1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:00,709 Okay. 2 00:00:00,709 --> 00:00:00,719 Okay. 3 00:00:00,719 --> 00:00:03,510 Okay. >> Oh, is this here? Yeah. 4 00:00:03,510 --> 00:00:03,520 >> Oh, is this here? Yeah. 5 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,510 >> Oh, is this here? Yeah. >> Hi. How are you? 6 00:00:05,510 --> 00:00:05,520 >> Hi. How are you? 7 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:07,110 >> Hi. How are you? >> Doing well. Doing well. Who are we 8 00:00:07,110 --> 00:00:07,120 >> Doing well. Doing well. Who are we 9 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,950 >> Doing well. Doing well. Who are we talking to? 10 00:00:08,950 --> 00:00:08,960 talking to? 11 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,790 talking to? >> That's good. Uh, my name is Bin Yammen. 12 00:00:10,790 --> 00:00:10,800 >> That's good. Uh, my name is Bin Yammen. 13 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,549 >> That's good. Uh, my name is Bin Yammen. I am a religious Jew. 14 00:00:12,549 --> 00:00:12,559 I am a religious Jew. 15 00:00:12,559 --> 00:00:13,110 I am a religious Jew. >> Okay. 16 00:00:13,110 --> 00:00:13,120 >> Okay. 17 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:15,910 >> Okay. >> Uh, I believe that Judaism is true 18 00:00:15,910 --> 00:00:15,920 >> Uh, I believe that Judaism is true 19 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,430 >> Uh, I believe that Judaism is true because I believe that there's enough 20 00:00:17,430 --> 00:00:17,440 because I believe that there's enough 21 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,109 because I believe that there's enough evidence to believe in it. 22 00:00:19,109 --> 00:00:19,119 evidence to believe in it. 23 00:00:19,119 --> 00:00:19,910 evidence to believe in it. >> Really? 24 00:00:19,910 --> 00:00:19,920 >> Really? 25 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:25,029 >> Really? >> And even Yeah. Mhm. So, e even though I 26 00:00:25,029 --> 00:00:25,039 >> And even Yeah. Mhm. So, e even though I 27 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:28,150 >> And even Yeah. Mhm. So, e even though I understand you have your um your own 28 00:00:28,150 --> 00:00:28,160 understand you have your um your own 29 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,390 understand you have your um your own objections from the scientific 30 00:00:30,390 --> 00:00:30,400 objections from the scientific 31 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:31,910 objections from the scientific standpoint, 32 00:00:31,910 --> 00:00:31,920 standpoint, 33 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,470 standpoint, I believe that Judaism has sufficient 34 00:00:34,470 --> 00:00:34,480 I believe that Judaism has sufficient 35 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:37,030 I believe that Judaism has sufficient answers uh to your questions and enough 36 00:00:37,030 --> 00:00:37,040 answers uh to your questions and enough 37 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,630 answers uh to your questions and enough evidence to believe in them. 38 00:00:38,630 --> 00:00:38,640 evidence to believe in them. 39 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,470 evidence to believe in them. >> So, you mean that you you believe the 40 00:00:40,470 --> 00:00:40,480 >> So, you mean that you you believe the 41 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:42,630 >> So, you mean that you you believe the Old Testament to be literally true, word 42 00:00:42,630 --> 00:00:42,640 Old Testament to be literally true, word 43 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,389 Old Testament to be literally true, word for word? 44 00:00:44,389 --> 00:00:44,399 for word? 45 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:44,790 for word? Um 46 00:00:44,790 --> 00:00:44,800 Um 47 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,430 Um >> did you listen to this whole show? 48 00:00:47,430 --> 00:00:47,440 >> did you listen to this whole show? 49 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:48,869 >> did you listen to this whole show? Well, just I just want to make sure 50 00:00:48,869 --> 00:00:48,879 Well, just I just want to make sure 51 00:00:48,879 --> 00:00:51,029 Well, just I just want to make sure we're on the same page. Is that the 52 00:00:51,029 --> 00:00:51,039 we're on the same page. Is that the 53 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:52,630 we're on the same page. Is that the case? 54 00:00:52,630 --> 00:00:52,640 case? 55 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,950 case? >> Um, so I I believe along with the Old 56 00:00:54,950 --> 00:00:54,960 >> Um, so I I believe along with the Old 57 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,470 >> Um, so I I believe along with the Old Testament, there is a oral law that 58 00:00:58,470 --> 00:00:58,480 Testament, there is a oral law that 59 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,150 Testament, there is a oral law that comes along with it that explains the 60 00:01:00,150 --> 00:01:00,160 comes along with it that explains the 61 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,430 comes along with it that explains the words of the Old Testament. So I don't 62 00:01:01,430 --> 00:01:01,440 words of the Old Testament. So I don't 63 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,510 words of the Old Testament. So I don't think the Old Testament can be taken at 64 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:03,520 think the Old Testament can be taken at 65 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,509 think the Old Testament can be taken at face value. No. 66 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:05,519 face value. No. 67 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:08,870 face value. No. >> So you're taking oral Torah 68 00:01:08,870 --> 00:01:08,880 >> So you're taking oral Torah 69 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,750 >> So you're taking oral Torah >> over the written Torah. 70 00:01:11,750 --> 00:01:11,760 >> over the written Torah. 71 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,670 >> over the written Torah. >> Uh, no. I I think they were both given 72 00:01:13,670 --> 00:01:13,680 >> Uh, no. I I think they were both given 73 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,990 >> Uh, no. I I think they were both given out Sinai. They're both God's word. And 74 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:16,000 out Sinai. They're both God's word. And 75 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,670 out Sinai. They're both God's word. And I think you need the oral Torah to 76 00:01:17,670 --> 00:01:17,680 I think you need the oral Torah to 77 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,910 I think you need the oral Torah to interpret the written Torah. Like for 78 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:19,920 interpret the written Torah. Like for 79 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,149 interpret the written Torah. Like for example, Deuteronomy 6 um 68 or 67 says 80 00:01:24,149 --> 00:01:24,159 example, Deuteronomy 6 um 68 or 67 says 81 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:26,710 example, Deuteronomy 6 um 68 or 67 says that you should wrap totapos on your 82 00:01:26,710 --> 00:01:26,720 that you should wrap totapos on your 83 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,270 that you should wrap totapos on your arm. This cannot be understood without 84 00:01:29,270 --> 00:01:29,280 arm. This cannot be understood without 85 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,749 arm. This cannot be understood without some oral equivalent because that word 86 00:01:31,749 --> 00:01:31,759 some oral equivalent because that word 87 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:34,149 some oral equivalent because that word totapose has no meaning. It doesn't 88 00:01:34,149 --> 00:01:34,159 totapose has no meaning. It doesn't 89 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:36,789 totapose has no meaning. It doesn't explain what this thing is. So I think 90 00:01:36,789 --> 00:01:36,799 explain what this thing is. So I think 91 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:41,109 explain what this thing is. So I think it has some um uh oral explanation for 92 00:01:41,109 --> 00:01:41,119 it has some um uh oral explanation for 93 00:01:41,119 --> 00:01:42,870 it has some um uh oral explanation for all the verses within the within the 94 00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:42,880 all the verses within the within the 95 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,149 all the verses within the within the Torah. 96 00:01:44,149 --> 00:01:44,159 Torah. 97 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:46,310 Torah. >> Okay. So it what how do you deal with 98 00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:46,320 >> Okay. So it what how do you deal with 99 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:48,789 >> Okay. So it what how do you deal with the fact then that even if there is an 100 00:01:48,789 --> 00:01:48,799 the fact then that even if there is an 101 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:50,550 the fact then that even if there is an oral Torah which is just anybody's 102 00:01:50,550 --> 00:01:50,560 oral Torah which is just anybody's 103 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,230 oral Torah which is just anybody's talking 104 00:01:52,230 --> 00:01:52,240 talking 105 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,190 talking um and you've got the written Torah and 106 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:55,200 um and you've got the written Torah and 107 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,710 um and you've got the written Torah and that's 108 00:01:56,710 --> 00:01:56,720 that's 109 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,230 that's wrong about everything like absolutely 110 00:02:00,230 --> 00:02:00,240 wrong about everything like absolutely 111 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,149 wrong about everything like absolutely wrong about practically everything back 112 00:02:02,149 --> 00:02:02,159 wrong about practically everything back 113 00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:04,789 wrong about practically everything back to front scientifically and historically 114 00:02:04,789 --> 00:02:04,799 to front scientifically and historically 115 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:07,429 to front scientifically and historically ethically and morally. The written Torah 116 00:02:07,429 --> 00:02:07,439 ethically and morally. The written Torah 117 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:11,270 ethically and morally. The written Torah is totally [\h__\h] How do we even verify 118 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:11,280 is totally [\h__\h] How do we even verify 119 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,630 is totally [\h__\h] How do we even verify an oral Torah that tells everything 120 00:02:12,630 --> 00:02:12,640 an oral Torah that tells everything 121 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,309 an oral Torah that tells everything correctly? 122 00:02:14,309 --> 00:02:14,319 correctly? 123 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:16,150 correctly? Well, if you're making an eternal 124 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:16,160 Well, if you're making an eternal 125 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,550 Well, if you're making an eternal critique on my beliefs, then I would 126 00:02:18,550 --> 00:02:18,560 critique on my beliefs, then I would 127 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,309 critique on my beliefs, then I would just answer that the oral Torah was also 128 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:20,319 just answer that the oral Torah was also 129 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:21,670 just answer that the oral Torah was also given at Sinai. It has the same 130 00:02:21,670 --> 00:02:21,680 given at Sinai. It has the same 131 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,670 given at Sinai. It has the same authority as the written Torah. I I 132 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:23,680 authority as the written Torah. I I 133 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,670 authority as the written Torah. I I agree with you. the Torah that is the 134 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:25,680 agree with you. the Torah that is the 135 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,070 agree with you. the Torah that is the written Torah that is absolutely wrong 136 00:02:30,070 --> 00:02:30,080 written Torah that is absolutely wrong 137 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,790 written Torah that is absolutely wrong that describes the earth as flat 138 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:32,800 that describes the earth as flat 139 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,229 that describes the earth as flat >> that that completely [\h__\h] up biology 140 00:02:36,229 --> 00:02:36,239 >> that that completely [\h__\h] up biology 141 00:02:36,239 --> 00:02:38,309 >> that that completely [\h__\h] up biology that that that advocates horrible 142 00:02:38,309 --> 00:02:38,319 that that that advocates horrible 143 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:41,430 that that that advocates horrible atrocities all of this that that can't 144 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:41,440 atrocities all of this that that can't 145 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,309 atrocities all of this that that can't be defended at all that has equal 146 00:02:44,309 --> 00:02:44,319 be defended at all that has equal 147 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:47,430 be defended at all that has equal authority with the oral Torah. 148 00:02:47,430 --> 00:02:47,440 authority with the oral Torah. 149 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,710 authority with the oral Torah. >> Well, what's your standard of 150 00:02:48,710 --> 00:02:48,720 >> Well, what's your standard of 151 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,710 >> Well, what's your standard of interpretation for the for the written 152 00:02:50,710 --> 00:02:50,720 interpretation for the for the written 153 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,390 interpretation for the for the written Torah? How can you take this text at 154 00:02:52,390 --> 00:02:52,400 Torah? How can you take this text at 155 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,990 Torah? How can you take this text at face value when it has an oral 156 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:54,000 face value when it has an oral 157 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,150 face value when it has an oral equivalence for the written to our 158 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:56,160 equivalence for the written to our 159 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,030 equivalence for the written to our apologies? 160 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:57,040 apologies? 161 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,430 apologies? >> Well, I don't how do I how do we even 162 00:02:59,430 --> 00:02:59,440 >> Well, I don't how do I how do we even 163 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,030 >> Well, I don't how do I how do we even how would I even verify? 164 00:03:01,030 --> 00:03:01,040 how would I even verify? 165 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,790 how would I even verify? >> Give us an example of something that you 166 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:02,800 >> Give us an example of something that you 167 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,270 >> Give us an example of something that you acknowledge is ridiculously hopelessly 168 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:05,280 acknowledge is ridiculously hopelessly 169 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,550 acknowledge is ridiculously hopelessly false in the written Torah and tell us 170 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:08,560 false in the written Torah and tell us 171 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,070 false in the written Torah and tell us how the oral version salvages that. Give 172 00:03:12,070 --> 00:03:12,080 how the oral version salvages that. Give 173 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:12,869 how the oral version salvages that. Give us an example 174 00:03:12,869 --> 00:03:12,879 us an example 175 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:14,949 us an example >> like on a face value. How I what I think 176 00:03:14,949 --> 00:03:14,959 >> like on a face value. How I what I think 177 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:17,990 >> like on a face value. How I what I think is ridiculous on a face value. 178 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:18,000 is ridiculous on a face value. 179 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,350 is ridiculous on a face value. >> Well, the whole thing's it's ridiculous 180 00:03:19,350 --> 00:03:19,360 >> Well, the whole thing's it's ridiculous 181 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:20,869 >> Well, the whole thing's it's ridiculous top to bottom. So, I mean, just take 182 00:03:20,869 --> 00:03:20,879 top to bottom. So, I mean, just take 183 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:23,190 top to bottom. So, I mean, just take your pick. Yeah. At face value. The face 184 00:03:23,190 --> 00:03:23,200 your pick. Yeah. At face value. The face 185 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,670 your pick. Yeah. At face value. The face value the written written version, 186 00:03:25,670 --> 00:03:25,680 value the written written version, 187 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,110 value the written written version, written scripture, and then tell us how 188 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:27,120 written scripture, and then tell us how 189 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,309 written scripture, and then tell us how the oral tradition salvages it, you 190 00:03:30,309 --> 00:03:30,319 the oral tradition salvages it, you 191 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:31,350 the oral tradition salvages it, you know, because I don't know what you're 192 00:03:31,350 --> 00:03:31,360 know, because I don't know what you're 193 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:31,670 know, because I don't know what you're talking about. 194 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:31,680 talking about. 195 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,589 talking about. >> I can do that. And yeah, I I will 196 00:03:33,589 --> 00:03:33,599 >> I can do that. And yeah, I I will 197 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:35,030 >> I can do that. And yeah, I I will respond. I just want to say I want to 198 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:35,040 respond. I just want to say I want to 199 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,270 respond. I just want to say I want to bring up some what I believe are proofs 200 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:37,280 bring up some what I believe are proofs 201 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,710 bring up some what I believe are proofs the validity of the Torah, but I will 202 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:38,720 the validity of the Torah, but I will 203 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,990 the validity of the Torah, but I will respond to what you said. So I think 204 00:03:39,990 --> 00:03:40,000 respond to what you said. So I think 205 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,030 respond to what you said. So I think that numbers 15:32-36 206 00:03:43,030 --> 00:03:43,040 that numbers 15:32-36 207 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,509 that numbers 15:32-36 cannot be understood as just without a 208 00:03:45,509 --> 00:03:45,519 cannot be understood as just without a 209 00:03:45,519 --> 00:03:47,509 cannot be understood as just without a moral uh without an oral equivalent 210 00:03:47,509 --> 00:03:47,519 moral uh without an oral equivalent 211 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:49,110 moral uh without an oral equivalent because according to the plain 212 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:49,120 because according to the plain 213 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,350 because according to the plain understanding of the the verse a person 214 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:51,360 understanding of the the verse a person 215 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,789 understanding of the the verse a person was doing what he thought was okay and 216 00:03:52,789 --> 00:03:52,799 was doing what he thought was okay and 217 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:54,390 was doing what he thought was okay and God killed him on the Sabbath for no 218 00:03:54,390 --> 00:03:54,400 God killed him on the Sabbath for no 219 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,149 God killed him on the Sabbath for no reason. Um while there are there are 220 00:03:56,149 --> 00:03:56,159 reason. Um while there are there are 221 00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:58,390 reason. Um while there are there are there's an easy internal way to 222 00:03:58,390 --> 00:03:58,400 there's an easy internal way to 223 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,070 there's an easy internal way to understand this with the oral law. I 224 00:04:00,070 --> 00:04:00,080 understand this with the oral law. I 225 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,470 understand this with the oral law. I think that it's indefensible um just 226 00:04:02,470 --> 00:04:02,480 think that it's indefensible um just 227 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,789 think that it's indefensible um just based off of the written word alone. 228 00:04:04,789 --> 00:04:04,799 based off of the written word alone. 229 00:04:04,799 --> 00:04:06,550 based off of the written word alone. >> Okay. But so this isn't really what 230 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:06,560 >> Okay. But so this isn't really what 231 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,750 >> Okay. But so this isn't really what we're talking about here, right? is 232 00:04:07,750 --> 00:04:07,760 we're talking about here, right? is 233 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,670 we're talking about here, right? is you're talking about stories from which 234 00:04:09,670 --> 00:04:09,680 you're talking about stories from which 235 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,910 you're talking about stories from which you can devise a moral code. And I mean 236 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:11,920 you can devise a moral code. And I mean 237 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,429 you can devise a moral code. And I mean Arin did bring that up and I do agree 238 00:04:13,429 --> 00:04:13,439 Arin did bring that up and I do agree 239 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:14,949 Arin did bring that up and I do agree that it's morally indefensible, but 240 00:04:14,949 --> 00:04:14,959 that it's morally indefensible, but 241 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:17,430 that it's morally indefensible, but we're talking more about like how the 242 00:04:17,430 --> 00:04:17,440 we're talking more about like how the 243 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,909 we're talking more about like how the universe developed and life and we're 244 00:04:19,909 --> 00:04:19,919 universe developed and life and we're 245 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:21,590 universe developed and life and we're talking about things that brush up 246 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:21,600 talking about things that brush up 247 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,629 talking about things that brush up against the scientific understanding. Um 248 00:04:24,629 --> 00:04:24,639 against the scientific understanding. Um 249 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:25,909 against the scientific understanding. Um so since it's scientifically 250 00:04:25,909 --> 00:04:25,919 so since it's scientifically 251 00:04:25,919 --> 00:04:27,909 so since it's scientifically indefensible and categorically wrong 252 00:04:27,909 --> 00:04:27,919 indefensible and categorically wrong 253 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:29,430 indefensible and categorically wrong about everything it says from a 254 00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:29,440 about everything it says from a 255 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,189 about everything it says from a scientific standpoint, tell us how the 256 00:04:31,189 --> 00:04:31,199 scientific standpoint, tell us how the 257 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:33,830 scientific standpoint, tell us how the oral tradition salvages a scientific 258 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:33,840 oral tradition salvages a scientific 259 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,670 oral tradition salvages a scientific inaccuracy in the Bible. That's what 260 00:04:35,670 --> 00:04:35,680 inaccuracy in the Bible. That's what 261 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,110 inaccuracy in the Bible. That's what that's what we're kind of trying to talk 262 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:37,120 that's what we're kind of trying to talk 263 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:37,430 that's what we're kind of trying to talk about. 264 00:04:37,430 --> 00:04:37,440 about. 265 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,749 about. >> Sure. So, I'll tell you some some things 266 00:04:39,749 --> 00:04:39,759 >> Sure. So, I'll tell you some some things 267 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:42,550 >> Sure. So, I'll tell you some some things that the oral tradition um resolves. For 268 00:04:42,550 --> 00:04:42,560 that the oral tradition um resolves. For 269 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,590 that the oral tradition um resolves. For example, uh for uh you you say that 270 00:04:45,590 --> 00:04:45,600 example, uh for uh you you say that 271 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,270 example, uh for uh you you say that according to the plain understanding of 272 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:47,280 according to the plain understanding of 273 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:49,350 according to the plain understanding of the Bible, the earth is flat. But that 274 00:04:49,350 --> 00:04:49,360 the Bible, the earth is flat. But that 275 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,870 the Bible, the earth is flat. But that was not never the understanding 276 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:50,880 was not never the understanding 277 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,510 was not never the understanding according to the ages. These sages who 278 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:53,520 according to the ages. These sages who 279 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,189 according to the ages. These sages who had the oral tradition, who knew on how 280 00:04:55,189 --> 00:04:55,199 had the oral tradition, who knew on how 281 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:56,790 had the oral tradition, who knew on how to understand the text, always 282 00:04:56,790 --> 00:04:56,800 to understand the text, always 283 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,950 to understand the text, always understood this the earth was a sphere. 284 00:04:58,950 --> 00:04:58,960 understood this the earth was a sphere. 285 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,790 understood this the earth was a sphere. There's a there's a Talmud about this 286 00:05:00,790 --> 00:05:00,800 There's a there's a Talmud about this 287 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,390 There's a there's a Talmud about this where they explicitly say that the earth 288 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:02,400 where they explicitly say that the earth 289 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,950 where they explicitly say that the earth is a sphere. Then why does the Bible why 290 00:05:04,950 --> 00:05:04,960 is a sphere. Then why does the Bible why 291 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,710 is a sphere. Then why does the Bible why does the written Torah say otherwise? 292 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:08,720 does the written Torah say otherwise? 