Hey everyone, many of you are familiar
with Godfrey as the comedian who hosts
the podcast where I ruined the
reputation of flat-Earther Lord Jamar.
Well, sometimes we interact under other
circumstances as well, and today I have
one such occasion for you. Let's check
it out. Once again, the first time I
went on Godfrey's show, it was to debate
Lord Jamar, and most of you know how
that turned out. If you don't, watch
this video immediately for a good belly
laugh or 50. Very soon afterwards, I
went back on the show with Godfrey and
Dante to have a general conversation
about science, which was quite fun and
productive. They had lots of great
questions. I got a chance to practice my
explaining skills in lightning round
format, and everyone had a great time.
Fast forward to just a couple weeks ago,
and I happened to stumble upon an
episode Godfrey published called Did We
Really Land on the Moon? Since I
recently published my two-part series
exposing Bart Sibrel, the charlatan, on
this very topic, I decided to take a
peek. And of course, I heard some of the
talking points that I was quite familiar
with being uttered in more of a comedic
context than anything else, but it did
seem like Godfrey and at least one of
his guests were genuinely espousing moon
landing denial. While Dante, the lone
voice of reason, tried to represent
reality as best he could. Now, Dante and
I are well acquainted at this point. He
actually acted as my bodyguard during
the vaccine debate in New York last
September, and we chat from time to
time. So, I texted him and expressed my
disappointment. We agreed that I should
come on the show to talk about moon
landing denial, and I'm going to share
that conversation with you now. As
expected based on our previous
interactions, Godfrey was not combative
at all and earnestly listened to the
explanations I provided to debunk the
talking points they had been discussing
in the other episode. Truth be told,
he's kind of just always doing comedy,
and sometimes he riffs on things that
science deniers say to get a laugh. So,
he wasn't super committed to any of this
stuff, and when presented with actual
science, he riffed on that for some
comedy instead. If only all casual
science deniers could be this flexible.
At any rate, this ended up being sort of
a mix between the flat earth debunking
and the episode where I explained a
bunch of science. So, it was quite
productive. Enjoy this conversation now.
>> YO, WHAT'S UP EVERYBODY? ANOTHER EPISODE
OF IN GODFREY WE TRUST.
YES, we here live again. It's going
down. You know what I'm saying? And we
got the regulars, Vishnu, Vaka. We got
Akim Wood and we have Dante Nero. Yes,
it's the same [\h__\h] circus as usual,
everyone.
>> But this is a special if actually, first
of all, I always got to give a shout-out
to anywhere I've just been to.
I give a shout-out to Dania Beach, Fort
Lauderdale. You [\h__\h] came out.
I have four t-shirts left. Four of them
left.
>> Oh, nice.
>> You know, I've been I just started like
3 weeks ago. So, I'm trying to figure
this merch thing out. You know, I
getting the numbers and
and I you know, I'm using Shopify thing
on my iPad. I'm not doing that [\h__\h] You
know, that shit's embarrassing. I don't
like any of that [\h__\h] but I sign it. I
get them in line for a meet and greet,
sign the [\h__\h] I ain't going to stand
over the table. [\h__\h] that. You come, if
you buy it, I'll sign the [\h__\h] So, it's
been going good. Four t-shirts I sold
left, I mean, they were left. So, it's
going good. Shout-out to Dania Beach,
Fort Lauderdale. I appreciate your ass.
This week is Charlotte, North Carolina
is the Comedy Zone in Charlotte, North
Carolina. Charlotte, North Carolina.
This Friday, Thursday, Friday, and
Saturday. It's going to be awesome.
Oh, boy. And I got to give a shout to
New York Knicks. Come on now. New York
Knicks. Come on, New York [\h__\h]
Knicks.
>> I jumped ON THE BANDWAGON.
>> WOW.
>> I jumped on the bandwagon.
>> Wow. That was
>> Crazy.
>> a phenomenal. They came back twice. I
mean, god damn.
>> So, it was crazy.
>> Uh New York Knicks, man. And listen, I'm
from Chicago.
I still got the residue from the '90s
Bulls Chicago, but 53-year drought I
give props to the Knicks even though
Mike James ass was rooting for San
Antonio.
>> Oh, was he?
>> I knew it. This we were we were watching
the whole thing in the green room and
[\h__\h] And the Knicks won while I was on
stage because there was a lady Cuz you
know, Florida is nothing but New
Yorkers. They were like, "I'm watching
it. I'm I'm keeping tabs."
As the Knicks win, I think it's great.
They needed it. Shout out to Spike Lee.
I hope he gets an honorary ring.
>> a billboard on 40 2nd
>> he should have whatever cuz he's been a
loyal since the '80s since he was young.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and he's been there in losing
seasons. He actually was always in the
psychology of every team that went They
always pointed at him, right? He always
got in people's heads. Spike Lee
deserves to be on that float Thursday
for the for the parade. So, shout out to
the Knickerbockers. I'm happy. And
Brunson, who they [\h__\h] on, Stephen A.
Smith, all of those sports analysts [\h__\h]
on Brunson, said he's not worth it, he's
paid too much, and he proved them all
wrong. And yeah, so shout out to New
York Knicks. It makes sense now. All the
songs now. New York, New York.
>> Mhm.
>> The Alicia Keys one, the Jadakiss [\h__\h]
all of that [\h__\h] is making sense. And
everybody has always worn Knicks [\h__\h]
forever. People wear the Knicks all the
time. Now it makes sense.
Congratulations. Boom. Now, to get to
the real [\h__\h] we got my man who's been
on here causing trouble and [\h__\h] which
is great. He's like my exterminator. He
exterminates bozos and [\h__\h] like that.
