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Hey everyone, many of you are aware of

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Hey everyone, many of you are aware of
 

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Hey everyone, many of you are aware of
my distaste for Bobby Kennedy, the

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my distaste for Bobby Kennedy, the
 

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my distaste for Bobby Kennedy, the
maniac who Trump named head of HHS.

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maniac who Trump named head of HHS.
 

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maniac who Trump named head of HHS.
Well, he's not the only Trump appointee

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Well, he's not the only Trump appointee
 

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Well, he's not the only Trump appointee
who's a science denying monster. If you

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who's a science denying monster. If you
 

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who's a science denying monster. If you
thought someone who denies the germ

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thought someone who denies the germ
 

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thought someone who denies the germ
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theory of disease being in charge of
 

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theory of disease being in charge of
public health was bad, how about a

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public health was bad, how about a
 

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public health was bad, how about a
climate change denier in charge of the

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climate change denier in charge of the
 

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climate change denier in charge of the
EPA? That's good old Lee Zeldon. Let's

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EPA? That's good old Lee Zeldon. Let's
 

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EPA? That's good old Lee Zeldon. Let's
talk about him. As we've discussed

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talk about him. As we've discussed
 

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talk about him. As we've discussed
before, every single member of Trump's

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before, every single member of Trump's
 

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before, every single member of Trump's
cabinet is a [\h__\h] nightmare. It truly

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cabinet is a [\h__\h] nightmare. It truly
 

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cabinet is a [\h__\h] nightmare. It truly
is a horror show that is unrivaled in

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is a horror show that is unrivaled in
 

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is a horror show that is unrivaled in
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American history. As a science
 

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American history. As a science
communicator, I tend to focus on those

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communicator, I tend to focus on those
 

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communicator, I tend to focus on those
who deny science, especially science

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who deny science, especially science
 

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who deny science, especially science
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that is critical to their specific
 

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that is critical to their specific
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function. So, apart from public health,
 

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function. So, apart from public health,
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we can obviously turn to the
 

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we can obviously turn to the
environment. The Environmental

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environment. The Environmental
 

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environment. The Environmental
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Protection Agency or EPA was created by
 

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Protection Agency or EPA was created by
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President Richard Nixon in 1970 to
 

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President Richard Nixon in 1970 to
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consolidate federal pollution control
 

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consolidate federal pollution control
responsibilities. This was in response

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responsibilities. This was in response
 

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responsibilities. This was in response
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to specific incidents in the 1960s, like
 

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to specific incidents in the 1960s, like
a massive 3 milliongal oil spill off the

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a massive 3 milliongal oil spill off the
 

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a massive 3 milliongal oil spill off the
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coast of Santa Barbara and the highly
 

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coast of Santa Barbara and the highly
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polluted Kyhoga River in Ohio bursting
 

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polluted Kyhoga River in Ohio bursting
into flames. It's true, the government

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into flames. It's true, the government
 

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into flames. It's true, the government
once cared about curbing pollution. Kind

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once cared about curbing pollution. Kind
 

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once cared about curbing pollution. Kind
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of funny how the formerly disgraced
 

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of funny how the formerly disgraced
Richard Nixon looks like a godamn night

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Richard Nixon looks like a godamn night
 

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Richard Nixon looks like a godamn night
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in shining armor compared to modern
 

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in shining armor compared to modern
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standards, don't you think? Anyway, it's
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quite logical to conclude that private
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corporations shouldn't be able to just
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dump toxic sludge in the water and
 

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dump toxic sludge in the water and
poison the air and what have you. So,

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poison the air and what have you. So,
 

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poison the air and what have you. So,
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the EPA was formed to create and enforce
 

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the EPA was formed to create and enforce
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laws that prevent them from doing that.
 

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laws that prevent them from doing that.
I know, I know. Big government is at it

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I know, I know. Big government is at it
 

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I know, I know. Big government is at it
again, always doing a communism and

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again, always doing a communism and
 

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again, always doing a communism and
stopping the poor billionaires from

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stopping the poor billionaires from
 

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stopping the poor billionaires from
having all their fun. Now, sketchy

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having all their fun. Now, sketchy
 

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having all their fun. Now, sketchy
corporate shills heading large

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corporate shills heading large
 

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corporate shills heading large
departments in the US government is not

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departments in the US government is not
 

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departments in the US government is not
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brand new. Numerous secretaries have
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come directly from positions lobbying
 

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come directly from positions lobbying
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for defense contractors or Wall Street
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or pharma or big energy. But the
 

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or pharma or big energy. But the
wholesale denial of central pillars of

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wholesale denial of central pillars of
 

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wholesale denial of central pillars of
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science that define the role of a
 

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science that define the role of a
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position is pretty [\h__\h]
 

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position is pretty [\h__\h]
unprecedented. Only two climate change

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unprecedented. Only two climate change
 

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unprecedented. Only two climate change
deniers have ever been head of EPA.

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deniers have ever been head of EPA.
 

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deniers have ever been head of EPA.
Scott Puit appointed by Trump in 2017

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Scott Puit appointed by Trump in 2017
 

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Scott Puit appointed by Trump in 2017
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and Lee Zeldon appointed by Trump in
 

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and Lee Zeldon appointed by Trump in
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2025. Go Donald. Two for two. While
 

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2025. Go Donald. Two for two. While
Scott rejected the firm and irrefutable

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Scott rejected the firm and irrefutable
 

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Scott rejected the firm and irrefutable
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fact that carbon dioxide emissions are
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the primary driver of climate change,
 

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the primary driver of climate change,
which is objectively happening, Lee has

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which is objectively happening, Lee has
 

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which is objectively happening, Lee has
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already enacted major efforts towards
 

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already enacted major efforts towards
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rolling back environmental protections
 

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rolling back environmental protections
of all varieties. He headlined the

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of all varieties. He headlined the
 

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of all varieties. He headlined the
fringe conservative project 2025

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fringe conservative project 2025
 

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fringe conservative project 2025
adjacent Heartland conference, which

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adjacent Heartland conference, which
 

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adjacent Heartland conference, which
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promotes climate change denial of the
 

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promotes climate change denial of the
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most cartoonish variety. The first EPA
 

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most cartoonish variety. The first EPA
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head to ever do such a thing. and he was
 

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head to ever do such a thing. and he was
treated like a [\h__\h] rock star by all

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treated like a [\h__\h] rock star by all
 

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treated like a [\h__\h] rock star by all
the fossil fuel execs who have been

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the fossil fuel execs who have been
 

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the fossil fuel execs who have been
waiting for a guy like this for decades.

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waiting for a guy like this for decades.
 

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waiting for a guy like this for decades.
If you'd like to think that this is

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If you'd like to think that this is
 

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If you'd like to think that this is
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coming from a place of scientific
expertise, think again. He's a lawyer

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expertise, think again. He's a lawyer
 

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expertise, think again. He's a lawyer
and politician. He knows nothing about

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and politician. He knows nothing about
 

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and politician. He knows nothing about
climate science or any science at all.

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climate science or any science at all.
 

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climate science or any science at all.
He's a puppet for deregulation, nothing

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He's a puppet for deregulation, nothing
 

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He's a puppet for deregulation, nothing
more. And dismantling the EPA is indeed

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more. And dismantling the EPA is indeed
 

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more. And dismantling the EPA is indeed
one of the day one priorities of Project

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one of the day one priorities of Project
 

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one of the day one priorities of Project
2025. So, that should put his

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2025. So, that should put his
 

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2025. So, that should put his
appointment in the proper context. The

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appointment in the proper context. The
 

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appointment in the proper context. The
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purpose of this video is not to convince
 

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purpose of this video is not to convince
anyone that climate change is real. It

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anyone that climate change is real. It
 

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anyone that climate change is real. It
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is. Anthropogenic climate change is
 

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is. Anthropogenic climate change is
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objectively real. There is no arguing
 

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objectively real. There is no arguing
this. If you need help understanding why

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this. If you need help understanding why
 

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this. If you need help understanding why
this is the case, watch my exceptionally

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this is the case, watch my exceptionally
 

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this is the case, watch my exceptionally
thorough video debunking the script of

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thorough video debunking the script of
 

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thorough video debunking the script of
lies pedled by Matt Ridley, the coal

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lies pedled by Matt Ridley, the coal
 

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lies pedled by Matt Ridley, the coal
baron. It goes through a mountain of

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baron. It goes through a mountain of
 

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baron. It goes through a mountain of
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primary literature demonstrating the
 

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primary literature demonstrating the
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precise amount of warming that has
 

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precise amount of warming that has
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occurred since a pre-industrial
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baseline, the catastrophes that await us
 

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baseline, the catastrophes that await us
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should certain levels of warming be
 

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should certain levels of warming be
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reached, and the timeline we're on for
 

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reached, and the timeline we're on for
that to happen. It's about 20 years, by

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that to happen. It's about 20 years, by
 

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that to happen. It's about 20 years, by
the way. The science is not vague or

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the way. The science is not vague or
 

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the way. The science is not vague or
inconclusive in the slightest, and I'm

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inconclusive in the slightest, and I'm
 

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inconclusive in the slightest, and I'm
going to operate according to that firm

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going to operate according to that firm
 

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going to operate according to that firm
knowledge in this video. The goal today

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knowledge in this video. The goal today
 

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knowledge in this video. The goal today
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is to look at Lee's policies and
 

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is to look at Lee's policies and
demonstrate that he is a gigantic bag of

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demonstrate that he is a gigantic bag of
 

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demonstrate that he is a gigantic bag of
dicks whose only purpose is to do

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dicks whose only purpose is to do
 

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dicks whose only purpose is to do
everything he can to assist the private

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everything he can to assist the private
 

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everything he can to assist the private
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sector in destroying the environment and
 

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sector in destroying the environment and
severely endangering the entire global

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severely endangering the entire global
 

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severely endangering the entire global
human population. Sound good? Great.

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human population. Sound good? Great.
 

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human population. Sound good? Great.
First things first, under Lee, the EPA

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First things first, under Lee, the EPA
 

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First things first, under Lee, the EPA
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repealed the 2009 Endangerment Finding,
 

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repealed the 2009 Endangerment Finding,
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which stated that greenhouse gas
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emissions threaten public health and
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welfare, since they [\h__\h] do, and
 

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welfare, since they [\h__\h] do, and
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which is the underpinning of nearly all
 

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which is the underpinning of nearly all
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climate regulations under the Clean Air
 

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climate regulations under the Clean Air
Act for all major pollution sources.

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Act for all major pollution sources.
 

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Act for all major pollution sources.
This repeal eliminates all greenhouse

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This repeal eliminates all greenhouse
 

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This repeal eliminates all greenhouse
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gas emission standards and may very well
 

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gas emission standards and may very well
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lead to a broader undoing of more
 

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lead to a broader undoing of more
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regulations. So, basically, the head of
 

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regulations. So, basically, the head of
the EPA said, "Hey, everyone, pollute

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the EPA said, "Hey, everyone, pollute
 

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the EPA said, "Hey, everyone, pollute
the air as much as you want." Stunning.

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the air as much as you want." Stunning.
 

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the air as much as you want." Stunning.
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No. Plenty of experts have made
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appropriately critical statements citing
 

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appropriately critical statements citing
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the fact that there is zero basis for
 

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the fact that there is zero basis for
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arbitrarily overturning the firm results
 

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arbitrarily overturning the firm results
of decades of research. But Lee and

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of decades of research. But Lee and
 

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of decades of research. But Lee and
Trump shot back with blah blah libtards

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Trump shot back with blah blah libtards
 

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Trump shot back with blah blah libtards
blah blah Obama something something.

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blah blah Obama something something.
 

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blah blah Obama something something.
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Next, not directly pertaining to Lee,
but Trump has also decided to halt a

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but Trump has also decided to halt a
 

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but Trump has also decided to halt a
research initiative involving over 900

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research initiative involving over 900
 

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research initiative involving over 900
deep sea ocean sensors distributed

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deep sea ocean sensors distributed
 

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deep sea ocean sensors distributed
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around the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.
 

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around the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.
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These monitor temperature, salinity,
 

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These monitor temperature, salinity,
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change in ocean currents and more. One
 

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change in ocean currents and more. One
of the ramifications of climate change

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of the ramifications of climate change
 

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of the ramifications of climate change
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beyond simply higher average global
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temperatures is increased melting of the
 

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temperatures is increased melting of the
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polar ice caps which introduces massive
 

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polar ice caps which introduces massive
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amounts of fresh water to salty oceans.
 

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amounts of fresh water to salty oceans.
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Fresh water is less dense than salt
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water. So this disrupts natural density
 

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water. So this disrupts natural density
driven circulation which we call ocean

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driven circulation which we call ocean
 

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driven circulation which we call ocean
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currents. These currents are essentially
 

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currents. These currents are essentially
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huge conveyor belts of water that
 

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huge conveyor belts of water that
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regulate climate and weather patterns
 

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regulate climate and weather patterns
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bringing warmer water to the poles and
 

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bringing warmer water to the poles and
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cooler water to the equator. As this
 

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cooler water to the equator. As this
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disruption continues with increased
 

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disruption continues with increased
warming, apart from the enormous problem

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warming, apart from the enormous problem
 

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warming, apart from the enormous problem
of sea level rise, there are issues

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of sea level rise, there are issues
 

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of sea level rise, there are issues
regarding ocean acidification, fishing,

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regarding ocean acidification, fishing,
 

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regarding ocean acidification, fishing,
hurricanes, rainfall, droughts, and

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hurricanes, rainfall, droughts, and
 

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hurricanes, rainfall, droughts, and
therefore agriculture. We are talking

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therefore agriculture. We are talking
 

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therefore agriculture. We are talking
about widespread crop failures which

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about widespread crop failures which
 

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about widespread crop failures which
could lead to mass starvation. It's a

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could lead to mass starvation. It's a
 

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could lead to mass starvation. It's a
complete catastrophe. So, not only did

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complete catastrophe. So, not only did
 

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complete catastrophe. So, not only did
Trump decide we're going to do

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Trump decide we're going to do
 

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Trump decide we're going to do
absolutely [\h__\h] all to prevent it, he

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absolutely [\h__\h] all to prevent it, he
 

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absolutely [\h__\h] all to prevent it, he
wants to make sure we can't even monitor

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wants to make sure we can't even monitor
 

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wants to make sure we can't even monitor
how close we are to all this [\h__\h]

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how close we are to all this [\h__\h]
 

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how close we are to all this [\h__\h]
happening. If we're blind to the damage,

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happening. If we're blind to the damage,
 

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happening. If we're blind to the damage,
nobody can be held accountable, right?

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nobody can be held accountable, right?
 

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nobody can be held accountable, right?
And why limit your careless destruction

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And why limit your careless destruction
 

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And why limit your careless destruction
to America when you can [\h__\h] over the

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to America when you can [\h__\h] over the
 

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to America when you can [\h__\h] over the
whole world, right? Moving right along.

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whole world, right? Moving right along.
 

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whole world, right? Moving right along.
As much as I would love to not have to

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As much as I would love to not have to
 

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As much as I would love to not have to
talk about Bobby Kennedy for a single

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talk about Bobby Kennedy for a single
 

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talk about Bobby Kennedy for a single
day in my life, Lee's crusade of science

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day in my life, Lee's crusade of science
 

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day in my life, Lee's crusade of science
denial overlaps tremendously with

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denial overlaps tremendously with
 

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denial overlaps tremendously with
Bobby's Maha movement. These two figures

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Bobby's Maha movement. These two figures
 

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Bobby's Maha movement. These two figures
are not just about denying pillars of

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are not just about denying pillars of
 

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are not just about denying pillars of
science but also loosening regulations

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science but also loosening regulations
 

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science but also loosening regulations
for harmful substances. First up, poly

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for harmful substances. First up, poly
 

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for harmful substances. First up, poly
floroalkkal substances or PAS. These are

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floroalkkal substances or PAS. These are
 

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floroalkkal substances or PAS. These are
so-called forever chemicals, meaning

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so-called forever chemicals, meaning
 

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so-called forever chemicals, meaning
they do not readily degrade like most

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they do not readily degrade like most
 

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they do not readily degrade like most
other compounds. Their accumulation in

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other compounds. Their accumulation in
 

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other compounds. Their accumulation in
soil and water, which leads to human

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soil and water, which leads to human
 

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soil and water, which leads to human
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exposure, is linked to cancer and other
 

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exposure, is linked to cancer and other
health issues. Remember, Bobby wouldn't

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health issues. Remember, Bobby wouldn't
 

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health issues. Remember, Bobby wouldn't
shut up about these things during his

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shut up about these things during his
 

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shut up about these things during his
2024 presidential campaign. the

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2024 presidential campaign. the
 

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2024 presidential campaign. the
potential harm they cause was one of his

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potential harm they cause was one of his
 

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potential harm they cause was one of his
favorite talking points for seeming like

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favorite talking points for seeming like
 

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favorite talking points for seeming like
a champion of the people. Keep that in

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a champion of the people. Keep that in
 

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a champion of the people. Keep that in
the back of your head as we get some

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the back of your head as we get some
 

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the back of your head as we get some
background information on these

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background information on these
 

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background information on these
substances. The environmental

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substances. The environmental
 

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substances. The environmental
persistence of PAS stems from the

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persistence of PAS stems from the
 

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persistence of PAS stems from the
fundamental properties of florine as the

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fundamental properties of florine as the
 

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fundamental properties of florine as the
most electrogative element on the

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most electrogative element on the
 

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most electrogative element on the
periodic table. The introduction of

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periodic table. The introduction of
 

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periodic table. The introduction of
florine into organic molecules

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florine into organic molecules
 

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florine into organic molecules
significantly alters their

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significantly alters their
 

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significantly alters their
physicochemical properties. The strength

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physicochemical properties. The strength
 

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physicochemical properties. The strength
of the carbon florine bond gives these

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of the carbon florine bond gives these
 

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of the carbon florine bond gives these
substances high thermal and chemical

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substances high thermal and chemical
 

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substances high thermal and chemical
stability and polymers filled with these

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stability and polymers filled with these
 

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stability and polymers filled with these
bonds exhibit a surface tension that is

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bonds exhibit a surface tension that is
 

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bonds exhibit a surface tension that is
much lower than that of conventional

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much lower than that of conventional
 

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much lower than that of conventional
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polymers. The definition of PAS is
 

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polymers. The definition of PAS is
continuously evolving. Generally we are

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continuously evolving. Generally we are
 

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continuously evolving. Generally we are
talking about chemicals with at least

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talking about chemicals with at least
 

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talking about chemicals with at least
one per florinated methyl group CF3 or a

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one per florinated methyl group CF3 or a
 

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one per florinated methyl group CF3 or a
perllorinated methylene group CF2.

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perllorinated methylene group CF2.
 

