,350 know, whatever. And what I'm thinking, dude, I [\h__\h] went to Bible college 2202 00:36:52,350 --> 00:36:52,360 dude, I [\h__\h] went to Bible college 2203 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,150 dude, I [\h__\h] went to Bible college for 4 years. I was a preacher. Like like 2204 00:36:55,150 --> 00:36:55,160 for 4 years. I was a preacher. Like like 2205 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,150 for 4 years. I was a preacher. Like like >> What are you going to show me that I 2206 00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:56,160 >> What are you going to show me that I 2207 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:56,910 >> What are you going to show me that I don't know? 2208 00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:56,920 don't know? 2209 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,350 don't know? >> yeah, whatever. So I he sent it to me 2210 00:36:59,350 --> 00:36:59,360 >> yeah, whatever. So I he sent it to me 2211 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,350 >> yeah, whatever. So I he sent it to me and and out of whatever I watched it 2212 00:37:02,350 --> 00:37:02,360 and and out of whatever I watched it 2213 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,870 and and out of whatever I watched it and 2214 00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:03,880 and 2215 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,670 and um 2216 00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:04,680 um 2217 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,390 um I then said, "Hey, if I send you a 2218 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:06,400 I then said, "Hey, if I send you a 2219 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,910 I then said, "Hey, if I send you a video, will you watch it?" 2220 00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:09,920 video, will you watch it?" 2221 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,790 video, will you watch it?" No. 2222 00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:10,800 No. 2223 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,070 No. >> No. 2224 00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:11,080 >> No. 2225 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,430 >> No. >> He wouldn't watch it. 2226 00:37:12,430 --> 00:37:12,440 >> He wouldn't watch it. 2227 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,190 >> He wouldn't watch it. And I thought, wow, isn't that 2228 00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:14,200 And I thought, wow, isn't that 2229 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,270 And I thought, wow, isn't that fascinating? Like I have a video that 2230 00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:16,280 fascinating? Like I have a video that 2231 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,870 fascinating? Like I have a video that absolutely debunks what that moronic 2232 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:18,880 absolutely debunks what that moronic 2233 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,030 absolutely debunks what that moronic preacher just said. 2234 00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:20,040 preacher just said. 2235 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:20,830 preacher just said. >> Yeah. 2236 00:37:20,830 --> 00:37:20,840 >> Yeah. 2237 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,990 >> Yeah. >> And you won't watch it. You won't even 2238 00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:23,000 >> And you won't watch it. You won't even 2239 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,870 >> And you won't watch it. You won't even It's like people It's like, no, I have I 2240 00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:24,880 It's like people It's like, no, I have I 2241 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,510 It's like people It's like, no, I have I have evidence that actually, no, 2242 00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:26,520 have evidence that actually, no, 2243 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,750 have evidence that actually, no, vaccines don't cause autism. Like they 2244 00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:29,760 vaccines don't cause autism. Like they 2245 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,510 vaccines don't cause autism. Like they just don't. Like if they did, I would 2246 00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:32,520 just don't. Like if they did, I would 2247 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,990 just don't. Like if they did, I would think science would say, "Hey guys, they 2248 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:34,000 think science would say, "Hey guys, they 2249 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,990 think science would say, "Hey guys, they actually do." Like but they don't. 2250 00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:37,000 actually do." Like but they don't. 2251 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,870 actually do." Like but they don't. >> Yeah, the point the point is 2252 00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:38,880 >> Yeah, the point the point is 2253 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,510 >> Yeah, the point the point is the point is that if vaccines caused 2254 00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:40,520 the point is that if vaccines caused 2255 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,270 the point is that if vaccines caused autism, when you do gigantic cohort 2256 00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:43,280 autism, when you do gigantic cohort 2257 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,750 autism, when you do gigantic cohort studies of millions of children, you 2258 00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:45,760 studies of millions of children, you 2259 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,630 studies of millions of children, you would get some data. You would you would 2260 00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:47,640 would get some data. You would you would 2261 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,550 would get some data. You would you would see a court right that that's why the 2262 00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:49,560 see a court right that that's why the 2263 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,150 see a court right that that's why the vaccines cause autism always always boil 2264 00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:52,160 vaccines cause autism always always boil 2265 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,670 vaccines cause autism always always boil down to like these small cohort didn't 2266 00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:54,680 down to like these small cohort didn't 2267 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,390 down to like these small cohort didn't control for variables. Like it like very 2268 00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:57,400 control for variables. Like it like very 2269 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,150 control for variables. Like it like very deliberately fudging and cherry-picking 2270 00:37:59,150 --> 00:37:59,160 deliberately fudging and cherry-picking 2271 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,510 deliberately fudging and cherry-picking data. When you do the big robust studies 2272 00:38:01,510 --> 00:38:01,520 data. When you do the big robust studies 2273 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,430 data. When you do the big robust studies that are immaculately well controlled, 2274 00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:03,440 that are immaculately well controlled, 2275 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,430 that are immaculately well controlled, there's nothing there. 2276 00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:04,440 there's nothing there. 2277 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:04,910 there's nothing there. >> Yeah. 2278 00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:04,920 >> Yeah. 2279 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:05,350 >> Yeah. >> So. 2280 00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:05,360 >> So. 2281 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,310 >> So. >> Yeah. So JFK's a lying. Is he Is he a 2282 00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:09,320 >> Yeah. So JFK's a lying. Is he Is he a 2283 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,870 >> Yeah. So JFK's a lying. Is he Is he a grifter, a liar? Is he deceived? Like 2284 00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:11,880 grifter, a liar? Is he deceived? Like 2285 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,390 grifter, a liar? Is he deceived? Like it's What What is 2286 00:38:13,390 --> 00:38:13,400 it's What What is 2287 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,190 it's What What is >> RFK Jr.? Yeah, yeah. 2288 00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:15,200 >> RFK Jr.? Yeah, yeah. 2289 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,270 >> RFK Jr.? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, he's a big old grifter. Big 2290 00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:17,280 Yeah, no, he's a big old grifter. Big 2291 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,110 Yeah, no, he's a big old grifter. Big old grifter. Opportunistic, 2292 00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:19,120 old grifter. Opportunistic, 2293 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,630 old grifter. Opportunistic, money-hungry, sociopathic uh freak. 2294 00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:22,640 money-hungry, sociopathic uh freak. 2295 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,230 money-hungry, sociopathic uh freak. >> Yeah. 2296 00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:23,240 >> Yeah. 2297 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,150 >> Yeah. >> Total piece of [\h__\h] 2298 00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:24,160 >> Total piece of [\h__\h] 2299 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,950 >> Total piece of [\h__\h] >> Fascinating. So, here's that book that 2300 00:38:25,950 --> 00:38:25,960 >> Fascinating. So, here's that book that 2301 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,990 >> Fascinating. So, here's that book that that 2302 00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:27,000 that 2303 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,790 that Fauci, did he write a book called Fauci? 2304 00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:28,800 Fauci, did he write a book called Fauci? 2305 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,110 Fauci, did he write a book called Fauci? I didn't read it. Uh 2306 00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:30,120 I didn't read it. Uh 2307 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,110 I didn't read it. Uh >> Yes, he wrote a book, uh, villainizing 2308 00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:32,120 >> Yes, he wrote a book, uh, villainizing 2309 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,310 >> Yes, he wrote a book, uh, villainizing Fauci. 2310 00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:33,320 Fauci. 2311 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,230 Fauci. >> Wow. 2312 00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:34,240 >> Wow. 2313 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:34,510 >> Wow. >> Yeah. 2314 00:38:34,510 --> 00:38:34,520 >> Yeah. 2315 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,670 >> Yeah. >> Huh. Fascinating. 2316 00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:35,680 >> Huh. Fascinating. 2317 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,830 >> Huh. Fascinating. >> Yeah, I'm going to do a video, uh, 2318 00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:37,840 >> Yeah, I'm going to do a video, uh, 2319 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,430 >> Yeah, I'm going to do a video, uh, uh, pretty soon, uh, exonerating Fauci 2320 00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:40,440 uh, pretty soon, uh, exonerating Fauci 2321 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,190 uh, pretty soon, uh, exonerating Fauci because this is one of these myths that 2322 00:38:42,190 --> 00:38:42,200 because this is one of these myths that 2323 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,910 because this is one of these myths that you just cannot get it through the skull 2324 00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:44,920 you just cannot get it through the skull 2325 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,910 you just cannot get it through the skull of certain people. Like, people just 2326 00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:46,920 of certain people. Like, people just 2327 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,950 of certain people. Like, people just know that COVID leaked from a lab and 2328 00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:48,960 know that COVID leaked from a lab and 2329 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,870 know that COVID leaked from a lab and they know that Fauci is a monster and 2330 00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:50,880 they know that Fauci is a monster and 2331 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,070 they know that Fauci is a monster and all this stuff and that you're just 2332 00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:53,080 all this stuff and that you're just 2333 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,110 all this stuff and that you're just regurgitating, uh, 2334 00:38:55,110 --> 00:38:55,120 regurgitating, uh, 2335 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,350 regurgitating, uh, a propaganda narrative that was 2336 00:38:57,350 --> 00:38:57,360 a propaganda narrative that was 2337 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,350 a propaganda narrative that was relentlessly drilled into your head from 2338 00:39:00,350 --> 00:39:00,360 relentlessly drilled into your head from 2339 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,550 relentlessly drilled into your head from many angles, mostly on the podcast bro 2340 00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:02,560 many angles, mostly on the podcast bro 2341 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,390 many angles, mostly on the podcast bro space and then also from 2342 00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:04,400 space and then also from 2343 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,990 space and then also from the government at this point in this 2344 00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:06,000 the government at this point in this 2345 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:06,590 the government at this point in this administration. 2346 00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:06,600 administration. 2347 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,350 administration. >> of those people. 