We got my man
Dave the scientist. Dave Was it Dave the
scientist? Can I say that?
>> Professor Dave
>> Professor Dave the science communicator.
Yeah, Professor Dave Explains.
>> Marina.
>> Now, let me let me say this. I got a I
got a WhatsApp and he's a Dave text me.
He says uh
>> Professor Dave
>> Come on. Moon denial.
Like he didn't ask the stewards. Come on
Godfrey. Moon denial.
>> but I'm okay with that.
>> no moon. We just saying there's there's
no moon.
>> That moon denial. That's what he said.
>> Well, flat-earthers don't believe in the
moon or at least
>> All I said was with all the like with
that dumb that dumb Bezo [\h__\h] they that
that [\h__\h] they pulled with Gale and them
going into the [\h__\h] wherever. I don't
believe those [\h__\h] left went
anywhere. And I just have my doubts. And
I just said I just have doubts. Nothing
wrong with doubts. You know, I even did
it with Neil deGrasse Tyson. And he you
know, he told me. I said, "All right. I
just like I want to hear your version."
I said, "Bring them on."
>> Yeah.
>> No, I I know you at this point so I
don't think you'll be super duper
competitive. But we do want to kind of
correct you know, some of the stuff.
>> What about a ball in the water? What
about that?
>> I'm not going to do any of that [\h__\h]
>> That's a whole 'nother level. Yeah.
>> Yeah, let's hear it.
>> Tell me your reasonings on why I may be
my doubt I have doubts of it. You know,
and I think doubt is okay.
>> Sure.
>> explains it to you you go, "Oh, okay.
That makes some sense." Cuz I just doubt
like when we was talking about the
technology that was that's not around
anymore that they used. Why would they
get rid of the technology first off?
>> Yeah.
>> And I'm just wondering how they had they
fit the big vehicles and all that in in
in this so-called spaceship. You know,
there was certain things I go, "How do
they fit all that in there?"
>> Yeah.
>> You know?
>> Go ahead.
>> Do I mean the the the factory that made
Model T cars isn't around anymore,
right? But doesn't mean we didn't make
them. You know what I mean?
>> We pretty know how to make Model Ts, but
we don't know how to make the
Well, most of that.
>> We certainly could build a factory and
use all the historical knowledge to do
it. But anyway, that that's just an
aside. So, I just want to I think one
way to jump into it is just to I kind of
jotted down some notes about some of the
things you guys said and and especially
just what you said just now about Blue
Origin stuff. I mean, it's kind like I
understand the the the desire to be
like, "Hmm, was that real or is that not
real?" But there's a point where you
kind of go too far and and in that
episode you were talking about Felix
Baumgartner who did the the Red Bull
skydive record.
>> did the Oh, when he jumped. Did he die?
Is that guy gone?
>> I don't think he's I I don't
>> You think he's You did that
the moon where you actually saw the moon
was round.
>> The curve of the earth. I'm sorry. You
saw the curvature of the earth.
>> But
>> But your your justification for the Blue
Origin thing being fake was that Felix
wore a suit.
But he was not in a craft, right? He was
doing a skydive. He needed a suit to
have air to breathe. There's no air way
up there at the edge of earth's
atmosphere. So, that's why he had a
suit. The Blue Origin ladies were inside
a spacecraft. And they did. They went
past the Kármán line, right? They didn't
go up to orbit, but they went past the
Kármán line, so that counts as space.
And came back down. And there's just I
mean, I just I would be curious to hear
where like what is it that you why why
do you think it's fake and I I just want
to know.
>> You don't You don't need anything to go
past that What What's the line you said?
>> Kármán line.
>> You don't need anything to go past the
Kármán line. You don't have to put on
any pressure or anything to go that
high. There's any space 35,000 ft, no?
>> They're inside of a spaceship.
>> But did you see how they
>> No, but the same
>> Yes, but but I'm just asking because
>> You're saying because they didn't have a
space suit on.
>> I think I thought you needed I see I
don't know. I'm just saying
>> The Apollo astronauts weren't wearing
space suits inside the spacecraft that
took them all the way to the moon. They
had to put them on in order to go out in
on the lunar surface.
>> Well, why do they show them like I guess
they showed them launching and they're
in their suits when they're walking, you
know, when they're walking to the space
they have their suits on. So, I'm
thinking in the travel
>> Well, I didn't know I didn't know that.
I didn't know that. That's new for me.
>> Now, on TV, do they usually show
>> They show them in the
>> Do they show them in the space suit when
you when you if you watch some kind of
sci-fi or something like that?
>> Why are you talking over him?
Go ahead.
>> There is there a is there do they wear
the space suits like when you watch TV
and you watch sci-fi?
>> Yeah.
>> Is do they sometimes put people actors
in the space suits in the spaceships?
>> Yeah.
Well, I think it depends on what So,
they have to pump in an artificial
atmosphere into the spaceship into the
spacecraft, right? So, there could be
there could be details in terms of like
when that is pumped in, what the mixture
is, right? Whether it's cuz there's
actually a thing with Apollo that they
used to just do pure oxygen and that's
what was responsible for the Apollo 1
fire that killed Gus Grissom and the the
other two crewmen. So, then they started
filling with that. So, I don't know
necessarily about going up there, but
the point is that you if you're inside
of a spacecraft, right? They're floating
around in the command module all the way
3 days to the moon, 3 days back. They
don't have a space helmet on or
anything. You're in a spacecraft, right?
The the walls of the of the spacecraft
protect you from the vacuum of space and
you it's pumping in air for them to
breathe.
>> I had no idea. So,
>> I mean, we saw that in Apollo 13, but
the thing is like when the guy came and
opened the door, like she opened the
>> Why did that girl open the door? He's
like, "Yo, close the door, bitch."