293 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,350 does the written Torah say otherwise? >> Why does uh again because you according 294 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:11,360 >> Why does uh again because you according 295 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,110 >> Why does uh again because you according to your subjective understanding of the 296 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:13,120 to your subjective understanding of the 297 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,150 to your subjective understanding of the verse 298 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:14,160 verse 299 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,790 verse >> objective not not dependent on my own 300 00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:16,800 >> objective not not dependent on my own 301 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,350 >> objective not not dependent on my own personal opinions but dependent upon the 302 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:19,360 personal opinions but dependent upon the 303 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,710 personal opinions but dependent upon the facts outside of them the facts outside 304 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:22,720 facts outside of them the facts outside 305 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,790 facts outside of them the facts outside of my personal opinions which makes it 306 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:24,800 of my personal opinions which makes it 307 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,510 of my personal opinions which makes it objective not subjective. 308 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:27,520 objective not subjective. 309 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,990 objective not subjective. You may know Hebrew but I know English. 310 00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:30,000 You may know Hebrew but I know English. 311 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,230 You may know Hebrew but I know English. >> Okay. So this is how objective and 312 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:32,240 >> Okay. So this is how objective and 313 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,830 >> Okay. So this is how objective and subjective they're different. I'm 314 00:05:33,830 --> 00:05:33,840 subjective they're different. I'm 315 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:38,390 subjective they're different. I'm talking about objective not subjective. 316 00:05:38,390 --> 00:05:38,400 talking about objective not subjective. 317 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,710 talking about objective not subjective. >> Yeah. So if if you would agree that two 318 00:05:40,710 --> 00:05:40,720 >> Yeah. So if if you would agree that two 319 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,310 >> Yeah. So if if you would agree that two people can read the same thing and 320 00:05:42,310 --> 00:05:42,320 people can read the same thing and 321 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,150 people can read the same thing and understand it differently then any 322 00:05:44,150 --> 00:05:44,160 understand it differently then any 323 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,670 understand it differently then any interpretation of the Bible would just 324 00:05:45,670 --> 00:05:45,680 interpretation of the Bible would just 325 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:45,990 interpretation of the Bible would just be 326 00:05:45,990 --> 00:05:46,000 be 327 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,230 be >> what happens when we get three or 18 or 328 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:48,240 >> what happens when we get three or 18 or 329 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,070 >> what happens when we get three or 18 or what happens when it's not just the 330 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:50,080 what happens when it's not just the 331 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,469 what happens when it's not just the number of people but when they can show 332 00:05:52,469 --> 00:05:52,479 number of people but when they can show 333 00:05:52,479 --> 00:05:54,310 number of people but when they can show the etmology of the language or when 334 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:54,320 the etmology of the language or when 335 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,150 the etmology of the language or when they can show the data that proves the 336 00:05:56,150 --> 00:05:56,160 they can show the data that proves the 337 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,189 they can show the data that proves the point then one person can show that 18 338 00:05:59,189 --> 00:05:59,199 point then one person can show that 18 339 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:01,189 point then one person can show that 18 people are wrong 340 00:06:01,189 --> 00:06:01,199 people are wrong 341 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:01,909 people are wrong what then 342 00:06:01,909 --> 00:06:01,919 what then 343 00:06:01,919 --> 00:06:04,469 what then >> so you you can show you can show via 344 00:06:04,469 --> 00:06:04,479 >> so you you can show you can show via 345 00:06:04,479 --> 00:06:06,629 >> so you you can show you can show via etmology why like Zechariah 8:3 is 346 00:06:06,629 --> 00:06:06,639 etmology why like Zechariah 8:3 is 347 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:08,469 etmology why like Zechariah 8:3 is saying the earth is flat I don't I think 348 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:08,479 saying the earth is flat I don't I think 349 00:06:08,479 --> 00:06:12,469 saying the earth is flat I don't I think that's uh how what about in Job 350 00:06:12,469 --> 00:06:12,479 that's uh how what about in Job 351 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:15,350 that's uh how what about in Job >> what is it 39:14 I think when Job him 352 00:06:15,350 --> 00:06:15,360 >> what is it 39:14 I think when Job him 353 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,430 >> what is it 39:14 I think when Job him when God himself 354 00:06:17,430 --> 00:06:17,440 when God himself 355 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,070 when God himself >> says that the earth takes the form of a 356 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:20,080 >> says that the earth takes the form of a 357 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,390 >> says that the earth takes the form of a of a of a seal of of of wax under a seal 358 00:06:24,390 --> 00:06:24,400 of a of a seal of of of wax under a seal 359 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,110 of a of a seal of of of wax under a seal which what is that shape it's a flat 360 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:27,120 which what is that shape it's a flat 361 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,990 which what is that shape it's a flat disc with a bit of topography on it and 362 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:30,000 disc with a bit of topography on it and 363 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,070 disc with a bit of topography on it and that's just one example my friend 364 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:32,080 that's just one example my friend 365 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,749 that's just one example my friend Lawrence Eupo who's a Bible scholar 366 00:06:33,749 --> 00:06:33,759 Lawrence Eupo who's a Bible scholar 367 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:36,550 Lawrence Eupo who's a Bible scholar himself wrote a wrote a made a a video 368 00:06:36,550 --> 00:06:36,560 himself wrote a wrote a made a a video 369 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,230 himself wrote a wrote a made a a video like a 45minute video showing dozens of 370 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:40,240 like a 45minute video showing dozens of 371 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,670 like a 45minute video showing dozens of different places in the Bible that 372 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:41,680 different places in the Bible that 373 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,790 different places in the Bible that always consistently only ever describe 374 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:44,800 always consistently only ever describe 375 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,510 always consistently only ever describe the earth as flat. Always look, never an 376 00:06:47,510 --> 00:06:47,520 the earth as flat. Always look, never an 377 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,150 the earth as flat. Always look, never an indication of a sphere. Every and I've 378 00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:50,160 indication of a sphere. Every and I've 379 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,430 indication of a sphere. Every and I've got I've got other things that I can 380 00:06:51,430 --> 00:06:51,440 got I've got other things that I can 381 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,309 got I've got other things that I can contribute to that where everything 382 00:06:54,309 --> 00:06:54,319 contribute to that where everything 383 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:57,029 contribute to that where everything literally everything that the Bible says 384 00:06:57,029 --> 00:06:57,039 literally everything that the Bible says 385 00:06:57,039 --> 00:06:58,390 literally everything that the Bible says about the Earth in relation to the rest 386 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:58,400 about the Earth in relation to the rest 387 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,350 about the Earth in relation to the rest of the cosmos is wrong. Demonstrabably 388 00:07:01,350 --> 00:07:01,360 of the cosmos is wrong. Demonstrabably 389 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,550 of the cosmos is wrong. Demonstrabably flatout wrong. The sun is not the sun is 390 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:04,560 flatout wrong. The sun is not the sun is 391 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,710 flatout wrong. The sun is not the sun is not bigger than all the other stars. The 392 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:06,720 not bigger than all the other stars. The 393 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,950 not bigger than all the other stars. The the moon is not the same size as the 394 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:08,960 the moon is not the same size as the 395 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,870 the moon is not the same size as the sun. The stars are not something 396 00:07:10,870 --> 00:07:10,880 sun. The stars are not something 397 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,189 sun. The stars are not something different than the sun. The stars do not 398 00:07:13,189 --> 00:07:13,199 different than the sun. The stars do not 399 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,029 different than the sun. The stars do not have personalities and cannot come down 400 00:07:15,029 --> 00:07:15,039 have personalities and cannot come down 401 00:07:15,039 --> 00:07:16,950 have personalities and cannot come down to earth to do battle with a human 402 00:07:16,950 --> 00:07:16,960 to earth to do battle with a human 403 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,230 to earth to do battle with a human being. Well, I'm sorry. That's a 404 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:18,240 being. Well, I'm sorry. That's a 405 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,350 being. Well, I'm sorry. That's a Christian thing. You wouldn't know about 406 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:19,360 Christian thing. You wouldn't know about 407 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,909 Christian thing. You wouldn't know about that one, so I'll leave that one alone. 408 00:07:21,909 --> 00:07:21,919 that one, so I'll leave that one alone. 409 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:23,830 that one, so I'll leave that one alone. >> But so the the point is where are you 410 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:23,840 >> But so the the point is where are you 411 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,629 >> But so the the point is where are you getting this oral the the oral teaching 412 00:07:26,629 --> 00:07:26,639 getting this oral the the oral teaching 413 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:28,390 getting this oral the the oral teaching and and how does it rectify any of that? 414 00:07:28,390 --> 00:07:28,400 and and how does it rectify any of that? 415 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,589 and and how does it rectify any of that? Like we're still we still haven't gotten 416 00:07:29,589 --> 00:07:29,599 Like we're still we still haven't gotten 417 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:30,790 Like we're still we still haven't gotten this answer here. like if you want to 418 00:07:30,790 --> 00:07:30,800 this answer here. like if you want to 419 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,710 this answer here. like if you want to bend over backwards and deny the 420 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:32,720 bend over backwards and deny the 421 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,629 bend over backwards and deny the illegitimacy scientifically speaking of 422 00:07:34,629 --> 00:07:34,639 illegitimacy scientifically speaking of 423 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:35,749 illegitimacy scientifically speaking of everything in there. 424 00:07:35,749 --> 00:07:35,759 everything in there. 425 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:37,270 everything in there. >> Um, 426 00:07:37,270 --> 00:07:37,280 >> Um, 427 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,029 >> Um, help us out here. Where are you getting 428 00:07:39,029 --> 00:07:39,039 help us out here. Where are you getting 429 00:07:39,039 --> 00:07:40,070 help us out here. Where are you getting this other stuff? 430 00:07:40,070 --> 00:07:40,080 this other stuff? 431 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,430 this other stuff? >> So, I'll answer both of your questions. 432 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:41,440 >> So, I'll answer both of your questions. 433 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,189 >> So, I'll answer both of your questions. I'll answer because one is external, one 434 00:07:43,189 --> 00:07:43,199 I'll answer because one is external, one 435 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,469 I'll answer because one is external, one is internal. So, I have no reason why 436 00:07:46,469 --> 00:07:46,479 is internal. So, I have no reason why 437 00:07:46,479 --> 00:07:49,510 is internal. So, I have no reason why not to grant uh sorry, why to grant that 438 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:49,520 not to grant uh sorry, why to grant that 439 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,909 not to grant uh sorry, why to grant that Job is literal there. Job also says he 440 00:07:51,909 --> 00:07:51,919 Job is literal there. Job also says he 441 00:07:51,919 --> 00:07:53,749 Job is literal there. Job also says he suspends the earth over nothing. That's 442 00:07:53,749 --> 00:07:53,759 suspends the earth over nothing. That's 443 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:55,350 suspends the earth over nothing. That's that's something you would agree with 444 00:07:55,350 --> 00:07:55,360 that's something you would agree with 445 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,029 that's something you would agree with that the earth is not held up by 446 00:07:57,029 --> 00:07:57,039 that the earth is not held up by 447 00:07:57,039 --> 00:07:58,710 that the earth is not held up by anything which was an ancient belief. 448 00:07:58,710 --> 00:07:58,720 anything which was an ancient belief. 449 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,029 anything which was an ancient belief. Uh, says nothing about the shape itself 450 00:08:01,029 --> 00:08:01,039 Uh, says nothing about the shape itself 451 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:02,710 Uh, says nothing about the shape itself and says that it's held up on pillars so 452 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:02,720 and says that it's held up on pillars so 453 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,110 and says that it's held up on pillars so that it will not move. 454 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:05,120 that it will not move. 455 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,309 that it will not move. >> Yeah, I didn't hear anything about a 456 00:08:06,309 --> 00:08:06,319 >> Yeah, I didn't hear anything about a 457 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:08,950 >> Yeah, I didn't hear anything about a sphere today. 458 00:08:08,950 --> 00:08:08,960 sphere today. 459 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:09,510 sphere today. >> But 460 00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:09,520 >> But 461 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,830 >> But >> yeah, and the Bible is also depicted as 462 00:08:11,830 --> 00:08:11,840 >> yeah, and the Bible is also depicted as 463 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,550 >> yeah, and the Bible is also depicted as the largest thing in the universe 464 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:14,560 the largest thing in the universe 465 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,390 the largest thing in the universe >> covered by a firmament that we know does 466 00:08:16,390 --> 00:08:16,400 >> covered by a firmament that we know does 467 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,790 >> covered by a firmament that we know does not exist. And the sun and the moon and 468 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:18,800 not exist. And the sun and the moon and 469 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,869 not exist. And the sun and the moon and the stars are not contained within where 470 00:08:20,869 --> 00:08:20,879 the stars are not contained within where 471 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:22,230 the stars are not contained within where the firmament would have been if there 472 00:08:22,230 --> 00:08:22,240 the firmament would have been if there 473 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,909 the firmament would have been if there was a firmament. And there's no water 474 00:08:23,909 --> 00:08:23,919 was a firmament. And there's no water 475 00:08:23,919 --> 00:08:26,790 was a firmament. And there's no water above where the firmament isn't. So the 476 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:26,800 above where the firmament isn't. So the 477 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,189 above where the firmament isn't. So the fact that the written Torah is totally 478 00:08:29,189 --> 00:08:29,199 fact that the written Torah is totally 479 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:33,430 fact that the written Torah is totally wrong does not justify an oral Torah. 480 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:33,440 wrong does not justify an oral Torah. 481 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,589 wrong does not justify an oral Torah. We're still waiting for you to explain, 482 00:08:35,589 --> 00:08:35,599 We're still waiting for you to explain, 483 00:08:35,599 --> 00:08:36,310 We're still waiting for you to explain, >> right? 484 00:08:36,310 --> 00:08:36,320 >> right? 485 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,389 >> right? >> So So I'll I'll explain, but I I just 486 00:08:38,389 --> 00:08:38,399 >> So So I'll I'll explain, but I I just 487 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:40,149 >> So So I'll I'll explain, but I I just want like a minute to explain because 488 00:08:40,149 --> 00:08:40,159 want like a minute to explain because 489 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:42,310 want like a minute to explain because it's this is important. So the the 490 00:08:42,310 --> 00:08:42,320 it's this is important. So the the 491 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,589 it's this is important. So the the you're doing two things right now. One, 492 00:08:43,589 --> 00:08:43,599 you're doing two things right now. One, 493 00:08:43,599 --> 00:08:45,110 you're doing two things right now. One, you're making an internal critique, 494 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:45,120 you're making an internal critique, 495 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,350 you're making an internal critique, meaning that how can you understand with 496 00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:47,360 meaning that how can you understand with 497 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,269 meaning that how can you understand with the oral tradition what these verses are 498 00:08:49,269 --> 00:08:49,279 the oral tradition what these verses are 499 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:50,550 the oral tradition what these verses are saying? And I would say that these 500 00:08:50,550 --> 00:08:50,560 saying? And I would say that these 501 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,070 saying? And I would say that these verses are metaphorical. The 502 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:52,080 verses are metaphorical. The 503 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,150 verses are metaphorical. The understanding of the people of the sages 504 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:54,160 understanding of the people of the sages 505 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,630 understanding of the people of the sages was always based off these verses too 506 00:08:56,630 --> 00:08:56,640 was always based off these verses too 507 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,269 was always based off these verses too was always the pro uh the prominent 508 00:08:59,269 --> 00:08:59,279 was always the pro uh the prominent 509 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:01,750 was always the pro uh the prominent scientific view. Uh in fact we even 510 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:01,760 scientific view. Uh in fact we even 511 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,829 scientific view. Uh in fact we even affirm uh the big bang. It says that 512 00:09:03,829 --> 00:09:03,839 affirm uh the big bang. It says that 513 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:06,230 affirm uh the big bang. It says that before what before creation the the 514 00:09:06,230 --> 00:09:06,240 before what before creation the the 515 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,550 before what before creation the the earth was smaller than the pupil or the 516 00:09:08,550 --> 00:09:08,560 earth was smaller than the pupil or the 517 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:10,310 earth was smaller than the pupil or the world was smaller than the pupil of 518 00:09:10,310 --> 00:09:10,320 world was smaller than the pupil of 519 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,310 world was smaller than the pupil of one's eye. And second off as to your 520 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:12,320 one's eye. And second off as to your 521 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:13,750 one's eye. And second off as to your external critique where do we get this 522 00:09:13,750 --> 00:09:13,760 external critique where do we get this 523 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,990 external critique where do we get this oral tradition from? Um, we can point to 524 00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:16,000 oral tradition from? Um, we can point to 525 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,310 oral tradition from? Um, we can point to oral tradition from, you know, from the 526 00:09:18,310 --> 00:09:18,320 oral tradition from, you know, from the 527 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,990 oral tradition from, you know, from the times of the Christian Bible, from the 528 00:09:19,990 --> 00:09:20,000 times of the Christian Bible, from the 529 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,550 times of the Christian Bible, from the the second temple period. Obviously, the 530 00:09:22,550 --> 00:09:22,560 the second temple period. Obviously, the 531 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:24,230 the second temple period. Obviously, the further you go back, the less evidence 532 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:24,240 further you go back, the less evidence 533 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,550 further you go back, the less evidence you have. Um, but we can point to like 534 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:26,560 you have. Um, but we can point to like 535 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:29,110 you have. Um, but we can point to like to uh the the toillin in the Kuman 536 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:29,120 to uh the the toillin in the Kuman 537 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,110 to uh the the toillin in the Kuman caves. We can point to the the 538 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:31,120 caves. We can point to the the 539 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,430 caves. We can point to the the references to of it in the even the 540 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:33,440 references to of it in the even the 541 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,550 references to of it in the even the Christian Bible, which I'll use as 542 00:09:34,550 --> 00:09:34,560 Christian Bible, which I'll use as 543 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:35,670 Christian Bible, which I'll use as evidence because it's 544 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:35,680 evidence because it's 545 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:37,430 evidence because it's >> still waiting for an example, man. Where 546 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:37,440 >> still waiting for an example, man. Where 547 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,829 >> still waiting for an example, man. Where where in the oral tradition does it 548 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:39,839 where in the oral tradition does it 549 00:09:39,839 --> 00:09:41,829 where in the oral tradition does it correct a scientific inaccuracy in the 550 00:09:41,829 --> 00:09:41,839 correct a scientific inaccuracy in the 551 00:09:41,839 --> 00:09:43,750 correct a scientific inaccuracy in the in the written version? Still waiting 552 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:43,760 in the written version? Still waiting 553 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,150 in the written version? Still waiting for an example. Well, 554 00:09:46,150 --> 00:09:46,160 for an example. Well, 555 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,710 for an example. Well, so I I think you're you're kind of 556 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:48,720 so I I think you're you're kind of 557 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,150 so I I think you're you're kind of begging the question by assuming that 558 00:09:50,150 --> 00:09:50,160 begging the question by assuming that 559 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,590 begging the question by assuming that there's scientific inaccuracy in the 560 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:51,600 there's scientific inaccuracy in the 561 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,030 there's scientific inaccuracy in the first place. And what I mean by that 562 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:53,040 first place. And what I mean by that 563 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,630 first place. And what I mean by that because your interpret 564 00:09:54,630 --> 00:09:54,640 because your interpret 565 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,910 because your interpret >> we just told you how all of it is 566 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:55,920 >> we just told you how all of it is 567 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,590 >> we just told you how all of it is unbelievably and indefensibly wrong. 568 00:09:57,590 --> 00:09:57,600 unbelievably and indefensibly wrong. 569 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,190 unbelievably and indefensibly wrong. It's there's no there's no fallacies 570 00:09:59,190 --> 00:09:59,200 It's there's no there's no fallacies 571 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,430 It's there's no there's no fallacies here. It is objectively incompatible 572 00:10:01,430 --> 00:10:01,440 here. It is objectively incompatible 573 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,030 here. It is objectively incompatible with reality and what we know to be 574 00:10:03,030 --> 00:10:03,040 with reality and what we know to be 575 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,310 with reality and what we know to be factually true scientifically. 