2348 00:39:07,350 --> 00:39:07,360 >> of those people. 2349 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:07,630 >> of those people. >> Yeah. 2350 00:39:07,630 --> 00:39:07,640 >> Yeah. 2351 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,750 >> Yeah. >> Like, I I I was one of those people 2352 00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:10,760 >> Like, I I I was one of those people 2353 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,150 >> Like, I I I was one of those people >> Mhm. 2354 00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:11,160 >> Mhm. 2355 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,510 >> Mhm. >> and and still and I think it's still 2356 00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:13,520 >> and and still and I think it's still 2357 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,870 >> and and still and I think it's still kind of in my 2358 00:39:15,870 --> 00:39:15,880 kind of in my 2359 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,550 kind of in my sphere, you know what I mean? Like, it's 2360 00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:17,560 sphere, you know what I mean? Like, it's 2361 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,350 sphere, you know what I mean? Like, it's still I know I know here that that's not 2362 00:39:21,350 --> 00:39:21,360 still I know I know here that that's not 2363 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,430 still I know I know here that that's not true 2364 00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:22,440 true 2365 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,510 true but that was so drilled into me during 2366 00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:25,520 but that was so drilled into me during 2367 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,990 but that was so drilled into me during COVID that I had bought into it. 2368 00:39:28,990 --> 00:39:29,000 COVID that I had bought into it. 2369 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,390 COVID that I had bought into it. >> Yeah. Yeah, COVID the the pandemic was 2370 00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:31,400 >> Yeah. Yeah, COVID the the pandemic was 2371 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,430 >> Yeah. Yeah, COVID the the pandemic was just it it became, 2372 00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:34,440 just it it became, 2373 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,390 just it it became, uh, a hydra a scapegoat hydra for a 2374 00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:37,400 uh, a hydra a scapegoat hydra for a 2375 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,190 uh, a hydra a scapegoat hydra for a pushing all kinds of political agendas, 2376 00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:40,200 pushing all kinds of political agendas, 2377 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,070 pushing all kinds of political agendas, um, 2378 00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:41,080 um, 2379 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,870 um, which is crazy. 2380 00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:42,880 which is crazy. 2381 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,710 which is crazy. But, we're here still deconstructing 2382 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:45,720 But, we're here still deconstructing 2383 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,950 But, we're here still deconstructing this you know, years later. 2384 00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:47,960 this you know, years later. 2385 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:48,910 this you know, years later. >> Yeah, it's crazy. 2386 00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:48,920 >> Yeah, it's crazy. 2387 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,950 >> Yeah, it's crazy. >> Mhm. 2388 00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:49,960 >> Mhm. 2389 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,030 >> Mhm. >> Okay, another comment. Is science a 2390 00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:52,040 >> Okay, another comment. Is science a 2391 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,750 >> Okay, another comment. Is science a religion? Cuz I hear I even hear that 2392 00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:53,760 religion? Cuz I hear I even hear that 2393 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,190 religion? Cuz I hear I even hear that now as an atheist. Like, you just 2394 00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:55,200 now as an atheist. Like, you just 2395 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,670 now as an atheist. Like, you just switched teams. You went from one 2396 00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:56,680 switched teams. You went from one 2397 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,150 switched teams. You went from one religion to another religion and I'm 2398 00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:58,160 religion to another religion and I'm 2399 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,470 religion to another religion and I'm like, 2400 00:39:59,470 --> 00:39:59,480 like, 2401 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,790 like, No, but okay. 2402 00:40:00,790 --> 00:40:00,800 No, but okay. 2403 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,990 No, but okay. >> Like, yeah, like I said, science is 2404 00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:03,000 >> Like, yeah, like I said, science is 2405 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,390 >> Like, yeah, like I said, science is completely antithetical to religion. It 2406 00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:05,400 completely antithetical to religion. It 2407 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,870 completely antithetical to religion. It is the polar opposite of religion in 2408 00:40:07,870 --> 00:40:07,880 is the polar opposite of religion in 2409 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,270 is the polar opposite of religion in terms of a worldview or or, you know, a 2410 00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:10,280 terms of a worldview or or, you know, a 2411 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,910 terms of a worldview or or, you know, a structure for, 2412 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:11,920 structure for, 2413 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,470 structure for, uh, for ascertaining knowledge and and 2414 00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:13,480 uh, for ascertaining knowledge and and 2415 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,830 uh, for ascertaining knowledge and and and, uh, 2416 00:40:14,830 --> 00:40:14,840 and, uh, 2417 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,190 and, uh, it's just there's there's nothing 2418 00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:17,200 it's just there's there's nothing 2419 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,230 it's just there's there's nothing religious like about it, right? When you 2420 00:40:19,230 --> 00:40:19,240 religious like about it, right? When you 2421 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,030 religious like about it, right? When you have a religion, you have you have 2422 00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:21,040 have a religion, you have you have 2423 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,390 have a religion, you have you have prophets, you have scripture, and so 2424 00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:23,400 prophets, you have scripture, and so 2425 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,670 prophets, you have scripture, and so they'll this is why they try to paint 2426 00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:26,680 they'll this is why they try to paint 2427 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,350 they'll this is why they try to paint scientists as prophets and scientific 2428 00:40:29,350 --> 00:40:29,360 scientists as prophets and scientific 2429 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,510 scientists as prophets and scientific information as scripture, but it's not, 2430 00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:31,520 information as scripture, but it's not, 2431 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,270 information as scripture, but it's not, right? The the body of scientific 2432 00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:33,280 right? The the body of scientific 2433 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,710 right? The the body of scientific knowledge is constantly changing. 2434 00:40:35,710 --> 00:40:35,720 knowledge is constantly changing. 2435 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:37,430 knowledge is constantly changing. When you disprove something in science, 2436 00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:37,440 When you disprove something in science, 2437 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,350 When you disprove something in science, you get awards. You don't get chastised, 2438 00:40:39,350 --> 00:40:39,360 you get awards. You don't get chastised, 2439 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,670 you get awards. You don't get chastised, you know? 2440 00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:40,680 you know? 2441 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,910 you know? And scientists are are not prophets or 2442 00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:42,920 And scientists are are not prophets or 2443 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,190 And scientists are are not prophets or we don't you know, if a scientist can do 2444 00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:46,200 we don't you know, if a scientist can do 2445 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,750 we don't you know, if a scientist can do a brilliant thing and then they can do a 2446 00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:47,760 a brilliant thing and then they can do a 2447 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,710 a brilliant thing and then they can do a stupid thing after that and everyone 2448 00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:49,720 stupid thing after that and everyone 2449 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,270 stupid thing after that and everyone will go, "Wow, they really messed up. 2450 00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:51,280 will go, "Wow, they really messed up. 2451 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,710 will go, "Wow, they really messed up. They nailed it on the first one, but 2452 00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:52,720 They nailed it on the first one, but 2453 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,670 They nailed it on the first one, but man, that other idea, let's all debunk 2454 00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:54,680 man, that other idea, let's all debunk 2455 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,910 man, that other idea, let's all debunk it cuz we're all scientists, too." And 2456 00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:56,920 it cuz we're all scientists, too." And 2457 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,390 it cuz we're all scientists, too." And it's just an ever-changing body of 2458 00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:58,400 it's just an ever-changing body of 2459 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,470 it's just an ever-changing body of knowledge and it is the way that we 2460 00:41:01,470 --> 00:41:01,480 knowledge and it is the way that we 2461 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,590 knowledge and it is the way that we ascertain things about the physical 2462 00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:03,600 ascertain things about the physical 2463 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,070 ascertain things about the physical world. 2464 00:41:05,070 --> 00:41:05,080 world. 2465 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,270 world. Science doesn't tell you how how to be 2466 00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:07,280 Science doesn't tell you how how to be 2467 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,910 Science doesn't tell you how how to be happy or how to find purpose in your 2468 00:41:08,910 --> 00:41:08,920 happy or how to find purpose in your 2469 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,390 happy or how to find purpose in your life. So, I mean, I'm not going to 2470 00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:11,400 life. So, I mean, I'm not going to 2471 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,030 life. So, I mean, I'm not going to there are there are people who are 2472 00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:13,040 there are there are people who are 2473 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,390 there are there are people who are religious in a way that is not 2474 00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:14,400 religious in a way that is not 2475 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,470 religious in a way that is not problematic. They do not deny science. 2476 00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:16,480 problematic. They do not deny science. 