1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,230 Hey everyone. Many of you saw my recent 2 00:00:02,230 --> 00:00:02,240 Hey everyone. Many of you saw my recent 3 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,550 Hey everyone. Many of you saw my recent video debunking Kai Dickens and her 4 00:00:04,550 --> 00:00:04,560 video debunking Kai Dickens and her 5 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:06,550 video debunking Kai Dickens and her garbage podcast called The Telepathy 6 00:00:06,550 --> 00:00:06,560 garbage podcast called The Telepathy 7 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:08,549 garbage podcast called The Telepathy Tapes. Most of you were pleased to see 8 00:00:08,549 --> 00:00:08,559 Tapes. Most of you were pleased to see 9 00:00:08,559 --> 00:00:10,549 Tapes. Most of you were pleased to see such a grifter exposed, but one person 10 00:00:10,549 --> 00:00:10,559 such a grifter exposed, but one person 11 00:00:10,559 --> 00:00:12,549 such a grifter exposed, but one person who didn't like it very much was Kai 12 00:00:12,549 --> 00:00:12,559 who didn't like it very much was Kai 13 00:00:12,559 --> 00:00:14,950 who didn't like it very much was Kai Dickens. She was desperate to get my 14 00:00:14,950 --> 00:00:14,960 Dickens. She was desperate to get my 15 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,189 Dickens. She was desperate to get my video off the internet, and she sure did 16 00:00:17,189 --> 00:00:17,199 video off the internet, and she sure did 17 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:19,189 video off the internet, and she sure did try her best. So, let's talk about what 18 00:00:19,189 --> 00:00:19,199 try her best. So, let's talk about what 19 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:20,710 try her best. So, let's talk about what happened and drag her through the mud 20 00:00:20,710 --> 00:00:20,720 happened and drag her through the mud 21 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,870 happened and drag her through the mud for it, shall we? If you didn't watch 22 00:00:22,870 --> 00:00:22,880 for it, shall we? If you didn't watch 23 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,550 for it, shall we? If you didn't watch the video I'm talking about, you should 24 00:00:24,550 --> 00:00:24,560 the video I'm talking about, you should 25 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,390 the video I'm talking about, you should probably do that first, or none of this 26 00:00:26,390 --> 00:00:26,400 probably do that first, or none of this 27 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,310 probably do that first, or none of this will make much sense. But to give you 28 00:00:28,310 --> 00:00:28,320 will make much sense. But to give you 29 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,550 will make much sense. But to give you the most succinct summary possible, 30 00:00:30,550 --> 00:00:30,560 the most succinct summary possible, 31 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,870 the most succinct summary possible, Kai's podcast is about how severely 32 00:00:32,870 --> 00:00:32,880 Kai's podcast is about how severely 33 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,549 Kai's podcast is about how severely autistic children have psychic 34 00:00:34,549 --> 00:00:34,559 autistic children have psychic 35 00:00:34,559 --> 00:00:37,350 autistic children have psychic abilities. They don't. So Kai has to lie 36 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:37,360 abilities. They don't. So Kai has to lie 37 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,350 abilities. They don't. So Kai has to lie a lot and spew a bunch of pseudocience 38 00:00:39,350 --> 00:00:39,360 a lot and spew a bunch of pseudocience 39 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,110 a lot and spew a bunch of pseudocience to sell this narrative. Much of it 40 00:00:41,110 --> 00:00:41,120 to sell this narrative. Much of it 41 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,869 to sell this narrative. Much of it centers around a technique called 42 00:00:42,869 --> 00:00:42,879 centers around a technique called 43 00:00:42,879 --> 00:00:45,430 centers around a technique called facilitated communication, where an aid 44 00:00:45,430 --> 00:00:45,440 facilitated communication, where an aid 45 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,229 facilitated communication, where an aid assists an autistic child in pointing at 46 00:00:48,229 --> 00:00:48,239 assists an autistic child in pointing at 47 00:00:48,239 --> 00:00:49,910 assists an autistic child in pointing at letters to spell out something they want 48 00:00:49,910 --> 00:00:49,920 letters to spell out something they want 49 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,069 letters to spell out something they want to say. But of course, it's really just 50 00:00:52,069 --> 00:00:52,079 to say. But of course, it's really just 51 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:54,069 to say. But of course, it's really just the facilitator subconsciously spelling 52 00:00:54,069 --> 00:00:54,079 the facilitator subconsciously spelling 53 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:56,069 the facilitator subconsciously spelling for the child. And we showed a bunch of 54 00:00:56,069 --> 00:00:56,079 for the child. And we showed a bunch of 55 00:00:56,079 --> 00:00:57,990 for the child. And we showed a bunch of footage from a documentary that shows 56 00:00:57,990 --> 00:00:58,000 footage from a documentary that shows 57 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,830 footage from a documentary that shows how the kids are very transparently not 58 00:00:59,830 --> 00:00:59,840 how the kids are very transparently not 59 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,990 how the kids are very transparently not the ones communicating as they are often 60 00:01:01,990 --> 00:01:02,000 the ones communicating as they are often 61 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,189 the ones communicating as they are often looking in a completely different 62 00:01:03,189 --> 00:01:03,199 looking in a completely different 63 00:01:03,199 --> 00:01:05,590 looking in a completely different direction during the process. A scandal 64 00:01:05,590 --> 00:01:05,600 direction during the process. A scandal 65 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,510 direction during the process. A scandal broke out because some facilitators 66 00:01:07,510 --> 00:01:07,520 broke out because some facilitators 67 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:08,950 broke out because some facilitators started communicating that these 68 00:01:08,950 --> 00:01:08,960 started communicating that these 69 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,270 started communicating that these children were being sexually abused by 70 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:11,280 children were being sexually abused by 71 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,590 children were being sexually abused by parents. So the law got involved and 72 00:01:13,590 --> 00:01:13,600 parents. So the law got involved and 73 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,590 parents. So the law got involved and experts were hired to figure out whether 74 00:01:15,590 --> 00:01:15,600 experts were hired to figure out whether 75 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,749 experts were hired to figure out whether these claims could genuinely have been 76 00:01:17,749 --> 00:01:17,759 these claims could genuinely have been 77 00:01:17,759 --> 00:01:19,830 these claims could genuinely have been coming from the children. An expert 78 00:01:19,830 --> 00:01:19,840 coming from the children. An expert 79 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,990 coming from the children. An expert designed a few brilliant studies whereby 80 00:01:21,990 --> 00:01:22,000 designed a few brilliant studies whereby 81 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,749 designed a few brilliant studies whereby the child was secretly shown something 82 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:23,759 the child was secretly shown something 83 00:01:23,759 --> 00:01:25,510 the child was secretly shown something different from the facilitator and the 84 00:01:25,510 --> 00:01:25,520 different from the facilitator and the 85 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,190 different from the facilitator and the facilitator would spell out what they 86 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:27,200 facilitator would spell out what they 87 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,109 facilitator would spell out what they had seen rather than the child, thus 88 00:01:29,109 --> 00:01:29,119 had seen rather than the child, thus 89 00:01:29,119 --> 00:01:30,789 had seen rather than the child, thus proving conclusively that the children 90 00:01:30,789 --> 00:01:30,799 proving conclusively that the children 91 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:33,109 proving conclusively that the children are not the ones communicating. Kai not 92 00:01:33,109 --> 00:01:33,119 are not the ones communicating. Kai not 93 00:01:33,119 --> 00:01:34,950 are not the ones communicating. Kai not only ignores all of this crucial 94 00:01:34,950 --> 00:01:34,960 only ignores all of this crucial 95 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,030 only ignores all of this crucial research, but she attempts to vilify 96 00:01:37,030 --> 00:01:37,040 research, but she attempts to vilify 97 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,109 research, but she attempts to vilify anyone who elucidates the enormous 98 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:39,119 anyone who elucidates the enormous 99 00:01:39,119 --> 00:01:41,350 anyone who elucidates the enormous problems with facilitated communication, 100 00:01:41,350 --> 00:01:41,360 problems with facilitated communication, 101 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,749 problems with facilitated communication, which has been rebranded as spell to 102 00:01:43,749 --> 00:01:43,759 which has been rebranded as spell to 103 00:01:43,759 --> 00:01:46,310 which has been rebranded as spell to communicate or other such phrases. This 104 00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:46,320 communicate or other such phrases. This 105 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:48,630 communicate or other such phrases. This is what Kai uses to push this grift 106 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:48,640 is what Kai uses to push this grift 107 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,789 is what Kai uses to push this grift today along with a healthy smattering of 108 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:50,799 today along with a healthy smattering of 109 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:52,950 today along with a healthy smattering of quantum mysticism in an attempt to 110 00:01:52,950 --> 00:01:52,960 quantum mysticism in an attempt to 111 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,950 quantum mysticism in an attempt to substantiate the grift scientifically 112 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:54,960 substantiate the grift scientifically 113 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,630 substantiate the grift scientifically and open avenues for related 114 00:01:56,630 --> 00:01:56,640 and open avenues for related 115 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,109 and open avenues for related pseudocience. She's a monster who praise 116 00:01:59,109 --> 00:01:59,119 pseudocience. She's a monster who praise 117 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:00,709 pseudocience. She's a monster who praise on vulnerable parents of severely 118 00:02:00,709 --> 00:02:00,719 on vulnerable parents of severely 119 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:02,550 on vulnerable parents of severely autistic children. And she deserves 120 00:02:02,550 --> 00:02:02,560 autistic children. And she deserves 121 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,469 autistic children. And she deserves nothing but mockery and humiliation 122 00:02:04,469 --> 00:02:04,479 nothing but mockery and humiliation 123 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:06,149 nothing but mockery and humiliation until she stops making content 124 00:02:06,149 --> 00:02:06,159 until she stops making content 125 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,309 until she stops making content altogether. So that's the long and short 126 00:02:08,309 --> 00:02:08,319 altogether. So that's the long and short 127 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:10,469 altogether. So that's the long and short of it. And my video explains what I just 128 00:02:10,469 --> 00:02:10,479 of it. And my video explains what I just 129 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:12,710 of it. And my video explains what I just told you in extreme detail, proving 130 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:12,720 told you in extreme detail, proving 131 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,790 told you in extreme detail, proving conclusively that Kai is a complete 132 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:14,800 conclusively that Kai is a complete 133 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,190 conclusively that Kai is a complete fraud. knowingly pushing falsehoods to 134 00:02:17,190 --> 00:02:17,200 fraud. knowingly pushing falsehoods to 135 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,510 fraud. knowingly pushing falsehoods to make money with her podcast as well as a 136 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:19,520 make money with her podcast as well as a 137 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,070 make money with her podcast as well as a film she has coming out soon. Kai didn't 138 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:22,080 film she has coming out soon. Kai didn't 139 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,390 film she has coming out soon. Kai didn't appreciate the bad press from my debunk, 140 00:02:24,390 --> 00:02:24,400 appreciate the bad press from my debunk, 141 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,229 appreciate the bad press from my debunk, which didn't perform incredibly well, 142 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:26,239 which didn't perform incredibly well, 143 00:02:26,239 --> 00:02:27,990 which didn't perform incredibly well, but still with a couple hundred thousand 144 00:02:27,990 --> 00:02:28,000 but still with a couple hundred thousand 145 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,309 but still with a couple hundred thousand views, it's a big problem for her, even 146 00:02:30,309 --> 00:02:30,319 views, it's a big problem for her, even 147 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:32,550 views, it's a big problem for her, even more so now with her new movie and the 148 00:02:32,550 --> 00:02:32,560 more so now with her new movie and the 149 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,390 more so now with her new movie and the second season of her [\h__\h] podcast 150 00:02:34,390 --> 00:02:34,400 second season of her [\h__\h] podcast 151 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,949 second season of her [\h__\h] podcast recently released. So, she did what any 152 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:36,959 recently released. So, she did what any 153 00:02:36,959 --> 00:02:39,030 recently released. So, she did what any shameless fraud would do. She tried to 154 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:39,040 shameless fraud would do. She tried to 155 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,430 shameless fraud would do. She tried to get my video banned from YouTube. I woke 156 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:41,440 get my video banned from YouTube. I woke 157 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,509 get my video banned from YouTube. I woke up one day to the news that my video had 158 00:02:43,509 --> 00:02:43,519 up one day to the news that my video had 159 00:02:43,519 --> 00:02:45,750 up one day to the news that my video had been removed entirely and I was dealt a 160 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:45,760 been removed entirely and I was dealt a 161 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,670 been removed entirely and I was dealt a copyright strike. This had never 162 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:47,680 copyright strike. This had never 163 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,910 copyright strike. This had never happened to me before. I've received not 164 00:02:49,910 --> 00:02:49,920 happened to me before. I've received not 165 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,309 happened to me before. I've received not actual strikes, but copyright claims 166 00:02:52,309 --> 00:02:52,319 actual strikes, but copyright claims 167 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:54,390 actual strikes, but copyright claims plenty of times. Some claims are 168 00:02:54,390 --> 00:02:54,400 plenty of times. Some claims are 169 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,390 plenty of times. Some claims are legitimate and I have to mute a portion 170 00:02:56,390 --> 00:02:56,400 legitimate and I have to mute a portion 171 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,229 legitimate and I have to mute a portion of audio where the video I'm commenting 172 00:02:58,229 --> 00:02:58,239 of audio where the video I'm commenting 173 00:02:58,239 --> 00:03:00,470 of audio where the video I'm commenting on plays a copyrighted song. That's 174 00:03:00,470 --> 00:03:00,480 on plays a copyrighted song. That's 175 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,229 on plays a copyrighted song. That's annoying, but it's just how things work 176 00:03:02,229 --> 00:03:02,239 annoying, but it's just how things work 177 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:04,229 annoying, but it's just how things work and I have to deal with it. Some claims 178 00:03:04,229 --> 00:03:04,239 and I have to deal with it. Some claims 179 00:03:04,239 --> 00:03:05,830 and I have to deal with it. Some claims are not legitimate because they are just 180 00:03:05,830 --> 00:03:05,840 are not legitimate because they are just 181 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,830 are not legitimate because they are just claiming content that I am commenting on 182 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:07,840 claiming content that I am commenting on 183 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,390 claiming content that I am commenting on via fair use. whether those are angrily 184 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:10,400 via fair use. whether those are angrily 185 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,470 via fair use. whether those are angrily filed by the person I'm debunking or 186 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:12,480 filed by the person I'm debunking or 187 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,309 filed by the person I'm debunking or it's just some automatic algorithm 188 00:03:14,309 --> 00:03:14,319 it's just some automatic algorithm 189 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:16,869 it's just some automatic algorithm popping off. I can test those and in the 190 00:03:16,869 --> 00:03:16,879 popping off. I can test those and in the 191 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:19,030 popping off. I can test those and in the worst case scenario, income is put in 192 00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:19,040 worst case scenario, income is put in 193 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,110 worst case scenario, income is put in escrow for 30 days and I get it back 194 00:03:21,110 --> 00:03:21,120 escrow for 30 days and I get it back 195 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,589 escrow for 30 days and I get it back later. So, this also is not a big deal. 196 00:03:23,589 --> 00:03:23,599 later. So, this also is not a big deal. 197 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:25,830 later. So, this also is not a big deal. But this was different. My video was 198 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:25,840 But this was different. My video was 199 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,229 But this was different. My video was completely removed from YouTube. I 200 00:03:28,229 --> 00:03:28,239 completely removed from YouTube. I 201 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:29,990 completely removed from YouTube. I didn't even know this was possible and I 202 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:30,000 didn't even know this was possible and I 203 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,750 didn't even know this was possible and I don't really know how she did it. And I 204 00:03:31,750 --> 00:03:31,760 don't really know how she did it. And I 205 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,589 don't really know how she did it. And I know for a fact it was her because the 206 00:03:33,589 --> 00:03:33,599 know for a fact it was her because the 207 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:35,110 know for a fact it was her because the email address of the claimant was 208 00:03:35,110 --> 00:03:35,120 email address of the claimant was 209 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,229 email address of the claimant was provided info@the telepathytapes.com. 210 00:03:38,229 --> 00:03:38,239 provided info@the telepathytapes.com. 211 00:03:38,239 --> 00:03:40,470 provided info@the telepathytapes.com. And on the player page, the claimant was 212 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:40,480 And on the player page, the claimant was 213 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,589 And on the player page, the claimant was listed as the telepathytapes LLC. Well, 214 00:03:43,589 --> 00:03:43,599 listed as the telepathytapes LLC. Well, 215 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:45,430 listed as the telepathytapes LLC. Well, unfortunately for her, I was able to 216 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:45,440 unfortunately for her, I was able to 217 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,509 unfortunately for her, I was able to appeal and after a period of 10 days, 218 00:03:47,509 --> 00:03:47,519 appeal and after a period of 10 days, 219 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:49,430 appeal and after a period of 10 days, the strike was removed and the video was 220 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:49,440 the strike was removed and the video was 221 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,509 the strike was removed and the video was reinstated. Now, you could think that 222 00:03:51,509 --> 00:03:51,519 reinstated. Now, you could think that 223 00:03:51,519 --> 00:03:53,430 reinstated. Now, you could think that I'm making a big deal over very little, 224 00:03:53,430 --> 00:03:53,440 I'm making a big deal over very little, 225 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,110 I'm making a big deal over very little, and you wouldn't be completely wrong. 226 00:03:55,110 --> 00:03:55,120 and you wouldn't be completely wrong. 227 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,710 and you wouldn't be completely wrong. People love clicking on videos that 228 00:03:56,710 --> 00:03:56,720 People love clicking on videos that 229 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,470 People love clicking on videos that reference censorship and I like people 230 00:03:58,470 --> 00:03:58,480 reference censorship and I like people 231 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,229 reference censorship and I like people clicking on my videos. But there is 232 00:04:00,229 --> 00:04:00,239 clicking on my videos. But there is 233 00:04:00,239 --> 00:04:02,309 clicking on my videos. But there is actually more to discuss here. Once the 234 00:04:02,309 --> 00:04:02,319 actually more to discuss here. Once the 235 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:03,990 actually more to discuss here. Once the video got removed, people started 236 00:04:03,990 --> 00:04:04,000 video got removed, people started 237 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,589 video got removed, people started talking about it. Like in this Twitter 238 00:04:05,589 --> 00:04:05,599 talking about it. Like in this Twitter 239 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:07,589 talking about it. Like in this Twitter thread, and it became clear that this is 240 00:04:07,589 --> 00:04:07,599 thread, and it became clear that this is 241 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:09,910 thread, and it became clear that this is a pattern of behavior from Kai. She 242 00:04:09,910 --> 00:04:09,920 a pattern of behavior from Kai. She 243 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,830 a pattern of behavior from Kai. She attempts to censor any content that 244 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:11,840 attempts to censor any content that 245 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,229 attempts to censor any content that exposes her grift, just like she did to 246 00:04:14,229 --> 00:04:14,239 exposes her grift, just like she did to 247 00:04:14,239 --> 00:04:17,110 exposes her grift, just like she did to Janice Boon, an educator and advocate 248 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:17,120 Janice Boon, an educator and advocate 249 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,030 Janice Boon, an educator and advocate for evidence-based practices in the 250 00:04:19,030 --> 00:04:19,040 for evidence-based practices in the 251 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,030 for evidence-based practices in the field of communications, sciences, and 252 00:04:21,030 --> 00:04:21,040 field of communications, sciences, and 253 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,670 field of communications, sciences, and disorders. About a year ago, she used a 254 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:23,680 disorders. About a year ago, she used a 255 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,830 disorders. About a year ago, she used a very short clip from Kai's content to 256 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:25,840 very short clip from Kai's content to 257 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,070 very short clip from Kai's content to debunk facilitated communication related 258 00:04:28,070 --> 00:04:28,080 debunk facilitated communication related 259 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,950 debunk facilitated communication related claims on her own channel called FC is 260 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:30,960 claims on her own channel called FC is 261 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,350 claims on her own channel called FC is not science. And indeed, it isn't, as 262 00:04:33,350 --> 00:04:33,360 not science. And indeed, it isn't, as 263 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,189 not science. And indeed, it isn't, as we've known for decades, which is why 264 00:04:35,189 --> 00:04:35,199 we've known for decades, which is why 265 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:36,950 we've known for decades, which is why it's astounding that Kai is still trying 266 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:36,960 it's astounding that Kai is still trying 267 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,950 it's astounding that Kai is still trying to push this crap. Here's the funny 268 00:04:38,950 --> 00:04:38,960 to push this crap. Here's the funny 269 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,110 to push this crap. Here's the funny part. Janice's video had only a few 270 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:41,120 part. Janice's video had only a few 271 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,270 part. Janice's video had only a few thousand views, and it featured only a 272 00:04:43,270 --> 00:04:43,280 thousand views, and it featured only a 273 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:45,830 thousand views, and it featured only a very short clip from Kai's content. It 274 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:45,840 very short clip from Kai's content. It 275 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:47,749 very short clip from Kai's content. It wasn't a video dedicated to debunking 276 00:04:47,749 --> 00:04:47,759 wasn't a video dedicated to debunking 277 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:50,310 wasn't a video dedicated to debunking Kai specifically. Regardless, Kai tried 278 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:50,320 Kai specifically. Regardless, Kai tried 279 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,629 Kai specifically. Regardless, Kai tried to take it down. Janice fought it. The 280 00:04:52,629 --> 00:04:52,639 to take it down. Janice fought it. The 281 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:54,790 to take it down. Janice fought it. The video was reinstated and it sparked a 282 00:04:54,790 --> 00:04:54,800 video was reinstated and it sparked a 283 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,870 video was reinstated and it sparked a minor controversy. The debacle was 284 00:04:56,870 --> 00:04:56,880 minor controversy. The debacle was 285 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,870 minor controversy. The debacle was covered in the American Saga where 286 00:04:58,870 --> 00:04:58,880 covered in the American Saga where 287 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,710 covered in the American Saga where Janice talked about how she was clearly 288 00:05:00,710 --> 00:05:00,720 Janice talked about how she was clearly 289 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,950 Janice talked about how she was clearly being bullied into silence. It was also 290 00:05:02,950 --> 00:05:02,960 being bullied into silence. It was also 291 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,870 being bullied into silence. It was also covered in the Skeptical Inquirer, which 292 00:05:04,870 --> 00:05:04,880 covered in the Skeptical Inquirer, which 293 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,270 covered in the Skeptical Inquirer, which is a very popular magazine. So clearly, 294 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:07,280 is a very popular magazine. So clearly, 295 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:09,189 is a very popular magazine. So clearly, this pathetic attempt at censorship, 296 00:05:09,189 --> 00:05:09,199 this pathetic attempt at censorship, 297 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:12,150 this pathetic attempt at censorship, blew up in Kai's face spectacularly. And 298 00:05:12,150 --> 00:05:12,160 blew up in Kai's face spectacularly. And 299 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,150 blew up in Kai's face spectacularly. And yet, she didn't seem to learn her 300 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:14,160 yet, she didn't seem to learn her 301 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,710 yet, she didn't seem to learn her lesson. She wasn't able to bully a very 302 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:16,720 lesson. She wasn't able to bully a very 303 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,710 lesson. She wasn't able to bully a very small channel into submission, but 304 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:18,720 small channel into submission, but 305 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,390 small channel into submission, but somehow she thought that going after 306 00:05:20,390 --> 00:05:20,400 somehow she thought that going after 307 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,390 somehow she thought that going after mine was going to work out for her. I'm 308 00:05:22,390 --> 00:05:22,400 mine was going to work out for her. I'm 309 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,950 mine was going to work out for her. I'm much bigger, much louder, and much more 310 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:24,960 much bigger, much louder, and much more 311 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,870 much bigger, much louder, and much more vindictive. But what can you say? 312 00:05:26,870 --> 00:05:26,880 vindictive. But what can you say? 313 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,029 vindictive. But what can you say? Grifters tend to be pretty stupid. 314 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:29,039 Grifters tend to be pretty stupid. 315 00:05:29,039 --> 00:05:30,790 Grifters tend to be pretty stupid. Anyway, with all of that context 316 00:05:30,790 --> 00:05:30,800 Anyway, with all of that context 317 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,029 Anyway, with all of that context understood, let's chat with Janice so we 318 00:05:33,029 --> 00:05:33,039 understood, let's chat with Janice so we 319 00:05:33,039 --> 00:05:34,790 understood, let's chat with Janice so we can get to the bottom of precisely what 320 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:34,800 can get to the bottom of precisely what 321 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,710 can get to the bottom of precisely what her content reveals that was so 322 00:05:36,710 --> 00:05:36,720 her content reveals that was so 323 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,870 her content reveals that was so threatening to Kai and talk about what 324 00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:38,880 threatening to Kai and talk about what 325 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,629 threatening to Kai and talk about what we can do to deal with her and other 326 00:05:40,629 --> 00:05:40,639 we can do to deal with her and other 327 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:42,710 we can do to deal with her and other similar frauds moving forward. enjoy 328 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:42,720 similar frauds moving forward. enjoy 329 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,390 similar frauds moving forward. enjoy this conversation. Now, 330 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:44,400 this conversation. Now, 331 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,909 this conversation. Now, >> Janice, thanks so much for joining me. 332 00:05:45,909 --> 00:05:45,919 >> Janice, thanks so much for joining me. 333 00:05:45,919 --> 00:05:47,430 >> Janice, thanks so much for joining me. Uh, why don't we just start? You can 334 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:47,440 Uh, why don't we just start? You can 335 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,870 Uh, why don't we just start? You can tell us a little bit about your 336 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:48,880 tell us a little bit about your 337 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,469 tell us a little bit about your background, what you do for work, and 338 00:05:50,469 --> 00:05:50,479 background, what you do for work, and 339 00:05:50,479 --> 00:05:52,710 background, what you do for work, and and you know, h how you came to this, 340 00:05:52,710 --> 00:05:52,720 and you know, h how you came to this, 341 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,270 and you know, h how you came to this, >> how I came to FC. Um, well, I was a 342 00:05:55,270 --> 00:05:55,280 >> how I came to FC. Um, well, I was a 343 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:57,909 >> how I came to FC. Um, well, I was a speech language clinician in the public 344 00:05:57,909 --> 00:05:57,919 speech language clinician in the public 345 00:05:57,919 --> 00:06:00,710 speech language clinician in the public schools around 1990 346 00:06:00,710 --> 00:06:00,720 schools around 1990 347 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,469 schools around 1990 and um that's when facilitated 348 00:06:04,469 --> 00:06:04,479 and um that's when facilitated 349 00:06:04,479 --> 00:06:06,629 and um that's when facilitated communication came to the United States. 