576 00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:04,320 factually true scientifically. 577 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,269 factually true scientifically. >> Is the sun the same size as the earth? 578 00:10:07,269 --> 00:10:07,279 >> Is the sun the same size as the earth? 579 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:09,190 >> Is the sun the same size as the earth? >> Is the sun smaller? Oh, excuse me. Is 580 00:10:09,190 --> 00:10:09,200 >> Is the sun smaller? Oh, excuse me. Is 581 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,190 >> Is the sun smaller? Oh, excuse me. Is the sun the same size as the moon? And 582 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:11,200 the sun the same size as the moon? And 583 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,430 the sun the same size as the moon? And is the sun the you know smaller than the 584 00:10:13,430 --> 00:10:13,440 is the sun the you know smaller than the 585 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,590 is the sun the you know smaller than the earth? 586 00:10:15,590 --> 00:10:15,600 earth? 587 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:16,870 earth? >> No. But I don't 588 00:10:16,870 --> 00:10:16,880 >> No. But I don't 589 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,230 >> No. But I don't >> he knows it's not. I mean we don't need 590 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:18,240 >> he knows it's not. I mean we don't need 591 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,750 >> he knows it's not. I mean we don't need to go down the list again. The point is 592 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:19,760 to go down the list again. The point is 593 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,190 to go down the list again. The point is you acknowledge that all of that is 594 00:10:21,190 --> 00:10:21,200 you acknowledge that all of that is 595 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,269 you acknowledge that all of that is wrong. And so you tried to pivot to like 596 00:10:23,269 --> 00:10:23,279 wrong. And so you tried to pivot to like 597 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:25,990 wrong. And so you tried to pivot to like okay these are metaphors. So beyond the 598 00:10:25,990 --> 00:10:26,000 okay these are metaphors. So beyond the 599 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,030 okay these are metaphors. So beyond the question of like why would it be full of 600 00:10:29,030 --> 00:10:29,040 question of like why would it be full of 601 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,750 question of like why would it be full of the these misleading metaphors? Fine if 602 00:10:31,750 --> 00:10:31,760 the these misleading metaphors? Fine if 603 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,350 the these misleading metaphors? Fine if you want to go that way. But again I'm 604 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:33,360 you want to go that way. But again I'm 605 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,870 you want to go that way. But again I'm still waiting for you. You keep pivoting 606 00:10:34,870 --> 00:10:34,880 still waiting for you. You keep pivoting 607 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,710 still waiting for you. You keep pivoting to this oral tradition and I'm I'm 608 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:36,720 to this oral tradition and I'm I'm 609 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,790 to this oral tradition and I'm I'm asking now a third time. Give me an 610 00:10:38,790 --> 00:10:38,800 asking now a third time. Give me an 611 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,790 asking now a third time. Give me an example. What did he who said it? What 612 00:10:40,790 --> 00:10:40,800 example. What did he who said it? What 613 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,110 example. What did he who said it? What did they say? And how does it correct 614 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:43,120 did they say? And how does it correct 615 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,190 did they say? And how does it correct and uh correct an inaccuracy and and put 616 00:10:45,190 --> 00:10:45,200 and uh correct an inaccuracy and and put 617 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,269 and uh correct an inaccuracy and and put it in a in a in a more believable 618 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:47,279 it in a in a in a more believable 619 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:49,110 it in a in a in a more believable context? I I I'm still waiting for that 620 00:10:49,110 --> 00:10:49,120 context? I I I'm still waiting for that 621 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:49,750 context? I I I'm still waiting for that example. 622 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:49,760 example. 623 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,069 example. >> And I I want to I want to clarify what I 624 00:10:52,069 --> 00:10:52,079 >> And I I want to I want to clarify what I 625 00:10:52,079 --> 00:10:53,269 >> And I I want to I want to clarify what I said when I said you're begging the 626 00:10:53,269 --> 00:10:53,279 said when I said you're begging the 627 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:55,110 said when I said you're begging the question. What I meant is your 628 00:10:55,110 --> 00:10:55,120 question. What I meant is your 629 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,269 question. What I meant is your subjective according to your subjective 630 00:10:57,269 --> 00:10:57,279 subjective according to your subjective 631 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:58,949 subjective according to your subjective understanding of the text that you make 632 00:10:58,949 --> 00:10:58,959 understanding of the text that you make 633 00:10:58,959 --> 00:11:01,269 understanding of the text that you make based off of your own understanding. 634 00:11:01,269 --> 00:11:01,279 based off of your own understanding. 635 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:02,389 based off of your own understanding. You're saying that there's scientific 636 00:11:02,389 --> 00:11:02,399 You're saying that there's scientific 637 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:04,949 You're saying that there's scientific inaccuracy. But what how am I 638 00:11:04,949 --> 00:11:04,959 inaccuracy. But what how am I 639 00:11:04,959 --> 00:11:07,030 inaccuracy. But what how am I interpretive understanding of the 640 00:11:07,030 --> 00:11:07,040 interpretive understanding of the 641 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,509 interpretive understanding of the demonstrably false statements that we 642 00:11:09,509 --> 00:11:09,519 demonstrably false statements that we 643 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:12,069 demonstrably false statements that we can show are factually false because of 644 00:11:12,069 --> 00:11:12,079 can show are factually false because of 645 00:11:12,079 --> 00:11:15,670 can show are factually false because of the facts the sun and the moon are not 646 00:11:15,670 --> 00:11:15,680 the facts the sun and the moon are not 647 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:19,030 the facts the sun and the moon are not the same size. The sun is not the sun is 648 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:19,040 the same size. The sun is not the sun is 649 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,870 the same size. The sun is not the sun is not smaller than the earth. These are 650 00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:20,880 not smaller than the earth. These are 651 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,670 not smaller than the earth. These are >> if someone says this car is red. Do I 652 00:11:23,670 --> 00:11:23,680 >> if someone says this car is red. Do I 653 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:25,269 >> if someone says this car is red. Do I have a subjective interpretation of 654 00:11:25,269 --> 00:11:25,279 have a subjective interpretation of 655 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:27,110 have a subjective interpretation of that? No. It says the car is red. That's 656 00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:27,120 that? No. It says the car is red. That's 657 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,790 that? No. It says the car is red. That's they meant the car is red. So, you can 658 00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:28,800 they meant the car is red. So, you can 659 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,790 they meant the car is red. So, you can say it's a metaphor and then and then 660 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:30,800 say it's a metaphor and then and then 661 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,470 say it's a metaphor and then and then point to something else that explains 662 00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:32,480 point to something else that explains 663 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,790 point to something else that explains how the car is red. It didn't really 664 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:34,800 how the car is red. It didn't really 665 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,710 how the car is red. It didn't really mean the car is red. But it's not my 666 00:11:36,710 --> 00:11:36,720 mean the car is red. But it's not my 667 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,230 mean the car is red. But it's not my subjective interpretation when I say, 668 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:38,240 subjective interpretation when I say, 669 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,550 subjective interpretation when I say, "Oh, he said the car is red." That's so 670 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:40,560 "Oh, he said the car is red." That's so 671 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,389 "Oh, he said the car is red." That's so he means the car is red. Right? There's 672 00:11:42,389 --> 00:11:42,399 he means the car is red. Right? There's 673 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:43,829 he means the car is red. Right? There's nothing to interpret there. when you 674 00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:43,839 nothing to interpret there. when you 675 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:45,670 nothing to interpret there. when you when you're dealing with a text like the 676 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:45,680 when you're dealing with a text like the 677 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:48,150 when you're dealing with a text like the Bible which commonly uses like a poetic 678 00:11:48,150 --> 00:11:48,160 Bible which commonly uses like a poetic 679 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,630 Bible which commonly uses like a poetic language like in Mika uh Micah 5:7 which 680 00:11:50,630 --> 00:11:50,640 language like in Mika uh Micah 5:7 which 681 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,190 language like in Mika uh Micah 5:7 which says that the the remnant of Jacob will 682 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:53,200 says that the the remnant of Jacob will 683 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,829 says that the the remnant of Jacob will be like a lion among the uh you know 684 00:11:55,829 --> 00:11:55,839 be like a lion among the uh you know 685 00:11:55,839 --> 00:11:57,509 be like a lion among the uh you know among the beasts of the forest meaning 686 00:11:57,509 --> 00:11:57,519 among the beasts of the forest meaning 687 00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:59,110 among the beasts of the forest meaning we're going to be consumed by all the 688 00:11:59,110 --> 00:11:59,120 we're going to be consumed by all the 689 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,829 we're going to be consumed by all the nations. So yeah you can't take a 690 00:12:01,829 --> 00:12:01,839 nations. So yeah you can't take a 691 00:12:01,839 --> 00:12:04,949 nations. So yeah you can't take a objective understanding of the like you 692 00:12:04,949 --> 00:12:04,959 objective understanding of the like you 693 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:06,389 objective understanding of the like you yourself can't can only make it a 694 00:12:06,389 --> 00:12:06,399 yourself can't can only make it a 695 00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:07,590 yourself can't can only make it a subjective understanding of the text 696 00:12:07,590 --> 00:12:07,600 subjective understanding of the text 697 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,269 subjective understanding of the text because you don't have any traditions of 698 00:12:09,269 --> 00:12:09,279 because you don't have any traditions of 699 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:12,150 because you don't have any traditions of the people that wrote it. Now again, why 700 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:12,160 the people that wrote it. Now again, why 701 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,230 the people that wrote it. Now again, why why ought I take your understanding that 702 00:12:14,230 --> 00:12:14,240 why ought I take your understanding that 703 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,910 why ought I take your understanding that when the Torah says that the world by 704 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:15,920 when the Torah says that the world by 705 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,230 when the Torah says that the world by the way uh the the Talmud and I think 706 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:18,240 the way uh the the Talmud and I think 707 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,150 the way uh the the Talmud and I think Sanhedrin says that the six day thing is 708 00:12:20,150 --> 00:12:20,160 Sanhedrin says that the six day thing is 709 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,030 Sanhedrin says that the six day thing is not literal and this comes before the 710 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:23,040 not literal and this comes before the 711 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,030 not literal and this comes before the understanding that the world was uh was 712 00:12:25,030 --> 00:12:25,040 understanding that the world was uh was 713 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,110 understanding that the world was uh was much older. So this is you know it's 714 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:27,120 much older. So this is you know it's 715 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,550 much older. So this is you know it's significant because it's written in 716 00:12:28,550 --> 00:12:28,560 significant because it's written in 717 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:29,910 significant because it's written in >> Yeah. It was written by people who had 718 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:29,920 >> Yeah. It was written by people who had 719 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,670 >> Yeah. It was written by people who had no idea about anything at all. 720 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:33,680 no idea about anything at all. 721 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,829 no idea about anything at all. >> So where does the oral tradition come in 722 00:12:35,829 --> 00:12:35,839 >> So where does the oral tradition come in 723 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:37,990 >> So where does the oral tradition come in that salvages it? Huh? 724 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:38,000 that salvages it? Huh? 725 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,269 that salvages it? Huh? >> And that's why they got everything 726 00:12:39,269 --> 00:12:39,279 >> And that's why they got everything 727 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:41,110 >> And that's why they got everything wrong. 728 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:41,120 wrong. 729 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,629 wrong. Well, yeah, but they're religious Jews 730 00:12:42,629 --> 00:12:42,639 Well, yeah, but they're religious Jews 731 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:44,310 Well, yeah, but they're religious Jews in the sixth century who have no idea 732 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:44,320 in the sixth century who have no idea 733 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,829 in the sixth century who have no idea how old the earth is, and they're 734 00:12:45,829 --> 00:12:45,839 how old the earth is, and they're 735 00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:47,350 how old the earth is, and they're writing that it's not meant to be taken 736 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:47,360 writing that it's not meant to be taken 737 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,269 writing that it's not meant to be taken literal. So, that show, you know, that 738 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:49,279 literal. So, that show, you know, that 739 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:51,350 literal. So, that show, you know, that clues you in. They're they have no 740 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:51,360 clues you in. They're they have no 741 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,470 clues you in. They're they have no reason not to believe 742 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:52,480 reason not to believe 743 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,389 reason not to believe >> clues you in started this 744 00:12:54,389 --> 00:12:54,399 >> clues you in started this 745 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:56,550 >> clues you in started this >> Torah is wrong 746 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:56,560 >> Torah is wrong 747 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:58,069 >> Torah is wrong >> about everything that the written Torah 748 00:12:58,069 --> 00:12:58,079 >> about everything that the written Torah 749 00:12:58,079 --> 00:12:59,990 >> about everything that the written Torah is wrong about because we I don't know 750 00:12:59,990 --> 00:13:00,000 is wrong about because we I don't know 751 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,750 is wrong about because we I don't know how well Dave knows this but I mean I 752 00:13:01,750 --> 00:13:01,760 how well Dave knows this but I mean I 753 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,190 how well Dave knows this but I mean I can I can talk to you for a long time 754 00:13:03,190 --> 00:13:03,200 can I can talk to you for a long time 755 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,870 can I can talk to you for a long time about the things the written Torah got 756 00:13:04,870 --> 00:13:04,880 about the things the written Torah got 757 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,350 about the things the written Torah got wrong where he was asking Dave was 758 00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:07,360 wrong where he was asking Dave was 759 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,910 wrong where he was asking Dave was asking you for to show somewhere where 760 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:09,920 asking you for to show somewhere where 761 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,150 asking you for to show somewhere where the or where we can verify that the oral 762 00:13:12,150 --> 00:13:12,160 the or where we can verify that the oral 763 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,269 the or where we can verify that the oral Torah whatever the [\h__\h] that means 764 00:13:15,269 --> 00:13:15,279 Torah whatever the [\h__\h] that means 765 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:18,389 Torah whatever the [\h__\h] that means corrects an error in the written Torah. 766 00:13:18,389 --> 00:13:18,399 corrects an error in the written Torah. 767 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:20,230 corrects an error in the written Torah. Are you just going to give me where a 768 00:13:20,230 --> 00:13:20,240 Are you just going to give me where a 769 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,190 Are you just going to give me where a relatively recent rabbi said something 770 00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:23,200 relatively recent rabbi said something 771 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,750 relatively recent rabbi said something to try to correct an earlier error? 772 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:25,760 to try to correct an earlier error? 773 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,990 to try to correct an earlier error? >> Remember, we're trying to get from an 774 00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:28,000 >> Remember, we're trying to get from an 775 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,430 >> Remember, we're trying to get from an acknowledgement that everything in the 776 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:29,440 acknowledgement that everything in the 777 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,910 acknowledgement that everything in the in the written Torah is wrong to Judaism 778 00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:31,920 in the written Torah is wrong to Judaism 779 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,590 in the written Torah is wrong to Judaism is true. That's what you started this 780 00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:33,600 is true. That's what you started this 781 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,030 is true. That's what you started this with. So, we're we're on the same page 782 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:35,040 with. So, we're we're on the same page 783 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,550 with. So, we're we're on the same page that everything is wrong in there. So, 784 00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:36,560 that everything is wrong in there. So, 785 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:38,389 that everything is wrong in there. So, now we're waiting for you to get us from 786 00:13:38,389 --> 00:13:38,399 now we're waiting for you to get us from 787 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:40,230 now we're waiting for you to get us from the everything is wrong to the Judaism 788 00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:40,240 the everything is wrong to the Judaism 789 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,829 the everything is wrong to the Judaism is true. And I'm still waiting for 790 00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:41,839 is true. And I'm still waiting for 791 00:13:41,839 --> 00:13:42,150 is true. And I'm still waiting for something. 792 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:42,160 something. 793 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,910 something. >> According to your subjective 794 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:43,920 >> According to your subjective 795 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,150 >> According to your subjective understanding, it's wrong. I agree. But 796 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:46,160 understanding, it's wrong. I agree. But 797 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,389 understanding, it's wrong. I agree. But you don't know how to understand the 798 00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:48,399 you don't know how to understand the 799 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:51,269 you don't know how to understand the Yours is the subjective understanding. 800 00:13:51,269 --> 00:13:51,279 Yours is the subjective understanding. 801 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:55,430 Yours is the subjective understanding. Ours is the objective. Quit accusing us 802 00:13:55,430 --> 00:13:55,440 Ours is the objective. Quit accusing us 803 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,550 Ours is the objective. Quit accusing us of having your problem. You have your 804 00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:58,560 of having your problem. You have your 805 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:00,949 of having your problem. You have your problem. You deal with your problem. We 806 00:14:00,949 --> 00:14:00,959 problem. You deal with your problem. We 807 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:03,990 problem. You deal with your problem. We don't have your problem. Our position is 808 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:04,000 don't have your problem. Our position is 809 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,670 don't have your problem. Our position is our 810 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:05,680 our 811 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:08,310 our quit making the false accusations. 812 00:14:08,310 --> 00:14:08,320 quit making the false accusations. 813 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,550 quit making the false accusations. >> If you want to have communication, quit 814 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:10,560 >> If you want to have communication, quit 815 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,990 >> If you want to have communication, quit projecting your own [\h__\h] 816 00:14:13,990 --> 00:14:14,000 projecting your own [\h__\h] 817 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,069 projecting your own [\h__\h] But why should I grant your 818 00:14:16,069 --> 00:14:16,079 But why should I grant your 819 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:17,990 But why should I grant your understanding is objective? You haven't 820 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:18,000 understanding is objective? You haven't 821 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,750 understanding is objective? You haven't given me a good reason to. I 822 00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:19,760 given me a good reason to. I 823 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,069 given me a good reason to. I >> I did give you several good reasons. 824 00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:22,079 >> I did give you several good reasons. 825 00:14:22,079 --> 00:14:24,949 >> I did give you several good reasons. Yes. Things we can objectively verify 826 00:14:24,949 --> 00:14:24,959 Yes. Things we can objectively verify 827 00:14:24,959 --> 00:14:26,949 Yes. Things we can objectively verify are not true in the Bible. This is not 828 00:14:26,949 --> 00:14:26,959 are not true in the Bible. This is not 829 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:29,269 are not true in the Bible. This is not my subjective understanding. 830 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:29,279 my subjective understanding. 