>> Yeah. Yeah, that was fake, bro.
>> Bezos wanted a ceremonial opening,
right? It it had already depressurized
and he wanted to open the
>> It just looked really sus, though. I'm
just
>> Not if you look into it, I mean.
Not if you actually look into it, right?
It was just there's nothing that weird
about it. Bezos just wanted a very
ceremonial PR moment of him going and
opening the door.
>> But, the door was so flimsy, though. It
was so flip, like
>> Well, that's not Blue Origin that's not
what we're here to talk about. Let's
talk about
moon landing now.
So, I just wanted I just want to say one
general thing and then move into cuz I
I'm I want to demonstrate for you
empirically that we definitely went to
the moon. It has nothing to do with
trusting any government or anything like
this because just the general thing that
I want to say because a lot of the
rhetoric that I was hearing from you
guys and all moon landed in landing
deniers. It's not just you or just
generally a lot of this attitude. No,
you know not not Dante.
This thing of like governments have lied
uh is not an argument justifying
anything we want to be a lie is a lie,
right? And and and additionally the
angle of like historical
disenfranchisement towards black people
is not a reason to engage in
pseudo-science, right? The laws of
physics or like what vaccines do or or
what viruses are and like all of these
things. This is empirical science that
has nothing to do with you know, slavery
or or or cultural history or anything
like that. This is independently
verifiable scientific facts. So, I
understand I understand the sentiment,
but it's it's misplaced when you try to
go this science must be, you know what I
mean?
>> I got it.
>> Why are you talking over him?
>> No, I got a question.
>> No, it's good.
>> He's not said nothing yet, man. What are
you talking over him for?
>> I didn't talk.
>> He's not done.
>> I mean I I made a point now I now I want
to pivot into proving stuff, but but if
we want to talk about that, I mean yeah.
>> wanted to ask a question.
>> Sure, sure. Yeah.
>> But yeah, but you ask when he's done.
>> Because I forgot because he just said
something and he's like scientific and I
want to
>> Ask the question. Ask the god damn
question.
>> I'm getting there, bro.
>> Don't Don't interrupt to be interrupted.
Go ahead. Go ahead. I'M ON YOUR SIDE,
BUT YOU I'm listening to him first.
>> But you you're taking Dante's side, bro.
You got to be on my side.
>> I'm not taking his side. Let the guy
talk. Let Let him
>> Okay,
right now we we can't like land a land a
rocket on the land and then reuse it.
That's a problem, right?
>> Well,
>> But they did it on the moon. You're
telling me in 1963
>> In the 69.
>> 69, okay, whatever. They landed on the
moon and then they got back on it and
then they took off again.
And and you need a lot of fuel to get
out of the the
>> Yeah, he doesn't he hasn't even got to
that.
>> Okay, you see this is this is why we're
here. This is this is exactly why we're
here. Damn it.
>> So you just said something, right? You
said that you need a lot of fuel to get
off the lunar surface. But that's that's
great that you said that. So you said
something very specific and concrete.
That's your justification for why you
don't believe it. So now we can talk
about that thing, right? So the answer
is that no, you do not need a lot of
fuel to leave the lunar surface. The
lunar surface
it's 1/6 of Earth's gravity.
>> Of the gravity of the Earth.
>> Right. And there's no atmosphere. So
there's no there's no friction from air.
There's no there's no air there. And the
the part of the lunar lander that was
going back up for rendezvous is so tiny
in mass compared to any rocket that's
taking off from Earth. Right. So those
three things combined and you can go
ahead and do the calculation. I mean I'm
not going to do it right now, but you
can you can Google it and you know, what
is the what are the what's the force
required in Newtons to for the for that
portion of the lunar lander to leave to
jettison and and go back up for
rendezvous. It's very very very small
compared to you know, obviously to get
off of Earth with that giant rocket with
all of that fuel with all of that
equipment is enormous. It's an enormous
amount of force that's required to
achieve the escape velocity of Earth.
Moon, totally different story, right? So
that's so that's the answer to that uh
>> The already part of the the rocket is
fuel. Just basically
>> Yes.
>> Right. To get it up.
>> Something like 90% of the mass of the
rocket is the fuel to get it up into
into orbit and then continuing to to to
to the moon.
So
>> Okay, how come they um like the last
space uh [\h__\h] they did?
Last uh mission they did. Remember the
other one? Just out of nowhere and they
do all that empty [\h__\h]
>> It wasn't out of nowhere.
>> You're talking about Artemis two.
>> The little with the black dude, the bald
head and
>> Artemis get
>> Yeah.
>> Is it Artemis two or that would just
happened
>> recently?
>> The one that just happened, yeah. I'm
I'm wondering when they when they take
off they never show the whole route.
They'll show like the take off and then
you go why I want to see them going all
the you know all the time. I want to see
streaming. We have streaming. I want to
see that [\h__\h] constantly. It's like they
go from the the rocket and then they're
just in the spaceship like hey.
>> in no live launch there's GoPros on the
sides of the rockets showing from the
ground all the way to uh to LEO to to
lower orbit.
>> Okay.
>> The whole time. SpaceX was already doing
that.
>> Is that footage viewable?
>> Yes, I mean it's live. It's the lot you
can watch you watch the launch live and
>> go back and see it and say hey I want to
go watch that.
>> Yes, go type in Artemis two launch
footage in YouTube and watch 10
different angles, 10 different
coverages.
>> All right.
>> Well, if it's true why can't we
replicate it now?
>> What do you mean why can't we replicate
it now?
>> We're not able to go to moon right now.
We're not doing that.