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perllorinated methylene group CF2.
Commercially PAS are produced via two

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Commercially PAS are produced via two
 

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Commercially PAS are produced via two
main pathways electrochemical

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main pathways electrochemical
 

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main pathways electrochemical
florination and fueltric methods. These

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florination and fueltric methods. These
 

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florination and fueltric methods. These
different industrial manufacturing

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different industrial manufacturing
 

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different industrial manufacturing
processes allow for millions of

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processes allow for millions of
 

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processes allow for millions of
potential structural variations and

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potential structural variations and
 

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potential structural variations and
there are indeed thousands of such

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there are indeed thousands of such
 

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there are indeed thousands of such
compounds that are widely used. PFOA or

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compounds that are widely used. PFOA or
 

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compounds that are widely used. PFOA or
perflloroctinoic acid and PFOS or

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perflloroctinoic acid and PFOS or
 

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perflloroctinoic acid and PFOS or
perflloroctane sulfonate are the two

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perflloroctane sulfonate are the two
 

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perflloroctane sulfonate are the two
most prevalent contaminants often

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most prevalent contaminants often
 

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most prevalent contaminants often
referred to as legacy PAS. These are

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referred to as legacy PAS. These are
 

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referred to as legacy PAS. These are
used in the manufacturing of Teflon for

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used in the manufacturing of Teflon for
 

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used in the manufacturing of Teflon for
non-stick cookware, waterproof clothing,

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non-stick cookware, waterproof clothing,
 

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non-stick cookware, waterproof clothing,
stain resistant carpeting, packaging,

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stain resistant carpeting, packaging,
 

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stain resistant carpeting, packaging,
surfactants, all kinds of stuff. They're

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surfactants, all kinds of stuff. They're
 

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surfactants, all kinds of stuff. They're
are very neat and useful compounds with

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are very neat and useful compounds with
 

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are very neat and useful compounds with
many applications, but they do not

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many applications, but they do not
 

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many applications, but they do not
belong inside the human body. Good so

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belong inside the human body. Good so
 

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belong inside the human body. Good so
far. Now, unfortunately, this enormous

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far. Now, unfortunately, this enormous
 

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far. Now, unfortunately, this enormous
diversity of PAS variants presents a

462
00:08:01,510 --> 00:08:01,520
diversity of PAS variants presents a
 

463
00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,589
diversity of PAS variants presents a
major challenge due to the severe data

464
00:08:03,589 --> 00:08:03,599
major challenge due to the severe data
 

465
00:08:03,599 --> 00:08:05,830
major challenge due to the severe data
gaps in their toxicity. Shorter chain

466
00:08:05,830 --> 00:08:05,840
gaps in their toxicity. Shorter chain
 

467
00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,469
gaps in their toxicity. Shorter chain
alternatives often called emerging PAS

468
00:08:08,469 --> 00:08:08,479
alternatives often called emerging PAS
 

469
00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:10,230
alternatives often called emerging PAS
are not necessarily safer than the

470
00:08:10,230 --> 00:08:10,240
are not necessarily safer than the
 

471
00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,070
are not necessarily safer than the
legacy compounds and the smaller

472
00:08:12,070 --> 00:08:12,080
legacy compounds and the smaller
 

473
00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,070
legacy compounds and the smaller
compounds can also be volatile enough to

474
00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:14,080
compounds can also be volatile enough to
 

475
00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,990
compounds can also be volatile enough to
be detected in the atmosphere. In

476
00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:16,000
be detected in the atmosphere. In
 

477
00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,070
be detected in the atmosphere. In
aquatic models, these newer variants

478
00:08:18,070 --> 00:08:18,080
aquatic models, these newer variants
 

479
00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,309
aquatic models, these newer variants
trigger tissue specific disruptions

480
00:08:20,309 --> 00:08:20,319
trigger tissue specific disruptions
 

481
00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:22,309
trigger tissue specific disruptions
including enzyme modulation and

482
00:08:22,309 --> 00:08:22,319
including enzyme modulation and
 

483
00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:24,629
including enzyme modulation and
inhibited antioxidant pathways in the

484
00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:24,639
inhibited antioxidant pathways in the
 

485
00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:26,710
inhibited antioxidant pathways in the
digestive system. These are findings

486
00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:26,720
digestive system. These are findings
 

487
00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,230
digestive system. These are findings
that highlight the need for new

488
00:08:28,230 --> 00:08:28,240
that highlight the need for new
 

489
00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,550
that highlight the need for new
comprehensive biomarker assessments to

490
00:08:30,550 --> 00:08:30,560
comprehensive biomarker assessments to
 

491
00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,870
comprehensive biomarker assessments to
monitor the effects of emerging PAS.

492
00:08:32,870 --> 00:08:32,880
monitor the effects of emerging PAS.
 

493
00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,550
monitor the effects of emerging PAS.
Having no data on most of these

494
00:08:34,550 --> 00:08:34,560
Having no data on most of these
 

495
00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:36,790
Having no data on most of these
compounds makes it a stupid gamble not

496
00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:36,800
compounds makes it a stupid gamble not
 

497
00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,630
compounds makes it a stupid gamble not
to regulate them given the toxic

498
00:08:38,630 --> 00:08:38,640
to regulate them given the toxic
 

499
00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,709
to regulate them given the toxic
properties observed in the few PAS we

500
00:08:40,709 --> 00:08:40,719
properties observed in the few PAS we
 

501
00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:42,550
properties observed in the few PAS we
actually have a good amount of data on.

502
00:08:42,550 --> 00:08:42,560
actually have a good amount of data on.
 

503
00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:45,110
actually have a good amount of data on.
The toxicological profile of PAS was

504
00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:45,120
The toxicological profile of PAS was
 

505
00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,190
The toxicological profile of PAS was
first brought to light in the 1950s.

506
00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:47,200
first brought to light in the 1950s.
 

507
00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,190
first brought to light in the 1950s.
Early academic research demonstrated

508
00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:49,200
Early academic research demonstrated
 

509
00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,670
Early academic research demonstrated
that these compounds bind to proteins in

510
00:08:51,670 --> 00:08:51,680
that these compounds bind to proteins in
 

511
00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:54,230
that these compounds bind to proteins in
human blood. Researchers at DuPont, one

512
00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:54,240
human blood. Researchers at DuPont, one
 

513
00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,910
human blood. Researchers at DuPont, one
of the largest manufacturers at the

514
00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:55,920
of the largest manufacturers at the
 

515
00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,230
of the largest manufacturers at the
time, received preliminary reports which

516
00:08:58,230 --> 00:08:58,240
time, received preliminary reports which
 

517
00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,710
time, received preliminary reports which
revealed that PFOA exposure led to

518
00:09:00,710 --> 00:09:00,720
revealed that PFOA exposure led to
 

519
00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,829
revealed that PFOA exposure led to
hepidomegali or enlarged liver in rats.

520
00:09:03,829 --> 00:09:03,839
hepidomegali or enlarged liver in rats.
 

521
00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:05,750
hepidomegali or enlarged liver in rats.
These findings were largely withheld

522
00:09:05,750 --> 00:09:05,760
These findings were largely withheld
 

523
00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,670
These findings were largely withheld
from regulatory bodies allowing

524
00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:07,680
from regulatory bodies allowing
 

525
00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:09,829
from regulatory bodies allowing
unmititigated environmental disposal to

526
00:09:09,829 --> 00:09:09,839
unmititigated environmental disposal to
 

527
00:09:09,839 --> 00:09:12,310
unmititigated environmental disposal to
continue near manufacturing sites.

528
00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:12,320
continue near manufacturing sites.
 

529
00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,310
continue near manufacturing sites.
Unlike classic persistent organic

530
00:09:14,310 --> 00:09:14,320
Unlike classic persistent organic
 

531
00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,990
Unlike classic persistent organic
pollutants which are often stored in

532
00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:16,000
pollutants which are often stored in
 

533
00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,470
pollutants which are often stored in
fatty tissues, PAS mimics the properties

534
00:09:18,470 --> 00:09:18,480
fatty tissues, PAS mimics the properties
 

535
00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,870
fatty tissues, PAS mimics the properties
of surfactants and fatty acids. This

536
00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:20,880
of surfactants and fatty acids. This
 

537
00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,430
of surfactants and fatty acids. This
tendency biomagnifies PAS up the food

538
00:09:23,430 --> 00:09:23,440
tendency biomagnifies PAS up the food
 

539
00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,910
tendency biomagnifies PAS up the food
chain by binding to serum proteins and

540
00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:25,920
chain by binding to serum proteins and
 

541
00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,550
chain by binding to serum proteins and
liver tissue. Modern epidemiological and

542
00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:28,560
liver tissue. Modern epidemiological and
 

543
00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,949
liver tissue. Modern epidemiological and
toxicological consensus confirms that

544
00:09:30,949 --> 00:09:30,959
toxicological consensus confirms that
 

545
00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:33,269
toxicological consensus confirms that
PAS exposure is detrimental to human

546
00:09:33,269 --> 00:09:33,279
PAS exposure is detrimental to human
 

547
00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,110
PAS exposure is detrimental to human
health. While the bioaccumulation

548
00:09:35,110 --> 00:09:35,120
health. While the bioaccumulation
 

549
00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,030
health. While the bioaccumulation
mechanism is not well understood,

550
00:09:37,030 --> 00:09:37,040
mechanism is not well understood,
 

551
00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,030
mechanism is not well understood,
computational simulations reveal that

552
00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:39,040
computational simulations reveal that
 

553
00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,110
computational simulations reveal that
short-chain variants spontaneously

554
00:09:41,110 --> 00:09:41,120
short-chain variants spontaneously
 

555
00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,430
short-chain variants spontaneously
aggregate into submicels whereas

556
00:09:43,430 --> 00:09:43,440
aggregate into submicels whereas
 

557
00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,990
aggregate into submicels whereas
longchain compounds must absorb onto the

558
00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:46,000
longchain compounds must absorb onto the
 

559
00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,590
longchain compounds must absorb onto the
cell membrane surface before

560
00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:47,600
cell membrane surface before
 

561
00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,190
cell membrane surface before
transllocating across it.

562
00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:49,200
transllocating across it.
 

563
00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,590
transllocating across it.
Bioaccumulation of these compounds has

564
00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:51,600
Bioaccumulation of these compounds has
 

565
00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,670
Bioaccumulation of these compounds has
been linked to liver and kidney disease,

566
00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:53,680
been linked to liver and kidney disease,
 

567
00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,829
been linked to liver and kidney disease,
thyroid and reproductive dysfunction,

568
00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:55,839
thyroid and reproductive dysfunction,
 

569
00:09:55,839 --> 00:09:57,590
thyroid and reproductive dysfunction,
elevated serum cholesterol, and

570
00:09:57,590 --> 00:09:57,600
elevated serum cholesterol, and
 

571
00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,070
elevated serum cholesterol, and
testicular cancer. The legacy compounds

572
00:10:00,070 --> 00:10:00,080
testicular cancer. The legacy compounds
 

573
00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,269
testicular cancer. The legacy compounds
PFOA and PFOS are routinely detected at

574
00:10:03,269 --> 00:10:03,279
PFOA and PFOS are routinely detected at
 

575
00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:05,269
PFOA and PFOS are routinely detected at
higher concentrations in human serum

576
00:10:05,269 --> 00:10:05,279
higher concentrations in human serum
 

577
00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:07,910
higher concentrations in human serum
than any other PAS variants. This high

578
00:10:07,910 --> 00:10:07,920
than any other PAS variants. This high
 

579
00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,150
than any other PAS variants. This high
systemic prevalence is concerning given

580
00:10:10,150 --> 00:10:10,160
systemic prevalence is concerning given
 

581
00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,509
systemic prevalence is concerning given
their recent carcinogenic

582
00:10:11,509 --> 00:10:11,519
their recent carcinogenic
 

583
00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:13,509
their recent carcinogenic
classifications by the International

584
00:10:13,509 --> 00:10:13,519
classifications by the International
 

585
00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:15,590
classifications by the International
Agency for Research on Cancer, which

586
00:10:15,590 --> 00:10:15,600
Agency for Research on Cancer, which
 

587
00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,829
Agency for Research on Cancer, which
designated PFOA as a group one

588
00:10:17,829 --> 00:10:17,839
designated PFOA as a group one
 

589
00:10:17,839 --> 00:10:19,910
designated PFOA as a group one
carcinogen, meaning carcinogenic to

590
00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:19,920
carcinogen, meaning carcinogenic to
 

591
00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,470
carcinogen, meaning carcinogenic to
humans, and PFOS as a group 2B

592
00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:22,480
humans, and PFOS as a group 2B
 

593
00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,230
humans, and PFOS as a group 2B
carcinogen, meaning possibly

594
00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:24,240
carcinogen, meaning possibly
 

595
00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,030
carcinogen, meaning possibly
carcinogenic to humans. Various PAS

596
00:10:27,030 --> 00:10:27,040
carcinogenic to humans. Various PAS
 

597
00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,710
carcinogenic to humans. Various PAS
remediation strategies have been

598
00:10:28,710 --> 00:10:28,720
remediation strategies have been
 

599
00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,949
remediation strategies have been
developed, but the vast scale and

600
00:10:30,949 --> 00:10:30,959
developed, but the vast scale and
 

601
00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:33,269
developed, but the vast scale and
complex matrix of contaminated media

602
00:10:33,269 --> 00:10:33,279
complex matrix of contaminated media
 

603
00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,590
complex matrix of contaminated media
present challenges. While contaminated

604
00:10:35,590 --> 00:10:35,600
present challenges. While contaminated
 

605
00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,190
present challenges. While contaminated
water can be actively routed through

606
00:10:37,190 --> 00:10:37,200
water can be actively routed through
 

607
00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,670
water can be actively routed through
localized treatment infrastructure, soil

608
00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:39,680
localized treatment infrastructure, soil
 

609
00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,910
localized treatment infrastructure, soil
contamination remains more difficult due

610
00:10:41,910 --> 00:10:41,920
contamination remains more difficult due
 

611
00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,150
contamination remains more difficult due
to the immobilization of PAS within the

612
00:10:44,150 --> 00:10:44,160
to the immobilization of PAS within the
 

613
00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,150
to the immobilization of PAS within the
soil slowly entering the groundwater

614
00:10:46,150 --> 00:10:46,160
soil slowly entering the groundwater
 

615
00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,710
soil slowly entering the groundwater
over time. Longer chain PAS can also

616
00:10:48,710 --> 00:10:48,720
over time. Longer chain PAS can also
 

617
00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,110
over time. Longer chain PAS can also
degrade into shorter chain PAS which are

618
00:10:51,110 --> 00:10:51,120
degrade into shorter chain PAS which are
 

619
00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,110
degrade into shorter chain PAS which are
generally more difficult to remove. To

620
00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:53,120
generally more difficult to remove. To
 

621
00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,350
generally more difficult to remove. To
address this contamination, engineers

622
00:10:55,350 --> 00:10:55,360
address this contamination, engineers
 

623
00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:56,949
address this contamination, engineers
utilize both destructive and

624
00:10:56,949 --> 00:10:56,959
utilize both destructive and
 

625
00:10:56,959 --> 00:10:59,430
utilize both destructive and
non-destructive treatment methods. This

626
00:10:59,430 --> 00:10:59,440
non-destructive treatment methods. This
 

627
00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,509
non-destructive treatment methods. This
2022 paper outlines a field

628
00:11:01,509 --> 00:11:01,519
2022 paper outlines a field
 

629
00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:03,910
2022 paper outlines a field
demonstration towards remediation of PAS

630
00:11:03,910 --> 00:11:03,920
demonstration towards remediation of PAS
 

631
00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,910
demonstration towards remediation of PAS
in groundwater via a coupling ion

632
00:11:05,910 --> 00:11:05,920
in groundwater via a coupling ion
 

633
00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,870
in groundwater via a coupling ion
exchange resin. This 2025 paper outlines

634
00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:08,880
exchange resin. This 2025 paper outlines
 

635
00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,870
exchange resin. This 2025 paper outlines
a broad overview of the status of these

636
00:11:10,870 --> 00:11:10,880
a broad overview of the status of these
 

637
00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,710
a broad overview of the status of these
treatment efforts and barriers to

638
00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:12,720
treatment efforts and barriers to
 

639
00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,790
treatment efforts and barriers to
large-scale implementation and will be

640
00:11:14,790 --> 00:11:14,800
large-scale implementation and will be
 

641
00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,870
large-scale implementation and will be
linked below. Deploying these methods

642
00:11:16,870 --> 00:11:16,880
linked below. Deploying these methods
 

643
00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,870
linked below. Deploying these methods
past the laboratory scale remains a

644
00:11:18,870 --> 00:11:18,880
past the laboratory scale remains a
 

645
00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,110
past the laboratory scale remains a
large challenge due to high energy costs

646
00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:21,120
large challenge due to high energy costs
 

647
00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,430
large challenge due to high energy costs
and new infrastructure requirements.

648
00:11:23,430 --> 00:11:23,440
and new infrastructure requirements.
 

649
00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,590
and new infrastructure requirements.
Non-destructive methods primarily rely

650
00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:25,600
Non-destructive methods primarily rely
 

651
00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,910
Non-destructive methods primarily rely
on absorption using activated carbon or

652
00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:27,920
on absorption using activated carbon or
 

653
00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,069
on absorption using activated carbon or
polymers. They generate secondary waste

654
00:11:30,069 --> 00:11:30,079
polymers. They generate secondary waste
 

655
00:11:30,079 --> 00:11:31,829
polymers. They generate secondary waste
that requires further destructive

656
00:11:31,829 --> 00:11:31,839
that requires further destructive
 

657
00:11:31,839 --> 00:11:33,190
that requires further destructive
treatment or high temperature

658
00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:33,200
treatment or high temperature
 

659
00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,670
treatment or high temperature
incineration which can emit volatile PAS

660
00:11:35,670 --> 00:11:35,680
incineration which can emit volatile PAS
 

661
00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:37,990
incineration which can emit volatile PAS
into the atmosphere. Destructive methods

662
00:11:37,990 --> 00:11:38,000
into the atmosphere. Destructive methods
 

663
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,990
into the atmosphere. Destructive methods
like electrochemical oxidation and

664
00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:40,000
like electrochemical oxidation and
 

665
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,230
like electrochemical oxidation and
supercritical water oxidation offer

666
00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:42,240
supercritical water oxidation offer
 

667
00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,069
supercritical water oxidation offer
rapid and permanent destruction, but

668
00:11:44,069 --> 00:11:44,079
rapid and permanent destruction, but
 

669
00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:45,910
rapid and permanent destruction, but
they suffer from high electrode costs

670
00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:45,920
they suffer from high electrode costs
 

671
00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,069
they suffer from high electrode costs
and significant energy demands.

672
00:11:48,069 --> 00:11:48,079
and significant energy demands.
 