350 00:06:06,629 --> 00:06:06,639 communication came to the United States. 351 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:10,790 communication came to the United States. So it got to my school system around um 352 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:10,800 So it got to my school system around um 353 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,710 So it got to my school system around um 1992 354 00:06:12,710 --> 00:06:12,720 1992 355 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,510 1992 and um a student had moved into our 356 00:06:15,510 --> 00:06:15,520 and um a student had moved into our 357 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,670 and um a student had moved into our district that was using facilitated 358 00:06:17,670 --> 00:06:17,680 district that was using facilitated 359 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,590 district that was using facilitated communication and came with a 360 00:06:19,590 --> 00:06:19,600 communication and came with a 361 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,510 communication and came with a facilitator. So, um, as a speech 362 00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:23,520 facilitator. So, um, as a speech 363 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,990 facilitator. So, um, as a speech language person, I mean, we didn't 364 00:06:25,990 --> 00:06:26,000 language person, I mean, we didn't 365 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,309 language person, I mean, we didn't really know what we were dealing with, 366 00:06:28,309 --> 00:06:28,319 really know what we were dealing with, 367 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:30,469 really know what we were dealing with, but as a speech language person, we 368 00:06:30,469 --> 00:06:30,479 but as a speech language person, we 369 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:34,870 but as a speech language person, we decided to that I would kind of um 370 00:06:34,870 --> 00:06:34,880 decided to that I would kind of um 371 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,749 decided to that I would kind of um explore facilitated communication 372 00:06:37,749 --> 00:06:37,759 explore facilitated communication 373 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:41,029 explore facilitated communication and um, I worked with the facilitator 374 00:06:41,029 --> 00:06:41,039 and um, I worked with the facilitator 375 00:06:41,039 --> 00:06:44,390 and um, I worked with the facilitator first, which was that's was pretty 376 00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:44,400 first, which was that's was pretty 377 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,950 first, which was that's was pretty common at that time. And then I took the 378 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:46,960 common at that time. And then I took the 379 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,390 common at that time. And then I took the the facil the training after I'd been 380 00:06:50,390 --> 00:06:50,400 the facil the training after I'd been 381 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,909 the facil the training after I'd been using it um for a little bit and that 382 00:06:53,909 --> 00:06:53,919 using it um for a little bit and that 383 00:06:53,919 --> 00:06:56,550 using it um for a little bit and that was through the University of Maine um 384 00:06:56,550 --> 00:06:56,560 was through the University of Maine um 385 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,790 was through the University of Maine um which was our local university. Um and 386 00:07:00,790 --> 00:07:00,800 which was our local university. Um and 387 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,950 which was our local university. Um and then through that I don't know how much 388 00:07:02,950 --> 00:07:02,960 then through that I don't know how much 389 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,749 then through that I don't know how much of my story you want me to get into but 390 00:07:05,749 --> 00:07:05,759 of my story you want me to get into but 391 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,390 of my story you want me to get into but >> well we can I mean this is I think 392 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:08,400 >> well we can I mean this is I think 393 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,150 >> well we can I mean this is I think what's most fascinating to me is that I 394 00:07:10,150 --> 00:07:10,160 what's most fascinating to me is that I 395 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,830 what's most fascinating to me is that I sort of came to this I I hadn't heard 396 00:07:11,830 --> 00:07:11,840 sort of came to this I I hadn't heard 397 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,350 sort of came to this I I hadn't heard anything about facilitated communication 398 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:13,360 anything about facilitated communication 399 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,950 anything about facilitated communication or anything when I made that first 400 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:14,960 or anything when I made that first 401 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,110 or anything when I made that first video. So all of this was new to me and 402 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:17,120 video. So all of this was new to me and 403 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,990 video. So all of this was new to me and when I came upon these stories about uh 404 00:07:19,990 --> 00:07:20,000 when I came upon these stories about uh 405 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,830 when I came upon these stories about uh especially when those scandals broke out 406 00:07:21,830 --> 00:07:21,840 especially when those scandals broke out 407 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,790 especially when those scandals broke out about the facilitators um making these 408 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:24,800 about the facilitators um making these 409 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,029 about the facilitators um making these accusations of of the sexual misconduct 410 00:07:27,029 --> 00:07:27,039 accusations of of the sexual misconduct 411 00:07:27,039 --> 00:07:29,189 accusations of of the sexual misconduct and stuff, my first inclination is to 412 00:07:29,189 --> 00:07:29,199 and stuff, my first inclination is to 413 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:31,110 and stuff, my first inclination is to go, oh my gosh, who are these horrible 414 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:31,120 go, oh my gosh, who are these horrible 415 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,110 go, oh my gosh, who are these horrible horrible facilitators that are doing 416 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:33,120 horrible facilitators that are doing 417 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,309 horrible facilitators that are doing this? But then I started to realize no 418 00:07:36,309 --> 00:07:36,319 this? But then I started to realize no 419 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:39,430 this? But then I started to realize no many of them once these tests were done 420 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:39,440 many of them once these tests were done 421 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,870 many of them once these tests were done to show that the facilitators are 422 00:07:40,870 --> 00:07:40,880 to show that the facilitators are 423 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,270 to show that the facilitators are communicating were were very taken back 424 00:07:43,270 --> 00:07:43,280 communicating were were very taken back 425 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,189 communicating were were very taken back and honest and like I didn't know now 426 00:07:45,189 --> 00:07:45,199 and honest and like I didn't know now 427 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:46,950 and honest and like I didn't know now they've done the research so they change 428 00:07:46,950 --> 00:07:46,960 they've done the research so they change 429 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,950 they've done the research so they change you know so it's actually really 430 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:48,960 you know so it's actually really 431 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,230 you know so it's actually really interesting to be talking to somebody 432 00:07:50,230 --> 00:07:50,240 interesting to be talking to somebody 433 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,070 interesting to be talking to somebody like you that that sort of lived through 434 00:07:52,070 --> 00:07:52,080 like you that that sort of lived through 435 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,830 like you that that sort of lived through all of this. Um what was your did were 436 00:07:55,830 --> 00:07:55,840 all of this. Um what was your did were 437 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,029 all of this. Um what was your did were what was your perspective? I mean 438 00:07:57,029 --> 00:07:57,039 what was your perspective? I mean 439 00:07:57,039 --> 00:07:58,869 what was your perspective? I mean obviously you heard about all these 440 00:07:58,869 --> 00:07:58,879 obviously you heard about all these 441 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:00,629 obviously you heard about all these scandals breaking out and then you oh 442 00:08:00,629 --> 00:08:00,639 scandals breaking out and then you oh 443 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:03,110 scandals breaking out and then you oh you didn't hear about them like what how 444 00:08:03,110 --> 00:08:03,120 you didn't hear about them like what how 445 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,390 you didn't hear about them like what how part of the scandal. 446 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:04,400 part of the scandal. 447 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:04,710 part of the scandal. >> Okay. 448 00:08:04,710 --> 00:08:04,720 >> Okay. 449 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,110 >> Okay. >> I I was actually part of the scandal. 450 00:08:07,110 --> 00:08:07,120 >> I I was actually part of the scandal. 451 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,830 >> I I was actually part of the scandal. So, we started using facilitated 452 00:08:09,830 --> 00:08:09,840 So, we started using facilitated 453 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,390 So, we started using facilitated communication. One thing to know is that 454 00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:12,400 communication. One thing to know is that 455 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,950 communication. One thing to know is that in the workshops at that time, I'm I'm 456 00:08:14,950 --> 00:08:14,960 in the workshops at that time, I'm I'm 457 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,629 in the workshops at that time, I'm I'm not sure what they're teaching now, but 458 00:08:16,629 --> 00:08:16,639 not sure what they're teaching now, but 459 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:18,790 not sure what they're teaching now, but at that time, they were teaching that 460 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:18,800 at that time, they were teaching that 461 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,710 at that time, they were teaching that that these um students or uh for us it 462 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:22,720 that these um students or uh for us it 463 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,070 that these um students or uh for us it would be students cuz I was in the 464 00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:24,080 would be students cuz I was in the 465 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,070 would be students cuz I was in the public school um would be to expect 466 00:08:28,070 --> 00:08:28,080 public school um would be to expect 467 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,230 public school um would be to expect disclosures because this is the first 468 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:30,240 disclosures because this is the first 469 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,430 disclosures because this is the first time that they have had the opportunity 470 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:33,440 time that they have had the opportunity 471 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,269 time that they have had the opportunity to communicate independently. So, they 472 00:08:35,269 --> 00:08:35,279 to communicate independently. So, they 473 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:38,230 to communicate independently. So, they might have pent up anger or stories or 474 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:38,240 might have pent up anger or stories or 475 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,670 might have pent up anger or stories or whatever. So the seed was kind of 476 00:08:39,670 --> 00:08:39,680 whatever. So the seed was kind of 477 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:41,589 whatever. So the seed was kind of planted in your head that 478 00:08:41,589 --> 00:08:41,599 planted in your head that 479 00:08:41,599 --> 00:08:43,829 planted in your head that >> as a facilitator 480 00:08:43,829 --> 00:08:43,839 >> as a facilitator 481 00:08:43,839 --> 00:08:48,150 >> as a facilitator you might get disclosures of um abuse or 482 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:48,160 you might get disclosures of um abuse or 483 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,949 you might get disclosures of um abuse or whatever something going on at home. And 484 00:08:50,949 --> 00:08:50,959 whatever something going on at home. And 485 00:08:50,959 --> 00:08:54,790 whatever something going on at home. And the other thing that that like and I say 486 00:08:54,790 --> 00:08:54,800 the other thing that that like and I say 487 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,670 the other thing that that like and I say this looking back 30 I mean it's been 30 488 00:08:57,670 --> 00:08:57,680 this looking back 30 I mean it's been 30 489 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:00,630 this looking back 30 I mean it's been 30 years right? So I've had lots of time to 490 00:09:00,630 --> 00:09:00,640 years right? So I've had lots of time to 491 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,470 years right? So I've had lots of time to kind of deconstruct it and I've learned 492 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:02,480 kind of deconstruct it and I've learned 493 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,389 kind of deconstruct it and I've learned a lot about facilitated communication. 494 00:09:04,389 --> 00:09:04,399 a lot about facilitated communication. 495 00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:07,509 a lot about facilitated communication. So this is all through the eyes of now 496 00:09:07,509 --> 00:09:07,519 So this is all through the eyes of now 497 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:09,030 So this is all through the eyes of now more than back then. 498 00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:09,040 more than back then. 499 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:09,910 more than back then. >> Yes, of course. 500 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:09,920 >> Yes, of course. 501 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:15,670 >> Yes, of course. >> Um but um at the time the they also and 502 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:15,680 >> Um but um at the time the they also and 503 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,910 >> Um but um at the time the they also and they still teach this that that FC is 504 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:17,920 they still teach this that that FC is 505 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,910 they still teach this that that FC is based on trust. So the person really 506 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:19,920 based on trust. So the person really 507 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,710 based on trust. So the person really trusts you. Um they don't facilitate 508 00:09:22,710 --> 00:09:22,720 trusts you. Um they don't facilitate 509 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,470 trusts you. Um they don't facilitate with just anybody. 510 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:24,480 with just anybody. 511 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,949 with just anybody. >> Um and and that really that trust bond 512 00:09:26,949 --> 00:09:26,959 >> Um and and that really that trust bond 513 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:29,430 >> Um and and that really that trust bond is really and the faith-based aspect of 514 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:29,440 is really and the faith-based aspect of 515 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,630 is really and the faith-based aspect of FC is really what makes FC work. 516 00:09:32,630 --> 00:09:32,640 FC is really what makes FC work. 517 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,389 FC is really what makes FC work. >> Yeah. It it's not a communication 518 00:09:34,389 --> 00:09:34,399 >> Yeah. It it's not a communication 519 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:36,870 >> Yeah. It it's not a communication technique. Exactly. In that respect, 520 00:09:36,870 --> 00:09:36,880 technique. Exactly. In that respect, 521 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,550 technique. Exactly. In that respect, >> that makes sense. Yeah. There's a 522 00:09:38,550 --> 00:09:38,560 >> that makes sense. Yeah. There's a 523 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:41,430 >> that makes sense. Yeah. There's a cult-like aspect to it. So, when when it 524 00:09:41,430 --> 00:09:41,440 cult-like aspect to it. So, when when it 525 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,030 cult-like aspect to it. So, when when it came out, when it started to come out 526 00:09:43,030 --> 00:09:43,040 came out, when it started to come out 527 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,790 came out, when it started to come out that the empirical basis for it was 528 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:44,800 that the empirical basis for it was 529 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,790 that the empirical basis for it was absolutely crumbling, what was it like 530 00:09:46,790 --> 00:09:46,800 absolutely crumbling, what was it like 531 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,790 absolutely crumbling, what was it like on the interior, were there factions, 532 00:09:48,790 --> 00:09:48,800 on the interior, were there factions, 533 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,230 on the interior, were there factions, like some people go, "Well, that's what 534 00:09:50,230 --> 00:09:50,240 like some people go, "Well, that's what 535 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,389 like some people go, "Well, that's what the data says." Or and people who are 536 00:09:52,389 --> 00:09:52,399 the data says." Or and people who are 537 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:54,150 the data says." Or and people who are like, "No, this is ridiculous. We're 538 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:54,160 like, "No, this is ridiculous. We're 539 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,829 like, "No, this is ridiculous. We're really doing this." Like, what did that 540 00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:55,839 really doing this." Like, what did that 541 00:09:55,839 --> 00:10:00,949 really doing this." Like, what did that look like? H well um the the the actual 542 00:10:00,949 --> 00:10:00,959 look like? H well um the the the actual 543 00:10:00,959 --> 00:10:03,030 look like? H well um the the the actual testing actually took place in Australia 544 00:10:03,030 --> 00:10:03,040 testing actually took place in Australia 545 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,949 testing actually took place in Australia before it even got to the United States. 546 00:10:04,949 --> 00:10:04,959 before it even got to the United States. 547 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:06,710 before it even got to the United States. They had already debunked it, but we 548 00:10:06,710 --> 00:10:06,720 They had already debunked it, but we 549 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,389 They had already debunked it, but we didn't know that in the United States. 550 00:10:08,389 --> 00:10:08,399 didn't know that in the United States. 551 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:08,870 didn't know that in the United States. Mhm. 552 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:08,880 Mhm. 553 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,829 Mhm. >> Um and so um about the same time that so 554 00:10:13,829 --> 00:10:13,839 >> Um and so um about the same time that so 555 00:10:13,839 --> 00:10:15,990 >> Um and so um about the same time that so in my case it led to false allegations 556 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:16,000 in my case it led to false allegations 557 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,470 in my case it led to false allegations of abuse and um the reason that came up 558 00:10:20,470 --> 00:10:20,480 of abuse and um the reason that came up 559 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,710 of abuse and um the reason that came up was that my students started to hit me 560 00:10:22,710 --> 00:10:22,720 was that my students started to hit me 561 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,750 was that my students started to hit me and scratch me and um 562 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:25,760 and scratch me and um 563 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:26,389 and scratch me and um >> wow. 564 00:10:26,389 --> 00:10:26,399 >> wow. 565 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:28,949 >> wow. >> She probably just wanted to me to be out 566 00:10:28,949 --> 00:10:28,959 >> She probably just wanted to me to be out 567 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:30,550 >> She probably just wanted to me to be out of her space, right? Mhm. 568 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:30,560 of her space, right? Mhm. 569 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:32,389 of her space, right? Mhm. >> Like that's really probably what all 570 00:10:32,389 --> 00:10:32,399 >> Like that's really probably what all 571 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:35,990 >> Like that's really probably what all that was. Um in my head with with my 572 00:10:35,990 --> 00:10:36,000 that was. Um in my head with with my 573 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,150 that was. Um in my head with with my training and and just, you know, like 574 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:38,160 training and and just, you know, like 575 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,829 training and and just, you know, like whatever. Um my thought was, "Oh, she's 576 00:10:41,829 --> 00:10:41,839 whatever. Um my thought was, "Oh, she's 577 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:44,230 whatever. Um my thought was, "Oh, she's breaking that trust bond between us, so 578 00:10:44,230 --> 00:10:44,240 breaking that trust bond between us, so 579 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,590 breaking that trust bond between us, so why would that happen?" And 580 00:10:47,590 --> 00:10:47,600 why would that happen?" And 581 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,509 why would that happen?" And um my leap in my head was and other 582 00:10:51,509 --> 00:10:51,519 um my leap in my head was and other 583 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:53,269 um my leap in my head was and other people that we were discussing the 584 00:10:53,269 --> 00:10:53,279 people that we were discussing the 585 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:54,949 people that we were discussing the situation with was, "Well, maybe there's 586 00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:54,959 situation with was, "Well, maybe there's 587 00:10:54,959 --> 00:10:57,509 situation with was, "Well, maybe there's something going on at home." So once you 588 00:10:57,509 --> 00:10:57,519 something going on at home." So once you 589 00:10:57,519 --> 00:11:00,069 something going on at home." So once you have that seed planted and then you have 590 00:11:00,069 --> 00:11:00,079 have that seed planted and then you have 591 00:11:00,079 --> 00:11:02,710 have that seed planted and then you have a DHS interview and all that, then false 592 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:02,720 a DHS interview and all that, then false 593 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,870 a DHS interview and all that, then false allegations of abuse came out. 594 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:04,880 allegations of abuse came out. 595 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:05,269 allegations of abuse came out. >> Yeah. 596 00:11:05,269 --> 00:11:05,279 >> Yeah. 597 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:08,310 >> Yeah. >> Um and then the testing. So I was taught 598 00:11:08,310 --> 00:11:08,320 >> Um and then the testing. So I was taught 599 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,870 >> Um and then the testing. So I was taught that I wasn't supposed to participate in 600 00:11:10,870 --> 00:11:10,880 that I wasn't supposed to participate in 601 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,470 that I wasn't supposed to participate in testing. 602 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:12,480 testing. 603 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,069 testing. That's against the rules. You're 604 00:11:14,069 --> 00:11:14,079 That's against the rules. You're 605 00:11:14,079 --> 00:11:16,470 That's against the rules. You're supposed to presume competence, right? 606 00:11:16,470 --> 00:11:16,480 supposed to presume competence, right? 607 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,470 supposed to presume competence, right? And the testing, they say the testing is 608 00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:20,480 And the testing, they say the testing is 609 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,949 And the testing, they say the testing is really confrontational and the the 610 00:11:22,949 --> 00:11:22,959 really confrontational and the the 611 00:11:22,959 --> 00:11:25,670 really confrontational and the the researchers want the testing to fail. 612 00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:25,680 researchers want the testing to fail. 613 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:27,910 researchers want the testing to fail. And so as a facilitator, you've got this 614 00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:27,920 And so as a facilitator, you've got this 615 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,630 And so as a facilitator, you've got this in your head that you're not supposed to 616 00:11:30,630 --> 00:11:30,640 in your head that you're not supposed to 617 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,150 in your head that you're not supposed to test it. But in my case, 618 00:11:34,150 --> 00:11:34,160 test it. But in my case, 619 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,030 test it. But in my case, uh, what do you do? Like there's false 620 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:37,040 uh, what do you do? Like there's false 621 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,030 uh, what do you do? Like there's false allegations of abuse 622 00:11:39,030 --> 00:11:39,040 allegations of abuse 623 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,829 allegations of abuse >> and we have to test this, right? We have 624 00:11:41,829 --> 00:11:41,839 >> and we have to test this, right? We have 625 00:11:41,839 --> 00:11:43,990 >> and we have to test this, right? We have to determine the whether it's possible 626 00:11:43,990 --> 00:11:44,000 to determine the whether it's possible 627 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,030 to determine the whether it's possible for these 628 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:45,040 for these 629 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,509 for these >> kids to be communicating these these 630 00:11:47,509 --> 00:11:47,519 >> kids to be communicating these these 631 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:48,310 >> kids to be communicating these these things. 632 00:11:48,310 --> 00:11:48,320 things. 633 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,389 things. >> If it's real, that's horrible, right? 634 00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:50,399 >> If it's real, that's horrible, right? 635 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:51,910 >> If it's real, that's horrible, right? And coming out through facilitated 636 00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:51,920 And coming out through facilitated 637 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,150 And coming out through facilitated communication. If the facilitator is 638 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:56,160 communication. If the facilitator is 639 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,870 communication. If the facilitator is fabricating these, 640 00:11:58,870 --> 00:11:58,880 fabricating these, 641 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,230 fabricating these, that's terrible too. 642 00:12:00,230 --> 00:12:00,240 that's terrible too. 643 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,030 that's terrible too. >> Yeah. 644 00:12:01,030 --> 00:12:01,040 >> Yeah. 645 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,310 >> Yeah. >> And so I participated in the testing 646 00:12:04,310 --> 00:12:04,320 >> And so I participated in the testing 647 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,230 >> And so I participated in the testing which invol I don't know how much of 648 00:12:06,230 --> 00:12:06,240 which invol I don't know how much of 649 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,790 which invol I don't know how much of that you want me to go into 650 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:08,800 that you want me to go into 651 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:09,430 that you want me to go into testing. 652 00:12:09,430 --> 00:12:09,440 testing. 