>> We just went to the moon. We just went
to the we went to the Okay, we didn't
land there.
>> We went to the moon again?
>> No, again.
>> I went around it and came back.
>> didn't land. So the plan is for Artemis
four to land. So perfectly valid
question. Why didn't we land? Okay, so
the answer to the question is do we want
to do what the Apollo missions did? We
do not. We already did that, right? The
Apollo missions sent down a tiny little
lander that I mean Apollo 11 was just
can we put a human person on the moon?
That was it. And they walked around for
a few hours and took some pictures and
looked at some stuff and that was it.
Then Apollo from Apollo's 12 through 17,
so 13 was a mishap they didn't get to
land, but 12 and then 14, 15, 16, 17
were five you know there were six total
landings. What did they do? I mean
they did a lot of interesting science.
They collected a bunch of moon rocks,
which we can absolutely prove are of
lunar origin. They cannot be Earth
rocks.
Got a lot of footage, did a lot of cool
did a lot of cool science. But we did
that 50 years ago. So what are we going
to go there to do now? We're going to
try to start building a lunar base.
We're going to try to do a lot more
interesting stuff. And in order to do
that, you need to bring a much bigger
payload. So the kind of lander that's
being designed right now, and so SpaceX
and I forget which other company other
company I think it's Blue Origin right
I forget the two companies that are
competing to get the the lander design.
It's way bigger because they're going to
bring so much stuff. And it has to do
kind of like what the SpaceX rockets do
now, where they land and then take back
off. It's not like a teeny tiny dinky
little Apollo lunar lander that lands
and then the top of it goes and goes
back up. We're talking about a lot more
stuff. So that's why we're not doing it
right now. We're not we don't want to do
what the Apollo missions did because we
already did that. There's no reason to
spend billions of dollars to do exactly
what we've already done. We want to do
new things. We want to build a lunar
base. We want to start mining for for
helium 3 and you know, we want to do
something that's 20 21st century stuff,
you know.
>> But
wait what were you going to say? What
were you going to
>> No, I was going to say like they landed
three people so it's not that small. So
right now you can literally go there and
put like a small like you know, whatever
you want. Like you can put a building
there right now. You can take a truck
there.
>> Okay, if you think it's so easy then you
should go work for NASA.
>> No, I mean they they did it in '69.
And now we are like oh we're going to go
circle around it. We're going to like
>> Okay, check this out Dave.
Yeah,
11 through 17 two people went down in
the lander each time and it was just big
enough for people. It was just big
enough for two people and then they
brought back some moon rocks, right?
It's a very very small vessel. That's
how Apollo missions had to be because
they were doing the absolute tiniest
mass possible so that they could afford
to do it. But now we want to do bigger
things, right? We want to bring
equipment to begin constructing a lunar
base.
>> How did they bring all that? That looked
heavy.
>> Sure, yeah. A lunar rover, yeah. There
was a rover.
>> I was like, what? And okay.
>> Well, it's very likely
>> This has come from my comedic mind. This
is the comedic mind of Professor.
>> Yeah.
>> When they landed, I I have a problem
with how they landed cuz they were like,
"One small step for man, one giant leap
for mankind."
>> Yo, you just landed on the [\h__\h] moon,
bro. The the the emotion didn't match
for me, man.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz if I if we land on the moon and
you're the first ONE, YOU'RE LIKE,
"YEAH, [\h__\h] THAT'S HOW AMERICA
DOES IT, BABY! YO,
YO, RUSSIA, SUCK MY
>> BUT YOU'RE BUT YOU'RE BUT YOU'RE NOT But
you're also not a You're also
>> That sounds great.
>> That's what I'm talking about.
>> Yeah, he
>> Cuz you're not white.
Of course you're
>> These are nerdy ass mathematicians and
pilots.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
>> A WHITE DUDE IN 19 A WHITE DUDE
in 1969
>> Okay, but but you're not you're not
serious that the way Neil delivered that
line is to you a valid reason to deny
the moon landings against all of the
empirical evidence that proves that they
happened, right? That's I mean, I you're
doing comedy right now, right?
>> Yes, I am. That's what I said in the
beginning.
>> Which is fine. You're a comedian.
>> You didn't know this is a comedy show?
>> What What do you think this is, a shitty
comedy?
>> Woah, damn.
>> I hope your throat stays that way.
>> You're speaking in a high voice forever.
>> But look, so
>> You know I've been stabbed.
>> I agree, bro. The way he said it, it
sounded like someone who's trying to
cover up a lie.
>> Oh god.
>> Oh god. No, I don't believe
>> Says you. I mean
>> I believe that [\h__\h]
>> Why Why
>> You're working so hard to find a way
>> But look, so this is this is what I want
to talk about. Right, we're we're
comparing
you subjective feelings about how a guy
said something versus what I want to
present to you now. Like firm empirical
evidence that proves that we went to the
moon.
>> Okay, got a question. Why did how did
President Nixon call him from a
landline?
>> Okay, so
So the landline
>> Yo, that [\h__\h] was wack. He's like this
>> It's I'm sorry, man.
This is the absolute worst talking point
of in all of moon landing tonight.
So how how was Houston how was Houston
communicating with the spacecraft? How
was Houston communicating with the
spacecraft?
>> What I I don't know. Tell me.
>> By radio transmission.
>> communications for Verizon for years.
You just because he had a receiver
doesn't you you have situations where
where voice travels from copper on a on
a on a
>> on a coil or whatever.
>> Okay. two fiber optics. It's transferred
from fiber optics from fiber optics it
can go to a voice link which voice link
can go to cellular to different bands.