673
00:11:48,079 --> 00:11:50,310
and significant energy demands.
Photocatalysis and the use of plasma

674
00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:50,320
Photocatalysis and the use of plasma
 

675
00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,389
Photocatalysis and the use of plasma
tend to give incomplete degradation

676
00:11:52,389 --> 00:11:52,399
tend to give incomplete degradation
 

677
00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:54,470
tend to give incomplete degradation
which leads to shorter chain PAS and

678
00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:54,480
which leads to shorter chain PAS and
 

679
00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,550
which leads to shorter chain PAS and
toxic H hallogen byproducts. The

680
00:11:56,550 --> 00:11:56,560
toxic H hallogen byproducts. The
 

681
00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,550
toxic H hallogen byproducts. The
efficiency of these systems is also

682
00:11:58,550 --> 00:11:58,560
efficiency of these systems is also
 

683
00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:00,630
efficiency of these systems is also
severely compromised in real world

684
00:12:00,630 --> 00:12:00,640
severely compromised in real world
 

685
00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,710
severely compromised in real world
matrices due to competing organic

686
00:12:02,710 --> 00:12:02,720
matrices due to competing organic
 

687
00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,310
matrices due to competing organic
material that lowers oxidation

688
00:12:04,310 --> 00:12:04,320
material that lowers oxidation
 

689
00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,310
material that lowers oxidation
efficiency. We do not yet have the

690
00:12:06,310 --> 00:12:06,320
efficiency. We do not yet have the
 

691
00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,629
efficiency. We do not yet have the
technology to effectively remove PAS

692
00:12:08,629 --> 00:12:08,639
technology to effectively remove PAS
 

693
00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:10,470
technology to effectively remove PAS
from aquous solutions, rendering

694
00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:10,480
from aquous solutions, rendering
 

695
00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,790
from aquous solutions, rendering
immediate policy interventions the most

696
00:12:12,790 --> 00:12:12,800
immediate policy interventions the most
 

697
00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,550
immediate policy interventions the most
viable strategy to mitigate this

698
00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:14,560
viable strategy to mitigate this
 

699
00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:16,710
viable strategy to mitigate this
environmental crisis. In other words,

700
00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:16,720
environmental crisis. In other words,
 

701
00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,629
environmental crisis. In other words,
since we don't yet know how to get rid

702
00:12:18,629 --> 00:12:18,639
since we don't yet know how to get rid
 

703
00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:20,310
since we don't yet know how to get rid
of the stuff, we should try to figure

704
00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:20,320
of the stuff, we should try to figure
 

705
00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,230
of the stuff, we should try to figure
out how to stop introducing it to the

706
00:12:22,230 --> 00:12:22,240
out how to stop introducing it to the
 

707
00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,710
out how to stop introducing it to the
environment in high quantities. Okay,

708
00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:24,720
environment in high quantities. Okay,
 

709
00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,389
environment in high quantities. Okay,
that may have been slightly more science

710
00:12:26,389 --> 00:12:26,399
that may have been slightly more science
 

711
00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:27,990
that may have been slightly more science
than you were looking for. But even if

712
00:12:27,990 --> 00:12:28,000
than you were looking for. But even if
 

713
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,829
than you were looking for. But even if
not all of that stuck, the general

714
00:12:29,829 --> 00:12:29,839
not all of that stuck, the general
 

715
00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:31,509
not all of that stuck, the general
conclusion everyone can confidently

716
00:12:31,509 --> 00:12:31,519
conclusion everyone can confidently
 

717
00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,269
conclusion everyone can confidently
reach is that these substances are

718
00:12:33,269 --> 00:12:33,279
reach is that these substances are
 

719
00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:35,350
reach is that these substances are
damaging to the human body. Therefore,

720
00:12:35,350 --> 00:12:35,360
damaging to the human body. Therefore,
 

721
00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,190
damaging to the human body. Therefore,
their ingestion should be avoided as

722
00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:37,200
their ingestion should be avoided as
 

723
00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,110
their ingestion should be avoided as
much as possible, which requires that

724
00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:39,120
much as possible, which requires that
 

725
00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,269
much as possible, which requires that
their production and usage be strictly

726
00:12:41,269 --> 00:12:41,279
their production and usage be strictly
 

727
00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:44,310
their production and usage be strictly
regulated by oh, I don't know, perhaps a

728
00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:44,320
regulated by oh, I don't know, perhaps a
 

729
00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,069
regulated by oh, I don't know, perhaps a
government agency whose entire purpose

730
00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:46,079
government agency whose entire purpose
 

731
00:12:46,079 --> 00:12:48,389
government agency whose entire purpose
is to do exactly that. Lee is the head

732
00:12:48,389 --> 00:12:48,399
is to do exactly that. Lee is the head
 

733
00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:50,310
is to do exactly that. Lee is the head
of such an agency, the only one, in

734
00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:50,320
of such an agency, the only one, in
 

735
00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,069
of such an agency, the only one, in
fact. What did he decide to do about

736
00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:52,079
fact. What did he decide to do about
 

737
00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:54,629
fact. What did he decide to do about
this problem? He proposed to rescend

738
00:12:54,629 --> 00:12:54,639
this problem? He proposed to rescend
 

739
00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,949
this problem? He proposed to rescend
federal limits on PAS and drinking water

740
00:12:56,949 --> 00:12:56,959
federal limits on PAS and drinking water
 

741
00:12:56,959 --> 00:12:58,790
federal limits on PAS and drinking water
which were established by the Biden

742
00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:58,800
which were established by the Biden
 

743
00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,949
which were established by the Biden
administration. That's right. While

744
00:13:00,949 --> 00:13:00,959
administration. That's right. While
 

745
00:13:00,959 --> 00:13:02,870
administration. That's right. While
establishment Democrats tend to do the

746
00:13:02,870 --> 00:13:02,880
establishment Democrats tend to do the
 

747
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,870
establishment Democrats tend to do the
absolute bare minimum to abide by

748
00:13:04,870 --> 00:13:04,880
absolute bare minimum to abide by
 

749
00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,310
absolute bare minimum to abide by
something resembling environmental

750
00:13:06,310 --> 00:13:06,320
something resembling environmental
 

751
00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,550
something resembling environmental
protection, Republicans characterize

752
00:13:08,550 --> 00:13:08,560
protection, Republicans characterize
 

753
00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:10,710
protection, Republicans characterize
even that as ludicrous government

754
00:13:10,710 --> 00:13:10,720
even that as ludicrous government
 

755
00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,190
even that as ludicrous government
overreach and race to demolish the tiny

756
00:13:13,190 --> 00:13:13,200
overreach and race to demolish the tiny
 

757
00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,949
overreach and race to demolish the tiny
effort put forward to maintain the

758
00:13:14,949 --> 00:13:14,959
effort put forward to maintain the
 

759
00:13:14,959 --> 00:13:16,949
effort put forward to maintain the
safety of the citizenry, denigrating

760
00:13:16,949 --> 00:13:16,959
safety of the citizenry, denigrating
 

761
00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:18,870
safety of the citizenry, denigrating
them while doing so. In conjunction with

762
00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:18,880
them while doing so. In conjunction with
 

763
00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,629
them while doing so. In conjunction with
this, water suppliers that were given

764
00:13:20,629 --> 00:13:20,639
this, water suppliers that were given
 

765
00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:22,790
this, water suppliers that were given
until 2029 to comply with basic

766
00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:22,800
until 2029 to comply with basic
 

767
00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,509
until 2029 to comply with basic
standards will now be given until 2031.

768
00:13:25,509 --> 00:13:25,519
standards will now be given until 2031.
 

769
00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:27,110
standards will now be given until 2031.
So that's two more years of doing

770
00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:27,120
So that's two more years of doing
 

771
00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,949
So that's two more years of doing
nothing about harmful compounds in

772
00:13:28,949 --> 00:13:28,959
nothing about harmful compounds in
 

773
00:13:28,959 --> 00:13:30,870
nothing about harmful compounds in
drinking water nationwide. With

774
00:13:30,870 --> 00:13:30,880
drinking water nationwide. With
 

775
00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,030
drinking water nationwide. With
worthless frauds like Bobby and Lee,

776
00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:33,040
worthless frauds like Bobby and Lee,
 

777
00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,870
worthless frauds like Bobby and Lee,
it's nothing but say one thing and do

778
00:13:34,870 --> 00:13:34,880
it's nothing but say one thing and do
 

779
00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,110
it's nothing but say one thing and do
another. They'll build up a big platform

780
00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:37,120
another. They'll build up a big platform
 

781
00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,949
another. They'll build up a big platform
talking about the nasty chemicals from

782
00:13:38,949 --> 00:13:38,959
talking about the nasty chemicals from
 

783
00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:41,110
talking about the nasty chemicals from
the evil corporations because that's how

784
00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:41,120
the evil corporations because that's how
 

785
00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,790
the evil corporations because that's how
you garner support from the public

786
00:13:42,790 --> 00:13:42,800
you garner support from the public
 

787
00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,389
you garner support from the public
whether you're telling the truth or not.

788
00:13:44,389 --> 00:13:44,399
whether you're telling the truth or not.
 

789
00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:46,069
whether you're telling the truth or not.
And then they use the political power

790
00:13:46,069 --> 00:13:46,079
And then they use the political power
 

791
00:13:46,079 --> 00:13:48,150
And then they use the political power
they amass to make sure we are at

792
00:13:48,150 --> 00:13:48,160
they amass to make sure we are at
 

793
00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,230
they amass to make sure we are at
greater risk than ever from these very

794
00:13:50,230 --> 00:13:50,240
greater risk than ever from these very
 

795
00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,389
greater risk than ever from these very
same chemicals. It's like an abusive

796
00:13:52,389 --> 00:13:52,399
same chemicals. It's like an abusive
 

797
00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:54,470
same chemicals. It's like an abusive
boyfriend saying, "Baby, I would never

798
00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:54,480
boyfriend saying, "Baby, I would never
 

799
00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,470
boyfriend saying, "Baby, I would never
hurt you." Right before unleashing a

800
00:13:56,470 --> 00:13:56,480
hurt you." Right before unleashing a
 

801
00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,189
hurt you." Right before unleashing a
fury of drunken rage on your face,

802
00:13:59,189 --> 00:13:59,199
fury of drunken rage on your face,
 

803
00:13:59,199 --> 00:14:00,790
fury of drunken rage on your face,
demonstrating that traditional media

804
00:14:00,790 --> 00:14:00,800
demonstrating that traditional media
 

805
00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,790
demonstrating that traditional media
still occasionally has a spine. The New

806
00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:02,800
still occasionally has a spine. The New
 

807
00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,790
still occasionally has a spine. The New
Yorker ran a seven-page piece in April

808
00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:04,800
Yorker ran a seven-page piece in April
 

809
00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,110
Yorker ran a seven-page piece in April
called, "Can the EPA survive Lee

810
00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:07,120
called, "Can the EPA survive Lee
 

811
00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,790
called, "Can the EPA survive Lee
Zeldon?" written by Pulitzer

812
00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:08,800
Zeldon?" written by Pulitzer
 

813
00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,790
Zeldon?" written by Pulitzer
Prizewinning top staff writer Elizabeth

814
00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:10,800
Prizewinning top staff writer Elizabeth
 

815
00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,030
Prizewinning top staff writer Elizabeth
Colbert. The subtitle reads, "The

816
00:14:13,030 --> 00:14:13,040
Colbert. The subtitle reads, "The
 

817
00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,110
Colbert. The subtitle reads, "The
agency, which was founded to protect the

818
00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:15,120
agency, which was founded to protect the
 

819
00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,790
agency, which was founded to protect the
environment and human health, has

820
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:16,800
environment and human health, has
 

821
00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,870
environment and human health, has
canceled safety regulations, supported

822
00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:18,880
canceled safety regulations, supported
 

823
00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,790
canceled safety regulations, supported
coal, and stopped caring about climate

824
00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:20,800
coal, and stopped caring about climate
 

825
00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,269
coal, and stopped caring about climate
change." A summary paragraph notes the

826
00:14:23,269 --> 00:14:23,279
change." A summary paragraph notes the
 

827
00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:25,430
change." A summary paragraph notes the
following. In a little more than a year,

828
00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:25,440
following. In a little more than a year,
 

829
00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,470
following. In a little more than a year,
Zeldon has transformed the EPA from an

830
00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:28,480
Zeldon has transformed the EPA from an
 

831
00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,150
Zeldon has transformed the EPA from an
agency devoted to protecting human

832
00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:30,160
agency devoted to protecting human
 

833
00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,990
agency devoted to protecting human
health and the environment into one

834
00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:32,000
health and the environment into one
 

835
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,230
health and the environment into one
that, more or less openly, sides with

836
00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:34,240
that, more or less openly, sides with
 

837
00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,949
that, more or less openly, sides with
polluters. He has packed the EPA's upper

838
00:14:36,949 --> 00:14:36,959
polluters. He has packed the EPA's upper
 

839
00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:39,430
polluters. He has packed the EPA's upper
echelons with former industry lobbyists,

840
00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:39,440
echelons with former industry lobbyists,
 

841
00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,590
echelons with former industry lobbyists,
scrubbed entire databases of information

842
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:41,600
scrubbed entire databases of information
 

843
00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,590
scrubbed entire databases of information
from its website, and dissolved whole

844
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:43,600
from its website, and dissolved whole
 

845
00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,910
from its website, and dissolved whole
departments. Under his leadership, the

846
00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:45,920
departments. Under his leadership, the
 

847
00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,990
departments. Under his leadership, the
agency has ditched a long list of rules

848
00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:48,000
agency has ditched a long list of rules
 

849
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,750
agency has ditched a long list of rules
that industries had objected to,

850
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:49,760
that industries had objected to,
 

851
00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,509
that industries had objected to,
including regulations aimed at cutting

852
00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:51,519
including regulations aimed at cutting
 

853
00:14:51,519 --> 00:14:53,430
including regulations aimed at cutting
Americans exposure to arsenic, a known

854
00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:53,440
Americans exposure to arsenic, a known
 

855
00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,350
Americans exposure to arsenic, a known
carcinogen, mercury, a potential

856
00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:55,360
carcinogen, mercury, a potential
 

857
00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,310
carcinogen, mercury, a potential
neurotoxin, and PM25, a form of very

858
00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:58,320
neurotoxin, and PM25, a form of very
 

859
00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,230
neurotoxin, and PM25, a form of very
fine soot that has been shown to cause

860
00:15:00,230 --> 00:15:00,240
fine soot that has been shown to cause
 

861
00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,110
fine soot that has been shown to cause
asthma and lung disease. The EPA has not

862
00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:03,120
asthma and lung disease. The EPA has not
 

863
00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,870
asthma and lung disease. The EPA has not
only abandoned its own efforts to reign

864
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:04,880
only abandoned its own efforts to reign
 

865
00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,790
only abandoned its own efforts to reign
in greenhouse gas emissions, it has

866
00:15:06,790 --> 00:15:06,800
in greenhouse gas emissions, it has
 

867
00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,710
in greenhouse gas emissions, it has
stepped in to prevent states from taking

868
00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:08,720
stepped in to prevent states from taking
 

869
00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,750
stepped in to prevent states from taking
action. Amidst these concerns, Trump has

870
00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:11,760
action. Amidst these concerns, Trump has
 

871
00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,470
action. Amidst these concerns, Trump has
recently moved to slash EPA's budget by

872
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:14,480
recently moved to slash EPA's budget by
 

873
00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,870
recently moved to slash EPA's budget by
55%. A move that has generated

874
00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:16,880
55%. A move that has generated
 

875
00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,790
55%. A move that has generated
bipartisan outrage, an already

876
00:15:18,790 --> 00:15:18,800
bipartisan outrage, an already
 

877
00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,870
bipartisan outrage, an already
underfunded agency will be rendered

878
00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:20,880
underfunded agency will be rendered
 

879
00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,949
underfunded agency will be rendered
essentially impotent. clean water

880
00:15:22,949 --> 00:15:22,959
essentially impotent. clean water
 

881
00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:24,790
essentially impotent. clean water
infrastructure, ability to respond to

882
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:24,800
infrastructure, ability to respond to
 

883
00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,189
infrastructure, ability to respond to
emergencies, important research. All of

884
00:15:27,189 --> 00:15:27,199
emergencies, important research. All of
 

885
00:15:27,199 --> 00:15:29,030
emergencies, important research. All of
this will essentially vanish because

886
00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:29,040
this will essentially vanish because
 

887
00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,790
this will essentially vanish because
Trump can't spare less than his own

888
00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:30,800
Trump can't spare less than his own
 

889
00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,189
Trump can't spare less than his own
personal net worth to ensure a modocum

890
00:15:33,189 --> 00:15:33,199
personal net worth to ensure a modocum
 

891
00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:35,269
personal net worth to ensure a modocum
of safety for the public. It is

892
00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:35,279
of safety for the public. It is
 

893
00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:37,189
of safety for the public. It is
difficult to convey what an enormous

894
00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:37,199
difficult to convey what an enormous
 

895
00:15:37,199 --> 00:15:39,350
difficult to convey what an enormous
betrayal this is. It is also difficult

896
00:15:39,350 --> 00:15:39,360
betrayal this is. It is also difficult
 

897
00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,509
betrayal this is. It is also difficult
to find a better example to exemplify

898
00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:41,519
to find a better example to exemplify
 

899
00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,670
to find a better example to exemplify
the ethos of the Trump administration.

900
00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:43,680
the ethos of the Trump administration.
 

901
00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,430
the ethos of the Trump administration.
This is a government for billionaires

902
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:45,440
This is a government for billionaires
 

903
00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,430
This is a government for billionaires
only. This is a government that steals

904
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:47,440
only. This is a government that steals
 

905
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,670
only. This is a government that steals
tax dollars from its citizens and gives

906
00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:49,680
tax dollars from its citizens and gives
 

907
00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,430
tax dollars from its citizens and gives
them nothing in return except for

908
00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:51,440
them nothing in return except for
 

909
00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,910
them nothing in return except for
elevated cancer risk. Virtually every

910
00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:53,920
elevated cancer risk. Virtually every
 

911
00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,829
elevated cancer risk. Virtually every
social service has been eradicated,

912
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:55,839
social service has been eradicated,
 

913
00:15:55,839 --> 00:15:57,990
social service has been eradicated,
every consideration, every protection.

914
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:58,000
every consideration, every protection.
 

915
00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,590
every consideration, every protection.
The Trump administration is quite

916
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:59,600
The Trump administration is quite
 

917
00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,069
The Trump administration is quite
legitimately a criminal organization. A

918
00:16:02,069 --> 00:16:02,079
legitimately a criminal organization. A
 

919
00:16:02,079 --> 00:16:04,710
legitimately a criminal organization. A
literal felon hiring other criminals to

920
00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:04,720
literal felon hiring other criminals to
 

921
00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,110
literal felon hiring other criminals to
steal our health and wealth from us. The

922
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:07,120
steal our health and wealth from us. The
 

923
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,350
steal our health and wealth from us. The
effects of figures like Lee and Bobby

924
00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:09,360
effects of figures like Lee and Bobby
 

925
00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,030
effects of figures like Lee and Bobby
and Russ Vote and everyone else in

926
00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:11,040
and Russ Vote and everyone else in
 

927
00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,670
and Russ Vote and everyone else in
Trump's cabinet will linger for decades.

928
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:13,680
Trump's cabinet will linger for decades.
 

929
00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,749
Trump's cabinet will linger for decades.
Even the most progressive administration

930
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:15,759
Even the most progressive administration
 

931
00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:17,990
Even the most progressive administration
imaginable over eight full years in

932
00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:18,000
imaginable over eight full years in
 

933
00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,069
imaginable over eight full years in
office could not even begin to scratch

934
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:20,079
office could not even begin to scratch
 

935
00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:22,069
office could not even begin to scratch
the surface on the damage currently

936
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:22,079
the surface on the damage currently
 

937
00:16:22,079 --> 00:16:23,509
the surface on the damage currently
being done to every sector of

938
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:23,519
being done to every sector of
 

939
00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:25,749
being done to every sector of
government. Forget gerrymandering.