653 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,230 testing. >> Yeah. In not too many spec specifics 654 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:12,240 >> Yeah. In not too many spec specifics 655 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,750 >> Yeah. In not too many spec specifics because in my first video I did show 656 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:13,760 because in my first video I did show 657 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,750 because in my first video I did show quite a lot of that footage where the 658 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:15,760 quite a lot of that footage where the 659 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,110 quite a lot of that footage where the Yeah. They're the re, you know, the 660 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:17,120 Yeah. They're the re, you know, the 661 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,590 Yeah. They're the re, you know, the researchers showing two different photos 662 00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:19,600 researchers showing two different photos 663 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,829 researchers showing two different photos unbeknownsted to the facilitator and 664 00:12:21,829 --> 00:12:21,839 unbeknownsted to the facilitator and 665 00:12:21,839 --> 00:12:23,829 unbeknownsted to the facilitator and then this and then uh you know the they 666 00:12:23,829 --> 00:12:23,839 then this and then uh you know the they 667 00:12:23,839 --> 00:12:25,350 then this and then uh you know the they they communicate the phrase that they 668 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:25,360 they communicate the phrase that they 669 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,750 they communicate the phrase that they saw not the kids. So like I people if 670 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:27,760 saw not the kids. So like I people if 671 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,110 saw not the kids. So like I people if they saw the first video are more or 672 00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:29,120 they saw the first video are more or 673 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,110 they saw the first video are more or less up to speed. I do want to get your 674 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:31,120 less up to speed. I do want to get your 675 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,190 less up to speed. I do want to get your your take on on all of that and how 676 00:12:33,190 --> 00:12:33,200 your take on on all of that and how 677 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,069 your take on on all of that and how people reacted to it. But then you know 678 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:36,079 people reacted to it. But then you know 679 00:12:36,079 --> 00:12:38,069 people reacted to it. But then you know pretty quickly going to get to I want to 680 00:12:38,069 --> 00:12:38,079 pretty quickly going to get to I want to 681 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:39,590 pretty quickly going to get to I want to talk about the censorship and all that 682 00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:39,600 talk about the censorship and all that 683 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,030 talk about the censorship and all that juicy stuff. Yeah, that's 684 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:41,040 juicy stuff. Yeah, that's 685 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,269 juicy stuff. Yeah, that's >> feel free to feel free to wrap up. 686 00:12:43,269 --> 00:12:43,279 >> feel free to feel free to wrap up. 687 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:46,150 >> feel free to feel free to wrap up. >> Like my my um emails have been exploding 688 00:12:46,150 --> 00:12:46,160 >> Like my my um emails have been exploding 689 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,230 >> Like my my um emails have been exploding over the last couple days. So, 690 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:48,240 over the last couple days. So, 691 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,550 over the last couple days. So, >> so I actually part of the reason why I 692 00:12:50,550 --> 00:12:50,560 >> so I actually part of the reason why I 693 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:52,710 >> so I actually part of the reason why I reached I guess we didn't connect with 694 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:52,720 reached I guess we didn't connect with 695 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,470 reached I guess we didn't connect with emails, but I had reached out to you 696 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:54,480 emails, but I had reached out to you 697 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,150 emails, but I had reached out to you because you actually used part of the 698 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:56,160 because you actually used part of the 699 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,310 because you actually used part of the footage from Prisoners of Silence that I 700 00:12:58,310 --> 00:12:58,320 footage from Prisoners of Silence that I 701 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,990 footage from Prisoners of Silence that I was involved with. I my actual case was 702 00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:02,000 was involved with. I my actual case was 703 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,750 was involved with. I my actual case was on um the when Howard Shane from Boston 704 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:05,760 on um the when Howard Shane from Boston 705 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,670 on um the when Howard Shane from Boston Children's Hospital was showing the file 706 00:13:07,670 --> 00:13:07,680 Children's Hospital was showing the file 707 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:11,030 Children's Hospital was showing the file folder testing that was based on my 708 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:11,040 folder testing that was based on my 709 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:11,590 folder testing that was based on my case. 710 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:11,600 case. 711 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,470 case. >> Mhm. 712 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:12,480 >> Mhm. 713 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,110 >> Mhm. >> So um my experience with that was I 714 00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:17,120 >> So um my experience with that was I 715 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,509 >> So um my experience with that was I didn't know anything about the 716 00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:19,519 didn't know anything about the 717 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:21,350 didn't know anything about the difference between an anecdote and 718 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:21,360 difference between an anecdote and 719 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,670 difference between an anecdote and reliably controlled testing. Even though 720 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:23,680 reliably controlled testing. Even though 721 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:25,190 reliably controlled testing. Even though I'd been through college and stuff, 722 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:25,200 I'd been through college and stuff, 723 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,550 I'd been through college and stuff, that's not something we really talked 724 00:13:26,550 --> 00:13:26,560 that's not something we really talked 725 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,069 that's not something we really talked about that much. Mhm. 726 00:13:28,069 --> 00:13:28,079 about that much. Mhm. 727 00:13:28,079 --> 00:13:30,629 about that much. Mhm. >> Um, so I didn't really know what was 728 00:13:30,629 --> 00:13:30,639 >> Um, so I didn't really know what was 729 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:32,870 >> Um, so I didn't really know what was going on, but during the testing when 730 00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:32,880 going on, but during the testing when 731 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,550 going on, but during the testing when when we were seeing different pictures 732 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:34,560 when we were seeing different pictures 733 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:36,470 when we were seeing different pictures of the same pictures, I could feel 734 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:36,480 of the same pictures, I could feel 735 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,430 of the same pictures, I could feel myself thinking, "Oh, are these pictures 736 00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:39,440 myself thinking, "Oh, are these pictures 737 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,670 myself thinking, "Oh, are these pictures the same or are they different?" And and 738 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:41,680 the same or are they different?" And and 739 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:43,030 the same or are they different?" And and what's going to 740 00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:43,040 what's going to 741 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,629 what's going to >> what are the results going to be? You 742 00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:44,639 >> what are the results going to be? You 743 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:46,949 >> what are the results going to be? You know, I felt myself feeling those 744 00:13:46,949 --> 00:13:46,959 know, I felt myself feeling those 745 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:49,670 know, I felt myself feeling those things, which I think is probably pretty 746 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:49,680 things, which I think is probably pretty 747 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:51,990 things, which I think is probably pretty common. But unless you're in a 748 00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:52,000 common. But unless you're in a 749 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,069 common. But unless you're in a structured situation like that, you're 750 00:13:54,069 --> 00:13:54,079 structured situation like that, you're 751 00:13:54,079 --> 00:13:55,670 structured situation like that, you're just going to it's just going to go in 752 00:13:55,670 --> 00:13:55,680 just going to it's just going to go in 753 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:57,189 just going to it's just going to go in and out of your head really quickly. 754 00:13:57,189 --> 00:13:57,199 and out of your head really quickly. 755 00:13:57,199 --> 00:13:57,990 and out of your head really quickly. >> Yeah. 756 00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:58,000 >> Yeah. 757 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,189 >> Yeah. >> Um anyway, so all of all of the 758 00:14:01,189 --> 00:14:01,199 >> Um anyway, so all of all of the 759 00:14:01,199 --> 00:14:04,949 >> Um anyway, so all of all of the responses were either wrong facilitator 760 00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:04,959 responses were either wrong facilitator 761 00:14:04,959 --> 00:14:06,550 responses were either wrong facilitator guesses. They were spelled right, but 762 00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:06,560 guesses. They were spelled right, but 763 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:08,870 guesses. They were spelled right, but they were facilitator guesses or they 764 00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:08,880 they were facilitator guesses or they 765 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,870 they were facilitator guesses or they were based on information that I had and 766 00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:10,880 were based on information that I had and 767 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,590 were based on information that I had and she didn't. So if I saw a picture of a 768 00:14:13,590 --> 00:14:13,600 she didn't. So if I saw a picture of a 769 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,310 she didn't. So if I saw a picture of a cat, she saw a picture of a tree, the 770 00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:16,320 cat, she saw a picture of a tree, the 771 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,629 cat, she saw a picture of a tree, the facilitated response was cat based on 772 00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:18,639 facilitated response was cat based on 773 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:21,269 facilitated response was cat based on what I had. So after I mean head 774 00:14:21,269 --> 00:14:21,279 what I had. So after I mean head 775 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:24,150 what I had. So after I mean head explode, devastated 776 00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:24,160 explode, devastated 777 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,990 explode, devastated cuz here I am thinking I'm helping this 778 00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:26,000 cuz here I am thinking I'm helping this 779 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,110 cuz here I am thinking I'm helping this kid, right? 780 00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:27,120 kid, right? 781 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,310 kid, right? >> And not only did I not help her, my 782 00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:30,320 >> And not only did I not help her, my 783 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,069 >> And not only did I not help her, my actions actually caused a lot of hurt 784 00:14:32,069 --> 00:14:32,079 actions actually caused a lot of hurt 785 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:34,550 actions actually caused a lot of hurt with that family and and in the end to 786 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:34,560 with that family and and in the end to 787 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,790 with that family and and in the end to myself and lots of people around um 788 00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:38,800 myself and lots of people around um 789 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,150 myself and lots of people around um because of the pseudocientific part of 790 00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:42,160 because of the pseudocientific part of 791 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,790 because of the pseudocientific part of it and and really not questioning it. 792 00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:44,800 it and and really not questioning it. 793 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,550 it and and really not questioning it. >> Yeah. And so what happened after that 794 00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:48,560 >> Yeah. And so what happened after that 795 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,430 >> Yeah. And so what happened after that was the by then the OD hack center the 796 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:51,440 was the by then the OD hack center the 797 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,230 was the by then the OD hack center the the other study that was um featured on 798 00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:54,240 the other study that was um featured on 799 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,790 the other study that was um featured on prisoners of silence those studies 800 00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:56,800 prisoners of silence those studies 801 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,870 prisoners of silence those studies started coming out and for me that that 802 00:15:00,870 --> 00:15:00,880 started coming out and for me that that 803 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,910 started coming out and for me that that was sort of comfort because here these 804 00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:03,920 was sort of comfort because here these 805 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,470 was sort of comfort because here these other facilitators had gone through 806 00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:06,480 other facilitators had gone through 807 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,470 other facilitators had gone through exactly what I had gone through and came 808 00:15:08,470 --> 00:15:08,480 exactly what I had gone through and came 809 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,870 exactly what I had gone through and came out with the same results. So in my head 810 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:10,880 out with the same results. So in my head 811 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:16,389 out with the same results. So in my head I'm like it's FC that is probably the 812 00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:16,399 I'm like it's FC that is probably the 813 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:17,110 I'm like it's FC that is probably the problem. 814 00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:17,120 problem. 815 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:17,590 problem. >> Yes. 816 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:17,600 >> Yes. 817 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,230 >> Yes. >> You know like before that I could say 818 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:20,240 >> You know like before that I could say 819 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,629 >> You know like before that I could say because the the FC people came out right 820 00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:22,639 because the the FC people came out right 821 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:24,870 because the the FC people came out right away and saying I'm the I'm the bad 822 00:15:24,870 --> 00:15:24,880 away and saying I'm the I'm the bad 823 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,189 away and saying I'm the I'm the bad facilitator. The person who trained me 824 00:15:27,189 --> 00:15:27,199 facilitator. The person who trained me 825 00:15:27,199 --> 00:15:29,910 facilitator. The person who trained me actually went on television on a 2020 826 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:29,920 actually went on television on a 2020 827 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,509 actually went on television on a 2020 show to to say that I was trained wrong 828 00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:33,519 show to to say that I was trained wrong 829 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,590 show to to say that I was trained wrong which is which is common with the 830 00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:37,600 which is which is common with the 831 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,629 which is which is common with the leadership. 832 00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:38,639 leadership. 833 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:40,710 leadership. >> Right. Um, they always throw the 834 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:40,720 >> Right. Um, they always throw the 835 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,949 >> Right. Um, they always throw the facilitators under the bus. Yeah, FC 836 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:42,959 facilitators under the bus. Yeah, FC 837 00:15:42,959 --> 00:15:45,030 facilitators under the bus. Yeah, FC works, but the facilitators are bad. 838 00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:45,040 works, but the facilitators are bad. 839 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,350 works, but the facilitators are bad. >> Yeah, that one astrologer doesn't know 840 00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:47,360 >> Yeah, that one astrologer doesn't know 841 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,269 >> Yeah, that one astrologer doesn't know how to read a chart properly. But, but 842 00:15:49,269 --> 00:15:49,279 how to read a chart properly. But, but 843 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:51,509 how to read a chart properly. But, but astrology is true, though. Right. 844 00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:51,519 astrology is true, though. Right. 845 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:53,430 astrology is true, though. Right. >> Right. Yeah. I'm sure it's I'm sure it's 846 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:53,440 >> Right. Yeah. I'm sure it's I'm sure it's 847 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,430 >> Right. Yeah. I'm sure it's I'm sure it's not limited just to facilitating 848 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:55,440 not limited just to facilitating 849 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,389 not limited just to facilitating communication. 850 00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:56,399 communication. 851 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:57,110 communication. >> Yeah. 852 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:57,120 >> Yeah. 853 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:03,269 >> Yeah. >> Um, but in my case, um, 854 00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:03,279 855 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:06,150 the FC community kind of did me a favor 856 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:06,160 the FC community kind of did me a favor 857 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,629 the FC community kind of did me a favor because they shunned me right away. And 858 00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:08,639 because they shunned me right away. And 859 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:10,470 because they shunned me right away. And so the only people that stuck with me 860 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:10,480 so the only people that stuck with me 861 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,550 so the only people that stuck with me were the researchers and the scientists 862 00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:12,560 were the researchers and the scientists 863 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,110 were the researchers and the scientists and the the people that had been 864 00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:15,120 and the the people that had been 865 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,590 and the the people that had been demonized by the 866 00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:17,600 demonized by the 867 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,230 demonized by the by the FC people in the workshops. I got 868 00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:20,240 by the FC people in the workshops. I got 869 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,710 by the FC people in the workshops. I got to meet I got to meet those people. 870 00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:22,720 to meet I got to meet those people. 871 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,030 to meet I got to meet those people. >> Yeah. 872 00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:23,040 >> Yeah. 873 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,629 >> Yeah. >> And 874 00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:24,639 >> And 875 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:27,189 >> And they taught me a lot about why FC can't 876 00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:27,199 they taught me a lot about why FC can't 877 00:16:27,199 --> 00:16:29,670 they taught me a lot about why FC can't work. It can't work as an independent it 878 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:29,680 work. It can't work as an independent it 879 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,629 work. It can't work as an independent it can't 880 00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:30,639 can't 881 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,030 can't >> it's that the the technique itself is 882 00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:33,040 >> it's that the the technique itself is 883 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,949 >> it's that the the technique itself is deeply flawed. It cannot work as an 884 00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:34,959 deeply flawed. It cannot work as an 885 00:16:34,959 --> 00:16:36,710 deeply flawed. It cannot work as an independent form of communication. 886 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:36,720 independent form of communication. 887 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,389 independent form of communication. >> Yeah. Um, so for me going through the 888 00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:40,399 >> Yeah. Um, so for me going through the 889 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:44,710 >> Yeah. Um, so for me going through the testing and then having that um, access 890 00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:44,720 testing and then having that um, access 891 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,350 testing and then having that um, access to scientific information afterwards 892 00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:47,360 to scientific information afterwards 893 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,749 to scientific information afterwards clicked with my brain. It hasn't with 894 00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:49,759 clicked with my brain. It hasn't with 895 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:50,949 clicked with my brain. It hasn't with everybody, 896 00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:50,959 everybody, 897 00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:52,870 everybody, >> but with my brain I was like, "Okay, 898 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:52,880 >> but with my brain I was like, "Okay, 899 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,230 >> but with my brain I was like, "Okay, yeah, it can't work." 900 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:54,240 yeah, it can't work." 901 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,189 yeah, it can't work." >> You know, they're going to they're going 902 00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:55,199 >> You know, they're going to they're going 903 00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:57,110 >> You know, they're going to they're going to actually have to do the testing and 904 00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:57,120 to actually have to do the testing and 905 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,030 to actually have to do the testing and show me that it does work for me to 906 00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:59,040 show me that it does work for me to 907 00:16:59,040 --> 00:16:59,990 show me that it does work for me to believe that it works. 908 00:16:59,990 --> 00:17:00,000 believe that it works. 909 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,550 believe that it works. >> Sure. And you went by the by the, you 910 00:17:02,550 --> 00:17:02,560 >> Sure. And you went by the by the, you 911 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:03,990 >> Sure. And you went by the by the, you know, buy the data and buy the evidence 912 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:04,000 know, buy the data and buy the evidence 913 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,669 know, buy the data and buy the evidence and everything. It's it's honestly it's 914 00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:05,679 and everything. It's it's honestly it's 915 00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:06,710 and everything. It's it's honestly it's really fascinating to talk to you 916 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:06,720 really fascinating to talk to you 917 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,789 really fascinating to talk to you because when I you know again I had no 918 00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:08,799 because when I you know again I had no 919 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:10,390 because when I you know again I had no concept of any of this and I watched 920 00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:10,400 concept of any of this and I watched 921 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,710 concept of any of this and I watched that documentary and I go who are these 922 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:12,720 that documentary and I go who are these 923 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,309 that documentary and I go who are these frauds? They're just taking the finger 924 00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:14,319 frauds? They're just taking the finger 925 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:15,669 frauds? They're just taking the finger and shoving them onto the letters that 926 00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:15,679 and shoving them onto the letters that 927 00:17:15,679 --> 00:17:17,110 and shoving them onto the letters that they want him to go on to while the kid 928 00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:17,120 they want him to go on to while the kid 929 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:19,669 they want him to go on to while the kid is looking in the other direction. So I 930 00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:19,679 is looking in the other direction. So I 931 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:21,669 is looking in the other direction. So I it's it's good for me to kind of check 932 00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:21,679 it's it's good for me to kind of check 933 00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:24,230 it's it's good for me to kind of check my own, you know, approach to it and go, 934 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:24,240 my own, you know, approach to it and go, 935 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,470 my own, you know, approach to it and go, "Okay, hang on. There is something 936 00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:26,480 "Okay, hang on. There is something 937 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,909 "Okay, hang on. There is something happening clinically like they're 938 00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:27,919 happening clinically like they're 939 00:17:27,919 --> 00:17:30,470 happening clinically like they're they're not they thought that that this 940 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:30,480 they're not they thought that that this 941 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,990 they're not they thought that that this was working, right?" So, 942 00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:32,000 was working, right?" So, 943 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,590 was working, right?" So, >> well, you're not you're you're uh you're 944 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:35,600 >> well, you're not you're you're uh you're 945 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,270 >> well, you're not you're you're uh you're kind of primed to um presume competence 946 00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:39,280 kind of primed to um presume competence 947 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,390 kind of primed to um presume competence is what they call it. 948 00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:40,400 is what they call it. 949 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:40,870 is what they call it. >> Yeah. 950 00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:40,880 >> Yeah. 951 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,029 >> Yeah. >> Um so, you're by questioning FC, they 952 00:17:45,029 --> 00:17:45,039 >> Um so, you're by questioning FC, they 953 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:47,669 >> Um so, you're by questioning FC, they they've sort of skewed it so that if you 954 00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:47,679 they've sort of skewed it so that if you 955 00:17:47,679 --> 00:17:50,549 they've sort of skewed it so that if you question the technique of FC, you're 956 00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:50,559 question the technique of FC, you're 957 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:52,710 question the technique of FC, you're questioning people with disabilities. 958 00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:52,720 questioning people with disabilities. 959 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,310 questioning people with disabilities. >> Yes. Of course. That's how they get the 960 00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:54,320 >> Yes. Of course. That's how they get the 961 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,029 >> Yes. Of course. That's how they get the emotional response. Yeah. 962 00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:57,039 emotional response. Yeah. 963 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,830 emotional response. Yeah. >> Right. The other thing was that my local 964 00:17:59,830 --> 00:17:59,840 >> Right. The other thing was that my local 965 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,150 >> Right. The other thing was that my local university was promoting it and 966 00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:04,160 university was promoting it and 967 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,590 university was promoting it and stupid me, naive me was like, "Oh, they 968 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:07,600 stupid me, naive me was like, "Oh, they 969 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,430 stupid me, naive me was like, "Oh, they vetted it. It must be true, 970 00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:09,440 vetted it. It must be true, 971 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,029 vetted it. It must be true, >> right? They they must have gone." And 972 00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:11,039 >> right? They they must have gone." And 973 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:13,830 >> right? They they must have gone." And that's not true either. um in this 974 00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:13,840 that's not true either. um in this 975 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,990 that's not true either. um in this particular case. So the the information 976 00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:18,000 particular case. So the the information 977 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,630 particular case. So the the information that I was getting about FC and how it 978 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:20,640 that I was getting about FC and how it 979 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,710 that I was getting about FC and how it worked is largely misinformation 980 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:24,720 worked is largely misinformation 981 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,310 worked is largely misinformation >> and it's based on emotion rather than 982 00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:28,320 >> and it's based on emotion rather than 983 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,789 >> and it's based on emotion rather than >> evidence. It's emotional manipulation to 984 00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:30,799 >> evidence. It's emotional manipulation to 985 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,110 >> evidence. It's emotional manipulation to disguise a particular grift. Yeah. 986 00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:33,120 disguise a particular grift. Yeah. 987 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:34,070 disguise a particular grift. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. 