>> So long story short, a radio
transmission can very trivially be
tethered to a phone line. So Houston got
the radio transmission and then they
sent it to Nixon on a phone line.
>> It doesn't mine sound technical.
>> It it just it just let it just let it
look so funny when he's like, "Hello."
And it was like
>> Yeah, he's talking to the astronauts.
>> How the [\h__\h]
>> It's the president. He wanted to have a
>> Oh, hello.
Oh, yeah, let me dial it. What's the
name number to the moon? God damn it,
what 800?
>> Yeah, but now now that we cleared that
up, none of us are ever going to use
that talking point ever again, right?
It's it's not a good
talking point.
We've got to we've got to we've got to
line these up and knock them down.
>> Don't make no don't make no after So
after talking to Godfrey the [\h__\h]
>> No. No. No, no, no.
Nothing like that. Nothing like that.
>> It makes sense. No. No. It makes No.
>> Exactly. See?
>> Clarification. That's why I'm here. I'm
okay playing the
>> You heard a talking point and you
repeated it thinking saying, "Oh, well,
what about this?" It's okay to say,
"What about this?" And then I explained
it and then now we're now it's all
clear, right?
>> Right. Right. I mean
>> And is it clear?
>> It's No, it's very clear because Wait a
minute.
>> Relax.
>> I just asked was it clear? I'm just
asking questions.
>> I thought when he said
>> No, you you you realize 1/6 of the moon
the gravity thing, the the
the amount No, I'm saying the amount of
power it takes to get I was like, "Oh,
well, [\h__\h] Yeah."
>> I mean Okay, the phone thing. The phone
thing
>> The phone thing was just [\h__\h] cuz I was
like, "What the [\h__\h] that?"
>> But I'm saying
>> But then now that you explained the
fiber
>> You explained the fiber optics, you
>> and the coil and all of that. I know I
appreciate that cuz we're working
communications. Now it's like, "Okay,
that makes more sense for me now."
>> But but still 1/6 is still weight, bro.
Like you know, 1/6 of
>> You go. You have to know how to do the
Can you do the calculation?
>> Yeah, it's like 1/5 of
>> Can you do the calculation?
>> it right now. 1/5
>> not doing it now.
>> like 40 lb. 40 lb of a person is a lot
of weight to push out
into the planet, like out of the you
know.
>> Yeah, if
>> What are you What are you
>> No, 1/6 of a weight, right?
>> explained that 90% of the of the of the
ship was fuel.
>> of gravity
>> when it's on Earth when it's on Earth
>> No, when you go to the moon, there is
still gravity there. It's not like no
>> 1/6
>> There is 1/6
>> It's 1/6 of
>> Like a 200
lb person would be like 40 lb there.
It's not zero.
>> Right.
>> So you still got
>> So yeah, the the the lunar lander
doesn't just magically float up. There
There's thrusters, right? It It applies
a force to go back up to rendezvous with
the command module. It's It's not It's
not just magically going, right? The
thrusters fire and it goes up.
>> So so So here's here's one guy made the
explanation with the Italian dude who
was getting mad about the moon lander. I
thought it was funny. It was kind of
funny. When the When the [\h__\h] took off,
he goes, "So, they just left the guy
filming?"
>> It's the rover. It's the lunar rover.
>> Oh, it's the with the camera.
>> Yeah, the kid There's a camera on the
lunar rover, and they program it. And
here's Here's the funny thing. They
They tried to do it three times. So, on
Apollo 15, they messed it up. On Apollo
16, they almost got it, but so it's
being controlled from from Houston, but
there's a slight delay. So, it's hard to
time it. Apollo 17, the famous one that
everyone
has seen is Apollo 17 cuz it was the
third try and they got it right that
time.
>> They messed it up three times before?
>> Two, yeah.
I think two. I think two. At least one.
I know they messed it up at least once.
But yeah, they It's pro- Houston is
doing it. They're They're controlling
the camera to pan up, but there's a
delay. So, it's It's hard to do, right?
It's not that easy.
But on Apollo 17, they got it right, and
that's the footage that's panning up
from the camera on the lunar rover.
>> Oh, okay. Well, [\h__\h]
I'm saying
>> let's let's continue that.
So, let me keep talking about the the
the lunar rover. So, so here's a few
more things. So, just in general, all of
the footage and images on the lunar
surface are impossible to fake. So,
talking about the lunar rover in
particular, this is one of the easiest
ways to do it is you can watch footage
from Apollo 17 for sure. I think also 16
of the the rover driving around, and it
is kicking up dust with the wheels,
right? And if you analyze the
trajectory of the dust particles, it is
physically impossible for that to be on
Earth, right? The The The rigidly
parabolic arcs require vacuum. There
cannot be any air there for those to be
doing what they're doing. And then the
rate that they're falling is indicative
of the 1/6 gravity on the moon.
So, the way that the rover is driving
and what the dust is doing are
completely incompatible if it's not on
the moon.
>> So, you never ever had doubts about it.
Did you ever have doubts and go, "Well,
let me check No, I'm saying did you ever
go, "Let me see myself and make sure
that Did you ever have any doubts? Did
you ever think, "Oh, if Stanley Kubrick
was involved?" You never thought of any
of that [\h__\h]
>> I never really thought that, but I
certainly did go and see everything that
moon landing deniers say because I made
content debunking moon landing denial.
So, in order to do that, I have to go to
Bart Sibrel, who is the number one jerk
spewing all this crap and and
systematically debunk every dumb thing
he says over two videos. So, so yes, I'm
I'm well aware of the whole
of the talking points, of course. Yeah.
Um and they're trivially debunked.
>> What's up?