940
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:25,759
government. Forget gerrymandering.
 

941
00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:27,910
government. Forget gerrymandering.
Forget the assault on civil rights. We

942
00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:27,920
Forget the assault on civil rights. We
 

943
00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,990
Forget the assault on civil rights. We
are talking about the very water we

944
00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:30,000
are talking about the very water we
 

945
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,470
are talking about the very water we
drink and the air we breathe. These are

946
00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:32,480
drink and the air we breathe. These are
 

947
00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,870
drink and the air we breathe. These are
the things that most fundamentally shape

948
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:34,880
the things that most fundamentally shape
 

949
00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,949
the things that most fundamentally shape
our ability to exist in good health and

950
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:36,959
our ability to exist in good health and
 

951
00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:39,590
our ability to exist in good health and
seek happiness. No more fundamental

952
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:39,600
seek happiness. No more fundamental
 

953
00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,430
seek happiness. No more fundamental
constitutional violation could be

954
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:41,440
constitutional violation could be
 

955
00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,189
constitutional violation could be
conceivable. And while the public

956
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:43,199
conceivable. And while the public
 

957
00:16:43,199 --> 00:16:45,590
conceivable. And while the public
suffers, all we get is non-stop

958
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:45,600
suffers, all we get is non-stop
 

959
00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,870
suffers, all we get is non-stop
gaslighting from the Trump

960
00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:46,880
gaslighting from the Trump
 

961
00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,870
gaslighting from the Trump
administration. Much like childish

962
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:48,880
administration. Much like childish
 

963
00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,350
administration. Much like childish
communications from whitehouse.gov, such

964
00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:51,360
communications from whitehouse.gov, such
 

965
00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,870
communications from whitehouse.gov, such
as this embarrassing one about the

966
00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:52,880
as this embarrassing one about the
 

967
00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,110
as this embarrassing one about the
mythical trans mice, official statements

968
00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:55,120
mythical trans mice, official statements
 

969
00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,670
mythical trans mice, official statements
from department websites like EPA.gov,

970
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:57,680
from department websites like EPA.gov,
 

971
00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,550
from department websites like EPA.gov,
are now nothing but propaganda. EPA

972
00:17:00,550 --> 00:17:00,560
are now nothing but propaganda. EPA
 

973
00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,910
are now nothing but propaganda. EPA
advances comprehensive PAS strategy with

974
00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:03,920
advances comprehensive PAS strategy with
 

975
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,390
advances comprehensive PAS strategy with
legally defensible, practical,

976
00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:06,400
legally defensible, practical,
 

977
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,630
legally defensible, practical,
scientifically sound drinking water

978
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:08,640
scientifically sound drinking water
 

979
00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,789
scientifically sound drinking water
protections. My favorite part is that

980
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:10,799
protections. My favorite part is that
 

981
00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:13,270
protections. My favorite part is that
legally defensible is listed first,

982
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:13,280
legally defensible is listed first,
 

983
00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,870
legally defensible is listed first,
meaning that it's dressed up with legal

984
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:14,880
meaning that it's dressed up with legal
 

985
00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,549
meaning that it's dressed up with legal
jargon that a crooked lawyer could push

986
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:16,559
jargon that a crooked lawyer could push
 

987
00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:18,230
jargon that a crooked lawyer could push
through court, even though it's actually

988
00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:18,240
through court, even though it's actually
 

989
00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,870
through court, even though it's actually
all [\h__\h] But don't worry, this is a

990
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:20,880
all [\h__\h] But don't worry, this is a
 

991
00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,590
all [\h__\h] But don't worry, this is a
holistic approach that tackles PAS

992
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:23,600
holistic approach that tackles PAS
 

993
00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,669
holistic approach that tackles PAS
across its full life cycle to make

994
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:25,679
across its full life cycle to make
 

995
00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:27,990
across its full life cycle to make
America healthy again. Yes, that's

996
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:28,000
America healthy again. Yes, that's
 

997
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,990
America healthy again. Yes, that's
right. Bobby has his hands in this, too.

998
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:30,000
right. Bobby has his hands in this, too.
 

999
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,590
right. Bobby has his hands in this, too.
So, you know it's good. They are

1000
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:31,600
So, you know it's good. They are
 

1001
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,350
So, you know it's good. They are
correcting failures from those stupid

1002
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:33,360
correcting failures from those stupid
 

1003
00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:35,270
correcting failures from those stupid
jerks Biden and Harris. They're

1004
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:35,280
jerks Biden and Harris. They're
 

1005
00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,390
jerks Biden and Harris. They're
advancing gold standard science on PAS.

1006
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:38,400
advancing gold standard science on PAS.
 

1007
00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,789
advancing gold standard science on PAS.
Of course, once Russ Votto MB ruling

1008
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:40,799
Of course, once Russ Votto MB ruling
 

1009
00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:42,630
Of course, once Russ Votto MB ruling
goes through, that will just be code for

1010
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:42,640
goes through, that will just be code for
 

1011
00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,150
goes through, that will just be code for
research that confirms the state

1012
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:44,160
research that confirms the state
 

1013
00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,310
research that confirms the state
sanctioned narrative. They're taking on

1014
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:46,320
sanctioned narrative. They're taking on
 

1015
00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,029
sanctioned narrative. They're taking on
PAS the right way across the full life

1016
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:49,039
PAS the right way across the full life
 

1017
00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:51,909
PAS the right way across the full life
cycle and built to last. That's code for

1018
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:51,919
cycle and built to last. That's code for
 

1019
00:17:51,919 --> 00:17:53,270
cycle and built to last. That's code for
instead of preventing it from getting

1020
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:53,280
instead of preventing it from getting
 

1021
00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,029
instead of preventing it from getting
into the water, we will make up

1022
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:55,039
into the water, we will make up
 

1023
00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:56,870
into the water, we will make up
solutions to get it out after the fact

1024
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:56,880
solutions to get it out after the fact
 

1025
00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,710
solutions to get it out after the fact
that definitely won't work. And of

1026
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:58,720
that definitely won't work. And of
 

1027
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,310
that definitely won't work. And of
course, a little bit justifying the

1028
00:18:00,310 --> 00:18:00,320
course, a little bit justifying the
 

1029
00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,230
course, a little bit justifying the
2-year extension, saying that everyone

1030
00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:02,240
2-year extension, saying that everyone
 

1031
00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,070
2-year extension, saying that everyone
who complies with their agenda will get

1032
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:04,080
who complies with their agenda will get
 

1033
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,990
who complies with their agenda will get
the extension and those who don't will

1034
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:06,000
the extension and those who don't will
 

1035
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,630
the extension and those who don't will
not. It's just completely detestable

1036
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:08,640
not. It's just completely detestable
 

1037
00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,470
not. It's just completely detestable
that this is now the output of the

1038
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:10,480
that this is now the output of the
 

1039
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,470
that this is now the output of the
American government across every single

1040
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:12,480
American government across every single
 

1041
00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,549
American government across every single
department. Not a little lie here and

1042
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:14,559
department. Not a little lie here and
 

1043
00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:16,310
department. Not a little lie here and
there, not a little redressing of the

1044
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:16,320
there, not a little redressing of the
 

1045
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,470
there, not a little redressing of the
truth. We are talking about full-scale

1046
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:18,480
truth. We are talking about full-scale
 

1047
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,870
truth. We are talking about full-scale
gaslighting and reality reversal. The

1048
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:20,880
gaslighting and reality reversal. The
 

1049
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,789
gaslighting and reality reversal. The
announcement that they are going to do

1050
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:22,799
announcement that they are going to do
 

1051
00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:24,789
announcement that they are going to do
the precise opposite of what they are

1052
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:24,799
the precise opposite of what they are
 

1053
00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:26,390
the precise opposite of what they are
doing. To get some additional

1054
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:26,400
doing. To get some additional
 

1055
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,750
doing. To get some additional
perspective, let's speak with a few

1056
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:27,760
perspective, let's speak with a few
 

1057
00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,510
perspective, let's speak with a few
experts in the field. Those of you who

1058
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:29,520
experts in the field. Those of you who
 

1059
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,270
experts in the field. Those of you who
watched my video on Matt Ridley that I

1060
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:31,280
watched my video on Matt Ridley that I
 

1061
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,190
watched my video on Matt Ridley that I
mentioned earlier will remember Andrew

1062
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:33,200
mentioned earlier will remember Andrew
 

1063
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,110
mentioned earlier will remember Andrew
Destler, a professor of atmospheric

1064
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:35,120
Destler, a professor of atmospheric
 

1065
00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,190
Destler, a professor of atmospheric
sciences at Texas A&M, the director of

1066
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:37,200
sciences at Texas A&M, the director of
 

1067
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,270
sciences at Texas A&M, the director of
the Texas Center for Extreme Weather and

1068
00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:39,280
the Texas Center for Extreme Weather and
 

1069
00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,430
the Texas Center for Extreme Weather and
co-author of the science and politics of

1070
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:41,440
co-author of the science and politics of
 

1071
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,350
co-author of the science and politics of
global climate change. Perhaps he can

1072
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:43,360
global climate change. Perhaps he can
 

1073
00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:45,190
global climate change. Perhaps he can
weigh in on some of these issues.

1074
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:45,200
weigh in on some of these issues.
 

1075
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,789
weigh in on some of these issues.
Andrew, thanks so much for joining us.

1076
00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:46,799
Andrew, thanks so much for joining us.
 

1077
00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:48,789
Andrew, thanks so much for joining us.
Uh so I want to talk about uh these two

1078
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:48,799
Uh so I want to talk about uh these two
 

1079
00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:50,870
Uh so I want to talk about uh these two
things in particular here. Uh one thing

1080
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:50,880
things in particular here. Uh one thing
 

1081
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,549
things in particular here. Uh one thing
that I mentioned to my viewers was this

1082
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:52,559
that I mentioned to my viewers was this
 

1083
00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:55,110
that I mentioned to my viewers was this
repealing of the 2009 endangerment

1084
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:55,120
repealing of the 2009 endangerment
 

1085
00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:56,870
repealing of the 2009 endangerment
finding. I was hoping you could tell us

1086
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:56,880
finding. I was hoping you could tell us
 

1087
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,630
finding. I was hoping you could tell us
a little bit about what this finding

1088
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:58,640
a little bit about what this finding
 

1089
00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,549
a little bit about what this finding
was, how it relates to the Clean Air

1090
00:19:00,549 --> 00:19:00,559
was, how it relates to the Clean Air
 

1091
00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:03,029
was, how it relates to the Clean Air
Act, and what kinds of things we can

1092
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:03,039
Act, and what kinds of things we can
 

1093
00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:05,350
Act, and what kinds of things we can
expect now that it's been repealed.

1094
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:05,360
expect now that it's been repealed.
 

1095
00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:07,909
expect now that it's been repealed.
>> Right. So, uh, the Clean Air Act has

1096
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:07,919
>> Right. So, uh, the Clean Air Act has
 

1097
00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:09,510
>> Right. So, uh, the Clean Air Act has
written into it, and let me just say I'm

1098
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:09,520
written into it, and let me just say I'm
 

1099
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,870
written into it, and let me just say I'm
not a lawyer and I'm not quoting

1100
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:10,880
not a lawyer and I'm not quoting
 

1101
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,310
not a lawyer and I'm not quoting
directly from the law, but this is

1102
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:12,320
directly from the law, but this is
 

1103
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,029
directly from the law, but this is
essentially what it says is it says that

1104
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:15,039
essentially what it says is it says that
 

1105
00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:17,990
essentially what it says is it says that
any pollutant, something that you

1106
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:18,000
any pollutant, something that you
 

1107
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,870
any pollutant, something that you
release into the atmosphere that is

1108
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:20,880
release into the atmosphere that is
 

1109
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,430
release into the atmosphere that is
shown to endanger human health or

1110
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:23,440
shown to endanger human health or
 

1111
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,430
shown to endanger human health or
welfare, must be regulated by the EPA.

1112
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:27,440
welfare, must be regulated by the EPA.
 

1113
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,070
welfare, must be regulated by the EPA.
So, there there is no there is no choice

1114
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:30,080
So, there there is no there is no choice
 

1115
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,950
So, there there is no there is no choice
on that. And we reached that point um,

1116
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:32,960
on that. And we reached that point um,
 

1117
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,029
on that. And we reached that point um,
in the early 2000s. Some environmental

1118
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:35,039
in the early 2000s. Some environmental
 

1119
00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:37,190
in the early 2000s. Some environmental
organizations petitioned the EPA. They

1120
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:37,200
organizations petitioned the EPA. They
 

1121
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,430
organizations petitioned the EPA. They
said carbon dioxide, it endangers

1122
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:39,440
said carbon dioxide, it endangers
 

1123
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:40,710
said carbon dioxide, it endangers
people's health and welfare. You should

1124
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:40,720
people's health and welfare. You should
 

1125
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,870
people's health and welfare. You should
regulate it. And the that was the George

1126
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:42,880
regulate it. And the that was the George
 

1127
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,270
regulate it. And the that was the George
W. Bush EPA. It basically said no, we're

1128
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:45,280
W. Bush EPA. It basically said no, we're
 

1129
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,870
W. Bush EPA. It basically said no, we're
not going to do it. So they sued them.

1130
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:46,880
not going to do it. So they sued them.
 

1131
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,230
not going to do it. So they sued them.
It actually went up to the Supreme

1132
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:48,240
It actually went up to the Supreme
 

1133
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,750
It actually went up to the Supreme
Court. Supreme Court in 2007, Mass.

1134
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:51,760
Court. Supreme Court in 2007, Mass.
 

1135
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,390
Court. Supreme Court in 2007, Mass.
Massachusetts versus EPA

1136
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:54,400
Massachusetts versus EPA
 

1137
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,950
Massachusetts versus EPA
um uh basically confirmed that the Clean

1138
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:56,960
um uh basically confirmed that the Clean
 

1139
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,990
um uh basically confirmed that the Clean
Air Act said you had to do it. And so

1140
00:19:59,990 --> 00:20:00,000
Air Act said you had to do it. And so
 

1141
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,390
Air Act said you had to do it. And so
then it just determines

1142
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:02,400
then it just determines
 

1143
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,669
then it just determines
is carbon dioxide uh a danger to human

1144
00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:05,679
is carbon dioxide uh a danger to human
 

1145
00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:07,830
is carbon dioxide uh a danger to human
health and welfare. And that is made by

1146
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:07,840
health and welfare. And that is made by
 

1147
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,590
health and welfare. And that is made by
the EPA.

1148
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:09,600
the EPA.
 

1149
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,150
the EPA.
And so in in uh Obama took over in 2009

1150
00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:14,160
And so in in uh Obama took over in 2009
 

1151
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,950
And so in in uh Obama took over in 2009
and his EPA issued a statement which

1152
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:16,960
and his EPA issued a statement which
 

1153
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,470
and his EPA issued a statement which
said yes, carbon dioxide is a threat to

1154
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:20,480
said yes, carbon dioxide is a threat to
 

1155
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,470
said yes, carbon dioxide is a threat to
human health and welfare. And I should

1156
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:22,480
human health and welfare. And I should
 

1157
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,909
human health and welfare. And I should
add, this is actually sort of amusing,

1158
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:25,919
add, this is actually sort of amusing,
 

1159
00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:29,750
add, this is actually sort of amusing,
um, that Bush actually asked his EPA the

1160
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:29,760
um, that Bush actually asked his EPA the
 

1161
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,310
um, that Bush actually asked his EPA the
same thing. And his EPA, they got

1162
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:32,320
same thing. And his EPA, they got
 

1163
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,909
same thing. And his EPA, they got
together, they said, "Of course, this is

1164
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:33,919
together, they said, "Of course, this is
 

1165
00:20:33,919 --> 00:20:36,230
together, they said, "Of course, this is
dangerous." And so they sent an email to

1166
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:36,240
dangerous." And so they sent an email to
 

1167
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,230
dangerous." And so they sent an email to
the White House saying, "Yes, it's

1168
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:38,240
the White House saying, "Yes, it's
 

1169
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,990
the White House saying, "Yes, it's
dangerous." And the White House refused

1170
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:40,000
dangerous." And the White House refused
 

1171
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,510
dangerous." And the White House refused
to open the email. They just said,

1172
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:41,520
to open the email. They just said,
 

1173
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,909
to open the email. They just said,
"We're not going to open this email and

1174
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:43,919
"We're not going to open this email and
 

1175
00:20:43,919 --> 00:20:47,190
"We're not going to open this email and
send us another opinion." And basically,

1176
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:47,200
send us another opinion." And basically,
 

1177
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,710
send us another opinion." And basically,
this was about 6 months before the

1178
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:48,720
this was about 6 months before the
 

1179
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,310
this was about 6 months before the
election, and they just decided they

1180
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:50,320
election, and they just decided they
 

1181
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,430
election, and they just decided they
were going to run the clock out. They

1182
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:51,440
were going to run the clock out. They
 

1183
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,630
were going to run the clock out. They
knew they'd get sued, but they were

1184
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:52,640
knew they'd get sued, but they were
 

1185
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:53,669
knew they'd get sued, but they were
gonna leave it for the next president.

1186
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:53,679
gonna leave it for the next president.
 

1187
00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:55,430
gonna leave it for the next president.
So, the next president was Obama. His

1188
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:55,440
So, the next president was Obama. His
 

1189
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,190
So, the next president was Obama. His
EPA looked at it. They reached, "Of

1190
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:57,200
EPA looked at it. They reached, "Of
 

1191
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,190
EPA looked at it. They reached, "Of
course, this is a danger to human health

1192
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:59,200
course, this is a danger to human health
 

1193
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,549
course, this is a danger to human health
and welfare." So, they pass the

1194
00:21:00,549 --> 00:21:00,559
and welfare." So, they pass the
 

1195
00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:02,070
and welfare." So, they pass the
endangerment finding. Now, the

1196
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:02,080
endangerment finding. Now, the
 

1197
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,870
endangerment finding. Now, the
endangerment finding really works as the

1198
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:04,880
endangerment finding really works as the
 

1199
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,070
endangerment finding really works as the
bedrock to a lot of US climate

1200
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:08,080
bedrock to a lot of US climate
 

1201
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,230
bedrock to a lot of US climate
regulations because they kind of rely on

1202
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:10,240
regulations because they kind of rely on
 

1203
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,789
regulations because they kind of rely on
this for the justification to do it. And

1204
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:12,799
this for the justification to do it. And
 

1205
00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:15,990
this for the justification to do it. And
so this has been sort of the white whale

1206
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:16,000
so this has been sort of the white whale
 

1207
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,909
so this has been sort of the white whale
of of fossil fuel interests to get rid

1208
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:19,919
of of fossil fuel interests to get rid
 

1209
00:21:19,919 --> 00:21:20,630
of of fossil fuel interests to get rid
of

1210
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:20,640
of
 

1211
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,149
of
>> the endangerment finding that would

1212
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:22,159
>> the endangerment finding that would
 

1213
00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:24,149
>> the endangerment finding that would
allow them to try to sort of undercut

1214
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:24,159
allow them to try to sort of undercut
 

1215
00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:27,669
allow them to try to sort of undercut
the foundation of US climate policy. And

1216
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:27,679
the foundation of US climate policy. And
 

1217
00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:29,430
the foundation of US climate policy. And
so they've been trying for a very long

1218
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:29,440
so they've been trying for a very long
 

1219
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,190
so they've been trying for a very long
time in in um uh you know they in

1220
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:33,200
time in in um uh you know they in
 

1221
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,789
time in in um uh you know they in
February I think it's February of of

1222
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:34,799
February I think it's February of of
 

1223
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:36,950
February I think it's February of of
this year the EPA just said we're we're

1224
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:36,960
this year the EPA just said we're we're
 

1225
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,110
this year the EPA just said we're we're
rejecting it. just the the the all of

1226
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:41,120
rejecting it. just the the the all of
 

1227
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,750
rejecting it. just the the the all of
the decades of of of research in this

1228
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:43,760
the decades of of of research in this
 

1229
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,990
the decades of of of research in this
field that have arrived at this uh at

1230
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:46,000
field that have arrived at this uh at
 

1231
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,549
field that have arrived at this uh at
this conclusion. Nuh-uh. That's

1232
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:48,559
this conclusion. Nuh-uh. That's
 

1233
00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:50,630
this conclusion. Nuh-uh. That's
basically what happened. Okay.