988 00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:34,080 >> Yeah. Yeah. 989 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,750 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, okay. So, my viewers 990 00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:35,760 >> Yeah. Well, okay. So, my viewers 991 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,190 >> Yeah. Well, okay. So, my viewers definitely came to that conclusion after 992 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:37,200 definitely came to that conclusion after 993 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,029 definitely came to that conclusion after the first video. So, let's let's now get 994 00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:39,039 the first video. So, let's let's now get 995 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:41,270 the first video. So, let's let's now get to the meat of it. What? So, you had a 996 00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:41,280 to the meat of it. What? So, you had a 997 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,310 to the meat of it. What? So, you had a video. You got a strike from Kai. What 998 00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:44,320 video. You got a strike from Kai. What 999 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,549 video. You got a strike from Kai. What was the video? What was in it? And why 1000 00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:46,559 was the video? What was in it? And why 1001 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:48,950 was the video? What was in it? And why what was threatening about it to her? 1002 00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:48,960 what was threatening about it to her? 1003 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,070 what was threatening about it to her? >> Okay. So, I have a I have a website that 1004 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:52,080 >> Okay. So, I have a I have a website that 1005 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,990 >> Okay. So, I have a I have a website that I um co-host called 1006 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:54,000 I um co-host called 1007 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,390 I um co-host called facilitatedcommunication.org 1008 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:56,400 facilitatedcommunication.org 1009 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,110 facilitatedcommunication.org and it's got all kinds of information um 1010 00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:59,120 and it's got all kinds of information um 1011 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:01,750 and it's got all kinds of information um systematic reviews, controlled studies, 1012 00:19:01,750 --> 00:19:01,760 systematic reviews, controlled studies, 1013 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,990 systematic reviews, controlled studies, opposition statements about facilitated 1014 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:04,000 opposition statements about facilitated 1015 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,549 opposition statements about facilitated communication. And also I love that you 1016 00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:06,559 communication. And also I love that you 1017 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:08,789 communication. And also I love that you have that URL and not the people who are 1018 00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:08,799 have that URL and not the people who are 1019 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:10,630 have that URL and not the people who are using it for the grift. That's pretty 1020 00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:10,640 using it for the grift. That's pretty 1021 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:11,190 using it for the grift. That's pretty great. 1022 00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:11,200 great. 1023 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,669 great. >> Yeah. Which uh occasionally we actually 1024 00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:13,679 >> Yeah. Which uh occasionally we actually 1025 00:19:13,679 --> 00:19:16,470 >> Yeah. Which uh occasionally we actually get people emailing us and asking for a 1026 00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:16,480 get people emailing us and asking for a 1027 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,270 get people emailing us and asking for a facilitator and I'm like well actually 1028 00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:19,280 facilitator and I'm like well actually 1029 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,909 facilitator and I'm like well actually FC doesn't work. You know if you here's 1030 00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:21,919 FC doesn't work. You know if you here's 1031 00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:23,750 FC doesn't work. You know if you here's some studies you might want to look at. 1032 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:23,760 some studies you might want to look at. 1033 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,470 some studies you might want to look at. >> Yeah. 1034 00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:24,480 >> Yeah. 1035 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,630 >> Yeah. >> Um anyway so uh uh the telepathy tapes 1036 00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:28,640 >> Um anyway so uh uh the telepathy tapes 1037 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,110 >> Um anyway so uh uh the telepathy tapes came out I believe um December 2024. 1038 00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:33,120 came out I believe um December 2024. 1039 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,750 came out I believe um December 2024. So the beginning of 2025, I started 1040 00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:35,760 So the beginning of 2025, I started 1041 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,830 So the beginning of 2025, I started getting these messages from parents and 1042 00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:39,840 getting these messages from parents and 1043 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,070 getting these messages from parents and um people who support our website and 1044 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:42,080 um people who support our website and 1045 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,669 um people who support our website and have you heard about this telepathy 1046 00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:43,679 have you heard about this telepathy 1047 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:44,470 have you heard about this telepathy tapes thing? 1048 00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:44,480 tapes thing? 1049 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,990 tapes thing? >> Mhm. 1050 00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:46,000 >> Mhm. 1051 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,310 >> Mhm. >> So I listened to it and reviewed it, but 1052 00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:48,320 >> So I listened to it and reviewed it, but 1053 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,190 >> So I listened to it and reviewed it, but I realized that it was a podcast. 1054 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:51,200 I realized that it was a podcast. 1055 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,870 I realized that it was a podcast. Um, and uh, you're not actually I I knew 1056 00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:54,880 Um, and uh, you're not actually I I knew 1057 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,630 Um, and uh, you're not actually I I knew right away that it was facilitated 1058 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:56,640 right away that it was facilitated 1059 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,150 right away that it was facilitated communication 1060 00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:58,160 communication 1061 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,830 communication and um, I paid the 10 bucks to it was 1062 00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:01,840 and um, I paid the 10 bucks to it was 1063 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,750 and um, I paid the 10 bucks to it was behind a payw wall to to see these 1064 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:03,760 behind a payw wall to to see these 1065 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,150 behind a payw wall to to see these telepathy tests that they did in the 1066 00:20:06,150 --> 00:20:06,160 telepathy tests that they did in the 1067 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,909 telepathy tests that they did in the videos. So I so I started doing um 1068 00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:09,919 videos. So I so I started doing um 1069 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:14,950 videos. So I so I started doing um critiques of the I use 16 seconds to 1070 00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:14,960 critiques of the I use 16 seconds to 1071 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,549 critiques of the I use 16 seconds to show um there's there's two different 1072 00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:18,559 show um there's there's two different 1073 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:21,350 show um there's there's two different types like the facilitated communication 1074 00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:21,360 types like the facilitated communication 1075 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,390 types like the facilitated communication has gone down two two roads. One is 1076 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:24,400 has gone down two two roads. One is 1077 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,789 has gone down two two roads. One is touchbased FC which is what I was taught 1078 00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:26,799 touchbased FC which is what I was taught 1079 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:29,190 touchbased FC which is what I was taught where the person holds on to the wrist 1080 00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:29,200 where the person holds on to the wrist 1081 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,789 where the person holds on to the wrist of the person and they point to a 1082 00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:30,799 of the person and they point to a 1083 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:32,549 of the person and they point to a letterboard. 1084 00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:32,559 letterboard. 1085 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:35,110 letterboard. Well, by the mid 1990s, 1086 00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:35,120 Well, by the mid 1990s, 1087 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,870 Well, by the mid 1990s, um that was being debunked and publicly 1088 00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:38,880 um that was being debunked and publicly 1089 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,110 um that was being debunked and publicly and so facilitators um invented this new 1090 00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:43,120 and so facilitators um invented this new 1091 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:45,270 and so facilitators um invented this new form of facilitated communication where 1092 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:45,280 form of facilitated communication where 1093 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,870 form of facilitated communication where the person holds a letterboard in the 1094 00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:46,880 the person holds a letterboard in the 1095 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,590 the person holds a letterboard in the air and the individual points towards 1096 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:49,600 air and the individual points towards 1097 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,590 air and the individual points towards it. And so that's supposed to be 1098 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:51,600 it. And so that's supposed to be 1099 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,390 it. And so that's supposed to be independent communication. And they're 1100 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:54,400 independent communication. And they're 1101 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,029 independent communication. And they're they're um they're leaving out the fact 1102 00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:57,039 they're um they're leaving out the fact 1103 00:20:57,039 --> 00:20:59,990 they're um they're leaving out the fact that the facilitators moving the board 1104 00:20:59,990 --> 00:21:00,000 that the facilitators moving the board 1105 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,470 that the facilitators moving the board around in the air so that the person can 1106 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:02,480 around in the air so that the person can 1107 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,590 around in the air so that the person can select the letters. 1108 00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:03,600 select the letters. 1109 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,510 select the letters. >> Hit this one. Hit this. 1110 00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:05,520 >> Hit this one. Hit this. 1111 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:05,830 >> Hit this one. Hit this. >> Yeah, 1112 00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:05,840 >> Yeah, 1113 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,549 >> Yeah, >> it's ridiculous. 1114 00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:06,559 >> it's ridiculous. 1115 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,310 >> it's ridiculous. >> Well, after watching a bunch of videos, 1116 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:08,320 >> Well, after watching a bunch of videos, 1117 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,789 >> Well, after watching a bunch of videos, like the the person being facilitated 1118 00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:10,799 like the the person being facilitated 1119 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:13,590 like the the person being facilitated has this target like the the like a 1120 00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:13,600 has this target like the the like a 1121 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,430 has this target like the the like a comfortable range of motion. Mhm. 1122 00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:15,440 comfortable range of motion. Mhm. 1123 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,590 comfortable range of motion. Mhm. >> So the facilitator just like moves the 1124 00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:17,600 >> So the facilitator just like moves the 1125 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,149 >> So the facilitator just like moves the board to to hit the finger like where 1126 00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:20,159 board to to hit the finger like where 1127 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:22,310 board to to hit the finger like where it's so the person just has to go like 1128 00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:22,320 it's so the person just has to go like 1129 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,870 it's so the person just has to go like this without any thinking. Anyway, 1130 00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:24,880 this without any thinking. Anyway, 1131 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,390 this without any thinking. Anyway, >> um so uh this person emailed me and 1132 00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:28,400 >> um so uh this person emailed me and 1133 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,070 >> um so uh this person emailed me and said, you know, I get the one where the 1134 00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:32,080 said, you know, I get the one where the 1135 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,149 said, you know, I get the one where the U facilitator is holding on to the 1136 00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:34,159 U facilitator is holding on to the 1137 00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:37,110 U facilitator is holding on to the girl's face and moving around. I get 1138 00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:37,120 girl's face and moving around. I get 1139 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:39,029 girl's face and moving around. I get that that's facilitator queuing, but 1140 00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:39,039 that that's facilitator queuing, but 1141 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:41,350 that that's facilitator queuing, but this other one, 1142 00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:41,360 this other one, 1143 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,590 this other one, they're using rapid prompting method or 1144 00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:43,600 they're using rapid prompting method or 1145 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,070 they're using rapid prompting method or spelling to communicate and it doesn't 1146 00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:46,080 spelling to communicate and it doesn't 1147 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,549 spelling to communicate and it doesn't look like the facilitator is touching 1148 00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:48,559 look like the facilitator is touching 1149 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:52,310 look like the facilitator is touching the client. So um I reviewed that one. 1150 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:52,320 the client. So um I reviewed that one. 1151 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,310 the client. So um I reviewed that one. It's a keel and his mother and um what I 1152 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:56,320 It's a keel and his mother and um what I 1153 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,230 It's a keel and his mother and um what I figured out was that the mother was 1154 00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:58,240 figured out was that the mother was 1155 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,310 figured out was that the mother was using body movements and hand gestures 1156 00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:02,320 using body movements and hand gestures 1157 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,950 using body movements and hand gestures and the she wasn't touching her son. the 1158 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:04,960 and the she wasn't touching her son. the 1159 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,669 and the she wasn't touching her son. the the letterboard was on the floor and he 1160 00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:07,679 the letterboard was on the floor and he 1161 00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:09,669 the letterboard was on the floor and he was touching the letterboard, but she 1162 00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:09,679 was touching the letterboard, but she 1163 00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:12,870 was touching the letterboard, but she was using in my 1164 00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:12,880 was using in my 1165 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,430 was using in my summation, you know, my analysis of the 1166 00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:15,440 summation, you know, my analysis of the 1167 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,549 summation, you know, my analysis of the video was that she was using hand 1168 00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:18,559 video was that she was using hand 1169 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:20,950 video was that she was using hand motions and body mo motions that were in 1170 00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:20,960 motions and body mo motions that were in 1171 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,510 motions and body mo motions that were in his peripheral range to show where on 1172 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:23,520 his peripheral range to show where on 1173 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:24,950 his peripheral range to show where on the letterboard to touch. 1174 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:24,960 the letterboard to touch. 1175 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,470 the letterboard to touch. >> Yeah, I think I saw the video she was 1176 00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:26,480 >> Yeah, I think I saw the video she was 1177 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,390 >> Yeah, I think I saw the video she was kind of like a little more left or like 1178 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:28,400 kind of like a little more left or like 1179 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,830 kind of like a little more left or like a little more she was kind of Yeah. 1180 00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:29,840 a little more she was kind of Yeah. 1181 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,029 a little more she was kind of Yeah. using her hand like 1182 00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:31,039 using her hand like 1183 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:33,190 using her hand like >> and she moved her head back and she 1184 00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:33,200 >> and she moved her head back and she 1185 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,230 >> and she moved her head back and she shifted her body weight back. Um, every 1186 00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:36,240 shifted her body weight back. Um, every 1187 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,710 shifted her body weight back. Um, every once in a while she she'd point down and 1188 00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:38,720 once in a while she she'd point down and 1189 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,830 once in a while she she'd point down and like 1190 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:39,840 like 1191 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:40,230 like >> So, 1192 00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:40,240 >> So, 1193 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,149 >> So, >> and if you watch enough, there's a very 1194 00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:42,159 >> and if you watch enough, there's a very 1195 00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:44,390 >> and if you watch enough, there's a very clear correlation with her movement and 1196 00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:44,400 clear correlation with her movement and 1197 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,870 clear correlation with her movement and his movement and decisions. Yeah. 1198 00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:46,880 his movement and decisions. Yeah. 1199 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,630 his movement and decisions. Yeah. >> Yeah. It depends on the camera angle, 1200 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:48,640 >> Yeah. It depends on the camera angle, 1201 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,310 >> Yeah. It depends on the camera angle, too. Um, they're they're really good. 1202 00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:50,320 too. Um, they're they're really good. 1203 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,070 too. Um, they're they're really good. I've done another one that that shows 1204 00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:52,080 I've done another one that that shows 1205 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,990 I've done another one that that shows that camera angles are are really 1206 00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:54,000 that camera angles are are really 1207 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,630 that camera angles are are really important. 1208 00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:54,640 important. 1209 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,590 important. >> Yeah. 1210 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:55,600 >> Yeah. 1211 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,750 >> Yeah. >> Um, anyway, so I use 16 seconds 1212 00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:59,760 >> Um, anyway, so I use 16 seconds 1213 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,510 >> Um, anyway, so I use 16 seconds of one of their videotapes and they put 1214 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:03,520 of one of their videotapes and they put 1215 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,390 of one of their videotapes and they put a copyright strike on my my vid and I 1216 00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:06,400 a copyright strike on my my vid and I 1217 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,149 a copyright strike on my my vid and I explained what I was seeing and why I 1218 00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:08,159 explained what I was seeing and why I 1219 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:10,149 explained what I was seeing and why I was saying, you know, like facilitator 1220 00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:10,159 was saying, you know, like facilitator 1221 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:12,549 was saying, you know, like facilitator cues and these are were some red flags 1222 00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:12,559 cues and these are were some red flags 1223 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:14,630 cues and these are were some red flags and blahy blah, you know, like 1224 00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:14,640 and blahy blah, you know, like 1225 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,470 and blahy blah, you know, like explaining my position. 1226 00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:16,480 explaining my position. 1227 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,029 explaining my position. >> Mhm. 1228 00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:17,039 >> Mhm. 1229 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:20,070 >> Mhm. >> They put a copyright strike on it. Um 1230 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:20,080 >> They put a copyright strike on it. Um 1231 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,669 >> They put a copyright strike on it. Um and 1232 00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:21,679 and 1233 00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:25,190 and um fortunately there's a lawyer that was 1234 00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:25,200 um fortunately there's a lawyer that was 1235 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,510 um fortunately there's a lawyer that was willing to help me. She's a skeptical 1236 00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:27,520 willing to help me. She's a skeptical 1237 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,750 willing to help me. She's a skeptical person and and saw right through FC and 1238 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:29,760 person and and saw right through FC and 1239 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,549 person and and saw right through FC and telepathy and and offered to help. So, 1240 00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:32,559 telepathy and and offered to help. So, 1241 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,549 telepathy and and offered to help. So, we actually push back. 1242 00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:34,559 we actually push back. 1243 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:36,630 we actually push back. >> Um, it's just a bullying tactic. They 1244 00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:36,640 >> Um, it's just a bullying tactic. They 1245 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,789 >> Um, it's just a bullying tactic. They don't they don't want people to see it. 1246 00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:38,799 don't they don't want people to see it. 1247 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:40,390 don't they don't want people to see it. And if you do see it, they don't want 1248 00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:40,400 And if you do see it, they don't want 1249 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,830 And if you do see it, they don't want you to critique it. 1250 00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:41,840 you to critique it. 1251 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,310 you to critique it. >> They especially don't want to see the no 1252 00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:44,320 >> They especially don't want to see the no 1253 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,350 >> They especially don't want to see the no touch prompting because everybody can 1254 00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:47,360 touch prompting because everybody can 1255 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:48,870 touch prompting because everybody can wrap their head around, well, there he's 1256 00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:48,880 wrap their head around, well, there he's 1257 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,310 wrap their head around, well, there he's just pushing the finger, but then they 1258 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:50,320 just pushing the finger, but then they 1259 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,830 just pushing the finger, but then they go, "No, no, no, this one's not 1260 00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:51,840 go, "No, no, no, this one's not 1261 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,070 go, "No, no, no, this one's not touching." Well, let's debunk that, too. 1262 00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:54,080 touching." Well, let's debunk that, too. 1263 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,990 touching." Well, let's debunk that, too. I think it's especially damning. Yeah. 1264 00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:56,000 I think it's especially damning. Yeah. 1265 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,909 I think it's especially damning. Yeah. >> Right. And that they also don't take 1266 00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:57,919 >> Right. And that they also don't take 1267 00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:01,029 >> Right. And that they also don't take into consideration facilitator vocal 1268 00:24:01,029 --> 00:24:01,039 into consideration facilitator vocal 1269 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:03,750 into consideration facilitator vocal cues either. So that's another whole I 1270 00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:03,760 cues either. So that's another whole I 1271 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,430 cues either. So that's another whole I don't believe she used vocal cues in 1272 00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:05,440 don't believe she used vocal cues in 1273 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,149 don't believe she used vocal cues in this particular one. But when she's 1274 00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:08,159 this particular one. But when she's 1275 00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:12,789 this particular one. But when she's standing um in one room and she's she's 1276 00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:12,799 standing um in one room and she's she's 1277 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,830 standing um in one room and she's she's holding a a board to the camera that 1278 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:15,840 holding a a board to the camera that 1279 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,909 holding a a board to the camera that says house and supposedly is in the 1280 00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:17,919 says house and supposedly is in the 1281 00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:21,269 says house and supposedly is in the background telepathically figuring out 1282 00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:21,279 background telepathically figuring out 1283 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:22,789 background telepathically figuring out that she's spelling out how. She's 1284 00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:22,799 that she's spelling out how. She's 1285 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:24,070 that she's spelling out how. She's giving him vocal cues, 1286 00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:24,080 giving him vocal cues, 1287 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,230 giving him vocal cues, >> right? um to to make that happen. It's 1288 00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:26,240 >> right? um to to make that happen. It's 1289 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,549 >> right? um to to make that happen. It's not telepathy. And see the thing the 1290 00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:28,559 not telepathy. And see the thing the 1291 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,390 not telepathy. And see the thing the thing with that their claims are about 1292 00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:30,400 thing with that their claims are about 1293 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,750 thing with that their claims are about telepathy. And if facilitation doesn't 1294 00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:33,760 telepathy. And if facilitation doesn't 1295 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,870 telepathy. And if facilitation doesn't work, then the telepathy aspect 1296 00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:36,880 work, then the telepathy aspect 1297 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,470 work, then the telepathy aspect completely falls apart. 1298 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:38,480 completely falls apart. 