>> see like like you know when it took off,
it's a capsule, right? And you still
need something that guides it out of the
moon surface and back toward the Earth,
not like go somewhere else like Jupiter
or something. And then when you come in,
like you got to have propellers to get
it there. And then when it comes in,
yeah,
propellers
>> Propellers?
>> Propellers.
>> What is propellers?
>> Like like the
>> Propellers, sorry about that.
>> Okay, propellers push air, so you don't
want propellers. You want thrusters, you
want rockets, you want an engine.
>> Yeah, yeah, something that gets them
back.
>> Yeah, and they have that.
>> all that fuel and that capsule looked
kind of too small to have all that
stuff.
>> How are you doing?
>> Well, it has those things to
>> How do How do you Is THERE IS THERE
IS THERE PHOTOS of how they fit into the
capsule to go back?
>> bro. You know how much fuel you need for
the plane?
>> I
Is there It's not a plane as in in
atmosphere. It's not the same thing.
Yeah, go ahead. Is
[\h__\h] Is there
Is there
>> You You want to know something about the
>> of them in the capsule and how they fit
to go back to Earth. You know what I'm
saying?
>> I
Not entirely.
What's What's the problem about them
going back to Earth?
>> No, of of them fitting in that thing
that took off. You know, they show the
thing that takes off. It It looks like a
>> It's small. I mean, it's it's it fits
two people. It's a It's a lunar lander
suitable for two people and very little
else.
So.
>> And so, they kind of leave everything
>> no music, no AC.
>> So, that's part two. There are six
landing sites on the on the lunar
surface and they have been imaged by
countless other
countless other missions from other
countries. That go No other country has
landed on the lunar surface, but like
half a dozen or a dozen other countries
have sent have sent probes around the
moon and they all take pictures of all
the various Apollo sites. So, you can
see the remnants of the lander and the
rover and all that stuff.
So.
>> Hm.
>> They all got paid. I
>> Well, well, why did Why did um
Buzz Aldrin
who's still alive
>> Mhm.
>> Why did he tell that this little girl in
an interview say, "We never left."? You
You seen that one?
>> He didn't say that. So, he was talking
about going back. He said that they
didn't go back after the Apollo program
ended.
>> Okay, cuz I swear to God he said we
never went.
>> He didn't say we never went.
In fact, he punches Bart Sibrel in the
face when he harasses him. Bart Sibrel
is a great clip of of Buzz Aldrin
punching Bart Sibrel in the face.
>> saw that.
>> Yeah.
That's That's what happens when you try
to tell Buzz Aldrin that we didn't go to
the moon.
>> guy was being annoying.
>> Oh, he's the worst.
>> Bart Sibrel is the guy that came out
with the original book. Did he not work
at NASA?
>> No, he didn't work at NASA. Absolutely
>> Well, well, I don't know. Well, let me
ask this. The original myth about the
the the how the whole rumor I heard that
there was a guy who who wasn't part I
mean, just worked at NASA, but he wasn't
a scientist or something. He wrote a
book and then it kind of it kind of came
up again in the internet and then people
started reading this book and stuff, but
this guy had no
>> Yeah, no he wasn't an engineer or
anything. He was a writer. He just wrote
Yeah, for for Rocketdyne, I think it was
Yeah, for some company that was
contracted by NASA to build something,
but yeah.
>> So he just wrote that book and then it
got picked up later.
>> He's just some [\h__\h] Yeah.
>> Oh, okay.
>> What what about fire, bro? If there is
no atmosphere and there's no oxygen, how
do
>> atmosphere
and no oxygen, how did they get the
thruster working?
>> Yeah, so
There's not like huge flames. There's
not like huge flames. It's just it
creates thrust.
>> need something to ignite, right? You
need oxygen to ignite. You can't have
>> Yeah, they they liquid oxygen is fuel.
>> Someone said Dave said Dave's going to
tell his friends I just schooled a bunch
of black dudes.
>> No, you don't have to make it a race
thing, man. We're all just people I just
schooled a bunch of black dudes that
don't know [\h__\h] about space travel [\h__\h]
>> Nothing like that.
>> First of all, Neil deGrasse Tyson
schooled me, too. Shut up.
>> Okay. So let me just run through a
couple more things that we know about
the lunar surface. So we did the lunar
rover and the the dust and everything.
Then all of the images countless images.
It is physically impossible to evenly
light the entire lunar surface that is
visible with anything other than a
singular distant light source, which is
the sun.
If this was done in some kind of studio
with a with one local light source, you
would have diverging or you would have
diverging shadows. If you had multiple
light sources, you would have you would
have multiple shadows. If you tried to
comp them together, the gradient would
not match.
So there's no way to fake those images.
Absolutely not possible.
Um
>> Okay.
>> Then moving on to the composition of the
moon rock. So most of the most of the
landing most of the landings we or maybe
all of them, I'm not sure, but we have
always brought back a ton of moon rocks.
And so the geological features of these
rocks there's no there's no hydrated
minerals. There's unique oxygen isotopes
that are not found here. There's micro
meteorite glass that's formed in the
vacuum of space. There's solar wind
implanted noble gas compounds. There's
just a bunch of geological features that
make it that these rocks cannot be from
Earth. It's not possible. Um
so that would be one.
Uh let's see. Oh, we left uh reflectors
there. We left reflectors so that we
could bounce lasers off of them to
measure the distance to the moon with
sub-centimeter precision. Um and uh so
yeah, those are there. Anybody can uh
bounce lasers off of these mirrors that
we left there. So that's is another one.
Um that's
>> photos of those things, reflectors?
>> Uh yeah, totally.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. I mean there there really is
>> I mean I wasn't even with you, bro.