2477 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,110 problematic. They do not deny science. They do not proselytize and they simply 2478 00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:19,120 They do not proselytize and they simply 2479 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,590 They do not proselytize and they simply have a have a cultural framework with 2480 00:41:21,590 --> 00:41:21,600 have a have a cultural framework with 2481 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,030 have a have a cultural framework with which they gain purpose and and and 2482 00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:24,040 which they gain purpose and and and 2483 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,590 which they gain purpose and and and community and things like that and I 2484 00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:25,600 community and things like that and I 2485 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,350 community and things like that and I don't that doesn't bother me at all and 2486 00:41:27,350 --> 00:41:27,360 don't that doesn't bother me at all and 2487 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,270 don't that doesn't bother me at all and I would never try to 2488 00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:29,280 I would never try to 2489 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,270 I would never try to change someone for for being that way, 2490 00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:31,280 change someone for for being that way, 2491 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,630 change someone for for being that way, but um 2492 00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:32,640 but um 2493 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,870 but um um 2494 00:41:33,870 --> 00:41:33,880 um 2495 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,550 um but yeah, in terms of like what is the 2496 00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:35,560 but yeah, in terms of like what is the 2497 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,270 but yeah, in terms of like what is the thing made of and where did it come from 2498 00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:37,280 thing made of and where did it come from 2499 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,790 thing made of and where did it come from and how does this work and those kinds 2500 00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:38,800 and how does this work and those kinds 2501 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,430 and how does this work and those kinds of questions, science is the only game 2502 00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:40,440 of questions, science is the only game 2503 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,790 of questions, science is the only game in town. Religion has absolutely dick on 2504 00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:42,800 in town. Religion has absolutely dick on 2505 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,990 in town. Religion has absolutely dick on science in that regards. So, that's all 2506 00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:46,000 science in that regards. So, that's all 2507 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,270 science in that regards. So, that's all there is to it. 2508 00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:47,280 there is to it. 2509 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,950 there is to it. >> Yeah, I I think it was I forget who said 2510 00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:48,960 >> Yeah, I I think it was I forget who said 2511 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,030 >> Yeah, I I think it was I forget who said it, but I heard someone say you can't 2512 00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:50,040 it, but I heard someone say you can't 2513 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,470 it, but I heard someone say you can't you know, you can't have your own set of 2514 00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:51,480 you know, you can't have your own set of 2515 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,270 you know, you can't have your own set of facts. 2516 00:41:52,270 --> 00:41:52,280 facts. 2517 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:52,550 facts. >> No. 2518 00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:52,560 >> No. 2519 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,190 >> No. >> You know, it's like there isn't like 2520 00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:54,200 >> You know, it's like there isn't like 2521 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,310 >> You know, it's like there isn't like Hindu math, Christian math. 2522 00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:56,320 Hindu math, Christian math. 2523 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,110 Hindu math, Christian math. >> Right. 2524 00:41:57,110 --> 00:41:57,120 >> Right. 2525 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,590 >> Right. >> Buddhism math, you know? And when I 2526 00:41:58,590 --> 00:41:58,600 >> Buddhism math, you know? And when I 2527 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,750 >> Buddhism math, you know? And when I heard that, it it I was like, "Oh, wow, 2528 00:42:00,750 --> 00:42:00,760 heard that, it it I was like, "Oh, wow, 2529 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,710 heard that, it it I was like, "Oh, wow, yeah, I didn't think of there's like 2530 00:42:01,710 --> 00:42:01,720 yeah, I didn't think of there's like 2531 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:02,590 yeah, I didn't think of there's like just math." 2532 00:42:02,590 --> 00:42:02,600 just math." 2533 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,750 just math." >> Yeah, there's teriology math. If you're 2534 00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:04,760 >> Yeah, there's teriology math. If you're 2535 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,590 >> Yeah, there's teriology math. If you're Terrence Howard, you invent your own 2536 00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:06,600 Terrence Howard, you invent your own 2537 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,070 Terrence Howard, you invent your own math. 2538 00:42:07,070 --> 00:42:07,080 math. 2539 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,110 math. >> Dude, Terrence Howard's here in Kansas 2540 00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:09,120 >> Dude, Terrence Howard's here in Kansas 2541 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:09,950 >> Dude, Terrence Howard's here in Kansas City. 2542 00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:09,960 City. 2543 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,310 City. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, he's filming a movie, 2544 00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:11,320 >> Oh, yeah. Oh, he's filming a movie, 2545 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:11,590 >> Oh, yeah. Oh, he's filming a movie, right? 2546 00:42:11,590 --> 00:42:11,600 right? 2547 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:11,950 right? >> He's only 2548 00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:11,960 >> He's only 2549 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,390 >> He's only >> like not even a mile from me right now. 2550 00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:14,400 >> like not even a mile from me right now. 2551 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:14,869 >> like not even a mile from me right now. >> Mhm. 2552 00:42:14,869 --> 00:42:14,879 >> Mhm. 2553 00:42:14,879 --> 00:42:15,630 >> Mhm. >> [laughter] 2554 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:15,640 >> [laughter] 2555 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,390 >> [laughter] >> That's bananas. 2556 00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:16,400 >> That's bananas. 2557 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,470 >> That's bananas. >> I I literally wanted to uh so I used to 2558 00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:19,480 >> I I literally wanted to uh so I used to 2559 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,310 >> I I literally wanted to uh so I used to I live just off the plaza. My wife and I 2560 00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:21,320 I live just off the plaza. My wife and I 2561 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,750 I live just off the plaza. My wife and I recently bought a house, but literally 2562 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:23,760 recently bought a house, but literally 2563 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,350 recently bought a house, but literally just a mile from us is uh the plaza 2564 00:42:27,350 --> 00:42:27,360 just a mile from us is uh the plaza 2565 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,150 just a mile from us is uh the plaza where he's filming I don't know whatever 2566 00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:29,160 where he's filming I don't know whatever 2567 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,510 where he's filming I don't know whatever he's doing over there. And but I lived 2568 00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:31,520 he's doing over there. And but I lived 2569 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,590 he's doing over there. And but I lived on the plaza for about 7 years. So I 2570 00:42:33,590 --> 00:42:33,600 on the plaza for about 7 years. So I 2571 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,950 on the plaza for about 7 years. So I lived in an apartment complex that 2572 00:42:35,950 --> 00:42:35,960 lived in an apartment complex that 2573 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,990 lived in an apartment complex that overlooked the building where he is 2574 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:38,000 overlooked the building where he is 2575 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,070 overlooked the building where he is actually. 2576 00:42:39,070 --> 00:42:39,080 actually. 2577 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,510 actually. >> So anyway, that 2578 00:42:40,510 --> 00:42:40,520 >> So anyway, that 2579 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,390 >> So anyway, that >> Uh yeah, I was laughing cuz yeah, his 2580 00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:43,400 >> Uh yeah, I was laughing cuz yeah, his 2581 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,430 >> Uh yeah, I was laughing cuz yeah, his his stuff is is insane. 2582 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:45,440 his stuff is is insane. 2583 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,274 his stuff is is insane. >> His show. What does 1 + 1 idiot? 2584 00:42:48,274 --> 00:42:48,284 >> His show. What does 1 + 1 idiot? 2585 00:42:48,284 --> 00:42:48,910 >> His show. What does 1 + 1 idiot? >> [laughter] 2586 00:42:48,910 --> 00:42:48,920 >> [laughter] 2587 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,390 >> [laughter] >> Or Professor Dave says hi. 2588 00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:50,400 >> Or Professor Dave says hi. 2589 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,310 >> Or Professor Dave says hi. >> That's what I was going to say. 2590 00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:51,320 >> That's what I was going to say. 2591 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,590 >> That's what I was going to say. Literally I was going to say, "Professor 2592 00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:52,600 Literally I was going to say, "Professor 2593 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,790 Literally I was going to say, "Professor Dave says hi." 2594 00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:53,800 Dave says hi." 2595 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,670 Dave says hi." >> He hates me. He hates me. 2596 00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:56,680 >> He hates me. He hates me. 2597 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,310 >> He hates me. He hates me. >> I bet. 2598 00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:57,320 >> I bet. 2599 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,950 >> I bet. >> So funny. Funniest thing [laughter] in 2600 00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:58,960 >> So funny. Funniest thing [laughter] in 2601 00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,710 >> So funny. Funniest thing [laughter] in the 2602 00:42:59,710 --> 00:42:59,720 the 2603 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,870 the >> You know what's interesting? I I think 2604 00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:01,880 >> You know what's interesting? I I think 2605 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,670 >> You know what's interesting? I I think you know, your delivery style, you know, 2606 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:03,680 you know, your delivery style, you know, 2607 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,190 you know, your delivery style, you know, I love it. You know, you're you're 2608 00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:05,200 I love it. You know, you're you're 2609 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,190 I love it. You know, you're you're extremely sarcastic and and but but the 2610 00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:08,200 extremely sarcastic and and but but the 2611 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,070 extremely sarcastic and and but but the thing about it is 2612 00:43:10,070 --> 00:43:10,080 thing about it is 2613 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,070 thing about it is I get it. It's when I was a Christian, 2614 00:43:13,070 --> 00:43:13,080 I get it. It's when I was a Christian, 2615 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,150 I get it. It's when I was a Christian, you know, obviously you were coming out 2616 00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:14,160 you know, obviously you were coming out 2617 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,470 you know, obviously you were coming out against the things that I believed and 2618 00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:15,480 against the things that I believed and 2619 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,030 against the things that I believed and so I took it very personal. I was I took 2620 00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:18,040 so I took it very personal. I was I took 2621 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,110 so I took it very personal. I was I took offense to it, right? And now it's like, 2622 00:43:20,110 --> 00:43:20,120 offense to it, right? And now it's like, 2623 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,230 offense to it, right? And now it's like, "Oh, well, it's because there are things 2624 00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:22,240 "Oh, well, it's because there are things 2625 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,910 "Oh, well, it's because there are things that we know. And so if someone's saying 2626 00:43:24,910 --> 00:43:24,920 that we know. And so if someone's saying 2627 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,710 that we know. And so if someone's saying something that is absolutely 100% 2628 00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:27,720 something that is absolutely 100% 2629 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,230 something that is absolutely 100% empirically false." 2630 00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:30,240 empirically false." 