1234
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:50,640
basically what happened. Okay.
 

1235
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,750
basically what happened. Okay.
>> Well, I mean, so to be to be fair to the

1236
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:53,760
>> Well, I mean, so to be to be fair to the
 

1237
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,350
>> Well, I mean, so to be to be fair to the
EPA, uh they didn't argue the science.

1238
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:57,360
EPA, uh they didn't argue the science.
 

1239
00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,750
EPA, uh they didn't argue the science.
In fact, if you go back to last summer,

1240
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:59,760
In fact, if you go back to last summer,
 

1241
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,350
In fact, if you go back to last summer,
summer of 2025, they they did a draft of

1242
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:03,360
summer of 2025, they they did a draft of
 

1243
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,149
summer of 2025, they they did a draft of
their order and there they said, "Oh,

1244
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:06,159
their order and there they said, "Oh,
 

1245
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:07,750
their order and there they said, "Oh,
the science is uncertain and blah blah

1246
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:07,760
the science is uncertain and blah blah
 

1247
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,190
the science is uncertain and blah blah
blah." And actually they got so much

1248
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:09,200
blah." And actually they got so much
 

1249
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,510
blah." And actually they got so much
push back from that that they actually

1250
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:11,520
push back from that that they actually
 

1251
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,870
push back from that that they actually
dropped all of that. So now they're

1252
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:12,880
dropped all of that. So now they're
 

1253
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,590
dropped all of that. So now they're
making a purely legal argument that the

1254
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:15,600
making a purely legal argument that the
 

1255
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,190
making a purely legal argument that the
Clean Air Act is written in a way that

1256
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:17,200
Clean Air Act is written in a way that
 

1257
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,870
Clean Air Act is written in a way that
it doesn't cover CO2. I'm not a lawyer.

1258
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:18,880
it doesn't cover CO2. I'm not a lawyer.
 

1259
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,310
it doesn't cover CO2. I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not going to try to explain what it

1260
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:20,320
I'm not going to try to explain what it
 

1261
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,190
I'm not going to try to explain what it
is because I probably couldn't, but just

1262
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:23,200
is because I probably couldn't, but just
 

1263
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,630
is because I probably couldn't, but just
they're actually not making a scientific

1264
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:24,640
they're actually not making a scientific
 

1265
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,390
they're actually not making a scientific
argument here. They're making a legal.

1266
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:26,400
argument here. They're making a legal.
 

1267
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,630
argument here. They're making a legal.
>> Okay. So the science remains sound.

1268
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:28,640
>> Okay. So the science remains sound.
 

1269
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,310
>> Okay. So the science remains sound.
they, you know, uh, admit, I suppose, in

1270
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:32,320
they, you know, uh, admit, I suppose, in
 

1271
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,430
they, you know, uh, admit, I suppose, in
not pushing back on that, but it's, we

1272
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:35,440
not pushing back on that, but it's, we
 

1273
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,430
not pushing back on that, but it's, we
can't allow for this to be the basis of

1274
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:37,440
can't allow for this to be the basis of
 

1275
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,870
can't allow for this to be the basis of
all of this regulation. That's what

1276
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:38,880
all of this regulation. That's what
 

1277
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,789
all of this regulation. That's what
they're saying,

1278
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:40,799
they're saying,
 

1279
00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:43,510
they're saying,
>> right? That, you know, that they, you

1280
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:43,520
>> right? That, you know, that they, you
 

1281
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,870
>> right? That, you know, that they, you
know, I think what they would argue,

1282
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:44,880
know, I think what they would argue,
 

1283
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,710
know, I think what they would argue,
what a lot of people who want to sound

1284
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:46,720
what a lot of people who want to sound
 

1285
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,390
what a lot of people who want to sound
like they care about the world would say

1286
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:48,400
like they care about the world would say
 

1287
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,909
like they care about the world would say
is, well, you know, Congress should pass

1288
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:49,919
is, well, you know, Congress should pass
 

1289
00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:52,310
is, well, you know, Congress should pass
a law without understanding that

1290
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:52,320
a law without understanding that
 

1291
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,750
a law without understanding that
Congress is sort of hopelessly

1292
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:53,760
Congress is sort of hopelessly
 

1293
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,270
Congress is sort of hopelessly
deadlocked on this. um the only way to

1294
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:57,280
deadlocked on this. um the only way to
 

1295
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,950
deadlocked on this. um the only way to
make progress on the problem is really

1296
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:58,960
make progress on the problem is really
 

1297
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,350
make progress on the problem is really
through executive actions. So things

1298
00:23:01,350 --> 00:23:01,360
through executive actions. So things
 

1299
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:05,590
through executive actions. So things
like Obama had his clean power plan. Um

1300
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:05,600
like Obama had his clean power plan. Um
 

1301
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,110
like Obama had his clean power plan. Um
uh and you know things like that that

1302
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:07,120
uh and you know things like that that
 

1303
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,029
uh and you know things like that that
that is really the only way I think at

1304
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:09,039
that is really the only way I think at
 

1305
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:10,390
that is really the only way I think at
least right now we're going to be able

1306
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:10,400
least right now we're going to be able
 

1307
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,870
least right now we're going to be able
to make progress on this because

1308
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:12,880
to make progress on this because
 

1309
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,710
to make progress on this because
I'm sure everybody out there understands

1310
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:14,720
I'm sure everybody out there understands
 

1311
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,549
I'm sure everybody out there understands
that you know fossil fuel interests are

1312
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:16,559
that you know fossil fuel interests are
 

1313
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,590
that you know fossil fuel interests are
incredibly powerful and they've spent

1314
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:19,600
incredibly powerful and they've spent
 

1315
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,430
incredibly powerful and they've spent
decades

1316
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:21,440
decades
 

1317
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,549
decades
um you know paying off politicians

1318
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:24,559
um you know paying off politicians
 

1319
00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:26,470
um you know paying off politicians
so that the politicians no longer

1320
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:26,480
so that the politicians no longer
 

1321
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,510
so that the politicians no longer
legislate on behalf of us the citizens.

1322
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:29,520
legislate on behalf of us the citizens.
 

1323
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,750
legislate on behalf of us the citizens.
they legislate on behalf of them, the

1324
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:31,760
they legislate on behalf of them, the
 

1325
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,750
they legislate on behalf of them, the
fossil fuel companies. And so it's very

1326
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:33,760
fossil fuel companies. And so it's very
 

1327
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,470
fossil fuel companies. And so it's very
hard to get get policy through when

1328
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:36,480
hard to get get policy through when
 

1329
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,310
hard to get get policy through when
fossil fuel interests can pay

1330
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:38,320
fossil fuel interests can pay
 

1331
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,990
fossil fuel interests can pay
essentially infinite amounts of money to

1332
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:40,000
essentially infinite amounts of money to
 

1333
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,789
essentially infinite amounts of money to
politicians to not get the laws through.

1334
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:42,799
politicians to not get the laws through.
 

1335
00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,430
politicians to not get the laws through.
>> Right. So with the repealing of this

1336
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:45,440
>> Right. So with the repealing of this
 

1337
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,270
>> Right. So with the repealing of this
finding, I mean, obviously this

1338
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:47,280
finding, I mean, obviously this
 

1339
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,070
finding, I mean, obviously this
administration is arguably the most

1340
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:50,080
administration is arguably the most
 

1341
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,990
administration is arguably the most
friendly to these interests that that

1342
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:52,000
friendly to these interests that that
 

1343
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,669
friendly to these interests that that
we've seen in a very long time, if not

1344
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:53,679
we've seen in a very long time, if not
 

1345
00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:56,390
we've seen in a very long time, if not
ever. So is it really as bad as, hey,

1346
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:56,400
ever. So is it really as bad as, hey,
 

1347
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,909
ever. So is it really as bad as, hey,
everyone, pollute as much as you want

1348
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:57,919
everyone, pollute as much as you want
 

1349
00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:00,710
everyone, pollute as much as you want
now? Is it is is that where we're at?

1350
00:24:00,710 --> 00:24:00,720
now? Is it is is that where we're at?
 

1351
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,549
now? Is it is is that where we're at?
>> Um,

1352
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:02,559
>> Um,
 

1353
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:03,990
>> Um,
you know, I I hate to say it, but I

1354
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:04,000
you know, I I hate to say it, but I
 

1355
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,510
you know, I I hate to say it, but I
think that's basically Yes. I don't know

1356
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:05,520
think that's basically Yes. I don't know
 

1357
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,669
think that's basically Yes. I don't know
if you saw he um uh Trump just pardoned

1358
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:09,679
if you saw he um uh Trump just pardoned
 

1359
00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:11,990
if you saw he um uh Trump just pardoned
a bunch of people who had been, you

1360
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:12,000
a bunch of people who had been, you
 

1361
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,470
a bunch of people who had been, you
know, convicted and [clears throat]

1362
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:14,480
know, convicted and [clears throat]
 

1363
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,269
know, convicted and [clears throat]
penalized for air basically air quality

1364
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:17,279
penalized for air basically air quality
 

1365
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:20,950
penalized for air basically air quality
violations. They've also reduced, again,

1366
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:20,960
violations. They've also reduced, again,
 

1367
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,470
violations. They've also reduced, again,
I'm not a lawyer, um but um you know, if

1368
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:24,480
I'm not a lawyer, um but um you know, if
 

1369
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,630
I'm not a lawyer, um but um you know, if
you violate the Clean Air Act, it's no

1370
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:26,640
you violate the Clean Air Act, it's no
 

1371
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,190
you violate the Clean Air Act, it's no
longer a criminal

1372
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:29,200
longer a criminal
 

1373
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,149
longer a criminal
uh a criminal uh violation. It's now a

1374
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:32,159
uh a criminal uh violation. It's now a
 

1375
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:33,909
uh a criminal uh violation. It's now a
civil violation. So, they can sue you,

1376
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:33,919
civil violation. So, they can sue you,
 

1377
00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:35,350
civil violation. So, they can sue you,
but nobody's going to go to jail. I

1378
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:35,360
but nobody's going to go to jail. I
 

1379
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,990
but nobody's going to go to jail. I
mean, they're really they they really

1380
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:38,000
mean, they're really they they really
 

1381
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,390
mean, they're really they they really
don't uh you know, again, I don't know

1382
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:40,400
don't uh you know, again, I don't know
 

1383
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,070
don't uh you know, again, I don't know
what goes on in anybody's heads, but it

1384
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:42,080
what goes on in anybody's heads, but it
 

1385
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,830
what goes on in anybody's heads, but it
seems like they really don't care about

1386
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:43,840
seems like they really don't care about
 

1387
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,870
seems like they really don't care about
pollution.

1388
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:44,880
pollution.
 

1389
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,789
pollution.
>> Yeah. Why should they?

1390
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:46,799
>> Yeah. Why should they?
 

1391
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,029
>> Yeah. Why should they?
>> Well, no, that's right. Because the

1392
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:49,039
>> Well, no, that's right. Because the
 

1393
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:51,909
>> Well, no, that's right. Because the
billionaires who give them money,

1394
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:51,919
billionaires who give them money,
 

1395
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:54,470
billionaires who give them money,
>> uh, they live in clean places and they

1396
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:54,480
>> uh, they live in clean places and they
 

1397
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,470
>> uh, they live in clean places and they
can have, you know, whereas a lot of the

1398
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:56,480
can have, you know, whereas a lot of the
 

1399
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,789
can have, you know, whereas a lot of the
people who live in the most polluted

1400
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:58,799
people who live in the most polluted
 

1401
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:02,630
people who live in the most polluted
areas are minority, they're poor,

1402
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:02,640
areas are minority, they're poor,
 

1403
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,990
areas are minority, they're poor,
they're the people who have no political

1404
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:04,000
they're the people who have no political
 

1405
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,269
they're the people who have no political
power and they're certainly not giving

1406
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:05,279
power and they're certainly not giving
 

1407
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:06,630
power and they're certainly not giving
money to super PACs.

1408
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:06,640
money to super PACs.
 

1409
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,310
money to super PACs.
>> It all it all goes back to the money.

1410
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:08,320
>> It all it all goes back to the money.
 

1411
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,149
>> It all it all goes back to the money.
>> It's it's just it's just another form of

1412
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:10,159
>> It's it's just it's just another form of
 

1413
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:12,470
>> It's it's just it's just another form of
class warfare essentially. I mean what

1414
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:12,480
class warfare essentially. I mean what
 

1415
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,470
class warfare essentially. I mean what
what is the what is your impression of

1416
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:14,480
what is the what is your impression of
 

1417
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,630
what is the what is your impression of
uh what what is the global scientific

1418
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:16,640
uh what what is the global scientific
 

1419
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,950
uh what what is the global scientific
community how do they react to this

1420
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:18,960
community how do they react to this
 

1421
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,630
community how do they react to this
decision? What are they thinking just

1422
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:20,640
decision? What are they thinking just
 

1423
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,789
decision? What are they thinking just
looking at America? Like what how is

1424
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:22,799
looking at America? Like what how is
 

1425
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:24,390
looking at America? Like what how is
this happening? What what are they

1426
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:24,400
this happening? What what are they
 

1427
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,830
this happening? What what are they
saying?

1428
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:25,840
saying?
 

1429
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,430
saying?
>> Yeah. Well, I mean I think at this point

1430
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:27,440
>> Yeah. Well, I mean I think at this point
 

1431
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,149
>> Yeah. Well, I mean I think at this point
nobody is surprised. It's like well of

1432
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:30,159
nobody is surprised. It's like well of
 

1433
00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:32,630
nobody is surprised. It's like well of
course this is what they would do. Um

1434
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:32,640
course this is what they would do. Um
 

1435
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,909
course this is what they would do. Um
you know I think they think it's very

1436
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:33,919
you know I think they think it's very
 

1437
00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:36,310
you know I think they think it's very
sad. I mean the US

1438
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:36,320
sad. I mean the US
 

1439
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,470
sad. I mean the US
has been since World War II, we've been

1440
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:40,480
has been since World War II, we've been
 

1441
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,950
has been since World War II, we've been
a leader in the of the scientific

1442
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:42,960
a leader in the of the scientific
 

1443
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,430
a leader in the of the scientific
community. I mean so many Nobel Prize

1444
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:45,440
community. I mean so many Nobel Prize
 

1445
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,990
community. I mean so many Nobel Prize
winners from the US. We you know a US

1446
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:48,000
winners from the US. We you know a US
 

1447
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,950
winners from the US. We you know a US
PhD is the gold standard. Everybody want

1448
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:50,960
PhD is the gold standard. Everybody want
 

1449
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,070
PhD is the gold standard. Everybody want
everybody in the world wants a US PhD.

1450
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:54,080
everybody in the world wants a US PhD.
 

1451
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,390
everybody in the world wants a US PhD.
>> Um that's you can go anywhere with a US

1452
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:56,400
>> Um that's you can go anywhere with a US
 

1453
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,269
>> Um that's you can go anywhere with a US
PhD. I mean it's our research, our

1454
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:59,279
PhD. I mean it's our research, our
 

1455
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,350
PhD. I mean it's our research, our
economy, all of the discoveries in AI,

1456
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:03,360
economy, all of the discoveries in AI,
 

1457
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,750
economy, all of the discoveries in AI,
medicine. I mean research and science

1458
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:05,760
medicine. I mean research and science
 

1459
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,870
medicine. I mean research and science
have been so good for the US and so good

1460
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:08,880
have been so good for the US and so good
 

1461
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,470
have been so good for the US and so good
for the world and I think people just

1462
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:10,480
for the world and I think people just
 

1463
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,630
for the world and I think people just
see our scientific system is imploding.

1464
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:12,640
see our scientific system is imploding.
 

1465
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,310
see our scientific system is imploding.
I mean that's if there's one thing I

1466
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:14,320
I mean that's if there's one thing I
 

1467
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,630
I mean that's if there's one thing I
think your viewers need to understand

1468
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:16,640
think your viewers need to understand
 

1469
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,510
think your viewers need to understand
nothing else, it's this. The policies

1470
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:19,520
nothing else, it's this. The policies
 

1471
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,950
nothing else, it's this. The policies
that are being implemented now will make

1472
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:22,960
that are being implemented now will make
 

1473
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,789
that are being implemented now will make
the US a nonscientific country, a

1474
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:26,799
the US a nonscientific country, a
 

1475
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:28,470
the US a nonscientific country, a
country that doesn't have scientists in

1476
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:28,480
country that doesn't have scientists in
 

1477
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,190
country that doesn't have scientists in
it, doesn't lead the world in research.

1478
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:31,200
it, doesn't lead the world in research.
 

1479
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,870
it, doesn't lead the world in research.
And you know, it's it's our our economy

1480
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:34,880
And you know, it's it's our our economy
 

1481
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,110
And you know, it's it's our our economy
and and the country is going to suffer

1482
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:37,120
and and the country is going to suffer
 

1483
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:37,909
and and the country is going to suffer
because of that,

1484
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:37,919
because of that,
 

1485
00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:40,070
because of that,
>> right? The ROI on what we've done

1486
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:40,080
>> right? The ROI on what we've done
 

1487
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,590
>> right? The ROI on what we've done
scientifically. Yeah. We're sacrificing

1488
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:41,600
scientifically. Yeah. We're sacrificing
 

1489
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,430
scientifically. Yeah. We're sacrificing
all that. It's economically makes no

1490
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:43,440
all that. It's economically makes no
 

1491
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,070
all that. It's economically makes no
sense.

1492
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:44,080
sense.
 

1493
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,510
sense.
>> It does. I mean, we're we're fighting

1494
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:45,520
>> It does. I mean, we're we're fighting
 

1495
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,750
>> It does. I mean, we're we're fighting
this war for the battle of the 21st

1496
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:47,760
this war for the battle of the 21st
 

1497
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,750
this war for the battle of the 21st
century with countries like China who

1498
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:49,760
century with countries like China who
 

1499
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,190
century with countries like China who
understand the value of science,

1500
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:51,200
understand the value of science,
 

1501
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,070
understand the value of science,
>> right?