1299 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,110 completely falls apart. >> Mhm. 1300 00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:39,120 >> Mhm. 1301 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,950 >> Mhm. >> So they don't they particularly don't 1302 00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:40,960 >> So they don't they particularly don't 1303 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,110 >> So they don't they particularly don't want people to 1304 00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:43,120 want people to 1305 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,789 want people to uh to debunk the FC part of it. 1306 00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:46,799 uh to debunk the FC part of it. 1307 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:47,510 uh to debunk the FC part of it. >> Yeah. Of course, 1308 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:47,520 >> Yeah. Of course, 1309 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,269 >> Yeah. Of course, >> because they need FC to make the 1310 00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:49,279 >> because they need FC to make the 1311 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,430 >> because they need FC to make the telepathy part work. 1312 00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:51,440 telepathy part work. 1313 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,510 telepathy part work. >> Mhm. 1314 00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:53,520 >> Mhm. 1315 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,430 >> Mhm. Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's clear as 1316 00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:55,440 Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's clear as 1317 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,750 Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's clear as day. Um, I mean, I think it's absolutely 1318 00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:57,760 day. Um, I mean, I think it's absolutely 1319 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,590 day. Um, I mean, I think it's absolutely fascinating. I think what fascinates me 1320 00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:59,600 fascinating. I think what fascinates me 1321 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,549 fascinating. I think what fascinates me the most is that like it backfired so 1322 00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:02,559 the most is that like it backfired so 1323 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,950 the most is that like it backfired so badly. I mean, she like she wasn't able 1324 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:04,960 badly. I mean, she like she wasn't able 1325 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,269 badly. I mean, she like she wasn't able to get this sensor the censorship to 1326 00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:07,279 to get this sensor the censorship to 1327 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,269 to get this sensor the censorship to stick on you. I think that you had 1328 00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:09,279 stick on you. I think that you had 1329 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,669 stick on you. I think that you had mentioned some other uh instances, 1330 00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:11,679 mentioned some other uh instances, 1331 00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:13,830 mentioned some other uh instances, right? Did you uh Susan Gerbick, I think 1332 00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:13,840 right? Did you uh Susan Gerbick, I think 1333 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,750 right? Did you uh Susan Gerbick, I think you mentioned, or was there another case 1334 00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:15,760 you mentioned, or was there another case 1335 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:16,390 you mentioned, or was there another case of censorship? 1336 00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:16,400 of censorship? 1337 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,669 of censorship? >> So, that's happening. Yep. That's 1338 00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:17,679 >> So, that's happening. Yep. That's 1339 00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:19,510 >> So, that's happening. Yep. That's happening right now. And the person I 1340 00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:19,520 happening right now. And the person I 1341 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,029 happening right now. And the person I just learned that the person's pushing 1342 00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:21,039 just learned that the person's pushing 1343 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:25,750 just learned that the person's pushing back. So, um it might be an interesting 1344 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:25,760 back. So, um it might be an interesting 1345 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,029 back. So, um it might be an interesting >> um situation. 1346 00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:27,039 >> um situation. 1347 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:27,430 >> um situation. >> Yeah. 1348 00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:27,440 >> Yeah. 1349 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,390 >> Yeah. >> So, we there's a there's a person. So 1350 00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:30,400 >> So, we there's a there's a person. So 1351 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,870 >> So, we there's a there's a person. So this um FC and telepathy is there's 1352 00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:34,880 this um FC and telepathy is there's 1353 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,510 this um FC and telepathy is there's always been a like a fringe element 1354 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:37,520 always been a like a fringe element 1355 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,149 always been a like a fringe element that's believed that FC and telepathy 1356 00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:40,159 that's believed that FC and telepathy 1357 00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:43,430 that's believed that FC and telepathy have always gone hand in hand like um 1358 00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:43,440 have always gone hand in hand like um 1359 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,909 have always gone hand in hand like um and so this recent with the telepathy 1360 00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:45,919 and so this recent with the telepathy 1361 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:49,669 and so this recent with the telepathy tapes that aspect which has always been 1362 00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:49,679 tapes that aspect which has always been 1363 00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:52,549 tapes that aspect which has always been in the fringe is now in the public view 1364 00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:52,559 in the fringe is now in the public view 1365 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,909 in the fringe is now in the public view and they're they're very adamant that FC 1366 00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:55,919 and they're they're very adamant that FC 1367 00:25:55,919 --> 00:26:00,950 and they're they're very adamant that FC and telepathy are real and um that that 1368 00:26:00,950 --> 00:26:00,960 and telepathy are real and um that that 1369 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,070 and telepathy are real and um that that critics who um 1370 00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:04,080 critics who um 1371 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,029 critics who um uh like complain or or point out 1372 00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:07,039 uh like complain or or point out 1373 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,269 uh like complain or or point out problems with facilitated communication 1374 00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:09,279 problems with facilitated communication 1375 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:12,470 problems with facilitated communication and telepathy again are are ableist and 1376 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:12,480 and telepathy again are are ableist and 1377 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,750 and telepathy again are are ableist and we're all against people with 1378 00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:13,760 we're all against people with 1379 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,950 we're all against people with disabilities and stuff. 1380 00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:14,960 disabilities and stuff. 1381 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,390 disabilities and stuff. >> Of course, always. Right. 1382 00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:16,400 >> Of course, always. Right. 1383 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,990 >> Of course, always. Right. >> I have an autistic son, but I hate 1384 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:18,000 >> I have an autistic son, but I hate 1385 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,430 >> I have an autistic son, but I hate autistic people. Right. Yeah. 1386 00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:19,440 autistic people. Right. Yeah. 1387 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,110 autistic people. Right. Yeah. >> Right. 1388 00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:21,120 >> Right. 1389 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,350 >> Right. Right. 1390 00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:23,360 Right. 1391 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,990 Right. And so I forgot where I was going that 1392 00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:26,000 And so I forgot where I was going that 1393 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,070 And so I forgot where I was going that but um so this case is um somebody's 1394 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:30,080 but um so this case is um somebody's 1395 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,830 but um so this case is um somebody's using rapid prompting methods. So the 1396 00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:31,840 using rapid prompting methods. So the 1397 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,990 using rapid prompting methods. So the kind of FC where the facilitator holds 1398 00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:34,000 kind of FC where the facilitator holds 1399 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,070 kind of FC where the facilitator holds the letterboard in the air. The person 1400 00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:36,080 the letterboard in the air. The person 1401 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,990 the letterboard in the air. The person is blind. 1402 00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:38,000 is blind. 1403 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,710 is blind. He um so for me that's a problem right 1404 00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:40,720 He um so for me that's a problem right 1405 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,230 He um so for me that's a problem right away. 1406 00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:42,240 away. 1407 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,310 away. >> He's not just legally blind, he's 1408 00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:44,320 >> He's not just legally blind, he's 1409 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,470 >> He's not just legally blind, he's actually has detached retinas. So he 1410 00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:46,480 actually has detached retinas. So he 1411 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,830 actually has detached retinas. So he cannot see. His eyes don't work. And 1412 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:49,840 cannot see. His eyes don't work. And 1413 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,430 cannot see. His eyes don't work. And supposedly he's um also telepathic. He 1414 00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:53,440 supposedly he's um also telepathic. He 1415 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,870 supposedly he's um also telepathic. He uses remote remote viewing. So he the 1416 00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:56,880 uses remote remote viewing. So he the 1417 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,830 uses remote remote viewing. So he the the claim is that he he transports 1418 00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:59,840 the claim is that he he transports 1419 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,350 the claim is that he he transports somehow into his um facilitator's eyes 1420 00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:03,360 somehow into his um facilitator's eyes 1421 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,070 somehow into his um facilitator's eyes and that's how he can spell because he 1422 00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:06,080 and that's how he can spell because he 1423 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,789 and that's how he can spell because he looks through the her eyes and sees the 1424 00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:08,799 looks through the her eyes and sees the 1425 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:12,630 looks through the her eyes and sees the letterboard and spells out all these um 1426 00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:12,640 letterboard and spells out all these um 1427 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,830 letterboard and spells out all these um it happens to be like a lot of religious 1428 00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:15,840 it happens to be like a lot of religious 1429 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,110 it happens to be like a lot of religious um messages but it it wouldn't matter 1430 00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:19,120 um messages but it it wouldn't matter 1431 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,110 um messages but it it wouldn't matter what the context is you know he 1432 00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:21,120 what the context is you know he 1433 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,110 what the context is you know he >> sure yeah could spell anything yeah 1434 00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:23,120 >> sure yeah could spell anything yeah 1435 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,630 >> sure yeah could spell anything yeah >> he could spell anything and and So Sus 1436 00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:26,640 >> he could spell anything and and So Sus 1437 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,430 >> he could spell anything and and So Sus Susan and I took about seven less a 1438 00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:31,440 Susan and I took about seven less a 1439 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,070 Susan and I took about seven less a little bit less than 7 minutes of a an 1440 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:34,080 little bit less than 7 minutes of a an 1441 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,350 little bit less than 7 minutes of a an hour and 30 minute interview that the 1442 00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:37,360 hour and 30 minute interview that the 1443 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:42,310 hour and 30 minute interview that the mom did with this this other person. Um, 1444 00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:42,320 mom did with this this other person. Um, 1445 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,950 mom did with this this other person. Um, it's Robbie's World is the is the 1446 00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:44,960 it's Robbie's World is the is the 1447 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,830 it's Robbie's World is the is the YouTube channel that's that's um put the 1448 00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:47,840 YouTube channel that's that's um put the 1449 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,070 YouTube channel that's that's um put the copyright strike 1450 00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:50,080 copyright strike 1451 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,110 copyright strike and we we just kind of looked at 1452 00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:53,120 and we we just kind of looked at 1453 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,669 and we we just kind of looked at facilitator queuing and control. So, you 1454 00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:55,679 facilitator queuing and control. So, you 1455 00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:57,029 facilitator queuing and control. So, you know, let's look at the letterboard 1456 00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:57,039 know, let's look at the letterboard 1457 00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,190 know, let's look at the letterboard moving in the air. Let's look at 1458 00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:59,200 moving in the air. Let's look at 1459 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,350 moving in the air. Let's look at physical queuing. Let's look at if 1460 00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:01,360 physical queuing. Let's look at if 1461 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:03,269 physical queuing. Let's look at if there's any verbal queuing, that kind of 1462 00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:03,279 there's any verbal queuing, that kind of 1463 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:04,630 there's any verbal queuing, that kind of thing. So we 1464 00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:04,640 thing. So we 1465 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,430 thing. So we >> um and and kind of went through all of 1466 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:07,440 >> um and and kind of went through all of 1467 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,710 >> um and and kind of went through all of that and talked about why 1468 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:10,720 that and talked about why 1469 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,029 that and talked about why um it's not likely 1470 00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:13,039 um it's not likely 1471 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:17,110 um it's not likely >> that those messages are are coming from 1472 00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:17,120 >> that those messages are are coming from 1473 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:21,909 >> that those messages are are coming from the client and um we also advocated for 1474 00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:21,919 the client and um we also advocated for 1475 00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:23,750 the client and um we also advocated for double blind testing and if you're not 1476 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:23,760 double blind testing and if you're not 1477 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,789 double blind testing and if you're not sure, you know, like 1478 00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:24,799 sure, you know, like 1479 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:25,990 sure, you know, like >> Yeah, of course. 1480 00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:26,000 >> Yeah, of course. 1481 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:26,470 >> Yeah, of course. >> Um 1482 00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:26,480 >> Um 1483 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,310 >> Um >> put the put them in a different room, 1484 00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:28,320 >> put the put them in a different room, 1485 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,269 >> put the put them in a different room, you know, cut off all possibility of any 1486 00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:31,279 you know, cut off all possibility of any 1487 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:32,950 you know, cut off all possibility of any kind of influence whatsoever. Oh, they 1488 00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:32,960 kind of influence whatsoever. Oh, they 1489 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,310 kind of influence whatsoever. Oh, they can't do it anymore. Funny how that 1490 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:34,320 can't do it anymore. Funny how that 1491 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,669 can't do it anymore. Funny how that works, huh? 1492 00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:35,679 works, huh? 1493 00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:38,230 works, huh? >> Um I don't know. To to me, I feel like 1494 00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:38,240 >> Um I don't know. To to me, I feel like 1495 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,230 >> Um I don't know. To to me, I feel like so, you know, we're talking about I 1496 00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:40,240 so, you know, we're talking about I 1497 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,789 so, you know, we're talking about I mean, after I got the strike, it came 1498 00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:42,799 mean, after I got the strike, it came 1499 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:44,630 mean, after I got the strike, it came like people began contacting me and 1500 00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:44,640 like people began contacting me and 1501 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,149 like people began contacting me and telling me about other instances of this 1502 00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:46,159 telling me about other instances of this 1503 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:48,389 telling me about other instances of this stuff. And to me, it just sounds like 1504 00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:48,399 stuff. And to me, it just sounds like 1505 00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:51,669 stuff. And to me, it just sounds like Kai kind of like got her first season of 1506 00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:51,679 Kai kind of like got her first season of 1507 00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:54,070 Kai kind of like got her first season of her podcast out, got a lot of uh buzz 1508 00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:54,080 her podcast out, got a lot of uh buzz 1509 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,909 her podcast out, got a lot of uh buzz around it, and then the inevitable 1510 00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:55,919 around it, and then the inevitable 1511 00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:57,590 around it, and then the inevitable backlash, and you have all, you know, 1512 00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:57,600 backlash, and you have all, you know, 1513 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,389 backlash, and you have all, you know, all the debunking, and now that she had 1514 00:29:00,389 --> 00:29:00,399 all the debunking, and now that she had 1515 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:02,310 all the debunking, and now that she had momentum, and she's going, "Oh, I've got 1516 00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:02,320 momentum, and she's going, "Oh, I've got 1517 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,990 momentum, and she's going, "Oh, I've got season 2, and then I've got this movie 1518 00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:04,000 season 2, and then I've got this movie 1519 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,070 season 2, and then I've got this movie coming out, and whatever it is, and 1520 00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:06,080 coming out, and whatever it is, and 1521 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,230 coming out, and whatever it is, and she's just desperate to hang on to this 1522 00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:08,240 she's just desperate to hang on to this 1523 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,630 she's just desperate to hang on to this momentum and the and the debunking 1524 00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:10,640 momentum and the and the debunking 1525 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,230 momentum and the and the debunking activity is too much." And um I can't 1526 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:14,240 activity is too much." And um I can't 1527 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,870 activity is too much." And um I can't believe that like she's trying to like 1528 00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:16,880 believe that like she's trying to like 1529 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,789 believe that like she's trying to like she tried to get away with it with you, 1530 00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:18,799 she tried to get away with it with you, 1531 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:20,950 she tried to get away with it with you, but I have a large channel. It's like 1532 00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:20,960 but I have a large channel. It's like 1533 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,310 but I have a large channel. It's like what did you think was going to happen? 1534 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:22,320 what did you think was going to happen? 1535 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,029 what did you think was going to happen? Like this is like it's only going to get 1536 00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:25,039 Like this is like it's only going to get 1537 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,789 Like this is like it's only going to get worse for you. Like now I'm making this 1538 00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:26,799 worse for you. Like now I'm making this 1539 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,789 worse for you. Like now I'm making this video. Now I'm completely devoted to 1540 00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:28,799 video. Now I'm completely devoted to 1541 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:30,149 video. Now I'm completely devoted to just ruining her. 1542 00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:30,159 just ruining her. 1543 00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:31,110 just ruining her. >> Um 1544 00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:31,120 >> Um 1545 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,029 >> Um >> well I mean there's a reason why she 1546 00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:33,039 >> well I mean there's a reason why she 1547 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,029 >> well I mean there's a reason why she made it a podcast 1548 00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:35,039 made it a podcast 1549 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,590 made it a podcast >> because she doesn't actually talk about 1550 00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:37,600 >> because she doesn't actually talk about 1551 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,590 >> because she doesn't actually talk about facilitated. I mean, I knew right from 1552 00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:39,600 facilitated. I mean, I knew right from 1553 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,669 facilitated. I mean, I knew right from the right from the first episode it was 1554 00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:41,679 the right from the first episode it was 1555 00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:43,190 the right from the first episode it was facil because I've just been dealing 1556 00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:43,200 facil because I've just been dealing 1557 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,710 facil because I've just been dealing with this for a really long time. 1558 00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:44,720 with this for a really long time. 1559 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,350 with this for a really long time. >> Sure. 1560 00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:45,360 >> Sure. 1561 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,549 >> Sure. >> Um, but not everybody did and you know, 1562 00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:48,559 >> Um, but not everybody did and you know, 1563 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:52,149 >> Um, but not everybody did and you know, like it sounded um like, yeah, this 1564 00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:52,159 like it sounded um like, yeah, this 1565 00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,149 like it sounded um like, yeah, this would be really cool if this could be 1566 00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:54,159 would be really cool if this could be 1567 00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:56,310 would be really cool if this could be actually real. And and so she drew 1568 00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:56,320 actually real. And and so she drew 1569 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,230 actually real. And and so she drew people in first and then by episode 1570 00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:58,240 people in first and then by episode 1571 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,870 people in first and then by episode five, I think, is when she started 1572 00:30:00,870 --> 00:30:00,880 five, I think, is when she started 1573 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,310 five, I think, is when she started talking about FC and how the scientists 1574 00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:04,320 talking about FC and how the scientists 1575 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,029 talking about FC and how the scientists are close-minded and they want this to 1576 00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:07,039 are close-minded and they want this to 1577 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:10,389 are close-minded and they want this to fail and they're afraid of telepathy and 1578 00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:10,399 fail and they're afraid of telepathy and 1579 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:12,630 fail and they're afraid of telepathy and you know that whole that whole thing 1580 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:12,640 you know that whole that whole thing 1581 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,590 you know that whole that whole thing came along. Um, and not everybody's 1582 00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:15,600 came along. Um, and not everybody's 1583 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,750 came along. Um, and not everybody's going to pay the 10 bucks to to see the 1584 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:17,760 going to pay the 10 bucks to to see the 1585 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,510 going to pay the 10 bucks to to see the videos. And even if you do see the 1586 00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:19,520 videos. And even if you do see the 1587 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,630 videos. And even if you do see the videos, they don't know what they're 1588 00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:20,640 videos, they don't know what they're 1589 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,430 videos, they don't know what they're looking at. 1590 00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:21,440 looking at. 1591 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,029 looking at. >> You don't you might not know what I 1592 00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:23,039 >> You don't you might not know what I 1593 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:24,789 >> You don't you might not know what I mean. To me, it's 1594 00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:24,799 mean. To me, it's 1595 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:26,470 mean. To me, it's >> Yeah, you've been you've lived this 1596 00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:26,480 >> Yeah, you've been you've lived this 1597 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,950 >> Yeah, you've been you've lived this >> really obvious, but but it's because 1598 00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:28,960 >> really obvious, but but it's because 1599 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,950 >> really obvious, but but it's because I've been analyzing and I experienced 1600 00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:32,960 I've been analyzing and I experienced 1601 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,430 I've been analyzing and I experienced >> being a facilitator. So, my particular 1602 00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:35,440 >> being a facilitator. So, my particular 1603 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,190 >> being a facilitator. So, my particular interest in FC is facilitator behaviors. 1604 00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:39,200 interest in FC is facilitator behaviors. 