2631 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,070 empirically false." >> Yeah. 2632 00:43:31,070 --> 00:43:31,080 >> Yeah. 2633 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,510 >> Yeah. >> And like what you supposed You can't 2634 00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:32,520 >> And like what you supposed You can't 2635 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,030 >> And like what you supposed You can't powder coat this. 2636 00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:34,040 powder coat this. 2637 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,030 powder coat this. >> And it's not just that it's not just 2638 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:36,040 >> And it's not just that it's not just 2639 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,830 >> And it's not just that it's not just that they're wrong. It's that they're 2640 00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:37,840 that they're wrong. It's that they're 2641 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,470 that they're wrong. It's that they're corrosive and they're insulting to to 2642 00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:40,480 corrosive and they're insulting to to 2643 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,230 corrosive and they're insulting to to humanity and they are used to push 2644 00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:43,240 humanity and they are used to push 2645 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,870 humanity and they are used to push immoralities. Um they're These are very 2646 00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:45,880 immoralities. Um they're These are very 2647 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,670 immoralities. Um they're These are very destructive bad uh threads of 2648 00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:48,680 destructive bad uh threads of 2649 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,190 destructive bad uh threads of propaganda. It's whether it's 2650 00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:50,200 propaganda. It's whether it's 2651 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,510 propaganda. It's whether it's creationism or or anti-vax, right? 2652 00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:52,520 creationism or or anti-vax, right? 2653 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,070 creationism or or anti-vax, right? People die. They're used to seize 2654 00:43:55,070 --> 00:43:55,080 People die. They're used to seize 2655 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,150 People die. They're used to seize political power, right? Bad stuff 2656 00:43:57,150 --> 00:43:57,160 political power, right? Bad stuff 2657 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,190 political power, right? Bad stuff happens. So I'm sorry if my facts hurt 2658 00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:59,200 happens. So I'm sorry if my facts hurt 2659 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,790 happens. So I'm sorry if my facts hurt your feelings. Don't 2660 00:44:00,790 --> 00:44:00,800 your feelings. Don't 2661 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,990 your feelings. Don't or sorry not sorry, right? I don't care. 2662 00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:03,000 or sorry not sorry, right? I don't care. 2663 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,830 or sorry not sorry, right? I don't care. I don't care. People are doing damage. 2664 00:44:04,830 --> 00:44:04,840 I don't care. People are doing damage. 2665 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,110 I don't care. People are doing damage. People are ruining human civilization. 2666 00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:07,120 People are ruining human civilization. 2667 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,550 People are ruining human civilization. and if if I 2668 00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:09,560 and if if I 2669 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,270 and if if I make people angry with my my names my 2670 00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:12,280 make people angry with my my names my 2671 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,670 make people angry with my my names my name calling while there's genocide 2672 00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:14,680 name calling while there's genocide 2673 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,590 name calling while there's genocide happening and [\h__\h] like 2674 00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:16,600 happening and [\h__\h] like 2675 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,910 happening and [\h__\h] like I don't care. I just don't care. This is 2676 00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:18,920 I don't care. I just don't care. This is 2677 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,150 I don't care. I just don't care. This is where we're at, okay? 2678 00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:20,160 where we're at, okay? 2679 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:20,510 where we're at, okay? >> Yeah. 2680 00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:20,520 >> Yeah. 2681 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:21,285 >> Yeah. >> Deal with it. 2682 00:44:21,285 --> 00:44:21,295 >> Deal with it. 2683 00:44:21,295 --> 00:44:21,510 >> Deal with it. >> [laughter] 2684 00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:21,520 >> [laughter] 2685 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,710 >> [laughter] >> Well, no. I I I absolutely respect it. I 2686 00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:23,720 >> Well, no. I I I absolutely respect it. I 2687 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,670 >> Well, no. I I I absolutely respect it. I think it's great. I I did a I just 2688 00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:25,680 think it's great. I I did a I just 2689 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,150 think it's great. I I did a I just finished uh Christopher Hitchens book um 2690 00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:29,160 finished uh Christopher Hitchens book um 2691 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,310 finished uh Christopher Hitchens book um God is not great. 2692 00:44:30,310 --> 00:44:30,320 God is not great. 2693 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:30,750 God is not great. >> Yeah. 2694 00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:30,760 >> Yeah. 2695 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,190 >> Yeah. >> And how religion poisons everything. And 2696 00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:33,200 >> And how religion poisons everything. And 2697 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,590 >> And how religion poisons everything. And I And I asked this question to my 2698 00:44:34,590 --> 00:44:34,600 I And I asked this question to my 2699 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,670 I And I asked this question to my audience. I said, you know, if 2700 00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:36,680 audience. I said, you know, if 2701 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,670 audience. I said, you know, if if 2702 00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:37,680 if 2703 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,630 if you are teaching something to be true 2704 00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:40,640 you are teaching something to be true 2705 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,830 you are teaching something to be true that you should have live your life by 2706 00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:42,840 that you should have live your life by 2707 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,110 that you should have live your life by when it is absolutely 2708 00:44:45,110 --> 00:44:45,120 when it is absolutely 2709 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,270 when it is absolutely not true how can that be good? 2710 00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:48,280 not true how can that be good? 2711 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,750 not true how can that be good? You know, how can that be good to 2712 00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:49,760 You know, how can that be good to 2713 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,830 You know, how can that be good to organize your life around a lie? Like 2714 00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:52,840 organize your life around a lie? Like 2715 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,790 organize your life around a lie? Like so, yeah. I I'm like you. I don't care 2716 00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:55,800 so, yeah. I I'm like you. I don't care 2717 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,230 so, yeah. I I'm like you. I don't care if as long as you believe in the facts, 2718 00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:57,240 if as long as you believe in the facts, 2719 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:58,670 if as long as you believe in the facts, the things that we know, you know? 2720 00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:58,680 the things that we know, you know? 2721 00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,190 the things that we know, you know? >> Yeah. 2722 00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:59,200 >> Yeah. 2723 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,950 >> Yeah. >> Uh I I don't care if you believe in some 2724 00:45:00,950 --> 00:45:00,960 >> Uh I I don't care if you believe in some 2725 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,710 >> Uh I I don't care if you believe in some kind of a divine being out there, 2726 00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:02,720 kind of a divine being out there, 2727 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:03,310 kind of a divine being out there, whatever. That's 2728 00:45:03,310 --> 00:45:03,320 whatever. That's 2729 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,430 whatever. That's >> And And if you if you if you rely on 2730 00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:06,440 >> And And if you if you if you rely on 2731 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,510 >> And And if you if you if you rely on your faith in a higher power to get 2732 00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:08,520 your faith in a higher power to get 2733 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,190 your faith in a higher power to get through trauma and horrible Like I would 2734 00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:12,200 through trauma and horrible Like I would 2735 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,510 through trauma and horrible Like I would never go into Gaza and be like, "Hey, 2736 00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:14,520 never go into Gaza and be like, "Hey, 2737 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,750 never go into Gaza and be like, "Hey, you guys, God's not real. Like all of 2738 00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:16,760 you guys, God's not real. Like all of 2739 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,670 you guys, God's not real. Like all of this is happening for no reason and you 2740 00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:18,680 this is happening for no reason and you 2741 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,430 this is happening for no reason and you have no afterlife after this. You're not 2742 00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:20,440 have no afterlife after this. You're not 2743 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,070 have no afterlife after this. You're not going to see your kids later that were 2744 00:45:22,070 --> 00:45:22,080 going to see your kids later that were 2745 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,630 going to see your kids later that were murdered right in front of your face." I 2746 00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:23,640 murdered right in front of your face." I 2747 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:24,821 murdered right in front of your face." I would never do that. 2748 00:45:24,821 --> 00:45:24,831 would never do that. 2749 00:45:24,831 --> 00:45:25,150 would never do that. >> [laughter] 2750 00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:25,160 >> [laughter] 2751 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:25,910 >> [laughter] >> Like 2752 00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:25,920 >> Like 2753 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,830 >> Like if all you have, please believe in God 2754 00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:27,840 if all you have, please believe in God 2755 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,350 if all you have, please believe in God and please believe all of these things 2756 00:45:29,350 --> 00:45:29,360 and please believe all of these things 2757 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,790 and please believe all of these things and stay and 2758 00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:30,800 and stay and 2759 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,710 and stay and like try to get through this, you know? 2760 00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:33,720 like try to get through this, you know? 2761 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,190 like try to get through this, you know? Um but that's a categorically different. 2762 00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:36,200 Um but that's a categorically different. 2763 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,270 Um but that's a categorically different. These are not people that are that are 2764 00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:38,280 These are not people that are that are 2765 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,870 These are not people that are that are that are poisoning society and uh trying 2766 00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:40,880 that are poisoning society and uh trying 2767 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,590 that are poisoning society and uh trying to take over the government and trying 2768 00:45:42,590 --> 00:45:42,600 to take over the government and trying 2769 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,990 to take over the government and trying to use falsehoods to justify or or 2770 00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:45,000 to use falsehoods to justify or or 2771 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,590 to use falsehoods to justify or or profit off of lies that kill people and 2772 00:45:46,590 --> 00:45:46,600 profit off of lies that kill people and 2773 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,350 profit off of lies that kill people and then, you know, that's a totally 2774 00:45:48,350 --> 00:45:48,360 then, you know, that's a totally 2775 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,990 then, you know, that's a totally different thing. So, yeah. 2776 00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:50,000 different thing. So, yeah. 2777 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,790 different thing. So, yeah. >> Yeah, you know, it's fascinating um 2778 00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:51,800 >> Yeah, you know, it's fascinating um 2779 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,190 >> Yeah, you know, it's fascinating um Professor Dave, for me, you know, I I 2780 00:45:54,190 --> 00:45:54,200 Professor Dave, for me, you know, I I 2781 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,510 Professor Dave, for me, you know, I I one of the questions I get often is, you 2782 00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:55,520 one of the questions I get often is, you 2783 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,790 one of the questions I get often is, you know, where where do you get a sense of 2784 00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:56,800 know, where where do you get a sense of 2785 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,350 know, where where do you get a sense of purpose and meaning? 