831 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:30,870 my subjective understanding. >> The sun and the moon are lights that are 832 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:30,880 >> The sun and the moon are lights that are 833 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,629 >> The sun and the moon are lights that are this that they're the same size that the 834 00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:32,639 this that they're the same size that the 835 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:34,870 this that they're the same size that the stars are are are fixed in the 836 00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:34,880 stars are are are fixed in the 837 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,030 stars are are are fixed in the firmament. That there are windows in the 838 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:37,040 firmament. That there are windows in the 839 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,710 firmament. That there are windows in the firmament and water above where the 840 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:38,720 firmament and water above where the 841 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:39,910 firmament and water above where the firmament isn't. No, this 842 00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:39,920 firmament isn't. No, this 843 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,509 firmament isn't. No, this >> reading stuff literally is not a 844 00:14:41,509 --> 00:14:41,519 >> reading stuff literally is not a 845 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:43,430 >> reading stuff literally is not a subjective interpretation. It's just a 846 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:43,440 subjective interpretation. It's just a 847 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,269 subjective interpretation. It's just a reading it literally, right? So if you 848 00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:45,279 reading it literally, right? So if you 849 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:47,350 reading it literally, right? So if you want to say that that it's metaphorical 850 00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:47,360 want to say that that it's metaphorical 851 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,949 want to say that that it's metaphorical and you're admitting that it's just that 852 00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:48,959 and you're admitting that it's just that 853 00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:50,949 and you're admitting that it's just that they had no idea what anything was. 854 00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:50,959 they had no idea what anything was. 855 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:52,629 they had no idea what anything was. You've admitted that multiple times now. 856 00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:52,639 You've admitted that multiple times now. 857 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:53,910 You've admitted that multiple times now. Then you're agreeing that we're going 858 00:14:53,910 --> 00:14:53,920 Then you're agreeing that we're going 859 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,910 Then you're agreeing that we're going from having no idea. 860 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:55,920 from having no idea. 861 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,670 from having no idea. >> So how do we get from there to 862 00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:57,680 >> So how do we get from there to 863 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,949 >> So how do we get from there to >> objectively wrong? Our position is 864 00:15:00,949 --> 00:15:00,959 >> objectively wrong? Our position is 865 00:15:00,959 --> 00:15:03,030 >> objectively wrong? Our position is objective, not subjective. So quit 866 00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:03,040 objective, not subjective. So quit 867 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,430 objective, not subjective. So quit trying to paint us 868 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:05,440 trying to paint us 869 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,670 trying to paint us >> with with the brush of your own failure. 870 00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:07,680 >> with with the brush of your own failure. 871 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,269 >> with with the brush of your own failure. >> Okay. No, that because you are assuming 872 00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:11,279 >> Okay. No, that because you are assuming 873 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:13,030 >> Okay. No, that because you are assuming I I want to be very clear. Let me 874 00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:13,040 I I want to be very clear. Let me 875 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,790 I I want to be very clear. Let me clarify my argument. Okay. I 876 00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:14,800 clarify my argument. Okay. I 877 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,829 clarify my argument. Okay. I >> Yeah, you're going to tell me I'm 878 00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:15,839 >> Yeah, you're going to tell me I'm 879 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:18,069 >> Yeah, you're going to tell me I'm assuming something. So, yeah. Be very 880 00:15:18,069 --> 00:15:18,079 assuming something. So, yeah. Be very 881 00:15:18,079 --> 00:15:20,710 assuming something. So, yeah. Be very careful what you say next. 882 00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:20,720 careful what you say next. 883 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,910 careful what you say next. >> Okay. I think correct me if I'm wrong. 884 00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:23,920 >> Okay. I think correct me if I'm wrong. 885 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,430 >> Okay. I think correct me if I'm wrong. Okay. 886 00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:25,440 Okay. 887 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,470 Okay. You are looking at the Bible. You are 888 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:28,480 You are looking at the Bible. You are 889 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,470 You are looking at the Bible. You are looking at verses like the sun is the 890 00:15:30,470 --> 00:15:30,480 looking at verses like the sun is the 891 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,389 looking at verses like the sun is the same size of the as the earth and you're 892 00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:32,399 same size of the as the earth and you're 893 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:34,230 same size of the as the earth and you're saying how, you know, I'm taking it 894 00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:34,240 saying how, you know, I'm taking it 895 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,550 saying how, you know, I'm taking it literally. How can that be true? And I'm 896 00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:36,560 literally. How can that be true? And I'm 897 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:37,829 literally. How can that be true? And I'm I'm coming back to you. I'm saying 898 00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:37,839 I'm coming back to you. I'm saying 899 00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:39,350 I'm coming back to you. I'm saying that's not meant to be taken literally 900 00:15:39,350 --> 00:15:39,360 that's not meant to be taken literally 901 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,509 that's not meant to be taken literally and I have an understanding 902 00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:41,519 and I have an understanding 903 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,269 and I have an understanding >> if it says something that's factually 904 00:15:43,269 --> 00:15:43,279 >> if it says something that's factually 905 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:47,670 >> if it says something that's factually false. The defense of that is not that 906 00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:47,680 false. The defense of that is not that 907 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,110 false. The defense of that is not that it well you weren't supposed to read it 908 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:49,120 it well you weren't supposed to read it 909 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,350 it well you weren't supposed to read it as true. Yeah. People think you're 910 00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:51,360 as true. Yeah. People think you're 911 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,949 as true. Yeah. People think you're supposed to read it as true. 912 00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:52,959 supposed to read it as true. 913 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:55,269 supposed to read it as true. >> So that's objectively false and people 914 00:15:55,269 --> 00:15:55,279 >> So that's objectively false and people 915 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:57,110 >> So that's objectively false and people are being misled by it. But now you want 916 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:57,120 are being misled by it. But now you want 917 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,949 are being misled by it. But now you want to say you want now you want to say that 918 00:15:58,949 --> 00:15:58,959 to say you want now you want to say that 919 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:00,949 to say you want now you want to say that your religion which is based on this 920 00:16:00,949 --> 00:16:00,959 your religion which is based on this 921 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:03,509 your religion which is based on this entirely fictitious document 922 00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:03,519 entirely fictitious document 923 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:07,189 entirely fictitious document >> is somehow vindicated by an oral Torah 924 00:16:07,189 --> 00:16:07,199 >> is somehow vindicated by an oral Torah 925 00:16:07,199 --> 00:16:09,030 >> is somehow vindicated by an oral Torah that we can't check. 926 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:09,040 that we can't check. 927 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:09,430 that we can't check. >> Right? 928 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:09,440 >> Right? 929 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,670 >> Right? >> What is the oral Torah? And I'm now 930 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:11,680 >> What is the oral Torah? And I'm now 931 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,069 >> What is the oral Torah? And I'm now siding with with Dave here completely. 932 00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:14,079 siding with with Dave here completely. 933 00:16:14,079 --> 00:16:17,670 siding with with Dave here completely. Give us an example that we can go 934 00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:17,680 Give us an example that we can go 935 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,310 Give us an example that we can go objectively verify the oral Torah. 936 00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:20,320 objectively verify the oral Torah. 937 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:20,949 objectively verify the oral Torah. Correct. 938 00:16:20,949 --> 00:16:20,959 Correct. 939 00:16:20,959 --> 00:16:23,350 Correct. >> What does the oral thing say about the 940 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:23,360 >> What does the oral thing say about the 941 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,269 >> What does the oral thing say about the size of the sun and the moon? How does 942 00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:25,279 size of the sun and the moon? How does 943 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:27,910 size of the sun and the moon? How does it justify the objectively erroneous 944 00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:27,920 it justify the objectively erroneous 945 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,470 it justify the objectively erroneous thing in the written tradition? Does it 946 00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:30,480 thing in the written tradition? Does it 947 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,550 thing in the written tradition? Does it say anything? Does it does it help us 948 00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:32,560 say anything? Does it does it help us 949 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,350 say anything? Does it does it help us out there? 950 00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:33,360 out there? 951 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,310 out there? >> Huh? 952 00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:34,320 >> Huh? 953 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,990 >> Huh? >> Yeah. So, I I'll give you an example 954 00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:36,000 >> Yeah. So, I I'll give you an example 955 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,990 >> Yeah. So, I I'll give you an example that you're uh you you'll have to look 956 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:38,000 that you're uh you you'll have to look 957 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,509 that you're uh you you'll have to look it up. I apologize. I can't quote the 958 00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:39,519 it up. I apologize. I can't quote the 959 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:40,870 it up. I apologize. I can't quote the original source off the top of my head. 960 00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:40,880 original source off the top of my head. 961 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,430 original source off the top of my head. The the Talma Yurushami says that the 962 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:43,440 The the Talma Yurushami says that the 963 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,870 The the Talma Yurushami says that the the earth is uh shaped like a ball. You 964 00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:46,880 the earth is uh shaped like a ball. You 965 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,629 the earth is uh shaped like a ball. You can look that up right now. It'll this 966 00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:48,639 can look that up right now. It'll this 967 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:50,470 can look that up right now. It'll this is in this is written by people in the 968 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:50,480 is in this is written by people in the 969 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,150 is in this is written by people in the fourth or third century. So, it's 970 00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:52,160 fourth or third century. So, it's 971 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,509 fourth or third century. So, it's significant 972 00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:53,519 significant 973 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:55,590 significant >> because The earth was established to be 974 00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:55,600 >> because The earth was established to be 975 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,069 >> because The earth was established to be a sphere in the 2n century BC. 976 00:17:00,069 --> 00:17:00,079 a sphere in the 2n century BC. 977 00:17:00,079 --> 00:17:02,790 a sphere in the 2n century BC. And you're now going six centuries after 978 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:02,800 And you're now going six centuries after 979 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,110 And you're now going six centuries after that to say that 600 years after science 980 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:07,120 that to say that 600 years after science 981 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:09,590 that to say that 600 years after science verified that the earth is spherical 982 00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:09,600 verified that the earth is spherical 983 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,630 verified that the earth is spherical that some rabbi somewhere said, "Oh, our 984 00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:12,640 that some rabbi somewhere said, "Oh, our 985 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,390 that some rabbi somewhere said, "Oh, our ancient document was totally [\h__\h] 986 00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:14,400 ancient document was totally [\h__\h] 987 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,750 ancient document was totally [\h__\h] wrong." 988 00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:15,760 wrong." 989 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,069 wrong." >> So, let me just say, "Yeah, I was wrong 990 00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:18,079 >> So, let me just say, "Yeah, I was wrong 991 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,630 >> So, let me just say, "Yeah, I was wrong and it's really a sphere." That's that's 992 00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:20,640 and it's really a sphere." That's that's 993 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:21,189 and it's really a sphere." That's that's your argument. 994 00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:21,199 your argument. 995 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:23,110 your argument. >> Yeah. Again. 996 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:23,120 >> Yeah. Again. 997 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:25,909 >> Yeah. Again. Again. So I'm if you're internally 998 00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:25,919 Again. So I'm if you're internally 999 00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:27,750 Again. So I'm if you're internally critiquing my beliefs, 1000 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:27,760 critiquing my beliefs, 1001 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,190 critiquing my beliefs, >> how am I internally critiquing? 1002 00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:31,200 >> how am I internally critiquing? 1003 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,870 >> how am I internally critiquing? >> Because you're saying that according to 1004 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:32,880 >> Because you're saying that according to 1005 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,470 >> Because you're saying that according to your understanding, this doesn't make 1006 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:34,480 your understanding, this doesn't make 1007 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,070 your understanding, this doesn't make sense. 1008 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:36,080 sense. 1009 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,590 sense. >> Well, what what is the what is the 1010 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:37,600 >> Well, what what is the what is the 1011 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,430 >> Well, what what is the what is the objective fact? When was the earth 1012 00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:39,440 objective fact? When was the earth 1013 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,150 objective fact? When was the earth verified to be spherical? 1014 00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:42,160 verified to be spherical? 1015 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,750 verified to be spherical? >> 2 century BCE. 1016 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:43,760 >> 2 century BCE. 1017 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,630 >> 2 century BCE. >> Eerosines. 1018 00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:46,640 >> Eerosines. 1019 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,390 >> Eerosines. >> A little before. Yeah. I mean classical 1020 00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:48,400 >> A little before. Yeah. I mean classical 1021 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,710 >> A little before. Yeah. I mean classical Greece at the at the at the at the very 1022 00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:50,720 Greece at the at the at the at the very 1023 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:51,430 Greece at the at the at the at the very least. 1024 00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:51,440 least. 1025 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,430 least. >> Yeah. at least by 1026 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:53,440 >> Yeah. at least by 1027 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,510 >> Yeah. at least by >> document in a documented way in class. 1028 00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:55,520 >> document in a documented way in class. 1029 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,390 >> document in a documented way in class. >> So now you're going six centuries after 1030 00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:58,400 >> So now you're going six centuries after 1031 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,630 >> So now you're going six centuries after that. 1032 00:18:00,630 --> 00:18:00,640 that. 1033 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,510 that. Do you see how it's not it's not not 1034 00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:03,520 Do you see how it's not it's not not 1035 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,029 Do you see how it's not it's not not impressive to that 600year-old news 1036 00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:07,039 impressive to that 600year-old news 1037 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:08,870 impressive to that 600year-old news somebody finally admits yeah it's a 1038 00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:08,880 somebody finally admits yeah it's a 1039 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,190 somebody finally admits yeah it's a sphere science proved that 600 years ago 1040 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:11,200 sphere science proved that 600 years ago 1041 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,950 sphere science proved that 600 years ago the Bible that was the Bible that was 1042 00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:12,960 the Bible that was the Bible that was 1043 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,110 the Bible that was the Bible that was written at about the same time is wrong. 1044 00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:17,120 written at about the same time is wrong. 1045 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:19,110 written at about the same time is wrong. >> Are you internally or externally 1046 00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:19,120 >> Are you internally or externally 1047 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:21,190 >> Are you internally or externally critiquing my beliefs? I'm using 1048 00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:21,200 critiquing my beliefs? I'm using 1049 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,430 critiquing my beliefs? I'm using objective fact, right? That things we 1050 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:23,440 objective fact, right? That things we 1051 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:24,870 objective fact, right? That things we can both verify. 1052 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:24,880 can both verify. 1053 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,830 can both verify. >> You're making a critique, right? 1054 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:27,840 >> You're making a critique, right? 1055 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,830 >> You're making a critique, right? >> How am I making a critique? These are 1056 00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:29,840 >> How am I making a critique? These are 1057 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,150 >> How am I making a critique? These are objectively verifiable facts that we're 1058 00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:32,160 objectively verifiable facts that we're 1059 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,350 objectively verifiable facts that we're talking about. You said you have a 1060 00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:35,360 talking about. You said you have a 1061 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:37,750 talking about. You said you have a written Torah and an oral Torah. The 1062 00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:37,760 written Torah and an oral Torah. The 1063 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,270 written Torah and an oral Torah. The written Torah is deadass wrong about 1064 00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:41,280 written Torah is deadass wrong about 1065 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,150 written Torah is deadass wrong about everything, but somehow the religion 1066 00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:44,160 everything, but somehow the religion 1067 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,830 everything, but somehow the religion based on it is completely true for 1068 00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:47,840 based on it is completely true for 1069 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,669 based on it is completely true for reasons that you refuse to provide. 1070 00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:51,679 reasons that you refuse to provide. 1071 00:18:51,679 --> 00:18:55,430 reasons that you refuse to provide. >> How can I make a critique any other way? 1072 00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:55,440 >> How can I make a critique any other way? 1073 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,669 >> How can I make a critique any other way? >> Okay. I I'm trying to So there are two 1074 00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:57,679 >> Okay. I I'm trying to So there are two 1075 00:18:57,679 --> 00:18:59,510 >> Okay. I I'm trying to So there are two You can make an external critique or an 1076 00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:59,520 You can make an external critique or an 1077 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,190 You can make an external critique or an internal critique. So are you affirming 1078 00:19:01,190 --> 00:19:01,200 internal critique. So are you affirming 1079 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,510 internal critique. So are you affirming my views or like are you saying that 1080 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:03,520 my views or like are you saying that 1081 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,350 my views or like are you saying that this doesn't work within your worldview? 1082 00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:05,360 this doesn't work within your worldview? 1083 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:07,270 this doesn't work within your worldview? This is contradicting itself. 1084 00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:07,280 This is contradicting itself. 1085 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,230 This is contradicting itself. saying that I don't understand. 1086 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:08,240 saying that I don't understand. 1087 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,630 saying that I don't understand. >> What do you think my world view is? 1088 00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:10,640 >> What do you think my world view is? 1089 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,549 >> What do you think my world view is? >> You're just 1090 00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:12,559 >> You're just 1091 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:14,150 >> You're just I don't want to be fooled. I My 1092 00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:14,160 I don't want to be fooled. I My 1093 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,350 I don't want to be fooled. I My worldview is that I don't want to be 1094 00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:15,360 worldview is that I don't want to be 1095 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:16,710 worldview is that I don't want to be fooled into believing anything that is 1096 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:16,720 fooled into believing anything that is 1097 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,353 fooled into believing anything that is not evidently true. 1098 00:19:19,353 --> 00:19:19,363 not evidently true. 1099 00:19:19,363 --> 00:19:19,750 not evidently true. [snorts] 1100 00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:19,760 [snorts] 1101 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,510 [snorts] >> Okay. Well, I mean I I just want to 1102 00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:21,520 >> Okay. Well, I mean I I just want to 1103 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,270 >> Okay. Well, I mean I I just want to point out I it's kind of up to me to 1104 00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:23,280 point out I it's kind of up to me to 1105 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,510 point out I it's kind of up to me to prove it to be true and not you to come 1106 00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:25,520 prove it to be true and not you to come 1107 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,909 prove it to be true and not you to come up like I I want to I I think you're 1108 00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:27,919 up like I I want to I I think you're 1109 00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:29,350 up like I I want to I I think you're being a little bit dishonest. I'm not 1110 00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:29,360 being a little bit dishonest. I'm not 1111 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:30,950 being a little bit dishonest. I'm not trying to to insult you, but 1112 00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:30,960 trying to to insult you, but 1113 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,789 trying to to insult you, but >> be very careful about the next thing you 1114 00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:32,799 >> be very careful about the next thing you 1115 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:33,510 >> be very careful about the next thing you say. 1116 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:33,520 say. 1117 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:33,990 say. >> Yeah. 1118 00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:34,000 >> Yeah. 1119 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,310 >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Like you're you're jumping 1120 00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:36,320 >> Okay. Okay. Like you're you're jumping 1121 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,950 >> Okay. Okay. Like you're you're jumping to this is the interpretation. This is 1122 00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:38,960 to this is the interpretation. This is 1123 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,950 to this is the interpretation. This is the inject objective interpretation of 1124 00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:40,960 the inject objective interpretation of 1125 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,630 the inject objective interpretation of the verse. This I'm going to take it as 1126 00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:42,640 the verse. This I'm going to take it as 1127 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:43,110 the verse. This I'm going to take it as literal. 