>> What one thing that Godfrey said in the
other episode, you said something about
asking like where's the footage in all
the other missions. Um there's just an
enormous archive of hours and hours and
hours of footage and thousands and
thousands of images of every single
uh mission that was on the lunar
surface. So and you can go and you can
find these
So all of this stuff is very well
documented. And I mean it's like if
you're going to I understand the
thinking behind the the political motive
to fake uh Apollo 11. But the fact is
that we we went to the vicinity of the
moon nine times. Six times we landed.
Who is who is going to be faking hours
and hours of footage and thousands and
thousands of images um for something
where Russia could very very easily
verify. Right, the the problem of saying
we didn't go is that we all watched
these rockets take off. If they're not
going to the moon, where are they going?
Are they sitting in
>> went into the sky and then fell off.
>> Okay, find me the footage of the rocket
falling back down to the ground. It's
not there.
>> They didn't tape them. Nobody had phones
back then. It just fell off somewhere in
Pacific Ocean and nobody sees it.
>> Right. Okay.
>> It just Don't you think it would be
easier to make up this whole thing and
tell everybody like, "Hey, we went to
the moon
>> With all due respect, you sound
ridiculous.
>> I'm just I'm just It's a valid concern.
>> But the stick But the stick with this
political angle. Look, so the Russia is
watching everything. It's very trivial
to track these spacecraft and everything
they do. All the way down to watching
the lander, watching what the lander was
doing. And so, it would be so trivial to
to to disprove this stuff. And so, if
you're if you're if you're what you want
to say is that Russia just didn't feel
like um like blowing the whistle on
this, then what you're saying is that
all of the space race didn't mean
anything in the first place. And so,
what would be the motive to go to the
moon in the first place if there were no
high stakes here to do this.
>> What about if Russia did blow the
whistle in their country and our media
didn't cover? And then like look at
Russia right now, you say nothing can go
past them. They can literally beat
Ukraine right now. They're losing to
Ukraine.
So, do you think they had an eye on
entire globe and say like they didn't go
to the moon? They're probably
>> Like dude, that's a good job of the
>> Russia was Russia was tracking every
step of the way, everything that every
that the that Apollo 11 was doing. They
were watching all of it. It's it's not
that hard to do
even with the technology of the time.
You they were watching the lander,
everything that was happening. You can
see it.
>> And also people got to travel. Someone
said like, you know, that kind of speed
that you got to have to get to moon.
>> Mhm.
>> That's a lot of speed for a human being.
And we never did that before and we
don't know what happens to the human
composition. So, like we're right now
afraid to send boots into Iran. And
you're telling me they just sent like
two random white dudes to the moon.
And like not really think about all that
stuff.
>> But what what do you say Okay, so speed,
what do you mean What do you mean?
>> it's like it's like I don't know how
many million miles away and and you get
there in like a weekend.
>> What is that? The moon is 280 what?
Dave, it's 280,000
>> Someone in the chat asked, "How is How
does a human travel
238,900 miles. Yeah, it's far away and
it goes fast. Yeah, but so
And how And a human can travel It's a
rocket. It's a rocket ship.
Well, okay. So, here's the thing. Speed
doesn't do anything to a human body.
Acceleration does. Only when you're
accelerating or decelerating do you feel
anything. When you're
when you're in an inertial reference
frame if you're not accelerating it's
it's the same as if you're just sitting
when when you're on a plane you can feel
the landing and the takeoff obviously,
right? When you're at a cruising
altitude
and you're and there's no turbulence,
you're going 500 miles an hour or more.
It you're just sitting in a chair. It
doesn't nothing's happening. So, yes,
you accelerate. I mean,
I mean, during the during the takeoff
from Earth's surface the Gs are
enormous. You definitely feel that.
Once you're up outside of Earth's
atmosphere, yes, you have to continue
where you they go around the Earth and
then they do the translunar injection.
So, they do have to accelerate there,
but they're already going very very very
fast. You're going very you're whipping
around really fast in Earth orbit. You
go around the Earth every 90 minutes
when you're in LEO.
So, yes, they do have to accelerate to
do the translunar injection, but yeah, I
mean, you feel some
you only feel acceleration. Once they
hit that
that that speed and then they're
cruising and then they're actually
slowing down slightly along the way
because of Earth's gravity kind of
tugging at them a little bit. Um but
yeah, you don't feel motion at constant
velocity. There's no there's no way to
feel that.
>> If you have to carry like that much
oxygen and fuel to go that many miles
and then come back, that's a lot of lot
of fuel.
>> Is it?
Why? Why do you think that?
>> I mean, it's like
>> How much is it? How much fuel do you
need? What's the math? What's the mass
of the command module and how much fuel
do you need?
>> world right now. I mean, the tanks are
worth like each each airplane tanks is
like what? 35,000 L?
>> Okay. So, you understand that the vacuum
of space is frictionless, right? There's
no air to push against. There's no
ground to to roll across. You have to
deal with getting out of Earth's gravity
well, so you don't you do need to
accelerate. But frictionless space, if
you're away from any massive body and
you you could just push something and it
will go forever.
>> Mhm.
>> That's how space works.
>> Okay, the the Newton's law like if you
don't stop it, it keeps going, right?
>> Yes, Newton's first law.
>> motion tend Things in motion tend to
stay in motion. Yeah. Stay in motion.
Got you.
>> So, that's how the universe works.
Earth's surface is a special case where
we have all of these sources of friction
like air and uh you know, rolling along
a the ground or something like that.
That So, that's what's interesting
interesting about Newton's laws is
they're not that intuitive. What what's
in motion stays in motion. It's actually
not It kind of doesn't make sense.
Um right? If you throw a ball, it stops.