2786 00:45:58,350 --> 00:45:58,360 purpose and meaning? 2787 00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:58,990 purpose and meaning? >> Mhm. 2788 00:45:58,990 --> 00:45:59,000 >> Mhm. 2789 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,310 >> Mhm. >> And you know, I it's well, frankly, I I 2790 00:46:01,310 --> 00:46:01,320 >> And you know, I it's well, frankly, I I 2791 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,030 >> And you know, I it's well, frankly, I I thought I was getting it from God, but 2792 00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:03,040 thought I was getting it from God, but 2793 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,150 thought I was getting it from God, but you know, 2794 00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:04,160 you know, 2795 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,910 you know, in my opinion, right, there is no God. 2796 00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:05,920 in my opinion, right, there is no God. 2797 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,950 in my opinion, right, there is no God. So, it was clearly I actually wasn't 2798 00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:07,960 So, it was clearly I actually wasn't 2799 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,390 So, it was clearly I actually wasn't even originally. So, 2800 00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:10,400 even originally. So, 2801 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,110 even originally. So, now I just get it from my life, my my 2802 00:46:13,110 --> 00:46:13,120 now I just get it from my life, my my 2803 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,430 now I just get it from my life, my my wife, my kids, my you know, just my job, 2804 00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:15,440 wife, my kids, my you know, just my job, 2805 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,710 wife, my kids, my you know, just my job, like everything about my life I just get 2806 00:46:17,710 --> 00:46:17,720 like everything about my life I just get 2807 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,110 like everything about my life I just get meaning from it in in general. And it's 2808 00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:20,120 meaning from it in in general. And it's 2809 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,190 meaning from it in in general. And it's I don't know why, but that's just a 2810 00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:21,200 I don't know why, but that's just a 2811 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,630 I don't know why, but that's just a weird question to me cuz I'm like, 2812 00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:23,640 weird question to me cuz I'm like, 2813 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,670 weird question to me cuz I'm like, "Well, if you believed in Santa and that 2814 00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:26,680 "Well, if you believed in Santa and that 2815 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,990 "Well, if you believed in Santa and that gave you a sense of whatever about 2816 00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:29,000 gave you a sense of whatever about 2817 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,790 gave you a sense of whatever about Christmas, and then you found out Santa 2818 00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:30,800 Christmas, and then you found out Santa 2819 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,870 Christmas, and then you found out Santa wasn't real, you still like I still like 2820 00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:32,880 wasn't real, you still like I still like 2821 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,790 wasn't real, you still like I still like Christmas even though I know Santa's not 2822 00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:34,800 Christmas even though I know Santa's not 2823 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,910 Christmas even though I know Santa's not real." 2824 00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:35,920 real." 2825 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,190 real." I don't know. I did I don't understand 2826 00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:38,200 I don't know. I did I don't understand 2827 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,870 I don't know. I did I don't understand where that that that some of the people 2828 00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:40,880 where that that that some of the people 2829 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,470 where that that that some of the people that I deal with in the deconstruction 2830 00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:42,480 that I deal with in the deconstruction 2831 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,590 that I deal with in the deconstruction space is they sometimes like, "Do you 2832 00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:44,600 space is they sometimes like, "Do you 2833 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,030 space is they sometimes like, "Do you ever really worry about hell?" You know, 2834 00:46:46,030 --> 00:46:46,040 ever really worry about hell?" You know, 2835 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,710 ever really worry about hell?" You know, sometimes I still worry about hell. I'm 2836 00:46:47,710 --> 00:46:47,720 sometimes I still worry about hell. I'm 2837 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:50,150 sometimes I still worry about hell. I'm like, "But it's not real though. Like 2838 00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:50,160 like, "But it's not real though. Like 2839 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,870 like, "But it's not real though. Like it's not [laughter] real." So, 2840 00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:52,880 it's not [laughter] real." So, 2841 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,550 it's not [laughter] real." So, right, that's like absolutely it's not 2842 00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:55,560 right, that's like absolutely it's not 2843 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:56,470 right, that's like absolutely it's not real. So, 2844 00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:56,480 real. So, 2845 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,550 real. So, >> Yeah. Like 2846 00:46:57,550 --> 00:46:57,560 >> Yeah. Like 2847 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,350 >> Yeah. Like the idea like the trivialities that 2848 00:47:00,350 --> 00:47:00,360 the idea like the trivialities that 2849 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,950 the idea like the trivialities that religious people think a God would 2850 00:47:01,950 --> 00:47:01,960 religious people think a God would 2851 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,590 religious people think a God would punish someone eternally for 2852 00:47:04,590 --> 00:47:04,600 punish someone eternally for 2853 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,550 punish someone eternally for is just insane to me. Like the math 2854 00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:06,560 is just insane to me. Like the math 2855 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,230 is just insane to me. Like the math doesn't work. It doesn't make sense that 2856 00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:09,240 doesn't work. It doesn't make sense that 2857 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,150 doesn't work. It doesn't make sense that I would say, "Fuck you, God." And like, 2858 00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:11,160 I would say, "Fuck you, God." And like, 2859 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,590 I would say, "Fuck you, God." And like, "Okay, [laughter] 2860 00:47:12,590 --> 00:47:12,600 "Okay, [laughter] 2861 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,310 "Okay, [laughter] hellfire for eternity." Doesn't make any 2862 00:47:15,310 --> 00:47:15,320 hellfire for eternity." Doesn't make any 2863 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,430 hellfire for eternity." Doesn't make any sense. What a vindictive, petty, 2864 00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:17,440 sense. What a vindictive, petty, 2865 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,190 sense. What a vindictive, petty, genocidal 2866 00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:19,200 genocidal 2867 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,790 genocidal uh sociopathic uh God, you know, who And 2868 00:47:21,790 --> 00:47:21,800 uh sociopathic uh God, you know, who And 2869 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,310 uh sociopathic uh God, you know, who And that's And that's an all-loving God. 2870 00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:23,320 that's And that's an all-loving God. 2871 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,750 that's And that's an all-loving God. That doesn't make any sense. 2872 00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:24,760 That doesn't make any sense. 2873 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,910 That doesn't make any sense. Um that's how we know the Abrahamic God 2874 00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:26,920 Um that's how we know the Abrahamic God 2875 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,110 Um that's how we know the Abrahamic God uh isn't real. But um yeah, I mean, to 2876 00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:29,120 uh isn't real. But um yeah, I mean, to 2877 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,750 uh isn't real. But um yeah, I mean, to to to require God to be happy is 2878 00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:31,760 to to require God to be happy is 2879 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,110 to to require God to be happy is obviously ridiculously false. Um to 2880 00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:34,120 obviously ridiculously false. Um to 2881 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,030 obviously ridiculously false. Um to require God to find purpose uh obviously 2882 00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:37,040 require God to find purpose uh obviously 2883 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,390 require God to find purpose uh obviously is also false. I mean, it's a more 2884 00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:38,400 is also false. I mean, it's a more 2885 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,950 is also false. I mean, it's a more delicate thing because 2886 00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:39,960 delicate thing because 2887 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,150 delicate thing because not everybody has access to something 2888 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:42,160 not everybody has access to something 2889 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,190 not everybody has access to something that I I have a tremendous sense of 2890 00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:44,200 that I I have a tremendous sense of 2891 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,270 that I I have a tremendous sense of purpose in what I do because there are 2892 00:47:46,270 --> 00:47:46,280 purpose in what I do because there are 2893 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,070 purpose in what I do because there are evil forces that are trying to ruin the 2894 00:47:48,070 --> 00:47:48,080 evil forces that are trying to ruin the 2895 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,550 evil forces that are trying to ruin the world for everybody, and I'm fighting 2896 00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:49,560 world for everybody, and I'm fighting 2897 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,190 world for everybody, and I'm fighting against that. So, it's like that's very 2898 00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:51,200 against that. So, it's like that's very 2899 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,750 against that. So, it's like that's very easy to derive purpose from that. Not 2900 00:47:52,750 --> 00:47:52,760 easy to derive purpose from that. Not 2901 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,670 easy to derive purpose from that. Not everybody like if you just kind of have 2902 00:47:54,670 --> 00:47:54,680 everybody like if you just kind of have 2903 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,670 everybody like if you just kind of have sort of a you know, a regular job, it's 2904 00:47:56,670 --> 00:47:56,680 sort of a you know, a regular job, it's 2905 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,270 sort of a you know, a regular job, it's totally fine. Most people just kind of 2906 00:47:58,270 --> 00:47:58,280 totally fine. Most people just kind of 2907 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,710 totally fine. Most people just kind of have regular jobs and you can, you know, 2908 00:48:00,710 --> 00:48:00,720 have regular jobs and you can, you know, 2909 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,790 have regular jobs and you can, you know, I I'm the person that brings the mail to 2910 00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:02,800 I I'm the person that brings the mail to 2911 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,310 I I'm the person that brings the mail to you or I I'm the person that brings you 2912 00:48:04,310 --> 00:48:04,320 you or I I'm the person that brings you 2913 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,430 you or I I'm the person that brings you the food or do whatever and that's a you 2914 00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:06,440 the food or do whatever and that's a you 2915 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,430 the food or do whatever and that's a you can derive purpose from that. It's not 2916 00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:08,440 can derive purpose from that. It's not 2917 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,790 can derive purpose from that. It's not as It's not as transcendent. I think 2918 00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:10,800 as It's not as transcendent. I think 2919 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,510 as It's not as transcendent. I think it's a little more work to derive a real 2920 00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:13,520 it's a little more work to derive a real 2921 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,670 it's a little more work to derive a real sense of purpose from that but but you 2922 00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:15,680 sense of purpose from that but but you 2923 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,670 sense of purpose from that but but you can. Um so, I think traditionally people 2924 