1605 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,710 interest in FC is facilitator behaviors. And that's not what they want you to 1606 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:40,720 And that's not what they want you to 1607 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,350 And that's not what they want you to look at. They want you to look at they 1608 00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:43,360 look at. They want you to look at they 1609 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,870 look at. They want you to look at they want you to look at the person being 1610 00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:44,880 want you to look at the person being 1611 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,710 want you to look at the person being facilitated and the messages that are 1612 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:46,720 facilitated and the messages that are 1613 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,110 facilitated and the messages that are coming out these you know like amazing 1614 00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:49,120 coming out these you know like amazing 1615 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,269 coming out these you know like amazing poetry and they're going they've managed 1616 00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:51,279 poetry and they're going they've managed 1617 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,830 poetry and they're going they've managed to get a few people through college and 1618 00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:53,840 to get a few people through college and 1619 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,950 to get a few people through college and um 1620 00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:54,960 um 1621 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,389 um >> you know all that that's what they want 1622 00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:56,399 >> you know all that that's what they want 1623 00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:57,669 >> you know all that that's what they want you to look at they don't want you to 1624 00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:57,679 you to look at they don't want you to 1625 00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:58,789 you to look at they don't want you to look at the facilitator 1626 00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:58,799 look at the facilitator 1627 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:00,870 look at the facilitator >> Q incredible success stories. Yeah. 1628 00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:00,880 >> Q incredible success stories. Yeah. 1629 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,029 >> Q incredible success stories. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so do you think like 1630 00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:05,039 >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so do you think like 1631 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,070 >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so do you think like is it I'm leaning towards just her 1632 00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:08,080 is it I'm leaning towards just her 1633 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,149 is it I'm leaning towards just her entire grift is crumbling before her 1634 00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:10,159 entire grift is crumbling before her 1635 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:12,630 entire grift is crumbling before her eyes and she's desperately scrambling to 1636 00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:12,640 eyes and she's desperately scrambling to 1637 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,430 eyes and she's desperately scrambling to silence any bit of content that exposes 1638 00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:15,440 silence any bit of content that exposes 1639 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,830 silence any bit of content that exposes her um because it's all falling apart 1640 00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:17,840 her um because it's all falling apart 1641 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,510 her um because it's all falling apart right in front of her eyes or do you 1642 00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:19,520 right in front of her eyes or do you 1643 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,389 right in front of her eyes or do you think that this is kind of just taking 1644 00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:22,399 think that this is kind of just taking 1645 00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:24,070 think that this is kind of just taking off and she's going to get to the next 1646 00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:24,080 off and she's going to get to the next 1647 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,230 off and she's going to get to the next level with this? Is it taking off or is 1648 00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:26,240 level with this? Is it taking off or is 1649 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,750 level with this? Is it taking off or is it coming to a halt or somewhere in 1650 00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:27,760 it coming to a halt or somewhere in 1651 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,630 it coming to a halt or somewhere in between? What's your take on that? Well, 1652 00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:30,640 between? What's your take on that? Well, 1653 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,870 between? What's your take on that? Well, um, until the Woody Brown, I don't know 1654 00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:32,880 um, until the Woody Brown, I don't know 1655 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,590 um, until the Woody Brown, I don't know if you know about the Woody Brown. 1656 00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:35,600 if you know about the Woody Brown. 1657 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,269 if you know about the Woody Brown. Okay. So, Woody Brown, um, is this 1658 00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:39,279 Okay. So, Woody Brown, um, is this 1659 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,070 Okay. So, Woody Brown, um, is this person who's being facilitated by his 1660 00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:42,080 person who's being facilitated by his 1661 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,269 person who's being facilitated by his mom and he's managed to get through UCLA 1662 00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:45,279 mom and he's managed to get through UCLA 1663 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:46,310 mom and he's managed to get through UCLA and Colombia. 1664 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:46,320 and Colombia. 1665 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,669 and Colombia. >> Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. I think 1666 00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:47,679 >> Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. I think 1667 00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:50,789 >> Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. I think >> and and so he was on the Today Show and 1668 00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:50,799 >> and and so he was on the Today Show and 1669 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,269 >> and and so he was on the Today Show and supposedly facilitating, but the videos 1670 00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:53,279 supposedly facilitating, but the videos 1671 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,110 supposedly facilitating, but the videos that they showed on the Today Show and 1672 00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:55,120 that they showed on the Today Show and 1673 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,389 that they showed on the Today Show and this happened just within the last 1674 00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:56,399 this happened just within the last 1675 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:59,029 this happened just within the last couple weeks. I mean, like my email has 1676 00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:59,039 couple weeks. I mean, like my email has 1677 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:03,430 couple weeks. I mean, like my email has just been, you know, like exploded. Um, 1678 00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:03,440 just been, you know, like exploded. Um, 1679 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,789 just been, you know, like exploded. Um, and it it's so obvious that he's not 1680 00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:06,799 and it it's so obvious that he's not 1681 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,549 and it it's so obvious that he's not spelling out what he's supposed to be 1682 00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:08,559 spelling out what he's supposed to be 1683 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,470 spelling out what he's supposed to be spelling that even people who didn't 1684 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:10,480 spelling that even people who didn't 1685 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,549 spelling that even people who didn't know about FC 1686 00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:12,559 know about FC 1687 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,149 know about FC are questioning it. 1688 00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:14,159 are questioning it. 1689 00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:15,029 are questioning it. >> Right? 1690 00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:15,039 >> Right? 1691 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,830 >> Right? >> So, what I think is happening at the 1692 00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:17,840 >> So, what I think is happening at the 1693 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,990 >> So, what I think is happening at the moment is there's there's a lot of push 1694 00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:20,000 moment is there's there's a lot of push 1695 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,830 moment is there's there's a lot of push back right now. There's a lot of people 1696 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:21,840 back right now. There's a lot of people 1697 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,789 back right now. There's a lot of people if they if those two things had been 1698 00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:24,799 if they if those two things had been 1699 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:26,870 if they if those two things had been separate or separated by a number of 1700 00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:26,880 separate or separated by a number of 1701 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,549 separate or separated by a number of years or even months I think that it 1702 00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:30,559 years or even months I think that it 1703 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,950 years or even months I think that it just would have you know usually it's 1704 00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:32,960 just would have you know usually it's 1705 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,669 just would have you know usually it's goes in cycles right so 1706 00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:35,679 goes in cycles right so 1707 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:39,110 goes in cycles right so >> in the in the 19 early 1990s nobody was 1708 00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:39,120 >> in the in the 19 early 1990s nobody was 1709 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,789 >> in the in the 19 early 1990s nobody was covering it and then the false 1710 00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:40,799 covering it and then the false 1711 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,269 covering it and then the false allegations of abuses came out and so in 1712 00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:43,279 allegations of abuses came out and so in 1713 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:44,789 allegations of abuses came out and so in 1998 1714 00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:44,799 1998 1715 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,669 1998 >> a lot of attention was given to it FC 1716 00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:47,679 >> a lot of attention was given to it FC 1717 00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:49,750 >> a lot of attention was given to it FC went underground and then it's it's 1718 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:49,760 went underground and then it's it's 1719 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,750 went underground and then it's it's popped back up as something else. And 1720 00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:51,760 popped back up as something else. And 1721 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,509 popped back up as something else. And >> yeah, we're all the way here and I had 1722 00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:53,519 >> yeah, we're all the way here and I had 1723 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,269 >> yeah, we're all the way here and I had never heard of it. You know what I mean? 1724 00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:55,279 never heard of it. You know what I mean? 1725 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,990 never heard of it. You know what I mean? >> So, we're in that arc like for for 1726 00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:58,000 >> So, we're in that arc like for for 1727 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,310 >> So, we're in that arc like for for somebody like me, we're in that arc of 1728 00:33:00,310 --> 00:33:00,320 somebody like me, we're in that arc of 1729 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,389 somebody like me, we're in that arc of the second wave where where spelling to 1730 00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:04,399 the second wave where where spelling to 1731 00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:06,149 the second wave where where spelling to communicate and rapid prompting method 1732 00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:06,159 communicate and rapid prompting method 1733 00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:08,389 communicate and rapid prompting method aren't FC because the facilitators hold 1734 00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:08,399 aren't FC because the facilitators hold 1735 00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:09,990 aren't FC because the facilitators hold the is holding the letterboard in the 1736 00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:10,000 the is holding the letterboard in the 1737 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,789 the is holding the letterboard in the air. 1738 00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:10,799 air. 1739 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,630 air. >> Oh, wow. This is really cool. Everybody 1740 00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:12,640 >> Oh, wow. This is really cool. Everybody 1741 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,190 >> Oh, wow. This is really cool. Everybody buys into it. What a miracle. And then 1742 00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:15,200 buys into it. What a miracle. And then 1743 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,029 buys into it. What a miracle. And then something like the Woody Brown and the 1744 00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:17,039 something like the Woody Brown and the 1745 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,990 something like the Woody Brown and the telepathy tapes come along and people 1746 00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:20,000 telepathy tapes come along and people 1747 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,470 telepathy tapes come along and people start going, "Oh, wait a minute. We need 1748 00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:22,480 start going, "Oh, wait a minute. We need 1749 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,669 start going, "Oh, wait a minute. We need to look at this." 1750 00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:23,679 to look at this." 1751 00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:24,789 to look at this." >> Yeah. 1752 00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:24,799 >> Yeah. 1753 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,029 >> Yeah. >> And so I think that's kind of what's 1754 00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:27,039 >> And so I think that's kind of what's 1755 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,509 >> And so I think that's kind of what's happening right now. I'm not sure 1756 00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:29,519 happening right now. I'm not sure 1757 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,310 happening right now. I'm not sure >> how far we'll get. Um I hope I hope that 1758 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:32,320 >> how far we'll get. Um I hope I hope that 1759 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,630 >> how far we'll get. Um I hope I hope that it gets a lot of negative attention. 1760 00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:34,640 it gets a lot of negative attention. 1761 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,350 it gets a lot of negative attention. >> Um 1762 00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:35,360 >> Um 1763 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,750 >> Um >> well, I'll do my part. 1764 00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:37,760 >> well, I'll do my part. 1765 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,549 >> well, I'll do my part. >> I do not respond well to bullying, so uh 1766 00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:40,559 >> I do not respond well to bullying, so uh 1767 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,470 >> I do not respond well to bullying, so uh this is I'm going to put a lot more heat 1768 00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:42,480 this is I'm going to put a lot more heat 1769 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,830 this is I'm going to put a lot more heat on her. Uh, and uh, yeah, possibly we'll 1770 00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:45,840 on her. Uh, and uh, yeah, possibly we'll 1771 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,070 on her. Uh, and uh, yeah, possibly we'll see what the what, you know, what comes 1772 00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:48,080 see what the what, you know, what comes 1773 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,310 see what the what, you know, what comes of this video that I'm making right now 1774 00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:50,320 of this video that I'm making right now 1775 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,950 of this video that I'm making right now in talking to you and and uh, and uh, 1776 00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:52,960 in talking to you and and uh, and uh, 1777 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,669 in talking to you and and uh, and uh, yeah, possibly do yet another followup 1778 00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:55,679 yeah, possibly do yet another followup 1779 00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:58,630 yeah, possibly do yet another followup skewing skewering her season two of her 1780 00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:58,640 skewing skewering her season two of her 1781 00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,990 skewing skewering her season two of her podcast or something. So, 1782 00:33:59,990 --> 00:34:00,000 podcast or something. So, 1783 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,950 podcast or something. So, >> the way I look at it is it's it's pretty 1784 00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:02,960 >> the way I look at it is it's it's pretty 1785 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,310 >> the way I look at it is it's it's pretty human to fall for an illusion. 1786 00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:06,320 human to fall for an illusion. 1787 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,750 human to fall for an illusion. >> Mhm. But but 1788 00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:09,760 >> Mhm. But but 1789 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,510 >> Mhm. But but one of the reasons why we have our 1790 00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:11,520 one of the reasons why we have our 1791 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,669 one of the reasons why we have our website is so that uh people could find 1792 00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:15,679 website is so that uh people could find 1793 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,550 website is so that uh people could find information opposition statements 1794 00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:18,560 information opposition statements 1795 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,349 information opposition statements systematic reviews controlled studies at 1796 00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:21,359 systematic reviews controlled studies at 1797 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:23,109 systematic reviews controlled studies at a click of a button right I didn't have 1798 00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:23,119 a click of a button right I didn't have 1799 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,430 a click of a button right I didn't have that when I was going through 1800 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:25,440 that when I was going through 1801 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,389 that when I was going through facilitated communication but that's one 1802 00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:28,399 facilitated communication but that's one 1803 00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:30,950 facilitated communication but that's one of the reasons why we have the website 1804 00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:30,960 of the reasons why we have the website 1805 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,750 of the reasons why we have the website >> they also know and you could tell from 1806 00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:33,760 >> they also know and you could tell from 1807 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,710 >> they also know and you could tell from episode five they know what the problems 1808 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:36,720 episode five they know what the problems 1809 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:38,950 episode five they know what the problems are with facilitated communication and 1810 00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:38,960 are with facilitated communication and 1811 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,349 are with facilitated communication and they're refusing to test it, 1812 00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:41,359 they're refusing to test it, 1813 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:41,909 they're refusing to test it, >> right? 1814 00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:41,919 >> right? 1815 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:44,869 >> right? >> So, where is that line between 1816 00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:44,879 >> So, where is that line between 1817 00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:47,909 >> So, where is that line between like I think some of the parents that 1818 00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:47,919 like I think some of the parents that 1819 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:50,069 like I think some of the parents that are involved in the telepathy tapes may 1820 00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:50,079 are involved in the telepathy tapes may 1821 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:51,909 are involved in the telepathy tapes may be in that level where they really 1822 00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:51,919 be in that level where they really 1823 00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:53,750 be in that level where they really wanted to believe and they're told being 1824 00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:53,760 wanted to believe and they're told being 1825 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,230 wanted to believe and they're told being told by an authority figure that it does 1826 00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:56,240 told by an authority figure that it does 1827 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,990 told by an authority figure that it does work. So, they're sort of being talked 1828 00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:58,000 work. So, they're sort of being talked 1829 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,349 work. So, they're sort of being talked into believing it. 1830 00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:59,359 into believing it. 1831 00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:00,230 into believing it. >> Yeah. 1832 00:35:00,230 --> 00:35:00,240 >> Yeah. 1833 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,589 >> Yeah. >> But Kai Dickens is a documentarian. 1834 00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:03,599 >> But Kai Dickens is a documentarian. 1835 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,710 >> But Kai Dickens is a documentarian. Um Diane Hennessy Powell is supposed to 1836 00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:06,720 Um Diane Hennessy Powell is supposed to 1837 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,829 Um Diane Hennessy Powell is supposed to be uh an academic. Some of those other 1838 00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:09,839 be uh an academic. Some of those other 1839 00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:12,069 be uh an academic. Some of those other experts that they had on the on the 1840 00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:12,079 experts that they had on the on the 1841 00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,069 experts that they had on the on the telepathy tapes are supposed to be 1842 00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:14,079 telepathy tapes are supposed to be 1843 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:15,510 telepathy tapes are supposed to be academics 1844 00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:15,520 academics 1845 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,390 academics >> and they're supposed to know how to look 1846 00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:18,400 >> and they're supposed to know how to look 1847 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,550 >> and they're supposed to know how to look for reliably controlled evidence and 1848 00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:20,560 for reliably controlled evidence and 1849 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,470 for reliably controlled evidence and they are purposefully 1850 00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:22,480 they are purposefully 1851 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,470 they are purposefully >> downplaying it, ignoring they're saying 1852 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:24,480 >> downplaying it, ignoring they're saying 1853 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,109 >> downplaying it, ignoring they're saying we want a paradigm change. Um 1854 00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:27,119 we want a paradigm change. Um 1855 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:27,670 we want a paradigm change. Um >> yeah, 1856 00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:27,680 >> yeah, 1857 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,550 >> yeah, >> people are against this entanglement and 1858 00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:30,560 >> people are against this entanglement and 1859 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,030 >> people are against this entanglement and >> right like all this blah blah blah blah 1860 00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:33,040 >> right like all this blah blah blah blah 1861 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,990 >> right like all this blah blah blah blah blah blah blah when it's really simple 1862 00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:36,000 blah blah blah when it's really simple 1863 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,829 blah blah blah when it's really simple >> the the problem with facilitated 1864 00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:37,839 >> the the problem with facilitated 1865 00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:39,670 >> the the problem with facilitated communication that's been there right 1866 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:39,680 communication that's been there right 1867 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,349 communication that's been there right from the ve very beginning is 1868 00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:41,359 from the ve very beginning is 1869 00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:43,510 from the ve very beginning is facilitator queuing and control. 1870 00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:43,520 facilitator queuing and control. 1871 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,310 facilitator queuing and control. >> Yeah. 1872 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:44,320 >> Yeah. 1873 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,910 >> Yeah. >> And I I think I have I have a lot of 1874 00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:47,920 >> And I I think I have I have a lot of 1875 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,910 >> And I I think I have I have a lot of compassion for people who fall for the 1876 00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:51,920 compassion for people who fall for the 1877 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,310 compassion for people who fall for the illusion. 1878 00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:52,320 illusion. 1879 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,829 illusion. >> Yeah. The parents are the victims. I 1880 00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:53,839 >> Yeah. The parents are the victims. I 1881 00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:55,510 >> Yeah. The parents are the victims. I mean they're they they get our sympathy 1882 00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:55,520 mean they're they they get our sympathy 1883 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,710 mean they're they they get our sympathy of course. Yeah. 1884 00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:56,720 of course. Yeah. 1885 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,550 of course. Yeah. >> However, 1886 00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:58,560 >> However, 1887 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,710 >> However, what do you do when you come across the 1888 00:36:00,710 --> 00:36:00,720 what do you do when you come across the 1889 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,510 what do you do when you come across the evidence? So, if you're a parent that 1890 00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:03,520 evidence? So, if you're a parent that 1891 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,510 evidence? So, if you're a parent that come across an the evidence or a an 1892 00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:07,520 come across an the evidence or a an 1893 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,870 come across an the evidence or a an educator or a documentarian and you know 1894 00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:10,880 educator or a documentarian and you know 1895 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:11,910 educator or a documentarian and you know it's there. 1896 00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:11,920 it's there. 1897 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,550 it's there. >> Mhm. 1898 00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:12,560 >> Mhm. 1899 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,349 >> Mhm. >> Your first question should be, well, cuz 1900 00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:15,359 >> Your first question should be, well, cuz 1901 00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:17,589 >> Your first question should be, well, cuz everybody, all the facilitators believe 1902 00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:17,599 everybody, all the facilitators believe 1903 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:20,150 everybody, all the facilitators believe they're the only ones on the planet that 1904 00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:20,160 they're the only ones on the planet that 1905 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,310 they're the only ones on the planet that the queueing and control doesn't apply 1906 00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:22,320 the queueing and control doesn't apply 1907 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,390 the queueing and control doesn't apply to them, right? They're not doing 1908 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:24,400 to them, right? They're not doing 1909 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,910 to them, right? They're not doing they're they're good-hearted people. 1910 00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:25,920 they're they're good-hearted people. 1911 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,750 they're they're good-hearted people. They're not doing that. 1912 00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:29,760 1913 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,829 >> However, the first question should be, 1914 00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:31,839 >> However, the first question should be, 1915 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:33,829 >> However, the first question should be, oh god, we better check this and make 1916 00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:33,839 oh god, we better check this and make 1917 00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:34,150 oh god, we better check this and make sure, 1918 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:34,160 sure, 1919 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:34,870 sure, >> right? 1920 00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:34,880 >> right? 