1502
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:52,080
>> right?
 

1503
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,310
>> right?
>> And you know, we're just laying down,

1504
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:54,320
>> And you know, we're just laying down,
 

1505
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,830
>> And you know, we're just laying down,
you know, we've we're just laying down

1506
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:55,840
you know, we've we're just laying down
 

1507
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,190
you know, we've we're just laying down
our weapons and turning and walking

1508
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:57,200
our weapons and turning and walking
 

1509
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,470
our weapons and turning and walking
away. We're not even going to we're not

1510
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:58,480
away. We're not even going to we're not
 

1511
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,669
away. We're not even going to we're not
even going to battle them. They're going

1512
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:59,679
even going to battle them. They're going
 

1513
00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:02,230
even going to battle them. They're going
to be the scientific

1514
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:02,240
to be the scientific
 

1515
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,630
to be the scientific
supreme leader of this century. The same

1516
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:04,640
supreme leader of this century. The same
 

1517
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,990
supreme leader of this century. The same
is true with renewable energy. I won't

1518
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:06,000
is true with renewable energy. I won't
 

1519
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,269
is true with renewable energy. I won't
go into that. But, you know, we're also

1520
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:07,279
go into that. But, you know, we're also
 

1521
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,430
go into that. But, you know, we're also
giving away the energy source of the

1522
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:09,440
giving away the energy source of the
 

1523
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,750
giving away the energy source of the
21st century, which is, you know,

1524
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:11,760
21st century, which is, you know,
 

1525
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,310
21st century, which is, you know,
electricity electric the what they call

1526
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:14,320
electricity electric the what they call
 

1527
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,190
electricity electric the what they call
the electricity stack of electric motors

1528
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:17,200
the electricity stack of electric motors
 

1529
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,870
the electricity stack of electric motors
and batteries and uh green energy.

1530
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:20,880
and batteries and uh green energy.
 

1531
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,870
and batteries and uh green energy.
Anyway, that's for another another

1532
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:22,880
Anyway, that's for another another
 

1533
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,870
Anyway, that's for another another
>> discussion. Yeah. I know I all for the

1534
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:24,880
>> discussion. Yeah. I know I all for the
 

1535
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,110
>> discussion. Yeah. I know I all for the
short-term payoff for for the oligarchy,

1536
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:27,120
short-term payoff for for the oligarchy,
 

1537
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,870
short-term payoff for for the oligarchy,
but uh I I did a whole video on Russ

1538
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:28,880
but uh I I did a whole video on Russ
 

1539
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,870
but uh I I did a whole video on Russ
votes uh OM ruling, so they're aware of

1540
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:32,880
votes uh OM ruling, so they're aware of
 

1541
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,350
votes uh OM ruling, so they're aware of
the the extent of the horror that is

1542
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:35,360
the the extent of the horror that is
 

1543
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,269
the the extent of the horror that is
occurring. Uh okay, so let's just talk

1544
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:37,279
occurring. Uh okay, so let's just talk
 

1545
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:39,590
occurring. Uh okay, so let's just talk
about the other thing. So I I talked uh

1546
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:39,600
about the other thing. So I I talked uh
 

1547
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,990
about the other thing. So I I talked uh
a little bit uh in my in my video here

1548
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:42,000
a little bit uh in my in my video here
 

1549
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,549
a little bit uh in my in my video here
about Trump removing the ocean sensors,

1550
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:44,559
about Trump removing the ocean sensors,
 

1551
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:45,990
about Trump removing the ocean sensors,
but I'd love to get into some more

1552
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:46,000
but I'd love to get into some more
 

1553
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,390
but I'd love to get into some more
detail. Can you tell us about the

1554
00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:48,400
detail. Can you tell us about the
 

1555
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,549
detail. Can you tell us about the
processes that are affecting ocean

1556
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:50,559
processes that are affecting ocean
 

1557
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,510
processes that are affecting ocean
currents? How close are we to slowing or

1558
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:53,520
currents? How close are we to slowing or
 

1559
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,510
currents? How close are we to slowing or
even completely halting these currents

1560
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:55,520
even completely halting these currents
 

1561
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,149
even completely halting these currents
and what kinds of devastating impact

1562
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:58,159
and what kinds of devastating impact
 

1563
00:27:58,159 --> 00:28:01,029
and what kinds of devastating impact
will that have globally?

1564
00:28:01,029 --> 00:28:01,039
will that have globally?
 

1565
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,190
will that have globally?
>> Right? That's a really good question. Uh

1566
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:03,200
>> Right? That's a really good question. Uh
 

1567
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,870
>> Right? That's a really good question. Uh
I think people don't think enough about

1568
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:04,880
I think people don't think enough about
 

1569
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,110
I think people don't think enough about
the oceans in in the climate system as

1570
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:07,120
the oceans in in the climate system as
 

1571
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:11,029
the oceans in in the climate system as
they should. So the oceans uh transport

1572
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:11,039
they should. So the oceans uh transport
 

1573
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,510
they should. So the oceans uh transport
an enormous amount of heat around the

1574
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:13,520
an enormous amount of heat around the
 

1575
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,070
an enormous amount of heat around the
planet. So if you look at the tropics,

1576
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:16,080
planet. So if you look at the tropics,
 

1577
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,230
planet. So if you look at the tropics,
so the equator to 30° in both

1578
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:18,240
so the equator to 30° in both
 

1579
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,430
so the equator to 30° in both
hemispheres about um uh a lot more

1580
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:21,440
hemispheres about um uh a lot more
 

1581
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,549
hemispheres about um uh a lot more
sunlight comes in than heat goes out to

1582
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:24,559
sunlight comes in than heat goes out to
 

1583
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,269
sunlight comes in than heat goes out to
space. And so because the tropics aren't

1584
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:27,279
space. And so because the tropics aren't
 

1585
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,190
space. And so because the tropics aren't
heating up, that means that it has to be

1586
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:29,200
heating up, that means that it has to be
 

1587
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,590
heating up, that means that it has to be
exporting energy. And and the oceans are

1588
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:31,600
exporting energy. And and the oceans are
 

1589
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,149
exporting energy. And and the oceans are
one of the big ways that you get heat

1590
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:34,159
one of the big ways that you get heat
 

1591
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:36,870
one of the big ways that you get heat
from the from the tropics to the high

1592
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:36,880
from the from the tropics to the high
 

1593
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,230
from the from the tropics to the high
latitudes uh where it can be the heat

1594
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:40,240
latitudes uh where it can be the heat
 

1595
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,389
latitudes uh where it can be the heat
can escape to space from high latitudes.

1596
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:42,399
can escape to space from high latitudes.
 

1597
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:44,230
can escape to space from high latitudes.
And so people are probably familiar with

1598
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:44,240
And so people are probably familiar with
 

1599
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,269
And so people are probably familiar with
the Gulf Stream. That's this current of

1600
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:47,279
the Gulf Stream. That's this current of
 

1601
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:50,950
the Gulf Stream. That's this current of
really hot water that comes from um you

1602
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:50,960
really hot water that comes from um you
 

1603
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,909
really hot water that comes from um you
know the Caribbean and moves up through

1604
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:53,919
know the Caribbean and moves up through
 

1605
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:58,389
know the Caribbean and moves up through
the Atlantic um and then it warms the

1606
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:58,399
the Atlantic um and then it warms the
 

1607
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:00,310
the Atlantic um and then it warms the
you know warms the the high latitudes.

1608
00:29:00,310 --> 00:29:00,320
you know warms the the high latitudes.
 

1609
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,029
you know warms the the high latitudes.
It's why England has I won't say a nice

1610
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:03,039
It's why England has I won't say a nice
 

1611
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,669
It's why England has I won't say a nice
climate but a not a not a super cold

1612
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:05,679
climate but a not a not a super cold
 

1613
00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:07,430
climate but a not a not a super cold
climate like Moscow, right?

1614
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:07,440
climate like Moscow, right?
 

1615
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,110
climate like Moscow, right?
>> Uh it's because of the heating from the

1616
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:09,120
>> Uh it's because of the heating from the
 

1617
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,710
>> Uh it's because of the heating from the
ocean. And so uh we we know that the uh

1618
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:14,720
ocean. And so uh we we know that the uh
 

1619
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,269
ocean. And so uh we we know that the uh
the what they call the Atlantic meridian

1620
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:17,279
the what they call the Atlantic meridian
 

1621
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,350
the what they call the Atlantic meridian
meridional overturning circulation they

1622
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:19,360
meridional overturning circulation they
 

1623
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,909
meridional overturning circulation they
call the AOCH I'll call the AOCH is sort

1624
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:21,919
call the AOCH I'll call the AOCH is sort
 

1625
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:23,669
call the AOCH I'll call the AOCH is sort
of the big circulation the Gulf Stream

1626
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:23,679
of the big circulation the Gulf Stream
 

1627
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:27,190
of the big circulation the Gulf Stream
is part of it and they know that the AO

1628
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:27,200
is part of it and they know that the AO
 

1629
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,710
is part of it and they know that the AO
um

1630
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:28,720
um
 

1631
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,789
um
this this overturning circulation that

1632
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:30,799
this this overturning circulation that
 

1633
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,269
this this overturning circulation that
brings warm water north has shut down in

1634
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:33,279
brings warm water north has shut down in
 

1635
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,269
brings warm water north has shut down in
the past probably about 12,000 years ago

1636
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:35,279
the past probably about 12,000 years ago
 

1637
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,750
the past probably about 12,000 years ago
during a period called the younger dus

1638
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:37,760
during a period called the younger dus
 

1639
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,149
during a period called the younger dus
it stopped and we kind We understand why

1640
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:40,159
it stopped and we kind We understand why
 

1641
00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:43,029
it stopped and we kind We understand why
that was from fresh water from melting

1642
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:43,039
that was from fresh water from melting
 

1643
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,110
that was from fresh water from melting
glaciers at the end of the ice age

1644
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:45,120
glaciers at the end of the ice age
 

1645
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,909
glaciers at the end of the ice age
dumping into the North Atlantic and

1646
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:47,919
dumping into the North Atlantic and
 

1647
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,389
dumping into the North Atlantic and
changing the buoyancy of the of the

1648
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:50,399
changing the buoyancy of the of the
 

1649
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:52,389
changing the buoyancy of the of the
surface water. So, it wasn't hot. It

1650
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:52,399
surface water. So, it wasn't hot. It
 

1651
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:54,310
surface water. So, it wasn't hot. It
wasn't dense enough to sink,

1652
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:54,320
wasn't dense enough to sink,
 

1653
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,310
wasn't dense enough to sink,
>> right? Because of the the discrepancy in

1654
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:56,320
>> right? Because of the the discrepancy in
 

1655
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,950
>> right? Because of the the discrepancy in
salinity because you have heavy atoms

1656
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:58,960
salinity because you have heavy atoms
 

1657
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,870
salinity because you have heavy atoms
and salt. So, that that makes a

1658
00:30:00,870 --> 00:30:00,880
and salt. So, that that makes a
 

1659
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,350
and salt. So, that that makes a
difference,

1660
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:01,360
difference,
 

1661
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,110
difference,
>> right? That's right. So, fresh water is

1662
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:03,120
>> right? That's right. So, fresh water is
 

1663
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,110
>> right? That's right. So, fresh water is
less dense than seawater. And so if you

1664
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:05,120
less dense than seawater. And so if you
 

1665
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,470
less dense than seawater. And so if you
dump a lot of fresh water on, you

1666
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:06,480
dump a lot of fresh water on, you
 

1667
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,389
dump a lot of fresh water on, you
essentially put a cap on the ocean and

1668
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:08,399
essentially put a cap on the ocean and
 

1669
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:09,909
essentially put a cap on the ocean and
it doesn't the water doesn't sink and

1670
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:09,919
it doesn't the water doesn't sink and
 

1671
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,470
it doesn't the water doesn't sink and
the this meridional overturning

1672
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:12,480
the this meridional overturning
 

1673
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,870
the this meridional overturning
circulation is is density driven. It's a

1674
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:14,880
circulation is is density driven. It's a
 

1675
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,710
circulation is is density driven. It's a
density driven circulation. So um so so

1676
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:18,720
density driven circulation. So um so so
 

1677
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,070
density driven circulation. So um so so
you have this over so we know it's shut

1678
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:20,080
you have this over so we know it's shut
 

1679
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,230
you have this over so we know it's shut
down in the past. So that should concern

1680
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:22,240
down in the past. So that should concern
 

1681
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,070
down in the past. So that should concern
everybody because you know things that

1682
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:24,080
everybody because you know things that
 

1683
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,190
everybody because you know things that
have happened in the past can happen

1684
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:25,200
have happened in the past can happen
 

1685
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,149
have happened in the past can happen
again. And um now the the reason won't

1686
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:28,159
again. And um now the the reason won't
 

1687
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:29,750
again. And um now the the reason won't
be the same. We don't have big ice

1688
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:29,760
be the same. We don't have big ice
 

1689
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,389
be the same. We don't have big ice
sheets on North America melting but uh

1690
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:32,399
sheets on North America melting but uh
 

1691
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,789
sheets on North America melting but uh
you can put you know people have run

1692
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:34,799
you can put you know people have run
 

1693
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:39,350
you can put you know people have run
very detailed ocean models and uh the

1694
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:39,360
very detailed ocean models and uh the
 

1695
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,990
very detailed ocean models and uh the
heating is also the heating of the high

1696
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:42,000
heating is also the heating of the high
 

1697
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,510
heating is also the heating of the high
latitudes which is where a lot of the

1698
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:43,520
latitudes which is where a lot of the
 

1699
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,510
latitudes which is where a lot of the
global warming is occurring will also

1700
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:45,520
global warming is occurring will also
 

1701
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,510
global warming is occurring will also
change the density of the ocean and that

1702
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:47,520
change the density of the ocean and that
 

1703
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,230
change the density of the ocean and that
could also slow down the circulation.

1704
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:50,240
could also slow down the circulation.
 

1705
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,149
could also slow down the circulation.
Now is it going to stop is actively

1706
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:54,159
Now is it going to stop is actively
 

1707
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,230
Now is it going to stop is actively
debated not something I actually worry

1708
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:56,240
debated not something I actually worry
 

1709
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,830
debated not something I actually worry
about that much. Um uh the models don't

1710
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:59,840
about that much. Um uh the models don't
 

1711
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,750
about that much. Um uh the models don't
predict it'll stop. The models show the

1712
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:01,760
predict it'll stop. The models show the
 

1713
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,310
predict it'll stop. The models show the
the circulation slowing down but the

1714
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:04,320
the circulation slowing down but the
 

1715
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,149
the circulation slowing down but the
models tend not to get the models are

1716
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:06,159
models tend not to get the models are
 

1717
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:08,470
models tend not to get the models are
very linear. They tend not to get super

1718
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:08,480
very linear. They tend not to get super
 

1719
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,630
very linear. They tend not to get super
nonlinear behavior. So

1720
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:10,640
nonlinear behavior. So
 

1721
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,950
nonlinear behavior. So
>> but but still we we don't a lot of

1722
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:12,960
>> but but still we we don't a lot of
 

1723
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,389
>> but but still we we don't a lot of
people are working on the problem.

1724
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:14,399
people are working on the problem.
 

1725
00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:16,710
people are working on the problem.
Anyway getting back to your question one

1726
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:16,720
Anyway getting back to your question one
 

1727
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,110
Anyway getting back to your question one
of the key things that scientists need

1728
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:19,120
of the key things that scientists need
 

1729
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,789
of the key things that scientists need
in order to understand any complex

1730
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:20,799
in order to understand any complex
 

1731
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:21,909
in order to understand any complex
system is you need to have lots of

1732
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:21,919
system is you need to have lots of
 

1733
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:23,590
system is you need to have lots of
observations. If you don't have

1734
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:23,600
observations. If you don't have
 

1735
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,430
observations. If you don't have
observations, the climate system is just

1736
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:25,440
observations, the climate system is just
 

1737
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,950
observations, the climate system is just
a black box with some knobs that you're

1738
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:26,960
a black box with some knobs that you're
 

1739
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,389
a black box with some knobs that you're
twiddling and you need to have

1740
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:28,399
twiddling and you need to have
 

1741
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:31,510
twiddling and you need to have
observations to understand it. And so we

1742
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:31,520
observations to understand it. And so we
 

1743
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,750
observations to understand it. And so we
need to instrument the globe. So we have

1744
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:33,760
need to instrument the globe. So we have
 

1745
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,190
need to instrument the globe. So we have
satellites that are measuring things in

1746
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:35,200
satellites that are measuring things in
 

1747
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,549
satellites that are measuring things in
the atmosphere. We've got um you know

1748
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:38,559
the atmosphere. We've got um you know
 

1749
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:41,509
the atmosphere. We've got um you know
stations on land and we have things in

1750
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:41,519
stations on land and we have things in
 

1751
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,110
stations on land and we have things in
the ocean because we need to be able to

1752
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:43,120
the ocean because we need to be able to
 

1753
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,509
the ocean because we need to be able to
measure these very slight currents. We

1754
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:45,519
measure these very slight currents. We
 

1755
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,269
measure these very slight currents. We
want to measure how much CO2 is in the

1756
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:47,279
want to measure how much CO2 is in the
 

1757
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,110
want to measure how much CO2 is in the
water because a lot of the CO2 goes into

1758
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:49,120
water because a lot of the CO2 goes into
 

1759
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,269
water because a lot of the CO2 goes into
the oceans. You know, these are all

1760
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:51,279
the oceans. You know, these are all
 

1761
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,909
the oceans. You know, these are all
things that we need to measure. And what

1762
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:53,919
things that we need to measure. And what
 

1763
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:55,909
things that we need to measure. And what
you also understand is that if you want

1764
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:55,919
you also understand is that if you want
 

1765
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:58,789
you also understand is that if you want
to stop science, if you want science to

1766
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:58,799
to stop science, if you want science to
 

1767
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,230
to stop science, if you want science to
stop, you want to kill the observations.

1768
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:02,240
stop, you want to kill the observations.
 

1769
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,990
stop, you want to kill the observations.
And again, I don't know what goes on in

1770
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:04,000
And again, I don't know what goes on in
 

1771
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,990
And again, I don't know what goes on in
anybody's heads in this administration,

1772
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:06,000
anybody's heads in this administration,
 

1773
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,070
anybody's heads in this administration,
but I can say what they're doing is

1774
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:08,080
but I can say what they're doing is
 

1775
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,389
but I can say what they're doing is
indistinguishable from what someone

1776
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:10,399
indistinguishable from what someone
 

1777
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:12,950
indistinguishable from what someone
would do if they wanted to kill science,

1778
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:12,960
would do if they wanted to kill science,
 

1779
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,230
would do if they wanted to kill science,
kill Earth science.

1780
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:14,240
kill Earth science.
 

1781
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,269
kill Earth science.
>> You know, they're, you know, they're

1782
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:15,279
>> You know, they're, you know, they're
 

1783
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:16,789
>> You know, they're, you know, they're
going after the satellite missions.

1784
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:16,799
going after the satellite missions.
 