1128 00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:43,120 literal. 1129 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:44,390 literal. >> We're just telling you what the [\h__\h] 1130 00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:44,400 >> We're just telling you what the [\h__\h] 1131 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,830 >> We're just telling you what the [\h__\h] thing says, dude. We're just telling you 1132 00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:45,840 thing says, dude. We're just telling you 1133 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,430 thing says, dude. We're just telling you the words that are in it and how they 1134 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:47,440 the words that are in it and how they 1135 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,909 the words that are in it and how they and how they're wrong. So if you offer 1136 00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:49,919 and how they're wrong. So if you offer 1137 00:19:49,919 --> 00:19:51,669 and how they're wrong. So if you offer an alternate interpretation from 1138 00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:51,679 an alternate interpretation from 1139 00:19:51,679 --> 00:19:53,590 an alternate interpretation from something else, 1140 00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:53,600 something else, 1141 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,669 something else, this is not just our opinion. This is 1142 00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:55,679 this is not just our opinion. This is 1143 00:19:55,679 --> 00:19:59,190 this is not just our opinion. This is [\h__\h] you can look up yourself to verify. 1144 00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:59,200 [\h__\h] you can look up yourself to verify. 1145 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,190 [\h__\h] you can look up yourself to verify. Objective, not subjective. Doesn't 1146 00:20:01,190 --> 00:20:01,200 Objective, not subjective. Doesn't 1147 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,190 Objective, not subjective. Doesn't matter what you feel about it. It says 1148 00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:03,200 matter what you feel about it. It says 1149 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,510 matter what you feel about it. It says what it says. The earth is objectively 1150 00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:05,520 what it says. The earth is objectively 1151 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,190 what it says. The earth is objectively round. Yes. I'm saying I'm saying your 1152 00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:09,200 round. Yes. I'm saying I'm saying your 1153 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,830 round. Yes. I'm saying I'm saying your understanding of the verse is sub is 1154 00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:11,840 understanding of the verse is sub is 1155 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,510 understanding of the verse is sub is subjective. It's based off of how you 1156 00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:13,520 subjective. It's based off of how you 1157 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,750 subjective. It's based off of how you read it and how you understand it. 1158 00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:15,760 read it and how you understand it. 1159 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,470 read it and how you understand it. >> I read it literally. Does it say the 1160 00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:18,480 >> I read it literally. Does it say the 1161 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,350 >> I read it literally. Does it say the thing or not? Is the statement that it's 1162 00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:21,360 thing or not? Is the statement that it's 1163 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,510 thing or not? Is the statement that it's making true or false? 1164 00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:23,520 making true or false? 1165 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,510 making true or false? >> Verifi objectively verifiable. 1166 00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:27,520 >> Verifi objectively verifiable. 1167 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,669 >> Verifi objectively verifiable. Is there a firmament with windows in it 1168 00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:29,679 Is there a firmament with windows in it 1169 00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:32,390 Is there a firmament with windows in it that lets the w the air the the rain in 1170 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:32,400 that lets the w the air the the rain in 1171 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,070 that lets the w the air the the rain in from the waters above the firm and and 1172 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:34,080 from the waters above the firm and and 1173 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,830 from the waters above the firm and and that the sun and the moon are inside the 1174 00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:35,840 that the sun and the moon are inside the 1175 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,669 that the sun and the moon are inside the firmament which means the rain comes 1176 00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:37,679 firmament which means the rain comes 1177 00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:40,149 firmament which means the rain comes from above the sun. 1178 00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:40,159 from above the sun. 1179 00:20:40,159 --> 00:20:41,909 from above the sun. >> Is any of that true? 1180 00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:41,919 >> Is any of that true? 1181 00:20:41,919 --> 00:20:43,350 >> Is any of that true? >> Literally I 1182 00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:43,360 >> Literally I 1183 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,190 >> Literally I >> the point is that if we're talking if 1184 00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:45,200 >> the point is that if we're talking if 1185 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,070 >> the point is that if we're talking if we're talking about the shape of the 1186 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:46,080 we're talking about the shape of the 1187 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,909 we're talking about the shape of the earth what we're trying to make you 1188 00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:47,919 earth what we're trying to make you 1189 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:49,909 earth what we're trying to make you understand is that when it was when the 1190 00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:49,919 understand is that when it was when the 1191 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:52,230 understand is that when it was when the Torah was written they didn't know that 1192 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:52,240 Torah was written they didn't know that 1193 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,390 Torah was written they didn't know that the earth was a sphere. So they didn't 1194 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:54,400 the earth was a sphere. So they didn't 1195 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,230 the earth was a sphere. So they didn't write that. They thought it was flat. 1196 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:56,240 write that. They thought it was flat. 1197 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,070 write that. They thought it was flat. And then hundreds and hundreds of years 1198 00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:58,080 And then hundreds and hundreds of years 1199 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,070 And then hundreds and hundreds of years later after it was firmly established 1200 00:21:00,070 --> 00:21:00,080 later after it was firmly established 1201 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,909 later after it was firmly established empirically that the earth is a sphere. 1202 00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:01,919 empirically that the earth is a sphere. 1203 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:04,470 empirically that the earth is a sphere. That's what you're going to to claim 1204 00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:04,480 That's what you're going to to claim 1205 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,470 That's what you're going to to claim some kind of oral tradition that makes 1206 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:06,480 some kind of oral tradition that makes 1207 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,870 some kind of oral tradition that makes Judaism true when it's just some people 1208 00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:08,880 Judaism true when it's just some people 1209 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,110 Judaism true when it's just some people who later on learned that the earth is a 1210 00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:11,120 who later on learned that the earth is a 1211 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:13,669 who later on learned that the earth is a sphere and said it out loud. And that 1212 00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:13,679 sphere and said it out loud. And that 1213 00:21:13,679 --> 00:21:15,669 sphere and said it out loud. And that doesn't in any way justify the validity 1214 00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:15,679 doesn't in any way justify the validity 1215 00:21:15,679 --> 00:21:17,909 doesn't in any way justify the validity of the Torah because it's still wrong. 1216 00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:17,919 of the Torah because it's still wrong. 1217 00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:19,590 of the Torah because it's still wrong. >> In order to say that you have to assume 1218 00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:19,600 >> In order to say that you have to assume 1219 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,270 >> In order to say that you have to assume that the verse is to be taken literal. 1220 00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:21,280 that the verse is to be taken literal. 1221 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,350 that the verse is to be taken literal. Can you give me one good reason why I 1222 00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:23,360 Can you give me one good reason why I 1223 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,190 Can you give me one good reason why I should take the verse as literal? So if 1224 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:25,200 should take the verse as literal? So if 1225 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,750 should take the verse as literal? So if we don't take the verses literally then 1226 00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:27,760 we don't take the verses literally then 1227 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,230 we don't take the verses literally then we don't take the verses. If it doesn't 1228 00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:30,240 we don't take the verses. If it doesn't 1229 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,830 we don't take the verses. If it doesn't mean what it says and it doesn't matter 1230 00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:31,840 mean what it says and it doesn't matter 1231 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,430 mean what it says and it doesn't matter what it says and it doesn't matter what 1232 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:33,440 what it says and it doesn't matter what 1233 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,750 what it says and it doesn't matter what it means then [\h__\h] it. Why do we even 1234 00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:35,760 it means then [\h__\h] it. Why do we even 1235 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,870 it means then [\h__\h] it. Why do we even have it? So how is the religion based on 1236 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:38,880 have it? So how is the religion based on 1237 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,750 have it? So how is the religion based on understand 1238 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:39,760 understand 1239 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,270 understand >> based on lies that you're not even 1240 00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:41,280 >> based on lies that you're not even 1241 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,789 >> based on lies that you're not even supposed to listen to? That's that's 1242 00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:42,799 supposed to listen to? That's that's 1243 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,590 supposed to listen to? That's that's we're tell disregard the entirety of the 1244 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:45,600 we're tell disregard the entirety of the 1245 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,310 we're tell disregard the entirety of the Bible. 1246 00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:46,320 Bible. 1247 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,070 Bible. >> How does that follow? How does that 1248 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:48,080 >> How does that follow? How does that 1249 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,630 >> How does that follow? How does that follow? You just told me that it doesn't 1250 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:50,640 follow? You just told me that it doesn't 1251 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,310 follow? You just told me that it doesn't mean what it says and it doesn't matter 1252 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:52,320 mean what it says and it doesn't matter 1253 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:58,070 mean what it says and it doesn't matter what it means because taken literally 1254 00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:58,080 what it means because taken literally 1255 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,310 what it means because taken literally an ad hoc justification. You can go back 1256 00:22:00,310 --> 00:22:00,320 an ad hoc justification. You can go back 1257 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,750 an ad hoc justification. You can go back and say it meant anything that you 1258 00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:01,760 and say it meant anything that you 1259 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,830 and say it meant anything that you wanted it to mean, right? It just you 1260 00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:03,840 wanted it to mean, right? It just you 1261 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,029 wanted it to mean, right? It just you can say, "Oh, well, I'm going to 1262 00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:05,039 can say, "Oh, well, I'm going to 1263 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:07,270 can say, "Oh, well, I'm going to interpret it to mean what we now know to 1264 00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:07,280 interpret it to mean what we now know to 1265 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,270 interpret it to mean what we now know to be true because I say so." 1266 00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:11,280 1267 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,510 >> Your I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dave. 1268 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:13,520 >> Your I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dave. 1269 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,270 >> Your I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dave. >> Your understanding is subjective. It's 1270 00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:17,280 >> Your understanding is subjective. It's 1271 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,270 >> Your understanding is subjective. It's based on your feelings. It's not based 1272 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:19,280 based on your feelings. It's not based 1273 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,830 based on your feelings. It's not based on the external facts. Based on the 1274 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:21,840 on the external facts. Based on the 1275 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,310 on the external facts. Based on the external facts because ours is objective 1276 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:24,320 external facts because ours is objective 1277 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,190 external facts because ours is objective and yours is subjective. Your problem, 1278 00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:27,200 and yours is subjective. Your problem, 1279 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,190 and yours is subjective. Your problem, not ours. 1280 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:29,200 not ours. 1281 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,270 not ours. >> I I reject that because if you're 1282 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:31,280 >> I I reject that because if you're 1283 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,789 >> I I reject that because if you're internally making a critique on my 1284 00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:32,799 internally making a critique on my 1285 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:33,750 internally making a critique on my religion, my 1286 00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:33,760 religion, my 1287 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,990 religion, my >> externally I'm doing it as externally as 1288 00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:36,000 >> externally I'm doing it as externally as 1289 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,470 >> externally I'm doing it as externally as I possibly can. I'm even putting it up 1290 00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:38,480 I possibly can. I'm even putting it up 1291 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,789 I possibly can. I'm even putting it up to peer review. I argue with believers 1292 00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:40,799 to peer review. I argue with believers 1293 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:43,029 to peer review. I argue with believers every goddamn day for the the last 1294 00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:43,039 every goddamn day for the the last 1295 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,830 every goddamn day for the the last couple decades. Okay? I'm being as 1296 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:45,840 couple decades. Okay? I'm being as 1297 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,830 couple decades. Okay? I'm being as external about this as I possibly can 1298 00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:47,840 external about this as I possibly can 1299 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,190 external about this as I possibly can be. You are finding out now an internal 1300 00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:51,200 be. You are finding out now an internal 1301 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,110 be. You are finding out now an internal pain somewhere around the colon area 1302 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:53,120 pain somewhere around the colon area 1303 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:54,789 pain somewhere around the colon area when you realize how you how badly 1304 00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:54,799 when you realize how you how badly 1305 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,029 when you realize how you how badly you're doing at this. 1306 00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:57,039 you're doing at this. 1307 00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:58,630 you're doing at this. >> Can you concede that internally my 1308 00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:58,640 >> Can you concede that internally my 1309 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,149 >> Can you concede that internally my religion is consistent? 1310 00:23:00,149 --> 00:23:00,159 religion is consistent? 1311 00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:01,750 religion is consistent? >> No. 1312 00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:01,760 >> No. 1313 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,710 >> No. >> Not in any capacity. Not in any capacity 1314 00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:04,720 >> Not in any capacity. Not in any capacity 1315 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,149 >> Not in any capacity. Not in any capacity is your religion consistent. 1316 00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:06,159 is your religion consistent. 1317 00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:07,350 is your religion consistent. >> Can you give me one thing that isn't 1318 00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:07,360 >> Can you give me one thing that isn't 1319 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,029 >> Can you give me one thing that isn't consistent? 1320 00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:09,039 consistent? 1321 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,350 consistent? >> I think I already have given you several 1322 00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:11,360 >> I think I already have given you several 1323 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,630 >> I think I already have given you several >> done the list like a dozen times. can 1324 00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:14,640 >> done the list like a dozen times. can 1325 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,190 >> done the list like a dozen times. can add to the list. I've got an awful lot 1326 00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:17,200 add to the list. I've got an awful lot 1327 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,470 add to the list. I've got an awful lot of experience. We could talk about an 1328 00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:18,480 of experience. We could talk about an 1329 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,310 of experience. We could talk about an awful lot of things that are wrong with 1330 00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:20,320 awful lot of things that are wrong with 1331 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,630 awful lot of things that are wrong with your religion. Do you want to just widen 1332 00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:22,640 your religion. Do you want to just widen 1333 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,470 your religion. Do you want to just widen the gamut and do everything wrong with 1334 00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:24,480 the gamut and do everything wrong with 1335 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,029 the gamut and do everything wrong with Judaism or can you answer Dave's 1336 00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:27,039 Judaism or can you answer Dave's 1337 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:28,710 Judaism or can you answer Dave's question 1338 00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:28,720 question 1339 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,510 question >> to show you show him something you got 1340 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:31,520 >> to show you show him something you got 1341 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,230 >> to show you show him something you got right? 1342 00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:32,240 right? 1343 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,470 right? >> Look, here's let's let's make it nice 1344 00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:34,480 >> Look, here's let's let's make it nice 1345 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,990 >> Look, here's let's let's make it nice and simple. Let's make it nice and 1346 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:36,000 and simple. Let's make it nice and 1347 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,590 and simple. Let's make it nice and simple so that we don't have we can 1348 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:37,600 simple so that we don't have we can 1349 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,310 simple so that we don't have we can let's use an analogy here. I wrote down 1350 00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:40,320 let's use an analogy here. I wrote down 1351 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,830 let's use an analogy here. I wrote down in a book my car is red. And then we 1352 00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:43,840 in a book my car is red. And then we 1353 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,590 in a book my car is red. And then we find out later that no, it's not. It's 1354 00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:45,600 find out later that no, it's not. It's 1355 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,590 find out later that no, it's not. It's actually blue. And you're trying to 1356 00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:47,600 actually blue. And you're trying to 1357 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,029 actually blue. And you're trying to argue that that the the the book where I 1358 00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:51,039 argue that that the the the book where I 1359 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:54,070 argue that that the the the book where I wrote the my car is red is true. It's 1360 00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:54,080 wrote the my car is red is true. It's 1361 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,230 wrote the my car is red is true. It's true. Well, that's a thing that's wrong. 1362 00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:56,240 true. Well, that's a thing that's wrong. 