00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:18,680 can. Um so, I think traditionally people 2925 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,510 can. Um so, I think traditionally people in those in those positions have a god 2926 00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:21,520 in those in those positions have a god 2927 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,710 in those in those positions have a god or, you know, have a deity that like, 2928 00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:22,720 or, you know, have a deity that like, 2929 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,110 or, you know, have a deity that like, "Okay, that's how I'm going to 2930 00:48:24,110 --> 00:48:24,120 "Okay, that's how I'm going to 2931 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,590 "Okay, that's how I'm going to get that purpose." But 2932 00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:25,600 get that purpose." But 2933 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,350 get that purpose." But I don't know, you know, you be be a 2934 00:48:27,350 --> 00:48:27,360 I don't know, you know, you be be a 2935 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,270 I don't know, you know, you be be a figure in your community or, you know, 2936 00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:29,280 figure in your community or, you know, 2937 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,950 figure in your community or, you know, just be kind to people. I I don't know. 2938 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:30,960 just be kind to people. I I don't know. 2939 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,230 just be kind to people. I I don't know. Th- This is the part where it's like I 2940 00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:32,240 Th- This is the part where it's like I 2941 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,030 Th- This is the part where it's like I don't have the answers and if you if you 2942 00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:34,040 don't have the answers and if you if you 2943 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,110 don't have the answers and if you if you get these kinds of answers from religion 2944 00:48:36,110 --> 00:48:36,120 get these kinds of answers from religion 2945 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,590 get these kinds of answers from religion without being a toxic person, that's 2946 00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:37,600 without being a toxic person, that's 2947 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,790 without being a toxic person, that's fine. I don't care. 2948 00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:38,800 fine. I don't care. 2949 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,750 fine. I don't care. >> Sure. 2950 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:39,760 >> Sure. 2951 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,630 >> Sure. >> But you don't need, you know, I found I 2952 00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:41,640 >> But you don't need, you know, I found I 2953 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,230 >> But you don't need, you know, I found I found a It's very, very firm sense of 2954 00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:44,240 found a It's very, very firm sense of 2955 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,190 found a It's very, very firm sense of purpose. 2956 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:45,200 purpose. 2957 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:45,950 purpose. >> Yeah. 2958 00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:45,960 >> Yeah. 2959 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,350 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. 2960 00:48:46,350 --> 00:48:46,360 >> Yeah. 2961 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,070 >> Yeah. >> Yeah, no, and I can I can you can tell 2962 00:48:48,070 --> 00:48:48,080 >> Yeah, no, and I can I can you can tell 2963 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,070 >> Yeah, no, and I can I can you can tell and and I'm the same, you know, I I tell 2964 00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:50,080 and and I'm the same, you know, I I tell 2965 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,070 and and I'm the same, you know, I I tell people, "Listen, I'm not trying to take 2966 00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:51,080 people, "Listen, I'm not trying to take 2967 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,630 people, "Listen, I'm not trying to take your god away from you. I'm really not. 2968 00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:52,640 your god away from you. I'm really not. 2969 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,230 your god away from you. I'm really not. I'm just I'm trying to tell you like the 2970 00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:54,240 I'm just I'm trying to tell you like the 2971 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,270 I'm just I'm trying to tell you like the earth isn't 6,000 years old and you 2972 00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:56,280 earth isn't 6,000 years old and you 2973 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,990 earth isn't 6,000 years old and you should really not believe that." 2974 00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:58,000 should really not believe that." 2975 00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,150 should really not believe that." >> Yeah. Did you know that you can believe 2976 00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:59,160 >> Yeah. Did you know that you can believe 2977 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,030 >> Yeah. Did you know that you can believe in god and not deny science? Tons of 2978 00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:01,040 in god and not deny science? Tons of 2979 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,870 in god and not deny science? Tons of people do it. There are scientists who 2980 00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:02,880 people do it. There are scientists who 2981 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,510 people do it. There are scientists who are religious. They just believe in a 2982 00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:04,520 are religious. They just believe in a 2983 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,510 are religious. They just believe in a god and and have beliefs that don't 2984 00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:06,520 god and and have beliefs that don't 2985 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,350 god and and have beliefs that don't contradict science. And if new data, new 2986 00:49:09,350 --> 00:49:09,360 contradict science. And if new data, new 2987 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,350 contradict science. And if new data, new evidence arises, then they change their 2988 00:49:12,350 --> 00:49:12,360 evidence arises, then they change their 2989 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,190 evidence arises, then they change their religious views to conform to what we 2990 00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:14,200 religious views to conform to what we 2991 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,270 religious views to conform to what we know to be empirically valid. 2992 00:49:16,270 --> 00:49:16,280 know to be empirically valid. 2993 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:16,710 know to be empirically valid. >> Yeah. 2994 00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:16,720 >> Yeah. 2995 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,430 >> Yeah. >> That's the correct kind of religious 2996 00:49:18,430 --> 00:49:18,440 >> That's the correct kind of religious 2997 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,750 >> That's the correct kind of religious person to be, you know. 2998 00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:19,760 person to be, you know. 2999 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,110 person to be, you know. >> Right. Right. And you know, I'm I'm 57 3000 00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:22,120 >> Right. Right. And you know, I'm I'm 57 3001 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,390 >> Right. Right. And you know, I'm I'm 57 and and I I've always just I've never 3002 00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:24,400 and and I I've always just I've never 3003 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,510 and and I I've always just I've never wanted to be a dumb person, you know? 3004 00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:26,520 wanted to be a dumb person, you know? 3005 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,990 wanted to be a dumb person, you know? Just never wanted to be a dumb person. 3006 00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:28,000 Just never wanted to be a dumb person. 3007 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,710 Just never wanted to be a dumb person. >> Well, nobody does but 3008 00:49:29,710 --> 00:49:29,720 >> Well, nobody does but 3009 00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,190 >> Well, nobody does but the dumber the dumber you are, the less 3010 00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:31,200 the dumber the dumber you are, the less 3011 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,910 the dumber the dumber you are, the less capable you are of knowing how dumb you 3012 00:49:32,910 --> 00:49:32,920 capable you are of knowing how dumb you 3013 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,470 capable you are of knowing how dumb you are, so 3014 00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:33,480 are, so 3015 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,110 are, so >> Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's It's been 3016 00:49:36,110 --> 00:49:36,120 >> Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's It's been 3017 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,670 >> Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's It's been so freeing for me because I'm so shocked 3018 00:49:38,670 --> 00:49:38,680 so freeing for me because I'm so shocked 3019 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,470 so freeing for me because I'm so shocked to talk to people 3020 00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:40,480 to talk to people 3021 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,830 to talk to people that are unaware of all of the evidence 3022 00:49:42,830 --> 00:49:42,840 that are unaware of all of the evidence 3023 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,470 that are unaware of all of the evidence to absolutely prove them that what 3024 00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:45,480 to absolutely prove them that what 3025 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,550 to absolutely prove them that what they're believing is completely false. 3026 00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:47,560 they're believing is completely false. 3027 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,230 they're believing is completely false. >> Mhm. 3028 00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:48,240 >> Mhm. 3029 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,710 >> Mhm. >> And and they want to remain in that 3030 00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:51,720 >> And and they want to remain in that 3031 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:53,670 >> And and they want to remain in that ignorance. And I was that guy. Like I 3032 00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:53,680 ignorance. And I was that guy. Like I 3033 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,190 ignorance. And I was that guy. Like I was that guy. All right, you know, what 3034 00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:55,200 was that guy. All right, you know, what 3035 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,670 was that guy. All right, you know, what can I say? I was that guy for 48 years. 3036 00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:57,680 can I say? I was that guy for 48 years. 3037 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,030 can I say? I was that guy for 48 years. And now that I've, you know, uh switched 3038 00:50:01,030 --> 00:50:01,040 And now that I've, you know, uh switched 3039 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,910 And now that I've, you know, uh switched over to like, okay, well, if the 3040 00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:02,920 over to like, okay, well, if the 3041 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,710 over to like, okay, well, if the evidence is saying this, like I'm going 3042 00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:04,720 evidence is saying this, like I'm going 3043 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,110 evidence is saying this, like I'm going to go with the evidence. 3044 00:50:06,110 --> 00:50:06,120 to go with the evidence. 3045 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:06,350 to go with the evidence. >> Yeah. 3046 00:50:06,350 --> 00:50:06,360 >> Yeah. 3047 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,190 >> Yeah. >> Uh it it I I I almost can't even believe 3048 00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:11,200 >> Uh it it I I I almost can't even believe 3049 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,310 >> Uh it it I I I almost can't even believe that people don't do that. Like don't 3050 00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:14,320 that people don't do that. Like don't 3051 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,070 that people don't do that. Like don't you want to know the truth? Like don't 3052 00:50:16,070 --> 00:50:16,080 you want to know the truth? Like don't 3053 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,670 you want to know the truth? Like don't you want to Now, there maybe are some 3054 00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:17,680 you want to Now, there maybe are some 3055 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,270 you want to Now, there maybe are some things we don't know. Like what happens 3056 00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:19,280 things we don't know. Like what happens 3057 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,510 things we don't know. Like what happens after we die? I don't freaking know. It 3058 00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:21,520 after we die? I don't freaking know. It 3059 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,110 after we die? I don't freaking know. It seems like it just all shuts down. It's 3060 00:50:23,110 --> 00:50:23,120 seems like it just all shuts down. It's 3061 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,190 seems like it just all shuts down. It's gone. It's out. It's over. That's it. 3062 00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:26,200 gone. It's out. It's over. That's it. 3063 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,190 gone. It's out. It's over. That's it. But I, you know, I've not died. And I've 3064 00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:28,200 But I, you know, I've not died. And I've 3065 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,430 But I, you know, I've not died. And I've not, you know, I don't know. 3066 00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:30,440 not, you know, I don't know. 3067 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,470 not, you know, I don't know. Uh and I'm okay not knowing. It doesn't 3068 00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:32,480 Uh and I'm okay not knowing. It doesn't 3069 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,710 Uh and I'm okay not knowing. It doesn't bother me. 3070 00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:34,720 bother me. 3071 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:35,950 bother me. >> Yeah, fair enough. 