1921 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,630 >> right? >> And that's the piece that's being left 1922 00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:36,640 >> And that's the piece that's being left 1923 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,069 >> And that's the piece that's being left out right now. And that's the piece 1924 00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:38,079 out right now. And that's the piece 1925 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,069 out right now. And that's the piece that's being people are being told it's 1926 00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:40,079 that's being people are being told it's 1927 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,470 that's being people are being told it's bad to ask those questions. 1928 00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:42,480 bad to ask those questions. 1929 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,390 bad to ask those questions. >> You're against people. I think they 1930 00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:44,400 >> You're against people. I think they 1931 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,910 >> You're against people. I think they called um me something like um 1932 00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:47,920 called um me something like um 1933 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,790 called um me something like um >> they use me as a as a example of a bad 1934 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:50,800 >> they use me as a as a example of a bad 1935 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,349 >> they use me as a as a example of a bad facilitator in their workshops. because 1936 00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:53,359 facilitator in their workshops. because 1937 00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,430 facilitator in their workshops. because I questioned it, right? And I came out 1938 00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:55,440 I questioned it, right? And I came out 1939 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,109 I questioned it, right? And I came out the other end saying, "Oh, no. This 1940 00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:57,119 the other end saying, "Oh, no. This 1941 00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:58,630 the other end saying, "Oh, no. This doesn't work." 1942 00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:58,640 doesn't work." 1943 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,790 doesn't work." >> You uh Yeah. You're a bad facilitator 1944 00:37:00,790 --> 00:37:00,800 >> You uh Yeah. You're a bad facilitator 1945 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,150 >> You uh Yeah. You're a bad facilitator because you proved it doesn't work. 1946 00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:02,160 because you proved it doesn't work. 1947 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,950 because you proved it doesn't work. Yeah. 1948 00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:02,960 Yeah. 1949 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,150 Yeah. >> Right. Um I committed epistemological 1950 00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:06,160 >> Right. Um I committed epistemological 1951 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,349 >> Right. Um I committed epistemological violence. Yeah. 1952 00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:07,359 violence. Yeah. 1953 00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:10,310 violence. Yeah. >> Um by speaking out against facilitated 1954 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:10,320 >> Um by speaking out against facilitated 1955 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:10,950 >> Um by speaking out against facilitated communication. 1956 00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:10,960 communication. 1957 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,950 communication. >> No. Don't question the the central 1958 00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:12,960 >> No. Don't question the the central 1959 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,790 >> No. Don't question the the central doctrine of the cult or you will be 1960 00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:14,800 doctrine of the cult or you will be 1961 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,310 doctrine of the cult or you will be excommunicated. Of course. 1962 00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:16,320 excommunicated. Of course. 1963 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,430 excommunicated. Of course. >> Right. And you know, when I 1964 00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:19,440 >> Right. And you know, when I 1965 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,589 >> Right. And you know, when I people um along the way have asked me, 1966 00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:23,599 people um along the way have asked me, 1967 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,510 people um along the way have asked me, you know, periodically, do I think it's 1968 00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:25,520 you know, periodically, do I think it's 1969 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,310 you know, periodically, do I think it's a cult? In the early days, I I would I 1970 00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:28,320 a cult? In the early days, I I would I 1971 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,190 a cult? In the early days, I I would I would be like, you know, no, I don't I 1972 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:31,200 would be like, you know, no, I don't I 1973 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,310 would be like, you know, no, I don't I don't think so. I think they're just 1974 00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:32,320 don't think so. I think they're just 1975 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,990 don't think so. I think they're just people like me that got caught up in it 1976 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:34,000 people like me that got caught up in it 1977 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,270 people like me that got caught up in it and didn't really have enough 1978 00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:35,280 and didn't really have enough 1979 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,150 and didn't really have enough information to make a sound decision. 1980 00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:38,160 information to make a sound decision. 1981 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,069 information to make a sound decision. You know, my critical thinking skills 1982 00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:40,079 You know, my critical thinking skills 1983 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:41,829 You know, my critical thinking skills either were non-existent or they went 1984 00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:41,839 either were non-existent or they went 1985 00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:43,430 either were non-existent or they went out the window cuz I really just wanted 1986 00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:43,440 out the window cuz I really just wanted 1987 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,750 out the window cuz I really just wanted it to work, right? So I'm thinking I'm 1988 00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:45,760 it to work, right? So I'm thinking I'm 1989 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,069 it to work, right? So I'm thinking I'm going along thinking that most 1990 00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:48,079 going along thinking that most 1991 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,710 going along thinking that most facilitators are like that. And then the 1992 00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:50,720 facilitators are like that. And then the 1993 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,430 facilitators are like that. And then the more I dig into it and the more I've 1994 00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:53,440 more I dig into it and the more I've 1995 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,750 more I dig into it and the more I've experienced facilitated communication 1996 00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:55,760 experienced facilitated communication 1997 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,829 experienced facilitated communication and push back um 1998 00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:59,839 and push back um 1999 00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:02,550 and push back um there are people who actually knew that 2000 00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:02,560 there are people who actually knew that 2001 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,950 there are people who actually knew that that what the problem with this was that 2002 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:04,960 that what the problem with this was that 2003 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,310 that what the problem with this was that were promoting it when they were 2004 00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:06,320 were promoting it when they were 2005 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,230 were promoting it when they were promoting it and they already knew that 2006 00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:08,240 promoting it and they already knew that 2007 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,310 promoting it and they already knew that it was so those are the people I have 2008 00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:10,320 it was so those are the people I have 2009 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,589 it was so those are the people I have the most problem with. 2010 00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:11,599 the most problem with. 2011 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,750 the most problem with. >> Yeah. It's not you exhibited very mild 2012 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:13,760 >> Yeah. It's not you exhibited very mild 2013 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,750 >> Yeah. It's not you exhibited very mild bias but then corrected yourself when 2014 00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:15,760 bias but then corrected yourself when 2015 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,829 bias but then corrected yourself when the real heavy evidence came in. But 2016 00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:17,839 the real heavy evidence came in. But 2017 00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:19,190 the real heavy evidence came in. But there are people who obvious, you know, 2018 00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:19,200 there are people who obvious, you know, 2019 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,870 there are people who obvious, you know, I'm sure that there are facilitators who 2020 00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:20,880 I'm sure that there are facilitators who 2021 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,109 I'm sure that there are facilitators who are financially compromised and you I 2022 00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:23,119 are financially compromised and you I 2023 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:24,470 are financially compromised and you I mean there have to be 2024 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:24,480 mean there have to be 2025 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,270 mean there have to be >> well and you think about these these um 2026 00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:27,280 >> well and you think about these these um 2027 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,470 >> well and you think about these these um facilitators now that have been using FC 2028 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:30,480 facilitators now that have been using FC 2029 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,230 facilitators now that have been using FC since um 1990. 2030 00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:34,240 since um 1990. 2031 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:34,630 since um 1990. >> Mhm. 2032 00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:34,640 >> Mhm. 2033 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,030 >> Mhm. >> So that's over 30 years. 2034 00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:37,040 >> So that's over 30 years. 2035 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,430 >> So that's over 30 years. >> Yeah. Um and Kai Dickens is also 2036 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:41,440 >> Yeah. Um and Kai Dickens is also 2037 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,310 >> Yeah. Um and Kai Dickens is also um giving these people a platform like 2038 00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:44,320 um giving these people a platform like 2039 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,230 um giving these people a platform like these people on the fringe that believe 2040 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:46,240 these people on the fringe that believe 2041 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,270 these people on the fringe that believe in telepathy. Like they believe that um 2042 00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:49,280 in telepathy. Like they believe that um 2043 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,349 in telepathy. Like they believe that um their son or daughter can put their hand 2044 00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:51,359 their son or daughter can put their hand 2045 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:54,550 their son or daughter can put their hand on a book without opening it and absorb 2046 00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:54,560 on a book without opening it and absorb 2047 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,310 on a book without opening it and absorb all the information. 2048 00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:56,320 all the information. 2049 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,550 all the information. >> Well, that that just isn't like when you 2050 00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:58,560 >> Well, that that just isn't like when you 2051 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,190 >> Well, that that just isn't like when you really look at what they're saying like 2052 00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:01,200 really look at what they're saying like 2053 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,430 really look at what they're saying like or independent communication isn't 2054 00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:03,440 or independent communication isn't 2055 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,349 or independent communication isn't somebody holding on to a letterboard for 2056 00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:05,359 somebody holding on to a letterboard for 2057 00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:07,990 somebody holding on to a letterboard for you. Yeah. Independent communication is 2058 00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:08,000 you. Yeah. Independent communication is 2059 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,589 you. Yeah. Independent communication is you leave the room and I'm able to 2060 00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:09,599 you leave the room and I'm able to 2061 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:10,470 you leave the room and I'm able to spell. 2062 00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:10,480 spell. 2063 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,030 spell. >> Yeah, 2064 00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:11,040 >> Yeah, 2065 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,550 >> Yeah, >> that's independent communication. So 2066 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:12,560 >> that's independent communication. So 2067 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,950 >> that's independent communication. So they they blur the lines with 2068 00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:14,960 they they blur the lines with 2069 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,390 they they blur the lines with augmentative and alternative 2070 00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:16,400 augmentative and alternative 2071 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,910 augmentative and alternative communication. They want you to believe 2072 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:17,920 communication. They want you to believe 2073 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,990 communication. They want you to believe FC is is 2074 00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:20,000 FC is is 2075 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,550 FC is is >> it's is not, you know, like you can use 2076 00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:22,560 >> it's is not, you know, like you can use 2077 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,030 >> it's is not, you know, like you can use a letterboard legitimately for 2078 00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:25,040 a letterboard legitimately for 2079 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,470 a letterboard legitimately for augmentative and alternative 2080 00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:26,480 augmentative and alternative 2081 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,910 augmentative and alternative communication, but not the way they're 2082 00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:27,920 communication, but not the way they're 2083 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,710 communication, but not the way they're using it. 2084 00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:28,720 using it. 2085 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,710 using it. >> Yeah. And people outside of this world 2086 00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:30,720 >> Yeah. And people outside of this world 2087 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,310 >> Yeah. And people outside of this world who have no context, I think within a 2088 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:34,320 who have no context, I think within a 2089 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,390 who have no context, I think within a minute of seeing this footage are like, 2090 00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:36,400 minute of seeing this footage are like, 2091 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,630 minute of seeing this footage are like, "What? This is not anything. What are 2092 00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:38,640 "What? This is not anything. What are 2093 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,470 "What? This is not anything. What are you guys talking about?" Right? That's 2094 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:40,480 you guys talking about?" Right? That's 2095 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,550 you guys talking about?" Right? That's why the censorship has to has to come. 2096 00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:42,560 why the censorship has to has to come. 2097 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,310 why the censorship has to has to come. >> Well, and the danger what I see is the 2098 00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:44,320 >> Well, and the danger what I see is the 2099 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,069 >> Well, and the danger what I see is the danger is like now they're getting 2100 00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:46,079 danger is like now they're getting 2101 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,829 danger is like now they're getting people through college. They've they've 2102 00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:47,839 people through college. They've they've 2103 00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:50,630 people through college. They've they've successfully the the validictorian of 2104 00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:50,640 successfully the the validictorian of 2105 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,109 successfully the the validictorian of Roland's College a few years ago was um 2106 00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:53,119 Roland's College a few years ago was um 2107 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,270 Roland's College a few years ago was um facilitated. Um there's somebody at 2108 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:55,280 facilitated. Um there's somebody at 2109 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,589 facilitated. Um there's somebody at Vanderbilt getting his doctoral degree 2110 00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:57,599 Vanderbilt getting his doctoral degree 2111 00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:59,349 Vanderbilt getting his doctoral degree in neuroscience 2112 00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:59,359 in neuroscience 2113 00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:02,069 in neuroscience um using facilitated communication. 2114 00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:02,079 um using facilitated communication. 2115 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,390 um using facilitated communication. Woody Brown was just he just graduated 2116 00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:04,400 Woody Brown was just he just graduated 2117 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,270 Woody Brown was just he just graduated from Colombia and had graduated from 2118 00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:07,280 from Colombia and had graduated from 2119 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,430 from Colombia and had graduated from UCLA. Right? So there's these examples 2120 00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:09,440 UCLA. Right? So there's these examples 2121 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,829 UCLA. Right? So there's these examples of people graduating from college. 2122 00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:11,839 of people graduating from college. 2123 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:14,390 of people graduating from college. They're changing they're trying to 2124 00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:14,400 They're changing they're trying to 2125 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,870 They're changing they're trying to change um how people view autism based 2126 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:18,880 change um how people view autism based 2127 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,589 change um how people view autism based on facilitated generated messaging. 2128 00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:21,599 on facilitated generated messaging. 2129 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,230 on facilitated generated messaging. >> Yeah. They're they're um they're 2130 00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:24,240 >> Yeah. They're they're um they're 2131 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,270 >> Yeah. They're they're um they're encouraging people to get married, have 2132 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:27,280 encouraging people to get married, have 2133 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,150 encouraging people to get married, have intimate relationships. Um they're 2134 00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:30,160 intimate relationships. Um they're 2135 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,310 intimate relationships. Um they're making medical decisions based on 2136 00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:32,320 making medical decisions based on 2137 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,829 making medical decisions based on facilitated generated messaging. Um 2138 00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:35,839 facilitated generated messaging. Um 2139 00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:38,470 facilitated generated messaging. Um >> I just imagine two severely autistic 2140 00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:38,480 >> I just imagine two severely autistic 2141 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,550 >> I just imagine two severely autistic individuals trying to get intimate with 2142 00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:40,560 individuals trying to get intimate with 2143 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,230 individuals trying to get intimate with their facilitators telling each other 2144 00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:42,240 their facilitators telling each other 2145 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,230 their facilitators telling each other what they want them to do to each other. 2146 00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:44,240 what they want them to do to each other. 2147 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,150 what they want them to do to each other. >> There's a song there's a song that was 2148 00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:46,160 >> There's a song there's a song that was 2149 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,710 >> There's a song there's a song that was written by somebody using facilitated 2150 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:48,720 written by somebody using facilitated 2151 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,470 written by somebody using facilitated communication that's called four in the 2152 00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:50,480 communication that's called four in the 2153 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,910 communication that's called four in the bedroom. And the whole whole scenario is 2154 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:53,920 bedroom. And the whole whole scenario is 2155 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,230 bedroom. And the whole whole scenario is that these two autistic people being 2156 00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:56,240 that these two autistic people being 2157 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,309 that these two autistic people being facilitated going in on this 2158 00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:58,319 facilitated going in on this 2159 00:40:58,319 --> 00:40:59,829 facilitated going in on this >> harder. 2160 00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:59,839 >> harder. 2161 00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:01,589 >> harder. >> Oh my god. 2162 00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:01,599 >> Oh my god. 2163 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:03,750 >> Oh my god. >> Oh, it's not what I signed up for as a 2164 00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:03,760 >> Oh, it's not what I signed up for as a 2165 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,510 >> Oh, it's not what I signed up for as a facilitator. I'm telling you right now, 2166 00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:05,520 facilitator. I'm telling you right now, 2167 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,550 facilitator. I'm telling you right now, no. No, no, no, no, no. 2168 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:08,560 no. No, no, no, no, no. 2169 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,589 no. No, no, no, no, no. >> Um 2170 00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:09,599 >> Um 2171 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,069 >> Um >> but you know the the there um false 2172 00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:12,079 >> but you know the the there um false 2173 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,150 >> but you know the the there um false allegations of abuse cases are still 2174 00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:14,160 allegations of abuse cases are still 2175 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,349 allegations of abuse cases are still happening. 2176 00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:15,359 happening. 2177 00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:17,589 happening. >> Guardianship issues are happening. So 2178 00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:17,599 >> Guardianship issues are happening. So 2179 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,069 >> Guardianship issues are happening. So the moms the the parents are separated. 2180 00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:20,079 the moms the the parents are separated. 2181 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,950 the moms the the parents are separated. the mom's the prim usually it's mom's is 2182 00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:22,960 the mom's the prim usually it's mom's is 2183 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,230 the mom's the prim usually it's mom's is the primary facilitator they're um all 2184 00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:26,240 the primary facilitator they're um all 2185 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,829 the primary facilitator they're um all of a sudden typing out I don't want to 2186 00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:27,839 of a sudden typing out I don't want to 2187 00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:29,990 of a sudden typing out I don't want to go to dad's you know he's he's abusing 2188 00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:30,000 go to dad's you know he's he's abusing 2189 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,750 go to dad's you know he's he's abusing me when I go there so they they um 2190 00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:33,760 me when I go there so they they um 2191 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,230 me when I go there so they they um >> they're they're suing for guardianship 2192 00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:36,240 >> they're they're suing for guardianship 2193 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,510 >> they're they're suing for guardianship so um I know a person that was jailed 2194 00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:39,520 so um I know a person that was jailed 2195 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,190 so um I know a person that was jailed for 10 months before um one of his 2196 00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:43,200 for 10 months before um one of his 2197 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,030 for 10 months before um one of his family members found our website and we 2198 00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:45,040 family members found our website and we 2199 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,309 family members found our website and we were able to hook him up with some 2200 00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:46,319 were able to hook him up with some 2201 00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:50,069 were able to hook him up with some expert witnesses um he was released from 2202 00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:50,079 expert witnesses um he was released from 2203 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,589 expert witnesses um he was released from jail after 10 months and and the the 2204 00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:53,599 jail after 10 months and and the the 2205 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:59,270 jail after 10 months and and the the judge actually um uh demanded double 2206 00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:59,280 judge actually um uh demanded double 2207 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,190 judge actually um uh demanded double blind testing, authorship testing, and 2208 00:42:01,190 --> 00:42:01,200 blind testing, authorship testing, and 2209 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,990 blind testing, authorship testing, and the facilitator refused. That's why the 2210 00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:04,000 the facilitator refused. That's why the 2211 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,630 the facilitator refused. That's why the >> that's so even court-ordered 2212 00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:06,640 >> that's so even court-ordered 2213 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,390 >> that's so even court-ordered testing, they're refusing to do that. 2214 00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:08,400 testing, they're refusing to do that. 2215 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,309 testing, they're refusing to do that. That's how that's how deep these people 2216 00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:10,319 That's how that's how deep these people 2217 00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,870 That's how that's how deep these people are in facilitated communication. 2218 00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:12,880 are in facilitated communication. 2219 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:13,270 are in facilitated communication. >> Yeah. 2220 00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:13,280 >> Yeah. 2221 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,470 >> Yeah. >> Um that's the stuff that worries me. 2222 00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:16,480 >> Um that's the stuff that worries me. 2223 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:16,950 >> Um that's the stuff that worries me. >> Um 2224 00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:16,960 >> Um 2225 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,710 >> Um >> Yeah. Especially given the context of 2226 00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:18,720 >> Yeah. Especially given the context of 2227 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,309 >> Yeah. Especially given the context of what happened 30 years ago. How could 2228 00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:20,319 what happened 30 years ago. How could 2229 00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:22,630 what happened 30 years ago. How could this possibly like just look at this 2230 00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:22,640 this possibly like just look at this 2231 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,630 this possibly like just look at this like look at what happened. It's exactly 2232 00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:24,640 like look at what happened. It's exactly 2233 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,470 like look at what happened. It's exactly this and you're letting it happen again. 