1363 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,070 true. Well, that's a thing that's wrong. So, you can argue, well, we don't want 1364 00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:58,080 So, you can argue, well, we don't want 1365 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,789 So, you can argue, well, we don't want to interpret my car is red literally. It 1366 00:24:00,789 --> 00:24:00,799 to interpret my car is red literally. It 1367 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,029 to interpret my car is red literally. It was a metaphor. He actually meant blue. 1368 00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:03,039 was a metaphor. He actually meant blue. 1369 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,350 was a metaphor. He actually meant blue. Um, and so we have this they have this 1370 00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:05,360 Um, and so we have this they have this 1371 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,190 Um, and so we have this they have this oral tradition from somebody who after 1372 00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:07,200 oral tradition from somebody who after 1373 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,990 oral tradition from somebody who after the fact saw the car and said, "Oh, no, 1374 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:10,000 the fact saw the car and said, "Oh, no, 1375 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,669 the fact saw the car and said, "Oh, no, the car is blue." And he meant the car 1376 00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:11,679 the car is blue." And he meant the car 1377 00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:14,149 the car is blue." And he meant the car is blue. Uh, but he wrote the car is red 1378 00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:14,159 is blue. Uh, but he wrote the car is red 1379 00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:15,750 is blue. Uh, but he wrote the car is red because it's it's poetic. It's more 1380 00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:15,760 because it's it's poetic. It's more 1381 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,390 because it's it's poetic. It's more poetic that way. Um, do you understand 1382 00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:18,400 poetic that way. Um, do you understand 1383 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,350 poetic that way. Um, do you understand how that doesn't make any [\h__\h] sense 1384 00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:21,360 how that doesn't make any [\h__\h] sense 1385 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,710 how that doesn't make any [\h__\h] sense >> again? So you I don't think you 1386 00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:24,720 >> again? So you I don't think you 1387 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,430 >> again? So you I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. Okay, 1388 00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:27,440 understand what I'm trying to say. Okay, 1389 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,310 understand what I'm trying to say. Okay, this first off 1390 00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:28,320 this first off 1391 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,750 this first off >> I made it as simple as humanly possible 1392 00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:29,760 >> I made it as simple as humanly possible 1393 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,310 >> I made it as simple as humanly possible for you, dude. You are you are equating 1394 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:32,320 for you, dude. You are you are equating 1395 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,310 for you, dude. You are you are equating the Bible with the statement the car is 1396 00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:34,320 the Bible with the statement the car is 1397 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,950 the Bible with the statement the car is red. So when the Bible speaks in poetic 1398 00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:36,960 red. So when the Bible speaks in poetic 1399 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,630 red. So when the Bible speaks in poetic language, I'm telling you it's not meant 1400 00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:38,640 language, I'm telling you it's not meant 1401 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,630 language, I'm telling you it's not meant to be taken literally. All right. 1402 00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:40,640 to be taken literally. All right. 1403 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,190 to be taken literally. All right. >> Okay. So don't take the car is red 1404 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:43,200 >> Okay. So don't take the car is red 1405 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,230 >> Okay. So don't take the car is red literally, but we're still arguing that 1406 00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:46,240 literally, but we're still arguing that 1407 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,950 literally, but we're still arguing that the book that contains the car is red is 1408 00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:48,960 the book that contains the car is red is 1409 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,590 the book that contains the car is red is true. So, what oral tradition or 1410 00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:51,600 true. So, what oral tradition or 1411 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,950 true. So, what oral tradition or whatever you're talking about are you 1412 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:52,960 whatever you're talking about are you 1413 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,750 whatever you're talking about are you going to uh justify retroactively that 1414 00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:55,760 going to uh justify retroactively that 1415 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,350 going to uh justify retroactively that the car is red is somehow true even 1416 00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:59,360 the car is red is somehow true even 1417 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:00,950 the car is red is somehow true even though we know it's blue, right? How are 1418 00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:00,960 though we know it's blue, right? How are 1419 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,549 though we know it's blue, right? How are we going to what's how are we going to 1420 00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:02,559 we going to what's how are we going to 1421 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,789 we going to what's how are we going to get a different interpretation that that 1422 00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:04,799 get a different interpretation that that 1423 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:06,789 get a different interpretation that that somehow still validates the religion 1424 00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:06,799 somehow still validates the religion 1425 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:08,470 somehow still validates the religion based on the book that says the car is 1426 00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:08,480 based on the book that says the car is 1427 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:08,870 based on the book that says the car is red? 1428 00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:08,880 red? 1429 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,630 red? >> And if you can't answer his question, 1430 00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:10,640 >> And if you can't answer his question, 1431 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,470 >> And if you can't answer his question, I've I've got another one that goes back 1432 00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:12,480 I've I've got another one that goes back 1433 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,950 I've I've got another one that goes back to the beginning of what you said. 1434 00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:14,960 to the beginning of what you said. 1435 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,269 to the beginning of what you said. So, so again this I would say you're 1436 00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:17,279 So, so again this I would say you're 1437 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:19,110 So, so again this I would say you're assuming the oral tradition came later. 1438 00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:19,120 assuming the oral tradition came later. 1439 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:20,710 assuming the oral tradition came later. Uh I again if you're internally 1440 00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:20,720 Uh I again if you're internally 1441 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,310 Uh I again if you're internally critiquing me, I would say it came from 1442 00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:22,320 critiquing me, I would say it came from 1443 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,470 critiquing me, I would say it came from Sinai. Um but if you want to give me an 1444 00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:24,480 Sinai. Um but if you want to give me an 1445 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,390 Sinai. Um but if you want to give me an example of something uh sorry if you 1446 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:26,400 example of something uh sorry if you 1447 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,549 example of something uh sorry if you want me to give you an example of 1448 00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:28,559 want me to give you an example of 1449 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:31,430 want me to give you an example of something uh that you know is godly that 1450 00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:31,440 something uh that you know is godly that 1451 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,110 something uh that you know is godly that that proves the oral tradition is from 1452 00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:33,120 that proves the oral tradition is from 1453 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:34,710 that proves the oral tradition is from God. I could you I could point you to 1454 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:34,720 God. I could you I could point you to 1455 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,590 God. I could you I could point you to like Nida 52 which says explicitly that 1456 00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:37,600 like Nida 52 which says explicitly that 1457 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,350 like Nida 52 which says explicitly that there's not one single fish on the 1458 00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:39,360 there's not one single fish on the 1459 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,390 there's not one single fish on the entire planet Earth that has scales and 1460 00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:42,400 entire planet Earth that has scales and 1461 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,149 entire planet Earth that has scales and not fins. I believe or maybe it's the 1462 00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:44,159 not fins. I believe or maybe it's the 1463 00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:45,830 not fins. I believe or maybe it's the other way around. This is scientifically 1464 00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:45,840 other way around. This is scientifically 1465 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,110 other way around. This is scientifically proven to be true. There is not one 1466 00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:47,120 proven to be true. There is not one 1467 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,789 proven to be true. There is not one single fish on the entire planet Earth 1468 00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:48,799 single fish on the entire planet Earth 1469 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,190 single fish on the entire planet Earth that you will find that has scales. I 1470 00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:51,200 that you will find that has scales. I 1471 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,830 that you will find that has scales. I want to make sure scales and not 1472 00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:53,840 want to make sure scales and not 1473 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,390 want to make sure scales and not >> So you think that people knowing a thing 1474 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:56,400 >> So you think that people knowing a thing 1475 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,269 >> So you think that people knowing a thing about what fish look like is a proof of 1476 00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:59,279 about what fish look like is a proof of 1477 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:00,870 about what fish look like is a proof of a an entire relationship. 1478 00:26:00,870 --> 00:26:00,880 a an entire relationship. 1479 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,149 a an entire relationship. >> Isn't that a reference to lobsters? 1480 00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:04,159 >> Isn't that a reference to lobsters? 1481 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:06,390 >> Isn't that a reference to lobsters? Isn't that a That's a reference to 1482 00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:06,400 Isn't that a That's a reference to 1483 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,789 Isn't that a That's a reference to crustaceians, right? 1484 00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:08,799 crustaceians, right? 1485 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,750 crustaceians, right? >> No. like you're you're forbidden to eat 1486 00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:11,760 >> No. like you're you're forbidden to eat 1487 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,830 >> No. like you're you're forbidden to eat the the the the the fish without fins 1488 00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:15,840 the the the the the fish without fins 1489 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,350 the the the the the fish without fins that have scales, which has been 1490 00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:17,360 that have scales, which has been 1491 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,669 that have scales, which has been popularly identified as crustaceian. So, 1492 00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:19,679 popularly identified as crustaceian. So, 1493 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,750 popularly identified as crustaceian. So, you can't eat shrimp scampy or lobster 1494 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:21,760 you can't eat shrimp scampy or lobster 1495 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,590 you can't eat shrimp scampy or lobster thermodor. 1496 00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:23,600 thermodor. 1497 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,549 thermodor. >> But also, every fish has to have scales 1498 00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:26,559 >> But also, every fish has to have scales 1499 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:27,909 >> But also, every fish has to have scales and fins. 1500 00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:27,919 and fins. 1501 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:29,269 and fins. >> But there, you know, that there are fish 1502 00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:29,279 >> But there, you know, that there are fish 1503 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:31,830 >> But there, you know, that there are fish without scales, right? 1504 00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:31,840 without scales, right? 1505 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,390 without scales, right? >> Lots of them. 1506 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:32,400 >> Lots of them. 1507 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,430 >> Lots of them. >> But there there's no fish there is no 1508 00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:35,440 >> But there there's no fish there is no 1509 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,789 >> But there there's no fish there is no fish that has scales but not fins. 1510 00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:38,799 fish that has scales but not fins. 1511 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,950 fish that has scales but not fins. Except for the crustaceians that I just 1512 00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:40,960 Except for the crustaceians that I just 1513 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,190 Except for the crustaceians that I just mentioned. So again, 1514 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:43,200 mentioned. So again, 1515 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,590 mentioned. So again, >> do not fins, 1516 00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:45,600 >> do not fins, 1517 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,070 >> do not fins, >> right? Crustaceians have the scales, but 1518 00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:48,080 >> right? Crustaceians have the scales, but 1519 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,630 >> right? Crustaceians have the scales, but not the fins. So regardless regardless, 1520 00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:52,640 not the fins. So regardless regardless, 1521 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,430 not the fins. So regardless regardless, we're still looking for something true. 1522 00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:55,440 we're still looking for something true. 1523 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,630 we're still looking for something true. We're still looking for something that 1524 00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:56,640 We're still looking for something that 1525 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,909 We're still looking for something that was supposed to be true about your 1526 00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:57,919 was supposed to be true about your 1527 00:26:57,919 --> 00:27:00,950 was supposed to be true about your religion. And you just quoted a you just 1528 00:27:00,950 --> 00:27:00,960 religion. And you just quoted a you just 1529 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,110 religion. And you just quoted a you just quoted part of the oral excuse me you 1530 00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:03,120 quoted part of the oral excuse me you 1531 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,549 quoted part of the oral excuse me you just quoted part of the written Torah 1532 00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:04,559 just quoted part of the written Torah 1533 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,390 just quoted part of the written Torah that you've already told us 1534 00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:06,400 that you've already told us 1535 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,950 that you've already told us >> cannot be taken seriously. It's supposed 1536 00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:08,960 >> cannot be taken seriously. It's supposed 1537 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,269 >> cannot be taken seriously. It's supposed to be read metaphorically. It doesn't 1538 00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:11,279 to be read metaphorically. It doesn't 1539 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,190 to be read metaphorically. It doesn't mean what it says and it doesn't matter 1540 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:13,200 mean what it says and it doesn't matter 1541 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,950 mean what it says and it doesn't matter what it says. It doesn't matter what it 1542 00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:14,960 what it says. It doesn't matter what it 1543 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,750 what it says. It doesn't matter what it means. 1544 00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:15,760 means. 1545 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,950 means. >> Yeah. 1546 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:18,960 1547 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,510 >> Yeah. 1548 00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:19,520 >> Yeah. 1549 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,549 >> Yeah. >> What is the oral and how the important 1550 00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:22,559 >> What is the oral and how the important 1551 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,710 >> What is the oral and how the important this important part the important part 1552 00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:24,720 this important part the important part 1553 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,269 this important part the important part this is the important part. How do we 1554 00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:27,279 this is the important part. How do we 1555 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:30,310 this is the important part. How do we verify that your oral Torah is true? 1556 00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:30,320 verify that your oral Torah is true? 1557 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,590 verify that your oral Torah is true? Because you said at the beginning 1558 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:31,600 Because you said at the beginning 1559 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,510 Because you said at the beginning something that I know you cannot defend 1560 00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:33,520 something that I know you cannot defend 1561 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,510 something that I know you cannot defend and I think you know it too. You're 1562 00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:35,520 and I think you know it too. You're 1563 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,430 and I think you know it too. You're calling me dishonest but you know this 1564 00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:37,440 calling me dishonest but you know this 1565 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,990 calling me dishonest but you know this too. You said you had evidence that 1566 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:40,000 too. You said you had evidence that 1567 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,630 too. You said you had evidence that Judaism is true. No you don't. 1568 00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:44,640 Judaism is true. No you don't. 1569 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,390 Judaism is true. No you don't. >> Well I mean you started I mean sure I 1570 00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:46,400 >> Well I mean you started I mean sure I 1571 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,669 >> Well I mean you started I mean sure I could point to like arguments the 1572 00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:47,679 could point to like arguments the 1573 00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:49,190 could point to like arguments the arguments from prophecy. I could point 1574 00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:49,200 arguments from prophecy. I could point 1575 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,710 arguments from prophecy. I could point >> but you don't have evidence do you? They 1576 00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:52,720 >> but you don't have evidence do you? They 1577 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,630 >> but you don't have evidence do you? They always go to arguments instead of 1578 00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:54,640 always go to arguments instead of 1579 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,149 always go to arguments instead of evidence and then the arguments are 1580 00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:56,159 evidence and then the arguments are 1581 00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:57,990 evidence and then the arguments are never logically valid. 1582 00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:58,000 never logically valid. 1583 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,350 never logically valid. >> I'm asking for evidence. So yeah, 1584 00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:01,360 >> I'm asking for evidence. So yeah, 1585 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:02,070 >> I'm asking for evidence. So yeah, evidence is 1586 00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:02,080 evidence is 1587 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,990 evidence is >> I'm not asking for logically facious 1588 00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:04,000 >> I'm not asking for logically facious 1589 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,430 >> I'm not asking for logically facious arguments. 1590 00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:05,440 arguments. 1591 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,750 arguments. >> I asked for evidence. 1592 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:07,760 >> I asked for evidence. 1593 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,430 >> I asked for evidence. You said you had evidence, not 1594 00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:11,440 You said you had evidence, not 1595 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,710 You said you had evidence, not >> evidence makes something more likely to 1596 00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:12,720 >> evidence makes something more likely to 1597 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,470 >> evidence makes something more likely to be true. 1598 00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:14,480 be true. 1599 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,549 be true. Evidence is a fact that is positively 1600 00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:16,559 Evidence is a fact that is positively 1601 00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,389 Evidence is a fact that is positively indicative of and/or exclusively 1602 00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:18,399 indicative of and/or exclusively 1603 00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:20,389 indicative of and/or exclusively concordant with one available position 1604 00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:20,399 concordant with one available position 1605 00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:23,990 concordant with one available position or hypothesis over any other. 1606 00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:24,000 or hypothesis over any other. 1607 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,590 or hypothesis over any other. >> Okay. So would you agree that 1608 00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:27,600 >> Okay. So would you agree that 1609 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,669 >> Okay. So would you agree that >> would you agree that if I could provide 1610 00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:29,679 >> would you agree that if I could provide 1611 00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:32,389 >> would you agree that if I could provide something that makes my position more 1612 00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:32,399 something that makes my position more 1613 00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:35,029 something that makes my position more likely to be true, it's evidence, right? 1614 00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:35,039 likely to be true, it's evidence, right? 