1785
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,230
going after the satellite missions.
They're terminating them. They are um

1786
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:20,240
They're terminating them. They are um
 

1787
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,750
They're terminating them. They are um
you know stuff that doesn't make any

1788
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:21,760
you know stuff that doesn't make any
 

1789
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,350
you know stuff that doesn't make any
sense. They're they're cutting the

1790
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:23,360
sense. They're they're cutting the
 

1791
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,029
sense. They're they're cutting the
number of balloon launches the weather

1792
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:25,039
number of balloon launches the weather
 

1793
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,549
number of balloon launches the weather
service is doing. You know the things

1794
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:26,559
service is doing. You know the things
 

1795
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:27,269
service is doing. You know the things
that we

1796
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:27,279
that we
 

1797
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,110
that we
>> it's not even expensive in the grand

1798
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:29,120
>> it's not even expensive in the grand
 

1799
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,669
>> it's not even expensive in the grand
scheme of things. It's it's the perfect

1800
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:31,679
scheme of things. It's it's the perfect
 

1801
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:33,909
scheme of things. It's it's the perfect
symbolic act of of just hiding under a

1802
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:33,919
symbolic act of of just hiding under a
 

1803
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,389
symbolic act of of just hiding under a
pile of coats and saying well we climate

1804
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:36,399
pile of coats and saying well we climate
 

1805
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:37,909
pile of coats and saying well we climate
change won't be a problem if we're not

1806
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:37,919
change won't be a problem if we're not
 

1807
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:39,669
change won't be a problem if we're not
actively gathering the data that tells

1808
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:39,679
actively gathering the data that tells
 

1809
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:41,269
actively gathering the data that tells
us what a problem it is. So there's not

1810
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:41,279
us what a problem it is. So there's not
 

1811
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,590
us what a problem it is. So there's not
won't be anybody to blame. Uh except

1812
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:43,600
won't be anybody to blame. Uh except
 

1813
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,190
won't be anybody to blame. Uh except
it's still happening. Right. I mean it's

1814
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:45,200
it's still happening. Right. I mean it's
 

1815
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:45,590
it's still happening. Right. I mean it's
all

1816
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:45,600
all
 

1817
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,110
all
>> right. And and I think as you pointed

1818
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:47,120
>> right. And and I think as you pointed
 

1819
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,350
>> right. And and I think as you pointed
out, it's it's it's there's a symbolism

1820
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:49,360
out, it's it's it's there's a symbolism
 

1821
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,029
out, it's it's it's there's a symbolism
that, you know, if you're if you're

1822
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:51,039
that, you know, if you're if you're
 

1823
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:52,549
that, you know, if you're if you're
talking to your supporters, you say,

1824
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:52,559
talking to your supporters, you say,
 

1825
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,789
talking to your supporters, you say,
"Look, we hate these guys. We hate these

1826
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:54,799
"Look, we hate these guys. We hate these
 

1827
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,950
"Look, we hate these guys. We hate these
PhDs. We hate these scientists. They're

1828
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:56,960
PhDs. We hate these scientists. They're
 

1829
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,230
PhDs. We hate these scientists. They're
not like us.

1830
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:58,240
not like us.
 

1831
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,789
not like us.
>> Uh let's let's defund all their research

1832
00:33:00,789 --> 00:33:00,799
>> Uh let's let's defund all their research
 

1833
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,350
>> Uh let's let's defund all their research
and let's fire them on mass from federal

1834
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:03,360
and let's fire them on mass from federal
 

1835
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,590
and let's fire them on mass from federal
agencies and do stuff like this." So, it

1836
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:05,600
agencies and do stuff like this." So, it
 

1837
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,669
agencies and do stuff like this." So, it
also is, you know, owning the libs, as

1838
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:07,679
also is, you know, owning the libs, as
 

1839
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:09,669
also is, you know, owning the libs, as
they say. Sure. despite the fact that

1840
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:09,679
they say. Sure. despite the fact that
 

1841
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:12,070
they say. Sure. despite the fact that
what it means is, you know, it's like

1842
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:12,080
what it means is, you know, it's like
 

1843
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,070
what it means is, you know, it's like
taking off the the mirrors on your car

1844
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:14,080
taking off the the mirrors on your car
 

1845
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,830
taking off the the mirrors on your car
or something or blocking out your

1846
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:15,840
or something or blocking out your
 

1847
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:16,870
or something or blocking out your
windows. You're going to get you're

1848
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:16,880
windows. You're going to get you're
 

1849
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,669
windows. You're going to get you're
going to be rolling through an

1850
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:17,679
going to be rolling through an
 

1851
00:33:17,679 --> 00:33:18,549
going to be rolling through an
intersection, you're going to get

1852
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:18,559
intersection, you're going to get
 

1853
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,509
intersection, you're going to get
t-boned by a F-150 that you never saw

1854
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:21,519
t-boned by a F-150 that you never saw
 

1855
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,269
t-boned by a F-150 that you never saw
because we're not going to see these

1856
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:23,279
because we're not going to see these
 

1857
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:24,950
because we're not going to see these
disasters coming. You know, this is one

1858
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:24,960
disasters coming. You know, this is one
 

1859
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,070
disasters coming. You know, this is one
example, the ozone hole. You know, we we

1860
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:28,080
example, the ozone hole. You know, we we
 

1861
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,750
example, the ozone hole. You know, we we
only discovered the ozone hole because

1862
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:29,760
only discovered the ozone hole because
 

1863
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,669
only discovered the ozone hole because
we were monitoring the atmosphere.

1864
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:31,679
we were monitoring the atmosphere.
 

1865
00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:33,590
we were monitoring the atmosphere.
Nobody predicted the ozone hole. And

1866
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:33,600
Nobody predicted the ozone hole. And
 

1867
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,029
Nobody predicted the ozone hole. And
it's so if you shut down all the

1868
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:35,039
it's so if you shut down all the
 

1869
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:36,950
it's so if you shut down all the
monitors, you know, you really wonder

1870
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:36,960
monitors, you know, you really wonder
 

1871
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,070
monitors, you know, you really wonder
what would have happened, you know,

1872
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:38,080
what would have happened, you know,
 

1873
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,549
what would have happened, you know,
would we have phased out fluorocarbons?

1874
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:40,559
would we have phased out fluorocarbons?
 

1875
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,230
would we have phased out fluorocarbons?
>> Yeah. And and and fortunately that

1876
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:42,240
>> Yeah. And and and fortunately that
 

1877
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,149
>> Yeah. And and and fortunately that
occurred in an era where we still were

1878
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:44,159
occurred in an era where we still were
 

1879
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:45,990
occurred in an era where we still were
somewhat proactive about taking care of

1880
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:46,000
somewhat proactive about taking care of
 

1881
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,350
somewhat proactive about taking care of
this stuff. So we did implement

1882
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:47,360
this stuff. So we did implement
 

1883
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,909
this stuff. So we did implement
legislation. We did curb CFC's and the

1884
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:49,919
legislation. We did curb CFC's and the
 

1885
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:51,830
legislation. We did curb CFC's and the
and the ozone is correct me if I'm wrong

1886
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:51,840
and the ozone is correct me if I'm wrong
 

1887
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,990
and the ozone is correct me if I'm wrong
largely regenerated or is that the case

1888
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:54,000
largely regenerated or is that the case
 

1889
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,710
largely regenerated or is that the case
or

1890
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:54,720
or
 

1891
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,389
or
>> not quite yet. It's coming back. I mean

1892
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:56,399
>> not quite yet. It's coming back. I mean
 

1893
00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:58,070
>> not quite yet. It's coming back. I mean
we can see recovery occurring but the

1894
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:58,080
we can see recovery occurring but the
 

1895
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,990
we can see recovery occurring but the
lifetimes of these fluorocarbons are

1896
00:33:59,990 --> 00:34:00,000
lifetimes of these fluorocarbons are
 

1897
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,870
lifetimes of these fluorocarbons are
basically like a century. So we're about

1898
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:02,880
basically like a century. So we're about
 

1899
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,310
basically like a century. So we're about
30 years into into really the the worst

1900
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:06,320
30 years into into really the the worst
 

1901
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,389
30 years into into really the the worst
fluorocarbons. So we have a couple more

1902
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:08,399
fluorocarbons. So we have a couple more
 

1903
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:10,230
fluorocarbons. So we have a couple more
decades before things

1904
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:10,240
decades before things
 

1905
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,310
decades before things
>> so if this administration had been in

1906
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:12,320
>> so if this administration had been in
 

1907
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,230
>> so if this administration had been in
power then we would have just canceled

1908
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:14,240
power then we would have just canceled
 

1909
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,389
power then we would have just canceled
all of that research pumped twice the

1910
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:16,399
all of that research pumped twice the
 

1911
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:18,310
all of that research pumped twice the
amount of CFCs into the atmosphere just

1912
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:18,320
amount of CFCs into the atmosphere just
 

1913
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,270
amount of CFCs into the atmosphere just
for fun and uh said oh well screw you

1914
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:21,280
for fun and uh said oh well screw you
 

1915
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,950
for fun and uh said oh well screw you
guys we do what we want.

1916
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:22,960
guys we do what we want.
 

1917
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,629
guys we do what we want.
>> Yeah. No it's you know I often think

1918
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:24,639
>> Yeah. No it's you know I often think
 

1919
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:25,990
>> Yeah. No it's you know I often think
about that what would have happened if

1920
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:26,000
about that what would have happened if
 

1921
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,829
about that what would have happened if
we discovered the ozone hole today and I

1922
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:27,839
we discovered the ozone hole today and I
 

1923
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:29,510
we discovered the ozone hole today and I
think the answer is we would not have

1924
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:29,520
think the answer is we would not have
 

1925
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,669
think the answer is we would not have
taken action. fake news

1926
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:31,679
taken action. fake news
 

1927
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:32,149
taken action. fake news
>> exactly

1928
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:32,159
>> exactly
 

1929
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,349
>> exactly
>> from the woke Marxists. That's it.

1930
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:35,359
>> from the woke Marxists. That's it.
 

1931
00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:37,109
>> from the woke Marxists. That's it.
>> So, uh just the last part of my question

1932
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:37,119
>> So, uh just the last part of my question
 

1933
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,270
>> So, uh just the last part of my question
was so you're you're saying fortunately

1934
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:39,280
was so you're you're saying fortunately
 

1935
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,349
was so you're you're saying fortunately
it doesn't seem to be the case that the

1936
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:41,359
it doesn't seem to be the case that the
 

1937
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:43,750
it doesn't seem to be the case that the
currents will flat out stop uh even

1938
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:43,760
currents will flat out stop uh even
 

1939
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,349
currents will flat out stop uh even
though they've happened before, but but

1940
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:45,359
though they've happened before, but but
 

1941
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:48,790
though they've happened before, but but
slowing is still has the potential to be

1942
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:48,800
slowing is still has the potential to be
 

1943
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,629
slowing is still has the potential to be
catastrophic, right? So, what what are

1944
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:50,639
catastrophic, right? So, what what are
 

1945
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,389
catastrophic, right? So, what what are
some of the things the effects that we

1946
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:52,399
some of the things the effects that we
 

1947
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:55,909
some of the things the effects that we
can that we can expect to see? So,

1948
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:55,919
can that we can expect to see? So,
 

1949
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:57,910
can that we can expect to see? So,
remember what I said before, the the

1950
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:57,920
remember what I said before, the the
 

1951
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,069
remember what I said before, the the
circulation is what carries heat. And

1952
00:35:00,069 --> 00:35:00,079
circulation is what carries heat. And
 

1953
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,109
circulation is what carries heat. And
so, if the oceans don't carry heat, the

1954
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:03,119
so, if the oceans don't carry heat, the
 

1955
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:04,230
so, if the oceans don't carry heat, the
heat's got to be carried in the

1956
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:04,240
heat's got to be carried in the
 

1957
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:07,109
heat's got to be carried in the
atmosphere or you don't carry it at all,

1958
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:07,119
atmosphere or you don't carry it at all,
 

1959
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,630
atmosphere or you don't carry it at all,
in which case tropics heat up um uh and

1960
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:10,640
in which case tropics heat up um uh and
 

1961
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,750
in which case tropics heat up um uh and
the the polar region cools down. Um and

1962
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:13,760
the the polar region cools down. Um and
 

1963
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,510
the the polar region cools down. Um and
so that could also happen. And that, by

1964
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:15,520
so that could also happen. And that, by
 

1965
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,310
so that could also happen. And that, by
the way, is why when you shut this off,

1966
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:18,320
the way, is why when you shut this off,
 

1967
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,510
the way, is why when you shut this off,
you get the I don't know if you've seen

1968
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:19,520
you get the I don't know if you've seen
 

1969
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,510
you get the I don't know if you've seen
the movie The Day After Tomorrow, but

1970
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:21,520
the movie The Day After Tomorrow, but
 

1971
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,710
the movie The Day After Tomorrow, but
you know, the whole idea of The Day

1972
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:22,720
you know, the whole idea of The Day
 

1973
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,390
you know, the whole idea of The Day
After Tomorrow is based on the idea of

1974
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:24,400
After Tomorrow is based on the idea of
 

1975
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,190
After Tomorrow is based on the idea of
the of the sort of this amox shutting

1976
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:27,200
the of the sort of this amox shutting
 

1977
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,349
the of the sort of this amox shutting
down where you get this massive cooling

1978
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:29,359
down where you get this massive cooling
 

1979
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:32,950
down where you get this massive cooling
in sort of Western Europe hot polar

1980
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:32,960
in sort of Western Europe hot polar
 

1981
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,710
in sort of Western Europe hot polar
regions. So, um you know, things change

1982
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:36,720
regions. So, um you know, things change
 

1983
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,870
regions. So, um you know, things change
and it's important to for everybody to

1984
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:38,880
and it's important to for everybody to
 

1985
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,310
and it's important to for everybody to
realize that that neither warming nor

1986
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:42,320
realize that that neither warming nor
 

1987
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,069
realize that that neither warming nor
cooling is good for us. We are

1988
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:44,079
cooling is good for us. We are
 

1989
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:45,990
cooling is good for us. We are
sensitively adapted to our present

1990
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:46,000
sensitively adapted to our present
 

1991
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,829
sensitively adapted to our present
climate. Temperature goes up five

1992
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:47,839
climate. Temperature goes up five
 

1993
00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:49,349
climate. Temperature goes up five
degrees or goes down five degrees. Those

1994
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:49,359
degrees or goes down five degrees. Those
 

1995
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:50,550
degrees or goes down five degrees. Those
are both bad

1996
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:50,560
are both bad
 

1997
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,589
are both bad
>> options. So it's it's it's uh so yeah,

1998
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:53,599
>> options. So it's it's it's uh so yeah,
 

1999
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,109
>> options. So it's it's it's uh so yeah,
we don't want the climate to change

2000
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:55,119
we don't want the climate to change
 

2001
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,190
we don't want the climate to change
because we have invested trillions of

2002
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:57,200
because we have invested trillions of
 

2003
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,150
because we have invested trillions of
dollars in infrastructure into the

2004
00:36:00,150 --> 00:36:00,160
dollars in infrastructure into the
 

2005
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,990
dollars in infrastructure into the
climate as it is now.

2006
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:02,000
climate as it is now.
 

2007
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,829
climate as it is now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Of course, inevitably they

2008
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:03,839
>> Yeah. Yeah. Of course, inevitably they
 

2009
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:05,589
>> Yeah. Yeah. Of course, inevitably they
will just point to uh declining

2010
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:05,599
will just point to uh declining
 

2011
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,670
will just point to uh declining
temperatures in like the UK and say,

2012
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:07,680
temperatures in like the UK and say,
 

2013
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,150
temperatures in like the UK and say,
"See, there's no global warming." Uh,

2014
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:10,160
"See, there's no global warming." Uh,
 

2015
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,670
"See, there's no global warming." Uh,
and then of course don't look at the

2016
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:11,680
and then of course don't look at the
 

2017
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,829
and then of course don't look at the
tropics where it's rapidly heating and

2018
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:13,839
tropics where it's rapidly heating and
 

2019
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:15,910
tropics where it's rapidly heating and
hurricanes are happening three times as

2020
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:15,920
hurricanes are happening three times as
 

2021
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,230
hurricanes are happening three times as
often and stuff like that. So yeah.

2022
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:20,240
often and stuff like that. So yeah.
 

2023
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,990
often and stuff like that. So yeah.
Well, I think that's that's all I wanted

2024
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:22,000
Well, I think that's that's all I wanted
 

2025
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,589
Well, I think that's that's all I wanted
to ask you about. I I guess just to

2026
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:23,599
to ask you about. I I guess just to
 

2027
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:25,910
to ask you about. I I guess just to
close. Any other comments about the

2028
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:25,920
close. Any other comments about the
 

2029
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,589
close. Any other comments about the
current status of Earth's climate in

2030
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:27,599
current status of Earth's climate in
 

2031
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,589
current status of Earth's climate in
general? Anything listeners can do in

2032
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:29,599
general? Anything listeners can do in
 

2033
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,550
general? Anything listeners can do in
reacting to this news?

2034
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:32,560
reacting to this news?
 

2035
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,870
reacting to this news?
>> Sure. So, you know, I I talk to students

2036
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:34,880
>> Sure. So, you know, I I talk to students
 

2037
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,710
>> Sure. So, you know, I I talk to students
all the time and you know, sometimes the

2038
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:36,720
all the time and you know, sometimes the
 

2039
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:37,589
all the time and you know, sometimes the
students come up to me and they're

2040
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:37,599
students come up to me and they're
 

2041
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,349
students come up to me and they're
depressed and I say, "Don't get

2042
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:39,359
depressed and I say, "Don't get
 

2043
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:42,790
depressed and I say, "Don't get
depressed. Do not get depressed." Uh,

2044
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:42,800
depressed. Do not get depressed." Uh,
 

2045
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,069
depressed. Do not get depressed." Uh,
you know, climate change is not a

2046
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:44,079
you know, climate change is not a
 

2047
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,230
you know, climate change is not a
scientific problem. Uh, we understand

2048
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:46,240
scientific problem. Uh, we understand
 

2049
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:47,670
scientific problem. Uh, we understand
the science pretty well. There's

2050
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:47,680
the science pretty well. There's
 

2051
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,390
the science pretty well. There's
uncertainties, but not first order or

2052
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:50,400
uncertainties, but not first order or
 

2053
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,870
uncertainties, but not first order or
zero or first order uncertainties. Uh,

2054
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:52,880
zero or first order uncertainties. Uh,
 

2055
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,190
zero or first order uncertainties. Uh,
we understand the technology. We can

2056
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:55,200
we understand the technology. We can
 

2057
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,030
we understand the technology. We can
largely stop using fossil fuels today.

2058
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:59,040
largely stop using fossil fuels today.
 