3072 00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:35,960 >> Yeah, fair enough. 3073 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:36,230 >> Yeah, fair enough. >> [laughter] 3074 00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:36,240 >> [laughter] 3075 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:36,950 >> [laughter] >> Yeah. 3076 00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:36,960 >> Yeah. 3077 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,590 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's It's a combination But the 3078 00:50:39,590 --> 00:50:39,600 >> Yeah. It's It's a combination But the 3079 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,510 >> Yeah. It's It's a combination But the thing is a lot of people don't want to 3080 00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:41,520 thing is a lot of people don't want to 3081 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,950 thing is a lot of people don't want to know. That That's the thing. They don't 3082 00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:42,960 know. That That's the thing. They don't 3083 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,030 know. That That's the thing. They don't want to know facts. They want to remain 3084 00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:45,040 want to know facts. They want to remain 3085 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,510 want to know facts. They want to remain in their 3086 00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:46,520 in their 3087 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,350 in their uh in their story time place where they 3088 00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:49,360 uh in their story time place where they 3089 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,030 uh in their story time place where they will go to heaven and frolic among their 3090 00:50:52,030 --> 00:50:52,040 will go to heaven and frolic among their 3091 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,230 will go to heaven and frolic among their loved ones for eternity. 3092 00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:54,240 loved ones for eternity. 3093 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,990 loved ones for eternity. >> Right. In mansions and streets of 3094 00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:56,000 >> Right. In mansions and streets of 3095 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,310 >> Right. In mansions and streets of >> I don't blame them. I mean, I'm scared 3096 00:50:57,310 --> 00:50:57,320 >> I don't blame them. I mean, I'm scared 3097 00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,230 >> I don't blame them. I mean, I'm scared to die. I don't want to die. And I think 3098 00:50:59,230 --> 00:50:59,240 to die. I don't want to die. And I think 3099 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:00,430 to die. I don't want to die. And I think it's going to suck. 3100 00:51:00,430 --> 00:51:00,440 it's going to suck. 3101 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:00,630 it's going to suck. >> Yeah. 3102 00:51:00,630 --> 00:51:00,640 >> Yeah. 3103 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:01,030 >> Yeah. >> But uh 3104 00:51:01,030 --> 00:51:01,040 >> But uh 3105 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,110 >> But uh >> Well, I appreciate your honesty. You 3106 00:51:02,110 --> 00:51:02,120 >> Well, I appreciate your honesty. You 3107 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,670 >> Well, I appreciate your honesty. You know, I I don't want to die either. If 3108 00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:03,680 know, I I don't want to die either. If 3109 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,070 know, I I don't want to die either. If they had some pill that could help me 3110 00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:05,080 they had some pill that could help me 3111 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,830 they had some pill that could help me live for 500 years, I'd be like, [\h__\h] 3112 00:51:06,830 --> 00:51:06,840 live for 500 years, I'd be like, [\h__\h] 3113 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:07,670 live for 500 years, I'd be like, [\h__\h] yeah, give that to me, man. 3114 00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:07,680 yeah, give that to me, man. 3115 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,870 yeah, give that to me, man. >> take 500 years. Yes. I I would like to 3116 00:51:09,870 --> 00:51:09,880 >> take 500 years. Yes. I I would like to 3117 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,270 >> take 500 years. Yes. I I would like to live as long as possible and I will take 3118 00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:11,280 live as long as possible and I will take 3119 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,350 live as long as possible and I will take steps to increase my longevity as much 3120 00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:13,360 steps to increase my longevity as much 3121 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,830 steps to increase my longevity as much as within my means to do. 3122 00:51:15,830 --> 00:51:15,840 as within my means to do. 3123 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,550 as within my means to do. Um but I'm also a [\h__\h] adult 3124 00:51:18,550 --> 00:51:18,560 Um but I'm also a [\h__\h] adult 3125 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,390 Um but I'm also a [\h__\h] adult uh that can look at reality and go, 3126 00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:20,400 uh that can look at reality and go, 3127 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,870 uh that can look at reality and go, yeah, we all die. That's the thing that 3128 00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:21,880 yeah, we all die. That's the thing that 3129 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,630 yeah, we all die. That's the thing that happens and 3130 00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:22,640 happens and 3131 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,950 happens and >> No one's escaped that. 3132 00:51:23,950 --> 00:51:23,960 >> No one's escaped that. 3133 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,750 >> No one's escaped that. >> can't escape it. It's going to happen. 3134 00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:25,760 >> can't escape it. It's going to happen. 3135 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,990 >> can't escape it. It's going to happen. And you'll be there when it happens. And 3136 00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:28,000 And you'll be there when it happens. And 3137 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,070 And you'll be there when it happens. And it will probably be terrifying. And then 3138 00:51:30,070 --> 00:51:30,080 it will probably be terrifying. And then 3139 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,190 it will probably be terrifying. And then you'll be gone and that's the end of it. 3140 00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:32,200 you'll be gone and that's the end of it. 3141 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,030 you'll be gone and that's the end of it. And the rest goes on, though. 3142 00:51:34,030 --> 00:51:34,040 And the rest goes on, though. 3143 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,310 And the rest goes on, though. >> That's right. 3144 00:51:34,310 --> 00:51:34,320 >> That's right. 3145 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,150 >> That's right. >> Everybody else still here going and 3146 00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:36,160 >> Everybody else still here going and 3147 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,190 >> Everybody else still here going and you're gone. 3148 00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:37,200 you're gone. 3149 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,470 you're gone. >> What's that Christopher Hitchens says, 3150 00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:38,480 >> What's that Christopher Hitchens says, 3151 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,630 >> What's that Christopher Hitchens says, you know, it's 3152 00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:39,640 you know, it's 3153 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:40,950 you know, it's in some of his interviews where man, 3154 00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:40,960 in some of his interviews where man, 3155 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,230 in some of his interviews where man, they were hard to watch, but 3156 00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:43,240 they were hard to watch, but 3157 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:44,470 they were hard to watch, but towards the end he said, you know, it's 3158 00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:44,480 towards the end he said, you know, it's 3159 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,550 towards the end he said, you know, it's it's like you're at the party and 3160 00:51:45,550 --> 00:51:45,560 it's like you're at the party and 3161 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,790 it's like you're at the party and someone taps you on the shoulder and 3162 00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:46,800 someone taps you on the shoulder and 3163 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,550 someone taps you on the shoulder and says you have to leave the party. 3164 00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:48,560 says you have to leave the party. 3165 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:48,990 says you have to leave the party. >> Yeah. 3166 00:51:48,990 --> 00:51:49,000 >> Yeah. 3167 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,190 >> Yeah. >> You know, and I'm like, "Oh, gosh, 3168 00:51:50,190 --> 00:51:50,200 >> You know, and I'm like, "Oh, gosh, 3169 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:50,510 >> You know, and I'm like, "Oh, gosh, that's a" 3170 00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:50,520 that's a" 3171 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,550 that's a" >> Yeah. And he left a little little too 3172 00:51:52,550 --> 00:51:52,560 >> Yeah. And he left a little little too 3173 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,430 >> Yeah. And he left a little little too soon. He was like 60 years different, 3174 00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:54,440 soon. He was like 60 years different, 3175 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,030 soon. He was like 60 years different, yeah. 3176 00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:55,040 yeah. 3177 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,950 yeah. >> Yeah, 62, yeah. I unfortunately, yeah, I 3178 00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:57,960 >> Yeah, 62, yeah. I unfortunately, yeah, I 3179 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,070 >> Yeah, 62, yeah. I unfortunately, yeah, I I'm a huge fan of Christopher Hitchens, 3180 00:52:00,070 --> 00:52:00,080 I'm a huge fan of Christopher Hitchens, 3181 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,710 I'm a huge fan of Christopher Hitchens, you know, now since he's passed, you 3182 00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:01,720 you know, now since he's passed, you 3183 00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:02,270 you know, now since he's passed, you know. 3184 00:52:02,270 --> 00:52:02,280 know. 3185 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,110 know. >> Yeah. 3186 00:52:03,110 --> 00:52:03,120 >> Yeah. 3187 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,950 >> Yeah. >> So, all right, final couple questions to 3188 00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:04,960 >> So, all right, final couple questions to 3189 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,510 >> So, all right, final couple questions to respect your time. 3190 00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:06,520 respect your time. 3191 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:07,310 respect your time. Um 3192 00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:07,320 Um 3193 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,750 Um what what books, uh if any, what would 3194 00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:09,760 what what books, uh if any, what would 3195 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,030 what what books, uh if any, what would be a couple books that you recommend for 3196 00:52:12,030 --> 00:52:12,040 be a couple books that you recommend for 3197 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,030 be a couple books that you recommend for people who are deconstructing, you know, 3198 00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:15,040 people who are deconstructing, you know, 3199 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,630 people who are deconstructing, you know, leaving the creationist viewpoint or a 3200 00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:17,640 leaving the creationist viewpoint or a 3201 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,870 leaving the creationist viewpoint or a religious viewpoint? Any books that you 3202 00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:19,880 religious viewpoint? Any books that you 3203 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,710 religious viewpoint? Any books that you recommend or series or anything that you 3204 00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:21,720 recommend or series or anything that you 3205 00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:22,430 recommend or series or anything that you recommend? 3206 00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:22,440 recommend? 