2234 00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:26,480 this and you're letting it happen again. 2235 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:26,790 this and you're letting it happen again. Uh 2236 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:26,800 Uh 2237 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,030 Uh >> yeah, it's interesting to me cuz I was I 2238 00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:29,040 >> yeah, it's interesting to me cuz I was I 2239 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,550 >> yeah, it's interesting to me cuz I was I was part of it as a facilitator when I 2240 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:32,560 was part of it as a facilitator when I 2241 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,150 was part of it as a facilitator when I was going ear in the early days and then 2242 00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:36,160 was going ear in the early days and then 2243 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,349 was going ear in the early days and then um 2244 00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:37,359 um 2245 00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:39,190 um >> but that's why your voice is among the 2246 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:39,200 >> but that's why your voice is among the 2247 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,790 >> but that's why your voice is among the most valuable. I mean yeah you're 2248 00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:40,800 most valuable. I mean yeah you're 2249 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,670 most valuable. I mean yeah you're >> Well, I hope so. I hope so. Yeah. 2250 00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:43,680 >> Well, I hope so. I hope so. Yeah. 2251 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,870 >> Well, I hope so. I hope so. Yeah. >> Um, it depends on who you're talking to 2252 00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:46,880 >> Um, it depends on who you're talking to 2253 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,990 >> Um, it depends on who you're talking to cuz I'm vilified. Um, but I have there 2254 00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:50,000 cuz I'm vilified. Um, but I have there 2255 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,790 cuz I'm vilified. Um, but I have there have been people 2256 00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:50,800 have been people 2257 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,470 have been people >> So am I. What are you talking about? Of 2258 00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:52,480 >> So am I. What are you talking about? Of 2259 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,829 >> So am I. What are you talking about? Of course. Anybody who demons it's a 2260 00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:53,839 course. Anybody who demons it's a 2261 00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:54,630 course. Anybody who demons it's a villain to them. 2262 00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:54,640 villain to them. 2263 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,230 villain to them. >> Right. Right. But 2264 00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:56,240 >> Right. Right. But 2265 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,510 >> Right. Right. But >> I'm coming at it from the outside. 2266 00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:57,520 >> I'm coming at it from the outside. 2267 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,950 >> I'm coming at it from the outside. You're coming at from the inside. So 2268 00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:58,960 You're coming at from the inside. So 2269 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,630 You're coming at from the inside. So it's Yeah. angles. And I hope when I 2270 00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:02,640 it's Yeah. angles. And I hope when I 2271 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,470 it's Yeah. angles. And I hope when I first started talking about this, like 2272 00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:04,480 first started talking about this, like 2273 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,630 first started talking about this, like the the people from the OD Hack Center 2274 00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:06,640 the the people from the OD Hack Center 2275 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,190 the the people from the OD Hack Center that the facilitators that spoke first 2276 00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:09,200 that the facilitators that spoke first 2277 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,069 that the facilitators that spoke first about FC that were in Prisoners of 2278 00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:12,079 about FC that were in Prisoners of 2279 00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,069 about FC that were in Prisoners of Silence were kind of the people I look 2280 00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:14,079 Silence were kind of the people I look 2281 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,109 Silence were kind of the people I look up to. And then when I stepped out and 2282 00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:17,119 up to. And then when I stepped out and 2283 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:18,870 up to. And then when I stepped out and started speaking in public, I hoped 2284 00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:18,880 started speaking in public, I hoped 2285 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,349 started speaking in public, I hoped other people would follow. But 2286 00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:21,359 other people would follow. But 2287 00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:21,829 other people would follow. But >> uh 2288 00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:21,839 >> uh 2289 00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:22,790 >> uh >> yeah, 2290 00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:22,800 >> yeah, 2291 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,630 >> yeah, >> it's really hard to get it's 2292 00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:24,640 >> it's really hard to get it's 2293 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,750 >> it's really hard to get it's embarrassing. It's painful. Um you get 2294 00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:27,760 embarrassing. It's painful. Um you get 2295 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,750 embarrassing. It's painful. Um you get [\h__\h] on. You have to be willing to take 2296 00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:29,760 [\h__\h] on. You have to be willing to take 2297 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,910 [\h__\h] on. You have to be willing to take a certain amount of [\h__\h] from the 2298 00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:31,920 a certain amount of [\h__\h] from the 2299 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,510 a certain amount of [\h__\h] from the public. Not everybody wants to or can be 2300 00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:35,520 public. Not everybody wants to or can be 2301 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,069 public. Not everybody wants to or can be in the public eye. So, I hope that 2302 00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:38,079 in the public eye. So, I hope that 2303 00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,230 in the public eye. So, I hope that >> Welcome to my world. 2304 00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:40,240 >> Welcome to my world. 2305 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:40,710 >> Welcome to my world. >> Exactly. 2306 00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:40,720 >> Exactly. 2307 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:41,990 >> Exactly. >> Pretty brutal, but Yeah. 2308 00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:42,000 >> Pretty brutal, but Yeah. 2309 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,670 >> Pretty brutal, but Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I I hope that um you 2310 00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:45,680 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I I hope that um you 2311 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,030 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I I hope that um you were talking I was listening to a 2312 00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:47,040 were talking I was listening to a 2313 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,630 were talking I was listening to a podcast you did the other day about 2314 00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:48,640 podcast you did the other day about 2315 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,109 podcast you did the other day about science communicators. 2316 00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:51,119 science communicators. 2317 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,030 science communicators. I think people's 2318 00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:53,040 I think people's 2319 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,790 I think people's reaction to to facilitators is exactly 2320 00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:56,800 reaction to to facilitators is exactly 2321 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,630 reaction to to facilitators is exactly the one that you and it's a healthy one 2322 00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:58,640 the one that you and it's a healthy one 2323 00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,990 the one that you and it's a healthy one like what the heck are these people 2324 00:43:59,990 --> 00:44:00,000 like what the heck are these people 2325 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,430 like what the heck are these people doing? Why are they doing this? 2326 00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:01,440 doing? Why are they doing this? 2327 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:01,910 doing? Why are they doing this? >> Yeah. 2328 00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:01,920 >> Yeah. 2329 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,990 >> Yeah. >> And that that's a valid question and it 2330 00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:04,000 >> And that that's a valid question and it 2331 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,589 >> And that that's a valid question and it should be asked and people should be 2332 00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:05,599 should be asked and people should be 2333 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,069 should be asked and people should be held accountable. But for the 2334 00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:08,079 held accountable. But for the 2335 00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,109 held accountable. But for the facilitators that are willing to say I 2336 00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:11,119 facilitators that are willing to say I 2337 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,829 facilitators that are willing to say I made a mistake. I didn't realize what 2338 00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:13,839 made a mistake. I didn't realize what 2339 00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:15,910 made a mistake. I didn't realize what what was happening here. Like with this 2340 00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:15,920 what was happening here. Like with this 2341 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,230 what was happening here. Like with this new information I can change my position 2342 00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:18,240 new information I can change my position 2343 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:18,950 new information I can change my position on this. 2344 00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:18,960 on this. 2345 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,790 on this. >> Right. then we need we need to find a 2346 00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:20,800 >> Right. then we need we need to find a 2347 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,630 >> Right. then we need we need to find a way to support those people and the 2348 00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:22,640 way to support those people and the 2349 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,349 way to support those people and the parents and um I happen to be really 2350 00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:25,359 parents and um I happen to be really 2351 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:29,510 parents and um I happen to be really lucky. it just lucked out that um people 2352 00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:29,520 lucky. it just lucked out that um people 2353 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,990 lucky. it just lucked out that um people stuck with me and I was um willing to 2354 00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:34,000 stuck with me and I was um willing to 2355 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,069 stuck with me and I was um willing to ask those questions, you know, like I 2356 00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:36,079 ask those questions, you know, like I 2357 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,069 ask those questions, you know, like I had enough of an analytical mind to 2358 00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:38,079 had enough of an analytical mind to 2359 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,390 had enough of an analytical mind to think, okay, this isn't 2360 00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:40,400 think, okay, this isn't 2361 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,710 think, okay, this isn't >> something's wrong in Whoville here, you 2362 00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:42,720 >> something's wrong in Whoville here, you 2363 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:46,230 >> something's wrong in Whoville here, you know, like um but that and and I've 2364 00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:46,240 know, like um but that and and I've 2365 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,589 know, like um but that and and I've helped develop a support network, 2366 00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:49,599 helped develop a support network, 2367 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,710 helped develop a support network, >> but but I think a lot of facilitators in 2368 00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:52,720 >> but but I think a lot of facilitators in 2369 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,470 >> but but I think a lot of facilitators in that position are like, "Oh, I can see 2370 00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:54,480 that position are like, "Oh, I can see 2371 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,069 that position are like, "Oh, I can see that this isn't 2372 00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:56,079 that this isn't 2373 00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,030 that this isn't But what do I do? I'm the only person in 2374 00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:59,040 But what do I do? I'm the only person in 2375 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,030 But what do I do? I'm the only person in my community that is questioning this, 2376 00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:03,040 my community that is questioning this, 2377 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,990 my community that is questioning this, you know, how do I how do I maneuver 2378 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:06,000 you know, how do I how do I maneuver 2379 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,550 you know, how do I how do I maneuver this? You know, do I stay silent? Do I 2380 00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:08,560 this? You know, do I stay silent? Do I 2381 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,230 this? You know, do I stay silent? Do I speak out and risk losing my family? You 2382 00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:12,240 speak out and risk losing my family? You 2383 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,910 speak out and risk losing my family? You know, there's there's a lot of things 2384 00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:13,920 know, there's there's a lot of things 2385 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,670 know, there's there's a lot of things that I think that 2386 00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:15,680 that I think that 2387 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,990 that I think that >> like a knee-jerk reaction is, oh, these 2388 00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:18,000 >> like a knee-jerk reaction is, oh, these 2389 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,390 >> like a knee-jerk reaction is, oh, these people, these facilitators are bad. But 2390 00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:20,400 people, these facilitators are bad. But 2391 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,309 people, these facilitators are bad. But I still think I mean and there's always 2392 00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:24,319 I still think I mean and there's always 2393 00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,790 I still think I mean and there's always bad people in the mix, but I still think 2394 00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:26,800 bad people in the mix, but I still think 2395 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,589 bad people in the mix, but I still think that the rank and file facilitators are 2396 00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:29,599 that the rank and file facilitators are 2397 00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,150 that the rank and file facilitators are just average Joe's and they're trying to 2398 00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:32,160 just average Joe's and they're trying to 2399 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,150 just average Joe's and they're trying to they're doing the best they can and 2400 00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:34,160 they're doing the best they can and 2401 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,390 they're doing the best they can and they're trying to help in the only way 2402 00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:36,400 they're trying to help in the only way 2403 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,230 they're trying to help in the only way and but they're being misinformed and 2404 00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:38,240 and but they're being misinformed and 2405 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,270 and but they're being misinformed and they're being led down a path that they 2406 00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:41,280 they're being led down a path that they 2407 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,950 they're being led down a path that they don't even know that they know is not 2408 00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:42,960 don't even know that they know is not 2409 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,910 don't even know that they know is not right. 2410 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:43,920 right. 2411 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,470 right. >> Um and so that's that's the question 2412 00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:46,480 >> Um and so that's that's the question 2413 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,990 >> Um and so that's that's the question you're like how do we 2414 00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:48,000 you're like how do we 2415 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,990 you're like how do we >> how do we Yeah. How do we educate people 2416 00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:50,000 >> how do we Yeah. How do we educate people 2417 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,550 >> how do we Yeah. How do we educate people and support people in their efforts to 2418 00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:52,560 and support people in their efforts to 2419 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,349 and support people in their efforts to like once you once you real well we we 2420 00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:55,359 like once you once you real well we we 2421 00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:58,710 like once you once you real well we we want people to to to not get into it 2422 00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:58,720 want people to to to not get into it 2423 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:00,309 want people to to to not get into it right from the start that would be 2424 00:46:00,309 --> 00:46:00,319 right from the start that would be 2425 00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:01,270 right from the start that would be helpful. 2426 00:46:01,270 --> 00:46:01,280 helpful. 2427 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:01,910 helpful. >> Um 2428 00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:01,920 >> Um 2429 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,990 >> Um >> is there anywhere to anyone who might be 2430 00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:04,000 >> is there anywhere to anyone who might be 2431 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,630 >> is there anywhere to anyone who might be watching this uh is there anywhere I can 2432 00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:06,640 watching this uh is there anywhere I can 2433 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,069 watching this uh is there anywhere I can direct them to some kind of support or 2434 00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:10,079 direct them to some kind of support or 2435 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:11,750 direct them to some kind of support or where where can we send people to get 2436 00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:11,760 where where can we send people to get 2437 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,069 where where can we send people to get more info and and talk more with people 2438 00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:14,079 more info and and talk more with people 2439 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:16,309 more info and and talk more with people like you and you know that were part of 2440 00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:16,319 like you and you know that were part of 2441 00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:18,230 like you and you know that were part of this. So, if you um visit 2442 00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:18,240 this. So, if you um visit 2443 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,870 this. So, if you um visit facilitatedcommunication.org, 2444 00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:20,880 facilitatedcommunication.org, 2445 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,550 facilitatedcommunication.org, there's a lot of information on there 2446 00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:22,560 there's a lot of information on there 2447 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,030 there's a lot of information on there and there's a contact form on there and 2448 00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:25,040 and there's a contact form on there and 2449 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,190 and there's a contact form on there and I'm the one that runs the email. So, if 2450 00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:27,200 I'm the one that runs the email. So, if 2451 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,630 I'm the one that runs the email. So, if you um uh use the contact form, I will 2452 00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:30,640 you um uh use the contact form, I will 2453 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,470 you um uh use the contact form, I will get in touch with you. I'll I'll reach 2454 00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:32,480 get in touch with you. I'll I'll reach 2455 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,030 get in touch with you. I'll I'll reach out to you and um depending on what you 2456 00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:35,040 out to you and um depending on what you 2457 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,670 out to you and um depending on what you need. Some people are just um looking 2458 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:37,680 need. Some people are just um looking 2459 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,349 need. Some people are just um looking for information. There's a lot of 2460 00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:39,359 for information. There's a lot of 2461 00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:41,030 for information. There's a lot of information on the website. I can help 2462 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:41,040 information on the website. I can help 2463 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,190 information on the website. I can help you navigate that information. Um, both 2464 00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:45,200 you navigate that information. Um, both 2465 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,950 you navigate that information. Um, both there's there's two of us mainly that 2466 00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:46,960 there's there's two of us mainly that 2467 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,030 there's there's two of us mainly that put information on the website and we've 2468 00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:49,040 put information on the website and we've 2469 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,990 put information on the website and we've both read the majority of information on 2470 00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:52,000 both read the majority of information on 2471 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,270 both read the majority of information on there. So, we can help you navigate 2472 00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:53,280 there. So, we can help you navigate 2473 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:53,990 there. So, we can help you navigate that. 2474 00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:54,000 that. 2475 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,510 that. >> Some people are looking for expert 2476 00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:55,520 >> Some people are looking for expert 2477 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,270 >> Some people are looking for expert witnesses and to help with false 2478 00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:57,280 witnesses and to help with false 2479 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,750 witnesses and to help with false allegations of abuse cases, we can also 2480 00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:59,760 allegations of abuse cases, we can also 2481 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,270 allegations of abuse cases, we can also help with that. 2482 00:47:01,270 --> 00:47:01,280 help with that. 2483 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,430 help with that. >> And then anywhere in between, we'll just 2484 00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:05,440 >> And then anywhere in between, we'll just 2485 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,670 >> And then anywhere in between, we'll just try to figure it out. You know, people 2486 00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:07,680 try to figure it out. You know, people 2487 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,589 try to figure it out. You know, people aren't alone. We'll just try to we'll 2488 00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:09,599 aren't alone. We'll just try to we'll 2489 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:10,470 aren't alone. We'll just try to we'll try to figure it out. 2490 00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:10,480 try to figure it out. 2491 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,670 try to figure it out. >> Yeah, that's tremendous. That's 2492 00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:11,680 >> Yeah, that's tremendous. That's 2493 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,069 >> Yeah, that's tremendous. That's invaluable. So yeah, I just want to 2494 00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:14,079 invaluable. So yeah, I just want to 2495 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,670 invaluable. So yeah, I just want to thank you so much for the work that you 2496 00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:15,680 thank you so much for the work that you 2497 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,430 thank you so much for the work that you do and thanks for sharing your 2498 00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:17,440 do and thanks for sharing your 2499 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,430 do and thanks for sharing your perspective with me uh today. Thanks for 2500 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:19,440 perspective with me uh today. Thanks for 2501 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,950 perspective with me uh today. Thanks for >> No, thanks for your Yeah, thanks for 2502 00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:20,960 >> No, thanks for your Yeah, thanks for 2503 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,109 >> No, thanks for your Yeah, thanks for asking me to be on your on your podcast. 2504 00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:23,119 asking me to be on your on your podcast. 2505 00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:24,550 asking me to be on your on your podcast. I appreciate it. 2506 00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:24,560 I appreciate it. 2507 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,349 I appreciate it. >> Great chat, right? As you can see, Kai's 2508 00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:27,359 >> Great chat, right? As you can see, Kai's 2509 00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:29,750 >> Great chat, right? As you can see, Kai's petty, sensorious nature will be a big 2510 00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:29,760 petty, sensorious nature will be a big 2511 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,670 petty, sensorious nature will be a big part of her downfall. You all know that 2512 00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:31,680 part of her downfall. You all know that 2513 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,670 part of her downfall. You all know that I debunk a lot of different stuff and 2514 00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:33,680 I debunk a lot of different stuff and 2515 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,589 I debunk a lot of different stuff and there was a very good chance that I 2516 00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:35,599 there was a very good chance that I 2517 00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,270 there was a very good chance that I would have been satisfied with one video 2518 00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:37,280 would have been satisfied with one video 2519 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,270 would have been satisfied with one video about her and forgotten her completely 2520 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:39,280 about her and forgotten her completely 2521 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,510 about her and forgotten her completely for other more pressing targets. But not 2522 00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:41,520 for other more pressing targets. But not 2523 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,750 for other more pressing targets. But not anymore. When you try to bully me, you 2524 00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:43,760 anymore. When you try to bully me, you 2525 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,990 anymore. When you try to bully me, you get bullied 10 times harder in return. 2526 00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:46,000 get bullied 10 times harder in return. 2527 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,390 get bullied 10 times harder in return. So all of you, including Kai, can look 2528 00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:48,400 So all of you, including Kai, can look 2529 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,230 So all of you, including Kai, can look forward to more content relentlessly 2530 00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:50,240 forward to more content relentlessly 2531 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,230 forward to more content relentlessly exposing Kai for the worthless fraud 2532 00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:52,240 exposing Kai for the worthless fraud 2533 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,630 exposing Kai for the worthless fraud that she is in the future. Until then, 2534 00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:54,640 that she is in the future. Until then, 2535 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,680 that she is in the future. Until then, thanks for watching.