1615 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:36,870 likely to be true, it's evidence, right? >> If it's a fact, if it's something we can 1616 00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:36,880 >> If it's a fact, if it's something we can 1617 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,029 >> If it's a fact, if it's something we can verify to be true, can you show me 1618 00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:39,039 verify to be true, can you show me 1619 00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,430 verify to be true, can you show me anything? If can you anything that we 1620 00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:41,440 anything? If can you anything that we 1621 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,990 anything? If can you anything that we can objectively 1622 00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:44,000 can objectively 1623 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,149 can objectively just look it up and verify that it is 1624 00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:46,159 just look it up and verify that it is 1625 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:49,669 just look it up and verify that it is true that is also supportive of your 1626 00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:49,679 true that is also supportive of your 1627 00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:54,789 true that is also supportive of your position over any alternate possibility? 1628 00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:54,799 position over any alternate possibility? 1629 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,110 position over any alternate possibility? >> Is it objectively true that the the Jews 1630 00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:57,120 >> Is it objectively true that the the Jews 1631 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,909 >> Is it objectively true that the the Jews in 70 AD were scattered throughout the 1632 00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:59,919 in 70 AD were scattered throughout the 1633 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:01,430 in 70 AD were scattered throughout the lands? 1634 00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:01,440 lands? 1635 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,909 lands? >> Is this something that we can just look 1636 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:03,919 >> Is this something that we can just look 1637 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:06,230 >> Is this something that we can just look up and find out? 1638 00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:06,240 up and find out? 1639 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,510 up and find out? >> Yes, 100%. 1640 00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:07,520 >> Yes, 100%. 1641 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,789 >> Yes, 100%. >> Okay. You understand that? That's what 1642 00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:08,799 >> Okay. You understand that? That's what 1643 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:09,830 >> Okay. You understand that? That's what objective land. What are you talking 1644 00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:09,840 objective land. What are you talking 1645 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:09,990 objective land. What are you talking about? 1646 00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:10,000 about? 1647 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,669 about? >> We can look at regardless how we feel 1648 00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:11,679 >> We can look at regardless how we feel 1649 00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:12,630 >> We can look at regardless how we feel about it. 1650 00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:12,640 about it. 1651 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,870 about it. >> We can check the facts and find out. 1652 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:14,880 >> We can check the facts and find out. 1653 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,590 >> We can check the facts and find out. Okay. 1654 00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:15,600 Okay. 1655 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,750 Okay. >> 100%. 100%. 1656 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:17,760 >> 100%. 100%. 1657 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,990 >> 100%. 100%. >> It's a very vague claim. 1658 00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:20,000 >> It's a very vague claim. 1659 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,630 >> It's a very vague claim. >> Yeah. 1660 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:20,640 >> Yeah. 1661 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,710 >> Yeah. >> Look up Jewish diaspora. Yeah, you can 1662 00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:22,720 >> Look up Jewish diaspora. Yeah, you can 1663 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,669 >> Look up Jewish diaspora. Yeah, you can do that. 1664 00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:23,679 do that. 1665 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:23,909 do that. >> Okay. 1666 00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:23,919 >> Okay. 1667 00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:27,830 >> Okay. >> So, so people went places. 1668 00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:27,840 >> So, so people went places. 1669 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,549 >> So, so people went places. >> That's the claim. 1670 00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:28,559 >> That's the claim. 1671 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,230 >> That's the claim. >> Yeah. Yeah. 1672 00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:30,240 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1673 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,909 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Vikings went places, too. But that 1674 00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:31,919 >> Vikings went places, too. But that 1675 00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:33,990 >> Vikings went places, too. But that doesn't prove Odin. As a matter of fact, 1676 00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:34,000 doesn't prove Odin. As a matter of fact, 1677 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,510 doesn't prove Odin. As a matter of fact, it's an interesting 1678 00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:35,520 it's an interesting 1679 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,549 it's an interesting >> I have a genealogy. My my family my my 1680 00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:38,559 >> I have a genealogy. My my family my my 1681 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,710 >> I have a genealogy. My my family my my immediate family is Mormon, but my my 1682 00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:40,720 immediate family is Mormon, but my my 1683 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,870 immediate family is Mormon, but my my Greek, you know, my ancient family was 1684 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:42,880 Greek, you know, my ancient family was 1685 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,990 Greek, you know, my ancient family was Nordic. And in our genealogy, you know, 1686 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:46,000 Nordic. And in our genealogy, you know, 1687 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,149 Nordic. And in our genealogy, you know, Mormons do genealogies. I actually have 1688 00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:50,159 Mormons do genealogies. I actually have 1689 00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:53,430 Mormons do genealogies. I actually have documents recording great ancestry in 1690 00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:53,440 documents recording great ancestry in 1691 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,190 documents recording great ancestry in the second century from with Odin and 1692 00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:57,200 the second century from with Odin and 1693 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,909 the second century from with Odin and Freya of Asgard in my genealogy. 1694 00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:01,919 Freya of Asgard in my genealogy. 1695 00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,310 Freya of Asgard in my genealogy. >> Not even kidding. 1696 00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:04,320 >> Not even kidding. 1697 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,389 >> Not even kidding. >> Could I could I finish my argument? 1698 00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:06,399 >> Could I could I finish my argument? 1699 00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:09,510 >> Could I could I finish my argument? Okay. Could we we agree that the Bible 1700 00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:09,520 Okay. Could we we agree that the Bible 1701 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,830 Okay. Could we we agree that the Bible was mainly finished by the year se like 1702 00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:11,840 was mainly finished by the year se like 1703 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,669 was mainly finished by the year se like that the Bible was not edited. There's 1704 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:13,679 that the Bible was not edited. There's 1705 00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:17,269 that the Bible was not edited. There's no historians widely believe the Bible 1706 00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:17,279 no historians widely believe the Bible 1707 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:20,310 no historians widely believe the Bible stayed the same from 70 AD onwards. 1708 00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:20,320 stayed the same from 70 AD onwards. 1709 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,310 stayed the same from 70 AD onwards. >> No, I do a regular Bible study with with 1710 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:24,320 >> No, I do a regular Bible study with with 1711 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,870 >> No, I do a regular Bible study with with Bible scholars and you know like people 1712 00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:26,880 Bible scholars and you know like people 1713 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,950 Bible scholars and you know like people that not only speak Hebrew, not people 1714 00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:28,960 that not only speak Hebrew, not people 1715 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,590 that not only speak Hebrew, not people who not only speak Hebrew but al also uh 1716 00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:31,600 who not only speak Hebrew but al also uh 1717 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,950 who not only speak Hebrew but al also uh Aramaic and can read um what is it? um 1718 00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:34,960 Aramaic and can read um what is it? um 1719 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,149 Aramaic and can read um what is it? um Assyrian kaoiform and yeah they I don't 1720 00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:38,159 Assyrian kaoiform and yeah they I don't 1721 00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:40,710 Assyrian kaoiform and yeah they I don't think they would agree with that 1722 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:40,720 think they would agree with that 1723 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,430 think they would agree with that >> they they wouldn't agree that after the 1724 00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:43,440 >> they they wouldn't agree that after the 1725 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,750 >> they they wouldn't agree that after the the spread of all of the Jewish people 1726 00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:45,760 the spread of all of the Jewish people 1727 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,430 the spread of all of the Jewish people around the entire so they 1728 00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:47,440 around the entire so they 1729 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,389 around the entire so they >> what I hear every week is that what I 1730 00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:50,399 >> what I hear every week is that what I 1731 00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:52,710 >> what I hear every week is that what I hear every week is that every part of 1732 00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:52,720 hear every week is that every part of 1733 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,549 hear every week is that every part of the Bible was rewritten over and over 1734 00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:54,559 the Bible was rewritten over and over 1735 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,669 the Bible was rewritten over and over again and we no idea how many times or 1736 00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:57,679 again and we no idea how many times or 1737 00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,430 again and we no idea how many times or by how many different people but nothing 1738 00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:59,440 by how many different people but nothing 1739 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,389 by how many different people but nothing stayed as it was for any considerable 1740 00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:02,399 stayed as it was for any considerable 1741 00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:04,389 stayed as it was for any considerable length of 1742 00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:04,399 length of 1743 00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:07,110 length of Well, I'm not talking about like Mark 16 1744 00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:07,120 Well, I'm not talking about like Mark 16 1745 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:07,590 Well, I'm not talking about like Mark 16 uh 9. 1746 00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:07,600 uh 9. 1747 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,029 uh 9. >> But it wouldn't matter, would it? 1748 00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:09,039 >> But it wouldn't matter, would it? 1749 00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:10,710 >> But it wouldn't matter, would it? Because that's the oral Torah, which 1750 00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:10,720 Because that's the oral Torah, which 1751 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,630 Because that's the oral Torah, which we've already conceded is completely 1752 00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:12,640 we've already conceded is completely 1753 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,430 we've already conceded is completely wrong. So, it doesn't matter what it 1754 00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:15,440 wrong. So, it doesn't matter what it 1755 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,389 wrong. So, it doesn't matter what it says. 1756 00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:16,399 says. 1757 00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:18,149 says. >> Okay. Wait, actually, never mind. Um I 1758 00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:18,159 >> Okay. Wait, actually, never mind. Um I 1759 00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:19,669 >> Okay. Wait, actually, never mind. Um I we have the Dead Sea Scrolls for this. I 1760 00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:19,679 we have the Dead Sea Scrolls for this. I 1761 00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:22,070 we have the Dead Sea Scrolls for this. I apologize. So, the Dead Sea Scrolls. 1762 00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:22,080 apologize. So, the Dead Sea Scrolls. 1763 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,750 apologize. So, the Dead Sea Scrolls. >> Okay. Because one of the one of the guys 1764 00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:23,760 >> Okay. Because one of the one of the guys 1765 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,310 >> Okay. Because one of the one of the guys on my show is Dr. Kip Davis, who's an 1766 00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:26,320 on my show is Dr. Kip Davis, who's an 1767 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,110 on my show is Dr. Kip Davis, who's an expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls. 1768 00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:29,120 expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls. 1769 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,110 expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls. >> Sorry. the the Dead Sea Scrolls verify 1770 00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:31,120 >> Sorry. the the Dead Sea Scrolls verify 1771 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,590 >> Sorry. the the Dead Sea Scrolls verify that um the B the Bible was largely 1772 00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:33,600 that um the B the Bible was largely 1773 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,750 that um the B the Bible was largely finished including all of its prophecies 1774 00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:35,760 finished including all of its prophecies 1775 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,669 finished including all of its prophecies in the year uh 70 AD. Correct. 1776 00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:39,679 in the year uh 70 AD. Correct. 1777 00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:41,350 in the year uh 70 AD. Correct. >> 70 AD. [sighs] 1778 00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:41,360 >> 70 AD. [sighs] 1779 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,149 >> 70 AD. [sighs] Okay. 1780 00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:42,159 Okay. 1781 00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:42,470 Okay. >> Yes. 1782 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:42,480 >> Yes. 1783 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,909 >> Yes. >> The Bible. But yeah, I would I would 1784 00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:43,919 >> The Bible. But yeah, I would I would 1785 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:45,990 >> The Bible. But yeah, I would I would accept that. Yeah. [clears throat] 1786 00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:46,000 accept that. Yeah. [clears throat] 1787 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,430 accept that. Yeah. [clears throat] >> If you're talking about if you're 1788 00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:47,440 >> If you're talking about if you're 1789 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,310 >> If you're talking about if you're talking about the Hebrew Bible. Yes. 1790 00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:50,320 talking about the Hebrew Bible. Yes. 1791 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,149 talking about the Hebrew Bible. Yes. >> Yeah. The Hebrew Bible. Obviously, the 1792 00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:52,159 >> Yeah. The Hebrew Bible. Obviously, the 1793 00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:54,950 >> Yeah. The Hebrew Bible. Obviously, the the Action Bible changed a large amount, 1794 00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:54,960 the Action Bible changed a large amount, 1795 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,190 the Action Bible changed a large amount, but the Hebrew Bible stayed uh largely 1796 00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:57,200 but the Hebrew Bible stayed uh largely 1797 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,269 but the Hebrew Bible stayed uh largely the same. So I I can point to the 1798 00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:59,279 the same. So I I can point to the 1799 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,350 the same. So I I can point to the argument from prophecy 1800 00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:01,360 argument from prophecy 1801 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,029 argument from prophecy which is evidence which you might say 1802 00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:03,039 which is evidence which you might say 1803 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,669 which is evidence which you might say it's not ob not not uh you know 1804 00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:05,679 it's not ob not not uh you know 1805 00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:07,590 it's not ob not not uh you know >> if it's not an objectively verifiable 1806 00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:07,600 >> if it's not an objectively verifiable 1807 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,230 >> if it's not an objectively verifiable fact then it's not 1808 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:10,240 fact then it's not 1809 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,750 fact then it's not >> object you would concede that it's 1810 00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:11,760 >> object you would concede that it's 1811 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,190 >> object you would concede that it's objectively verifiable 1812 00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:13,200 objectively verifiable 1813 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,509 objectively verifiable >> the show how am I going to concede that 1814 00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:15,519 >> the show how am I going to concede that 1815 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,230 >> the show how am I going to concede that it's objectively verifiable. 1816 00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:18,240 it's objectively verifiable. 1817 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,909 it's objectively verifiable. >> So you you defined objectively 1818 00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:19,919 >> So you you defined objectively 1819 00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:21,590 >> So you you defined objectively verifiable as like I could look up a 1820 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:21,600 verifiable as like I could look up a 1821 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,110 verifiable as like I could look up a Google search and I would see this is uh 1822 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:23,120 Google search and I would see this is uh 1823 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,789 Google search and I would see this is uh you know immediately true. 1824 00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:24,799 you know immediately true. 1825 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:25,830 you know immediately true. >> That's what you that was your 1826 00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:25,840 >> That's what you that was your 1827 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,269 >> That's what you that was your definition. a little more complicated 1828 00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:27,279 definition. a little more complicated 1829 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,029 definition. a little more complicated than that. But I'm still waiting for the 1830 00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:29,039 than that. But I'm still waiting for the 1831 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,269 than that. But I'm still waiting for the punch line here. You're saying you're 1832 00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:31,279 punch line here. You're saying you're 1833 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,190 punch line here. You're saying you're talking about the timeline of uh this 1834 00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:33,200 talking about the timeline of uh this 1835 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,029 talking about the timeline of uh this stuff getting written and and and then 1836 00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:35,039 stuff getting written and and and then 1837 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,110 stuff getting written and and and then what what's uh what are we leading up to 1838 00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:37,120 what what's uh what are we leading up to 1839 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:37,509 what what's uh what are we leading up to here? 1840 00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:37,519 here? 1841 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:38,710 here? >> Yeah, let's get to the point. 1842 00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:38,720 >> Yeah, let's get to the point. 1843 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,549 >> Yeah, let's get to the point. >> Punch line. Uh the Bible clearly 1844 00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:40,559 >> Punch line. Uh the Bible clearly 1845 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,630 >> Punch line. Uh the Bible clearly predicts a second Jewish exile before 1846 00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:42,640 predicts a second Jewish exile before 1847 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,909 predicts a second Jewish exile before the Messiah comes. This was 1848 00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:43,919 the Messiah comes. This was 1849 00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:45,350 the Messiah comes. This was >> But it was only meant to be taken 1850 00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:45,360 >> But it was only meant to be taken 1851 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,509 >> But it was only meant to be taken metaphorically. So it doesn't matter 1852 00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:47,519 metaphorically. So it doesn't matter 1853 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:48,950 metaphorically. So it doesn't matter what it says. 1854 00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:48,960 what it says. 1855 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,509 what it says. >> There's an oral Torah that corrects all 1856 00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:51,519 >> There's an oral Torah that corrects all 1857 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,870 >> There's an oral Torah that corrects all of this, but you just won't show us how 1858 00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:54,880 of this, but you just won't show us how 1859 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,269 of this, but you just won't show us how to know that. But also but also come on 1860 00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:57,279 to know that. But also but also come on 1861 00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,269 to know that. But also but also come on man like have a higher standard than 1862 00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:59,279 man like have a higher standard than 1863 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,590 man like have a higher standard than like there's like does it say like there 1864 00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:01,600 like there's like does it say like there 1865 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,789 like there's like does it say like there will be a war somewhere uh weather will 1866 00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:04,799 will be a war somewhere uh weather will 1867 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,669 will be a war somewhere uh weather will happen people will go places like come 1868 00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:07,679 happen people will go places like come 1869 00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:08,389 happen people will go places like come on dude 1870 00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:08,399 on dude 1871 00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:10,470 on dude >> very clear extremely clear 1872 00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:10,480 >> very clear extremely clear 1873 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,149 >> very clear extremely clear >> there will be wars and rumors 1874 00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:12,159 >> there will be wars and rumors 1875 00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:14,230 >> there will be wars and rumors >> all peoples have been exiled and 1876 00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:14,240 >> all peoples have been exiled and 1877 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,630 >> all peoples have been exiled and conquered and and conquer others and it 1878 00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:16,640 conquered and and conquer others and it 1879 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,990 conquered and and conquer others and it just that's how 1880 00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:18,000 just that's how 1881 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,830 just that's how >> and a man will lose his hammer 1882 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:19,840 >> and a man will lose his hammer 1883 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,950 >> and a man will lose his hammer >> largely diaspora no very specific this 1884 00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:22,960 >> largely diaspora no very specific this 1885 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,870 >> largely diaspora no very specific this is not mundane all right don't try to 1886 00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:24,880 is not mundane all right don't try to 1887 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,389 is not mundane all right don't try to get out of it by saying it's mundane. 