3207 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,390 recommend? >> I got to be honest. I I don't read. I 3208 00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:25,400 >> I got to be honest. I I don't read. I 3209 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:26,950 >> I got to be honest. I I don't read. I don't have time. I don't have the luxury 3210 00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:26,960 don't have time. I don't have the luxury 3211 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,750 don't have time. I don't have the luxury to read, so I really almost never read 3212 00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:28,760 to read, so I really almost never read 3213 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,070 to read, so I really almost never read anything. Um 3214 00:52:30,070 --> 00:52:30,080 anything. Um 3215 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,870 anything. Um so, I don't know what has been kind of 3216 00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:32,880 so, I don't know what has been kind of 3217 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,030 so, I don't know what has been kind of in that space. Uh I also never 3218 00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:35,040 in that space. Uh I also never 3219 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,550 in that space. Uh I also never deconverted, so I don't really know what 3220 00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:36,560 deconverted, so I don't really know what 3221 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,150 deconverted, so I don't really know what is better or worse than a uh out of my 3222 00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:39,160 is better or worse than a uh out of my 3223 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:39,670 is better or worse than a uh out of my own out 3224 00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:39,680 own out 3225 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,590 own out >> I mean, I mean, that would be like, you 3226 00:52:41,590 --> 00:52:41,600 >> I mean, I mean, that would be like, you 3227 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,190 >> I mean, I mean, that would be like, you know, 3228 00:52:42,190 --> 00:52:42,200 know, 3229 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,430 know, >> what I would suggest is I have that, 3230 00:52:44,430 --> 00:52:44,440 >> what I would suggest is I have that, 3231 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,190 >> what I would suggest is I have that, like I said earlier, this like 3-hour 3232 00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:46,200 like I said earlier, this like 3-hour 3233 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,950 like I said earlier, this like 3-hour long uh ultimate guide to debunking 3234 00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:47,960 long uh ultimate guide to debunking 3235 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,590 long uh ultimate guide to debunking creationism. That would be what I would 3236 00:52:49,590 --> 00:52:49,600 creationism. That would be what I would 3237 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,070 creationism. That would be what I would recommend people watch because it is 3238 00:52:51,070 --> 00:52:51,080 recommend people watch because it is 3239 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,790 recommend people watch because it is non-combative. It's not uh I'm not 3240 00:52:53,790 --> 00:52:53,800 non-combative. It's not uh I'm not 3241 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,270 non-combative. It's not uh I'm not taking down a particular charlatan. It's 3242 00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:56,280 taking down a particular charlatan. It's 3243 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,310 taking down a particular charlatan. It's just the tone is very neutral. So, it's 3244 00:52:59,310 --> 00:52:59,320 just the tone is very neutral. So, it's 3245 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,350 just the tone is very neutral. So, it's way less like it's it's absolutely uh 3246 00:53:03,350 --> 00:53:03,360 way less like it's it's absolutely uh 3247 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,150 way less like it's it's absolutely uh indefensible that somebody would watch 3248 00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:05,160 indefensible that somebody would watch 3249 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,910 indefensible that somebody would watch that and and label me as angry or 3250 00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:07,920 that and and label me as angry or 3251 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,870 that and and label me as angry or whatever, you know, it's just very 3252 00:53:09,870 --> 00:53:09,880 whatever, you know, it's just very 3253 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,310 whatever, you know, it's just very fact-based uh taking creationist claims 3254 00:53:12,310 --> 00:53:12,320 fact-based uh taking creationist claims 3255 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,750 fact-based uh taking creationist claims and and debunking them with basic 3256 00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:13,760 and and debunking them with basic 3257 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,910 and and debunking them with basic science. So, 3258 00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:14,920 science. So, 3259 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,950 science. So, that is that would be the one. 3260 00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:16,960 that is that would be the one. 3261 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,150 that is that would be the one. >> Yeah, and you it's it's Professor Dave 3262 00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:20,160 >> Yeah, and you it's it's Professor Dave 3263 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:20,790 >> Yeah, and you it's it's Professor Dave >> explains. 3264 00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:20,800 >> explains. 3265 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,550 >> explains. >> Is explains. Okay. 3266 00:53:22,550 --> 00:53:22,560 >> Is explains. Okay. 3267 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,550 >> Is explains. Okay. Um on YouTube. And by the way, I didn't 3268 00:53:24,550 --> 00:53:24,560 Um on YouTube. And by the way, I didn't 3269 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:25,870 Um on YouTube. And by the way, I didn't realize you were a piano player, bro. 3270 00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:25,880 realize you were a piano player, bro. 3271 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,030 realize you were a piano player, bro. That's so cool. 3272 00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:27,040 That's so cool. 3273 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,190 That's so cool. >> Thanks, yeah. 3274 00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:28,200 >> Thanks, yeah. 3275 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,590 >> Thanks, yeah. >> Do you still play? 3276 00:53:29,590 --> 00:53:29,600 >> Do you still play? 3277 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,310 >> Do you still play? >> Uh a little bit. Um 3278 00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:31,320 >> Uh a little bit. Um 3279 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,870 >> Uh a little bit. Um yeah, and music is 3280 00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:32,880 yeah, and music is 3281 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,110 yeah, and music is >> I was like, "What the heck?" 3282 00:53:35,110 --> 00:53:35,120 >> I was like, "What the heck?" 3283 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,230 >> I was like, "What the heck?" >> Thank you. 3284 00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:36,240 >> Thank you. 3285 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,510 >> Thank you. >> Yeah, that's cool. Well, man, listen, I 3286 00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:38,520 >> Yeah, that's cool. Well, man, listen, I 3287 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,470 >> Yeah, that's cool. Well, man, listen, I just can't even tell you seriously what 3288 00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:40,480 just can't even tell you seriously what 3289 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,870 just can't even tell you seriously what an honor. Uh I really appreciate your 3290 00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:42,880 an honor. Uh I really appreciate your 3291 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,470 an honor. Uh I really appreciate your time and yeah, you're you're making a 3292 00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:44,480 time and yeah, you're you're making a 3293 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,390 time and yeah, you're you're making a difference. You really helped me as a 3294 00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:47,400 difference. You really helped me as a 3295 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,990 difference. You really helped me as a former fundamental preacher, 3296 00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:50,000 former fundamental preacher, 3297 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,190 former fundamental preacher, you know, come over to the side of 3298 00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:52,200 you know, come over to the side of 3299 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,470 you know, come over to the side of evidence and fact-based beliefs and and 3300 00:53:55,470 --> 00:53:55,480 evidence and fact-based beliefs and and 3301 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,190 evidence and fact-based beliefs and and then I'm happier for it. I really my 3302 00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:57,200 then I'm happier for it. I really my 3303 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,710 then I'm happier for it. I really my life is way better as an atheist than 3304 00:53:59,710 --> 00:53:59,720 life is way better as an atheist than 3305 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,590 life is way better as an atheist than ever was as a religious person. I'm a 3306 00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:01,600 ever was as a religious person. I'm a 3307 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,310 ever was as a religious person. I'm a better person actually. 3308 00:54:03,310 --> 00:54:03,320 better person actually. 3309 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,190 better person actually. >> That's great. 3310 00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:04,200 >> That's great. 3311 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,990 >> That's great. >> Yeah, so 3312 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:06,000 >> Yeah, so 3313 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,670 >> Yeah, so >> Yeah, and props to you for number one 3314 00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:07,680 >> Yeah, and props to you for number one 3315 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,830 >> Yeah, and props to you for number one having the courage to undergo that 3316 00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:08,840 having the courage to undergo that 3317 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,990 having the courage to undergo that transformation and then number two 3318 00:54:10,990 --> 00:54:11,000 transformation and then number two 3319 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,110 transformation and then number two making yourself available as 3320 00:54:13,110 --> 00:54:13,120 making yourself available as 3321 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,950 making yourself available as you know, somebody you know, something 3322 00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:14,960 you know, somebody you know, something 3323 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,350 you know, somebody you know, something that people can point to and go this is 3324 00:54:16,350 --> 00:54:16,360 that people can point to and go this is 3325 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,990 that people can point to and go this is a person that did this and serve as an 3326 00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:18,000 a person that did this and serve as an 3327 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,830 a person that did this and serve as an example and then help you know, help 3328 00:54:19,830 --> 00:54:19,840 example and then help you know, help 3329 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,110 example and then help you know, help them kind of 3330 00:54:21,110 --> 00:54:21,120 them kind of 3331 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,550 them kind of you know, just be a model for how to go 3332 00:54:23,550 --> 00:54:23,560 you know, just be a model for how to go 3333 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:24,910 you know, just be a model for how to go through that process, you know, I think 3334 00:54:24,910 --> 00:54:24,920 through that process, you know, I think 3335 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,950 through that process, you know, I think it's important. So 3336 00:54:25,950 --> 00:54:25,960 it's important. So 3337 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,270 it's important. So >> Well, I appreciate it. You know, there 3338 00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:27,280 >> Well, I appreciate it. You know, there 3339 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,150 >> Well, I appreciate it. You know, there is hope for people, you know, 3340 00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:30,160 is hope for people, you know, 3341 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,910 is hope for people, you know, yeah, if you could have met me 10 years 3342 00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:31,920 yeah, if you could have met me 10 years 3343 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,717 yeah, if you could have met me 10 years ago, you would have thought no way, but 3344 00:54:33,717 --> 00:54:33,727 ago, you would have thought no way, but 3345 00:54:33,727 --> 00:54:34,270 ago, you would have thought no way, but >> [laughter] 3346 00:54:34,270 --> 00:54:34,280 >> [laughter] 3347 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,470 >> [laughter] >> and me too. I would have told you 3348 00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:35,480 >> and me too. I would have told you 3349 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,830 >> and me too. I would have told you there's no way I would ever not. So 3350 00:54:37,830 --> 00:54:37,840 there's no way I would ever not. So 3351 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,590 there's no way I would ever not. So anyway, again, thank you so much. 3352 00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:39,600 anyway, again, thank you so much. 3353 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,550 anyway, again, thank you so much. Appreciate you and we'll talk soon, 3354 00:54:41,550 --> 00:54:41,560 Appreciate you and we'll talk soon, 3355 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,110 Appreciate you and we'll talk soon, brother. 3356 00:54:42,110 --> 00:54:42,120 brother. 3357 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,000 brother. >> Sounds good. Thanks a lot.