If you roll a ball, it stops eventually,
right? So, it seems like Newton would be
wrong, but no. In the vacuum of space,
unperturbed by any other force, it does,
right? You could You could uh you know,
fire on the thrusters for for an hour
and whatever velocity you achieve when
you turn off the thrusters, that's the
speed you're going forever. Right?
Unless something acts on you.
>> But you still have to come to a break
because now you're saying like you know,
when they go there, they have to find a
precise place to land and it's not like
like right now the capsules, they
parachute down and they didn't parachute
down. They landed.
>> Yeah, yeah. You slow down. You You get
to the vicinity of the moon and you slow
down and then you And then the lunar
lander detaches from the from the
command module and and that has
thrusters, right? It has to It It has It
has to slow the descent to somewhat of a
calm landing.
Um
>> It just seems like right now I
>> It's NASA. Like they know how to do this
[\h__\h] you know? Like
>> No, I don't Yeah, yeah. I just
>> I I also read that now they don't have
the the notes on how they did it. Like
is that true or not?
>> No, we know how it all did all this
stuff.
>> That's one of the reasons they're not
going.
>> They lost everything?
>> What do you mean they're not going? They
are going. They went. Are they They just
went 2 months ago.
>> you all these facts that you like. I've
read on you I've got a Reddit that
>> They didn't They didn't land yet.
They're saying
>> Okay, they didn't land, but I explained
to you why they didn't land because
we're not trying to do with the Apollo
missions there. What would be the
purpose of just sending two people in a
tiny lunar lander to just walk around
and go, "Hey, we're back again." Why the
[\h__\h] would we spend billions of dollars
to do that? There's no reason to do
that.
>> You just explained how much money that
cost.
>> They have a rover.
>> The goal The goal of the Artemis program
is to begin establishing a lunar base, a
permanent lunar base, like ISS, right?
ISS, there's always people in there.
We're going to have humans always on the
moon. Uh and it's way harder to do that,
right? Building a lunar base is so
unbelievably more complicated than just,
"Hey, I'm here. Check it out. We did it.
We landed." I mean, it's an unbelievable
accomplishment, right? The The Apollo
program was one of the most incredible
scientific and engineering achievements
of all time, but we already did it,
right? We want to do something bet-
bigger now. So, that's why Artemis isn't
just landing and going, "Hey, what's
up?" Like there's no reason to do that.
>> I don't know, bro. If it's that easy,
why are they not selling tickets?
>> It wasn't easy. It's not easy.
It's hard as hell. It was super hard.
>> He didn't say it was easy.
>> He said it was
>> Good question. Obvious question, Dave.
>> I can't believe you switched, bro. I
tell you I'm on your side.
>> I'm not switching. He He's been
explaining it thoroughly. I mean, why
would I shut the [\h__\h] up? I'm not going
to try to try to make up some [\h__\h]
Well, what about
>> Well, what about
>> No, I don't know.
>> No, I had valid doubts. I had to ask
them.
>> Just call Dave a [\h__\h] and then we can
move on.
>> No, bro. I'm not like that, bro.
>> Dave Dave, the SpaceX now that that the
the payload it comes back to Earth now,
yes?
>> Mhm.
>> Is So, is how does that affect the whole
process money-wise and everything?
Because normally we would lose those
you'd have to build another one, right?
>> Uh yeah, so I mean the idea is is
reusable stuff, but they have to be so
much bigger because again the the
payload that we're trying to transport
to the moon. Right, we're trying You can
You can Google You can Google image
There's There's artist renderings of
what they intend the the lunar lander
for Artemis missions to look like, and
they're [\h__\h] huge. They're huge. It's
this huge rocket that's going to land on
the moon and then take off again. It's
totally different from the Apollo
missions because they're going to bring
They have to bring stuff to build a
base, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Uh we're we're building a somewhere to
live on the moon permanently. So, it's
not like a rinky-dink, you know, a
little tin can like going down there.
>> building on the moon to live on the
moon?
>> Yeah.
>> That sounds stupid.
>> to be a hell of a
>> I got to We're going to [\h__\h] around and
mess up our moon and then that's it.
>> I mean they're
>> How mess it up how? I mean
>> need like a building? You just put a
tent there. There's no atmosphere to
mess it up.
>> A tent?
>> All right.
>> There's no atmosphere. Like you got no
friction. What what you got to worry
about?
>> You should submit a design to NASA and
see if they take a chance.
>> Hey man, uh okay. He's working too hard.
>> Yeah, Vishnu is.
>> Yeah.
>> I can't believe
>> Dave was confident. He goes, "Let me
explain it."
>> He goes, "Anything else Anything else,
Dave, you want to cover?"
>> Not really. I mean, there's there's
other stuff that that you guys don't
bring up, right? There's other stuff
that moon landing deniers talk about
like Van Allen radiation belts and stuff
like that, but if those aren't things
that you guys put forward as reasons to
doubt it, so I don't have any reason to
to debunk it. I did two very thorough
videos on debunking moon landing denial,
so anybody watching if they want to see
that to me tear into Bart Sibrel, the
the fraud.
Um those are on my channel. If you want
to see really the full absolutely
everything about it. So.
>> Well, that was great. Thank you for that
explanation and the clarity.
>> Absolutely. Always here for you guys.
>> Appreciate that, dude.
>> Dave, thanks.
>> I still have my doubts. I still have my
doubts, but thanks, bro.
>> Thank you guys. No, it's that's fine.
>> science [\h__\h] we'll call you back up,
dude.
>> we made some progress. Yeah, happy to do
it anytime.
>> One small step.
>> Peace.
>> Take it easy, guys. Yeah.
>> That was cool.
>> That was great.
>> That was Yeah.