1888 00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:26,399 get out of it by saying it's mundane. 1889 00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:29,110 get out of it by saying it's mundane. Micah 5:7 and Hosea 3:4-5 are not 1890 00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:29,120 Micah 5:7 and Hosea 3:4-5 are not 1891 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,669 Micah 5:7 and Hosea 3:4-5 are not mundane. They predict that the total 1892 00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:31,679 mundane. They predict that the total 1893 00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:33,830 mundane. They predict that the total destruction and diaspora of the Jewish 1894 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:33,840 destruction and diaspora of the Jewish 1895 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,549 destruction and diaspora of the Jewish people. This is clear evidence. And if 1896 00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:36,559 people. This is clear evidence. And if 1897 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:37,830 people. This is clear evidence. And if you don't think that I 1898 00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:37,840 you don't think that I 1899 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,190 you don't think that I >> What do you mean destru total 1900 00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:39,200 >> What do you mean destru total 1901 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,750 >> What do you mean destru total destruction? Do Jews exist. 1902 00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:41,760 destruction? Do Jews exist. 1903 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,950 destruction? Do Jews exist. So it's not true. 1904 00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:42,960 So it's not true. 1905 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,710 So it's not true. >> I mean total destruction of the of the 1906 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:44,720 >> I mean total destruction of the of the 1907 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,230 >> I mean total destruction of the of the land. It says that there won't be a 1908 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:46,240 land. It says that there won't be a 1909 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,430 land. It says that there won't be a king. 1910 00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:47,440 king. 1911 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,029 king. >> Is there a hole there now where that 1912 00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:49,039 >> Is there a hole there now where that 1913 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:50,470 >> Is there a hole there now where that land used to be? The [\h__\h] are you 1914 00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:50,480 land used to be? The [\h__\h] are you 1915 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,149 land used to be? The [\h__\h] are you talking about, man? 1916 00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:52,159 talking about, man? 1917 00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:53,110 talking about, man? >> There there are people that live there 1918 00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:53,120 >> There there are people that live there 1919 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,389 >> There there are people that live there now. 1920 00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:54,399 now. 1921 00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:56,710 now. Why don't you look at it yourself? 1922 00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:56,720 Why don't you look at it yourself? 1923 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,789 Why don't you look at it yourself? >> Because you're the expert here, dude. 1924 00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:58,799 >> Because you're the expert here, dude. 1925 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:00,149 >> Because you're the expert here, dude. Tell us what it says. 1926 00:34:00,149 --> 00:34:00,159 Tell us what it says. 1927 00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:01,990 Tell us what it says. >> If it didn't exist, we couldn't look at 1928 00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:02,000 >> If it didn't exist, we couldn't look at 1929 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,710 >> If it didn't exist, we couldn't look at it, could we? 1930 00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:02,720 it, could we? 1931 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,990 it, could we? >> I'll tell you what it says. So, 1932 00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:04,000 >> I'll tell you what it says. So, 1933 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,110 >> I'll tell you what it says. So, >> you're saying things that are both 1934 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:05,120 >> you're saying things that are both 1935 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,269 >> you're saying things that are both mundane and not true at the same time. 1936 00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:07,279 mundane and not true at the same time. 1937 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:08,790 mundane and not true at the same time. So, what are you talking about? 1938 00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:08,800 So, what are you talking about? 1939 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,550 So, what are you talking about? >> And you're quoting a book that we've 1940 00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:10,560 >> And you're quoting a book that we've 1941 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,470 >> And you're quoting a book that we've already agreed it doesn't matter what it 1942 00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:12,480 already agreed it doesn't matter what it 1943 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,909 already agreed it doesn't matter what it says. It's only supposed to be taken 1944 00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:13,919 says. It's only supposed to be taken 1945 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:16,149 says. It's only supposed to be taken metaphorically. Here you are reading it 1946 00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:16,159 metaphorically. Here you are reading it 1947 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,470 metaphorically. Here you are reading it literally. You can't do that. It's only 1948 00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:18,480 literally. You can't do that. It's only 1949 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,550 literally. You can't do that. It's only metaphorical. 1950 00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:20,560 metaphorical. 1951 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,909 metaphorical. >> You know why this doesn't work? Because 1952 00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:21,919 >> You know why this doesn't work? Because 1953 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:23,430 >> You know why this doesn't work? Because first off, that's internal to my 1954 00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:23,440 first off, that's internal to my 1955 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,750 first off, that's internal to my position. And second, if you're exter, 1956 00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:25,760 position. And second, if you're exter, 1957 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,190 position. And second, if you're exter, you can't make an internal argument 1958 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:27,200 you can't make an internal argument 1959 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,829 you can't make an internal argument right now because there's nothing. 1960 00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:29,839 right now because there's nothing. 1961 00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:32,230 right now because there's nothing. >> I have very low tolerance for Pho 1962 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:32,240 >> I have very low tolerance for Pho 1963 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:34,069 >> I have very low tolerance for Pho [\h__\h] Just talk like a person. 1964 00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:34,079 [\h__\h] Just talk like a person. 1965 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,430 [\h__\h] Just talk like a person. >> Be as external as possible. 1966 00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:37,440 >> Be as external as possible. 1967 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,030 >> Be as external as possible. >> Okay. So, you're being external. So, 1968 00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:39,040 >> Okay. So, you're being external. So, 1969 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:39,190 >> Okay. So, you're being external. So, yeah. 1970 00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:39,200 yeah. 1971 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,149 yeah. >> I want to check. Is there anybody still 1972 00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:42,159 >> I want to check. Is there anybody still 1973 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,069 >> I want to check. Is there anybody still waiting? Is there anybody on the phone 1974 00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:44,079 waiting? Is there anybody on the phone 1975 00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:45,030 waiting? Is there anybody on the phone lines? 1976 00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:45,040 lines? 1977 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,310 lines? >> We're getting very close to the end of 1978 00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:46,320 >> We're getting very close to the end of 1979 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,550 >> We're getting very close to the end of this call. This is really really not uh 1980 00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:48,560 this call. This is really really not uh 1981 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,430 this call. This is really really not uh Yeah, there's not. 1982 00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:49,440 Yeah, there's not. 1983 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,710 Yeah, there's not. >> If there's anybody that's been waiting 1984 00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:50,720 >> If there's anybody that's been waiting 1985 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:52,389 >> If there's anybody that's been waiting on hold, I'm sure they would be awfully 1986 00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:52,399 on hold, I'm sure they would be awfully 1987 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:53,750 on hold, I'm sure they would be awfully frustrated at listening to this 1988 00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:53,760 frustrated at listening to this 1989 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,030 frustrated at listening to this conversation because this was some 1990 00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:55,040 conversation because this was some 1991 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,109 conversation because this was some [\h__\h] 1992 00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:57,119 [\h__\h] 1993 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,630 [\h__\h] >> Can Can we agree it predicts the 1994 00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:58,640 >> Can Can we agree it predicts the 1995 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,470 >> Can Can we agree it predicts the diaspora of the Jewish people? 1996 00:35:00,470 --> 00:35:00,480 diaspora of the Jewish people? 1997 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,470 diaspora of the Jewish people? >> No. 1998 00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:02,480 >> No. 1999 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,550 >> No. >> Because you keep quoting a book that was 2000 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:04,560 >> Because you keep quoting a book that was 2001 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,230 >> Because you keep quoting a book that was only supposed to be read metaphorically, 2002 00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:06,240 only supposed to be read metaphorically, 2003 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:07,670 only supposed to be read metaphorically, so it doesn't matter what it says. So 2004 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:07,680 so it doesn't matter what it says. So 2005 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,870 so it doesn't matter what it says. So why do you keeping it? 2006 00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:08,880 why do you keeping it? 2007 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,390 why do you keeping it? >> But you're not saying anything concrete. 2008 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:10,400 >> But you're not saying anything concrete. 2009 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,310 >> But you're not saying anything concrete. You said the destruction of the people, 2010 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:12,320 You said the destruction of the people, 2011 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,510 You said the destruction of the people, well, they weren't destroyed. The 2012 00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:13,520 well, they weren't destroyed. The 2013 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,710 well, they weren't destroyed. The destruction of the land, well, it 2014 00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:14,720 destruction of the land, well, it 2015 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,950 destruction of the land, well, it wasn't. It wasn't destroyed and you said 2016 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:16,960 wasn't. It wasn't destroyed and you said 2017 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,030 wasn't. It wasn't destroyed and you said you had evidence and then admitted that 2018 00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:19,040 you had evidence and then admitted that 2019 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,870 you had evidence and then admitted that all you have are arguments. So you don't 2020 00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:20,880 all you have are arguments. So you don't 2021 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,630 all you have are arguments. So you don't have evidence. 2022 00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:22,640 have evidence. 2023 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,790 have evidence. >> Why did you waste our time? 2024 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:24,800 >> Why did you waste our time? 2025 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,390 >> Why did you waste our time? >> Makes my claim more likely. And if it's 2026 00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:26,400 >> Makes my claim more likely. And if it's 2027 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,109 >> Makes my claim more likely. And if it's within an argument, it's obviously if 2028 00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:29,119 within an argument, it's obviously if 2029 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:30,470 within an argument, it's obviously if it's an inductive argument, obviously 2030 00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:30,480 it's an inductive argument, obviously 2031 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,109 it's an inductive argument, obviously that's evidence. 2032 00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:31,119 that's evidence. 2033 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,670 that's evidence. >> But you said not true things. 2034 00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:33,680 >> But you said not true things. 2035 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,390 >> But you said not true things. >> Yes. 2036 00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:34,400 >> Yes. 2037 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:34,790 >> Yes. >> Okay. 2038 00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:34,800 >> Okay. 2039 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,109 >> Okay. >> You said things that are not true. 2040 00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:37,119 >> You said things that are not true. 2041 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:38,790 >> You said things that are not true. >> The Bible makes that helps us verify 2042 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:38,800 >> The Bible makes that helps us verify 2043 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,990 >> The Bible makes that helps us verify whether or not true. 2044 00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:40,000 whether or not true. 2045 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,470 whether or not true. >> We're done. 2046 00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:40,480 >> We're done. 2047 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,829 >> We're done. >> And you don't have them. 2048 00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:41,839 >> And you don't have them. 2049 00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:45,670 >> And you don't have them. >> We are done now. And I I suggest you 2050 00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:45,680 >> We are done now. And I I suggest you 2051 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,759 >> We are done now. And I I suggest you think about 2052 00:35:47,759 --> 00:35:47,769 think about 2053 00:35:47,769 --> 00:35:48,790 think about [laughter] 2054 00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:48,800 [laughter] 2055 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,870 [laughter] what you've done and said here and why 2056 00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:50,880 what you've done and said here and why 2057 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,670 what you've done and said here and why you believe what you do because it's not 2058 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:53,680 you believe what you do because it's not 2059 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,150 you believe what you do because it's not good reasons. 2060 00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:56,160 good reasons. 2061 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,069 good reasons. Your argument was bad. 2062 00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:58,079 Your argument was bad. 2063 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,230 Your argument was bad. >> All of your arguments were bad and you 2064 00:36:00,230 --> 00:36:00,240 >> All of your arguments were bad and you 2065 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,824 >> All of your arguments were bad and you should feel bad. 2066 00:36:02,824 --> 00:36:02,834 should feel bad. 2067 00:36:02,834 --> 00:36:03,589 should feel bad. [snorts] 2068 00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:03,599 [snorts] 2069 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,670 [snorts] >> Me because you're not intelligent. 2070 00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:05,680 >> Me because you're not intelligent. 2071 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,870 >> Me because you're not intelligent. >> Like, okay. 2072 00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:06,880 >> Like, okay. 2073 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,270 >> Like, okay. >> All right. Get this prick out. Free 2074 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:09,280 >> All right. Get this prick out. Free 2075 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,339 >> All right. Get this prick out. Free Palestine. 2076 00:36:11,339 --> 00:36:11,349 Palestine. 2077 00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:14,150 Palestine. [laughter] 2078 00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:14,160 2079 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,150 You're not intelligent. You're just You 2080 00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:16,160 You're not intelligent. You're just You 2081 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,230 You're not intelligent. You're just You don't get it cuz you're dumb. I've said 2082 00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:18,240 don't get it cuz you're dumb. I've said 2083 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,310 don't get it cuz you're dumb. I've said not a single intelligent thing for how 2084 00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:20,320 not a single intelligent thing for how 2085 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,670 not a single intelligent thing for how long were we talking to that jerk? 2086 00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:21,680 long were we talking to that jerk? 2087 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,109 long were we talking to that jerk? [\h__\h] 45 minutes. 2088 00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:23,119 [\h__\h] 45 minutes. 2089 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:23,670 [\h__\h] 45 minutes. >> That was 2090 00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:23,680 >> That was 2091 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,270 >> That was >> But no, we're the dumb ones. 2092 00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:25,280 >> But no, we're the dumb ones. 2093 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,370 >> But no, we're the dumb ones. >> That was such a frustrating call. 2094 00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:28,380 >> That was such a frustrating call. 2095 00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:29,910 >> That was such a frustrating call. [laughter] 2096 00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:29,920 [laughter] 2097 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,349 [laughter] Have you Have you noticed when you talk 2098 00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:31,359 Have you Have you noticed when you talk 2099 00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:33,030 Have you Have you noticed when you talk to religious apologists or just any 2100 00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:33,040 to religious apologists or just any 2101 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,670 to religious apologists or just any defenders of the faith that logic just 2102 00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:35,680 defenders of the faith that logic just 2103 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,589 defenders of the faith that logic just doesn't seem to exist? 2104 00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:37,599 doesn't seem to exist? 2105 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,510 doesn't seem to exist? >> Not at all. And I mean, you can, this is 2106 00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:39,520 >> Not at all. And I mean, you can, this is 2107 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,190 >> Not at all. And I mean, you can, this is what's like, this is why these kind of 2108 00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:41,200 what's like, this is why these kind of 2109 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,950 what's like, this is why these kind of call-in shows are like both fun and 2110 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:42,960 call-in shows are like both fun and 2111 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,790 call-in shows are like both fun and frustrating because it's frustrating 2112 00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:44,800 frustrating because it's frustrating 2113 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,870 frustrating because it's frustrating like slamming your head against a brick 2114 00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:46,880 like slamming your head against a brick 2115 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,390 like slamming your head against a brick wall for 40 minutes, but they're also 2116 00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:48,400 wall for 40 minutes, but they're also 2117 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,910 wall for 40 minutes, but they're also fun because you know for a fact that 2118 00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:49,920 fun because you know for a fact that 2119 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,470 fun because you know for a fact that absolutely nobody is going to be even 2120 00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:52,480 absolutely nobody is going to be even 2121 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,630 absolutely nobody is going to be even remotely challenging to talk to because 2122 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:54,640 remotely challenging to talk to because 2123 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,109 remotely challenging to talk to because even you look at like William Lane Craig 2124 00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:57,119 even you look at like William Lane Craig 2125 00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,510 even you look at like William Lane Craig or like like the like who they hold up 2126 00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:59,520 or like like the like who they hold up 2127 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,470 or like like the like who they hold up as the most intellectual unbeatable 2128 00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:02,480 as the most intellectual unbeatable 2129 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,990 as the most intellectual unbeatable version of the apologist and I listen to 2130 00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:04,000 version of the apologist and I listen to 2131 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,109 version of the apologist and I listen to those people and I'm like these people 2132 00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:05,119 those people and I'm like these people 2133 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,630 those people and I'm like these people are morons. um nothing they're saying is 2134 00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:08,640 are morons. um nothing they're saying is 2135 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,430 are morons. um nothing they're saying is can be substantiated at all. So you go 2136 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:11,440 can be substantiated at all. So you go 2137 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,870 can be substantiated at all. So you go down a few wrongs on the ladder. It's 2138 00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:12,880 down a few wrongs on the ladder. It's 2139 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,790 down a few wrongs on the ladder. It's like I can like I don't even need to be 2140 00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:14,800 like I can like I don't even need to be 2141 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,630 like I can like I don't even need to be listening to this person. 2142 00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:16,640 listening to this person. 2143 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,200 listening to this person. Just ridiculous.