2059
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,109
largely stop using fossil fuels today.
Um I mean we not today it would take a

2060
00:37:01,109 --> 00:37:01,119
Um I mean we not today it would take a
 

2061
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,589
Um I mean we not today it would take a
few decades but we have renewable energy

2062
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:03,599
few decades but we have renewable energy
 

2063
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,950
few decades but we have renewable energy
that's that's clean and is cheap. So we

2064
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:06,960
that's that's clean and is cheap. So we
 

2065
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,349
that's that's clean and is cheap. So we
can we can solve the problem. Uh the

2066
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:09,359
can we can solve the problem. Uh the
 

2067
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:10,790
can we can solve the problem. Uh the
reason we can't solve the problem is

2068
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:10,800
reason we can't solve the problem is
 

2069
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,950
reason we can't solve the problem is
because of the politics. Fossil fuel

2070
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:12,960
because of the politics. Fossil fuel
 

2071
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,310
because of the politics. Fossil fuel
fossil fuel interests are the most

2072
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:14,320
fossil fuel interests are the most
 

2073
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,589
fossil fuel interests are the most
powerful special interest in the history

2074
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:15,599
powerful special interest in the history
 

2075
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:17,829
powerful special interest in the history
of humanity. I say that all the time. It

2076
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:17,839
of humanity. I say that all the time. It
 

2077
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:20,950
of humanity. I say that all the time. It
remains true. And so really climate

2078
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:20,960
remains true. And so really climate
 

2079
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,790
remains true. And so really climate
change is a democracy problem. It is not

2080
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:22,800
change is a democracy problem. It is not
 

2081
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,069
change is a democracy problem. It is not
a scientific problem. It's not a

2082
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:24,079
a scientific problem. It's not a
 

2083
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:26,069
a scientific problem. It's not a
technical problem. It's a problem of

2084
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:26,079
technical problem. It's a problem of
 

2085
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:27,910
technical problem. It's a problem of
reclaiming the ballot box. And that's

2086
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:27,920
reclaiming the ballot box. And that's
 

2087
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,990
reclaiming the ballot box. And that's
why if you read the news, you can see

2088
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:32,000
why if you read the news, you can see
 

2089
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,230
why if you read the news, you can see
there are these concerted efforts by

2090
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:34,240
there are these concerted efforts by
 

2091
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,710
there are these concerted efforts by
some people to try to to to essentially

2092
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:36,720
some people to try to to to essentially
 

2093
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,710
some people to try to to to essentially
shred democracy and stop people from

2094
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:38,720
shred democracy and stop people from
 

2095
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,550
shred democracy and stop people from
voting and things like that. So what I

2096
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:40,560
voting and things like that. So what I
 

2097
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,870
voting and things like that. So what I
tell students is vote. Get involved and

2098
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:42,880
tell students is vote. Get involved and
 

2099
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,550
tell students is vote. Get involved and
and not just vote. Voting is great.

2100
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:44,560
and not just vote. Voting is great.
 

2101
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,550
and not just vote. Voting is great.
That's the minimum, but get involved.

2102
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:46,560
That's the minimum, but get involved.
 

2103
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,310
That's the minimum, but get involved.
Talk to people about it.

2104
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:48,320
Talk to people about it.
 

2105
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,990
Talk to people about it.
>> Um you know, find politicians who share

2106
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:52,000
>> Um you know, find politicians who share
 

2107
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,390
>> Um you know, find politicians who share
your concern and work with them. You

2108
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:54,400
your concern and work with them. You
 

2109
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,950
your concern and work with them. You
know, phone bank for them.

2110
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:56,960
know, phone bank for them.
 

2111
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,670
know, phone bank for them.
do you know canvas whatever the kids are

2112
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:59,680
do you know canvas whatever the kids are
 

2113
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,390
do you know canvas whatever the kids are
doing these days. Um uh you know that

2114
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:02,400
doing these days. Um uh you know that
 

2115
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,750
doing these days. Um uh you know that
that's that's the most important thing

2116
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:03,760
that's that's the most important thing
 

2117
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,349
that's that's the most important thing
to do. Make it a political movement

2118
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:05,359
to do. Make it a political movement
 

2119
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:08,630
to do. Make it a political movement
because uh you know people doing

2120
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:08,640
because uh you know people doing
 

2121
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,349
because uh you know people doing
individually virtuous things like eating

2122
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:11,359
individually virtuous things like eating
 

2123
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:13,190
individually virtuous things like eating
less meat or eating local or walking

2124
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:13,200
less meat or eating local or walking
 

2125
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,390
less meat or eating local or walking
instead driving. That's great. You

2126
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:14,400
instead driving. That's great. You
 

2127
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,230
instead driving. That's great. You
should do that. It'll save you money.

2128
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:16,240
should do that. It'll save you money.
 

2129
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,310
should do that. It'll save you money.
It'll make you healthier. Uh and if you

2130
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:18,320
It'll make you healthier. Uh and if you
 

2131
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,069
It'll make you healthier. Uh and if you
can afford to put solar panels in your

2132
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:20,079
can afford to put solar panels in your
 

2133
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:21,670
can afford to put solar panels in your
house. A lot of people can't do that

2134
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:21,680
house. A lot of people can't do that
 

2135
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,950
house. A lot of people can't do that
though. But the one thing everybody

2136
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:22,960
though. But the one thing everybody
 

2137
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,710
though. But the one thing everybody
should be able to do is vote in the U.

2138
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:24,720
should be able to do is vote in the U.
 

2139
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,430
should be able to do is vote in the U.
This is a US- ccentric description, by

2140
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:27,440
This is a US- ccentric description, by
 

2141
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,870
This is a US- ccentric description, by
the way. Other countries have different

2142
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:28,880
the way. Other countries have different
 

2143
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,950
the way. Other countries have different
issues. But if you're in the US,

2144
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:30,960
issues. But if you're in the US,
 

2145
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,950
issues. But if you're in the US,
>> vote and vote for people who share your

2146
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:32,960
>> vote and vote for people who share your
 

2147
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,630
>> vote and vote for people who share your
concern if you care about climate. And

2148
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:34,640
concern if you care about climate. And
 

2149
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,910
concern if you care about climate. And
you should care about climate because

2150
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:35,920
you should care about climate because
 

2151
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,270
you should care about climate because
you're going to live through this

2152
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:37,280
you're going to live through this
 

2153
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,109
you're going to live through this
century. You've got skin in the game.

2154
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:39,119
century. You've got skin in the game.
 

2155
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:40,790
century. You've got skin in the game.
That Mitch McConnell,

2156
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:40,800
That Mitch McConnell,
 

2157
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,150
That Mitch McConnell,
>> who probably isn't going to live through

2158
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:42,160
>> who probably isn't going to live through
 

2159
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,310
>> who probably isn't going to live through
this century. Yeah. He doesn't have skin

2160
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:44,320
this century. Yeah. He doesn't have skin
 

2161
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,109
this century. Yeah. He doesn't have skin
in the game.

2162
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:45,119
in the game.
 

2163
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,109
in the game.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and luckily I do think

2164
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:47,119
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and luckily I do think
 

2165
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:48,790
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and luckily I do think
that this administration is so

2166
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:48,800
that this administration is so
 

2167
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,349
that this administration is so
unbelievably detestable that it's it's

2168
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:51,359
unbelievably detestable that it's it's
 

2169
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:54,150
unbelievably detestable that it's it's
spurred a bit of uh some some grassroots

2170
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:54,160
spurred a bit of uh some some grassroots
 

2171
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,829
spurred a bit of uh some some grassroots
political activity es especially among

2172
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:55,839
political activity es especially among
 

2173
00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:58,069
political activity es especially among
younger people uh for reasons of climate

2174
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:58,079
younger people uh for reasons of climate
 

2175
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,069
younger people uh for reasons of climate
and you know geopolitics and all kinds

2176
00:39:00,069 --> 00:39:00,079
and you know geopolitics and all kinds
 

2177
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,230
and you know geopolitics and all kinds
of other stuff. So we'll see what uh

2178
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:02,240
of other stuff. So we'll see what uh
 

2179
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,630
of other stuff. So we'll see what uh
what they and we all together can can

2180
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:04,640
what they and we all together can can
 

2181
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,750
what they and we all together can can
get done. So yeah, thanks again for uh

2182
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:07,760
get done. So yeah, thanks again for uh
 

2183
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,430
get done. So yeah, thanks again for uh
for explaining that. Appreciate the

2184
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:09,440
for explaining that. Appreciate the
 

2185
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,589
for explaining that. Appreciate the
clarity and uh yeah, thanks as always.

2186
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:11,599
clarity and uh yeah, thanks as always.
 

2187
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,349
clarity and uh yeah, thanks as always.
>> No problem. Thank you.

2188
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:13,359
>> No problem. Thank you.
 

2189
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:15,349
>> No problem. Thank you.
>> Thanks Andrew. Now, let's speak with one

2190
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:15,359
>> Thanks Andrew. Now, let's speak with one
 

2191
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:17,270
>> Thanks Andrew. Now, let's speak with one
more expert to get even more clarity.

2192
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:17,280
more expert to get even more clarity.
 

2193
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,870
more expert to get even more clarity.
Michael Man is presidential

2194
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:18,880
Michael Man is presidential
 

2195
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,550
Michael Man is presidential
distinguished professor of earth and

2196
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:20,560
distinguished professor of earth and
 

2197
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,550
distinguished professor of earth and
environmental science and director of

2198
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:22,560
environmental science and director of
 

2199
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,990
environmental science and director of
the Penn Center for Science,

2200
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:24,000
the Penn Center for Science,
 

2201
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,910
the Penn Center for Science,
Sustainability, and the Media at the

2202
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:25,920
Sustainability, and the Media at the
 

2203
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,990
Sustainability, and the Media at the
University of Pennsylvania. He is also a

2204
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:28,000
University of Pennsylvania. He is also a
 

2205
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,470
University of Pennsylvania. He is also a
co-author of Science Under Siege. So, he

2206
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:30,480
co-author of Science Under Siege. So, he
 

2207
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,230
co-author of Science Under Siege. So, he
is no stranger to the anti-science

2208
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:32,240
is no stranger to the anti-science
 

2209
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,990
is no stranger to the anti-science
forces shaping the current political

2210
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:34,000
forces shaping the current political
 

2211
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,829
forces shaping the current political
landscape. If you've seen the famous

2212
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:35,839
landscape. If you've seen the famous
 

2213
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:37,670
landscape. If you've seen the famous
hockey stick climate graph from the late

2214
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:37,680
hockey stick climate graph from the late
 

2215
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,910
hockey stick climate graph from the late
'9s, that's his. Let's chat with Mike

2216
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:39,920
'9s, that's his. Let's chat with Mike
 

2217
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,150
'9s, that's his. Let's chat with Mike
now. Mike, thanks so much for joining us

2218
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:42,160
now. Mike, thanks so much for joining us
 

2219
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,069
now. Mike, thanks so much for joining us
here. So, uh, I wanted to talk to you a

2220
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:44,079
here. So, uh, I wanted to talk to you a
 

2221
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,230
here. So, uh, I wanted to talk to you a
little bit about Lee Zeldon's EPA, as

2222
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:46,240
little bit about Lee Zeldon's EPA, as
 

2223
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,829
little bit about Lee Zeldon's EPA, as
you know. Uh, the first thing I want to

2224
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:47,839
you know. Uh, the first thing I want to
 

2225
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:49,270
you know. Uh, the first thing I want to
ask you about, I'd like to get your

2226
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:49,280
ask you about, I'd like to get your
 

2227
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,870
ask you about, I'd like to get your
perspective on the recent repealing of

2228
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:50,880
perspective on the recent repealing of
 

2229
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,349
perspective on the recent repealing of
the 2009 endangerment finding. What does

2230
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:53,359
the 2009 endangerment finding. What does
 

2231
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:55,829
the 2009 endangerment finding. What does
it mean? Did you see it coming? What are

2232
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:55,839
it mean? Did you see it coming? What are
 

2233
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:57,589
it mean? Did you see it coming? What are
going to be the main consequences for

2234
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:57,599
going to be the main consequences for
 

2235
00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:58,630
going to be the main consequences for
everybody?

2236
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:58,640
everybody?
 

2237
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,310
everybody?
>> Yeah, thanks, Danny. It was great to be

2238
00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:00,320
>> Yeah, thanks, Danny. It was great to be
 

2239
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,950
>> Yeah, thanks, Danny. It was great to be
with you. Um and uh there's no question

2240
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:02,960
with you. Um and uh there's no question
 

2241
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,670
with you. Um and uh there's no question
that the uh you know the revocation by

2242
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:05,680
that the uh you know the revocation by
 

2243
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,390
that the uh you know the revocation by
Donald Trump of the uh endangerment

2244
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:08,400
Donald Trump of the uh endangerment
 

2245
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,390
Donald Trump of the uh endangerment
finding uh via Lee Zeldon um was

2246
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:12,400
finding uh via Lee Zeldon um was
 

2247
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,750
finding uh via Lee Zeldon um was
something that was uh planned well in

2248
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:15,760
something that was uh planned well in
 

2249
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,750
something that was uh planned well in
advance. Uh it was spelled out quite

2250
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:17,760
advance. Uh it was spelled out quite
 

2251
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,550
advance. Uh it was spelled out quite
clearly in project 2025

2252
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:20,560
clearly in project 2025
 

2253
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,230
clearly in project 2025
which was this blueprint by uh various

2254
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:24,240
which was this blueprint by uh various
 

2255
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,470
which was this blueprint by uh various
uh organizations, conservative

2256
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:26,480
uh organizations, conservative
 

2257
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,870
uh organizations, conservative
organizations like the Heritage

2258
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:28,880
organizations like the Heritage
 

2259
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,910
organizations like the Heritage
Foundation uh funded by uh the Koch

2260
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:31,920
Foundation uh funded by uh the Koch
 

2261
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,829
Foundation uh funded by uh the Koch
brothers and other bureaucrats, other

2262
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:33,839
brothers and other bureaucrats, other
 

2263
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:36,390
brothers and other bureaucrats, other
fossil fuel bureaucrats. Uh for a long

2264
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:36,400
fossil fuel bureaucrats. Uh for a long
 

2265
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,750
fossil fuel bureaucrats. Uh for a long
time uh they have wanted to uh eradicate

2266
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:39,760
time uh they have wanted to uh eradicate
 

2267
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,230
time uh they have wanted to uh eradicate
the endangerment finding and this was

2268
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:42,240
the endangerment finding and this was
 

2269
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,710
the endangerment finding and this was
their opportunity to do so. if they won

2270
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:44,720
their opportunity to do so. if they won
 

2271
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,270
their opportunity to do so. if they won
back uh the presidency and Congress,

2272
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:47,280
back uh the presidency and Congress,
 

2273
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,470
back uh the presidency and Congress,
they knew that they would have a uh a

2274
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:50,480
they knew that they would have a uh a
 

2275
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,790
they knew that they would have a uh a
clear path to doing so. And so it hardly

2276
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:52,800
clear path to doing so. And so it hardly
 

2277
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,870
clear path to doing so. And so it hardly
came as a surprise to us. Um, those of

2278
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:54,880
came as a surprise to us. Um, those of
 

2279
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,470
came as a surprise to us. Um, those of
us who've been following this issue for

2280
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:56,480
us who've been following this issue for
 

2281
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,349
us who've been following this issue for
some time, uh, the endangerment finding,

2282
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:59,359
some time, uh, the endangerment finding,
 

2283
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:01,589
some time, uh, the endangerment finding,
which originally was actually supported

2284
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:01,599
which originally was actually supported
 

2285
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:03,670
which originally was actually supported
by, I would point out, a Republican EPA

2286
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:03,680
by, I would point out, a Republican EPA
 

2287
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,270
by, I would point out, a Republican EPA
administrator, uh, Christine Todd

2288
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:05,280
administrator, uh, Christine Todd
 

2289
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,510
administrator, uh, Christine Todd
Wittmann, uh, supported the, uh,

2290
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:07,520
Wittmann, uh, supported the, uh,
 

2291
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,309
Wittmann, uh, supported the, uh,
regulation of, uh, carbon emissions from

2292
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:10,319
regulation of, uh, carbon emissions from
 

2293
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:12,309
regulation of, uh, carbon emissions from
coal fired power plants, but was

2294
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:12,319
coal fired power plants, but was
 

2295
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:14,230
coal fired power plants, but was
essentially overruled by others within

2296
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:14,240
essentially overruled by others within
 

2297
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,630
essentially overruled by others within
the administration. It finally became

2298
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:16,640
the administration. It finally became
 

2299
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,829
the administration. It finally became
law when, uh, when Barack Obama was

2300
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:19,839
law when, uh, when Barack Obama was
 

2301
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:21,349
law when, uh, when Barack Obama was
elected president. that they were able

2302
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:21,359
elected president. that they were able
 

2303
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:23,510
elected president. that they were able
to implement the endangerment finding,

2304
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:23,520
to implement the endangerment finding,
 

2305
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,990
to implement the endangerment finding,
but it was actually uh oddly enough uh

2306
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:26,000
but it was actually uh oddly enough uh
 

2307
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,670
but it was actually uh oddly enough uh
almost a a brainchild of uh even

2308
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:29,680
almost a a brainchild of uh even
 

2309
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,829
almost a a brainchild of uh even
Republican EPA administrators who once

2310
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:31,839
Republican EPA administrators who once
 

2311
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:34,150
Republican EPA administrators who once
actually cared about the environment,

2312
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:34,160
actually cared about the environment,
 

2313
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,870
actually cared about the environment,
who once actually believed in in doing

2314
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:36,880
who once actually believed in in doing
 

2315
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,510
who once actually believed in in doing
what they were tasked to do. Um and so

2316
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:39,520
what they were tasked to do. Um and so
 

2317
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,230
what they were tasked to do. Um and so
this is the primary and was the primary

2318
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:42,240
this is the primary and was the primary
 

2319
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,510
this is the primary and was the primary
uh really uh lever arm that the federal

2320
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:45,520
uh really uh lever arm that the federal
 

2321
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,349
uh really uh lever arm that the federal
government has for regulating carbon

2322
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:47,359
government has for regulating carbon
 

2323
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:49,589
government has for regulating carbon
emissions from coal fired power plants

2324
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:49,599
emissions from coal fired power plants
 

2325
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,990
emissions from coal fired power plants
for uh implementing fuel efficiency

2326
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:52,000
for uh implementing fuel efficiency
 

2327
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,710
for uh implementing fuel efficiency
standards on automobiles. And so it was

2328
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:54,720
standards on automobiles. And so it was
 

2329
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,910
standards on automobiles. And so it was
really the primary lever arm for

2330
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:57,920
really the primary lever arm for
 

2331
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,750
really the primary lever arm for
regulating carbon emissions by the

2332
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:59,760
regulating carbon emissions by the
 

2333
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,390
regulating carbon emissions by the
federal government. And indeed it is

2334
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:02,400
federal government. And indeed it is
 

2335
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,430
federal government. And indeed it is
what allowed Barack Obama to make enough

2336
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:05,440
what allowed Barack Obama to make enough
 

2337
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,550
what allowed Barack Obama to make enough
progress um through the clean power plan

2338
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:08,560
progress um through the clean power plan
 

2339
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,030
progress um through the clean power plan
and and other uh policies that they

2340
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:11,040
and and other uh policies that they
 

2341
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,829
and and other uh policies that they
implemented uh uh you know tighter

2342
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:13,839
implemented uh uh you know tighter
 

2343
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:16,069
implemented uh uh you know tighter
restrictions on uh fuel emissions uh

2344
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:16,079
restrictions on uh fuel emissions uh
 

2345
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:17,990
restrictions on uh fuel emissions uh
from automobiles.

2346
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:18,000
from automobiles.
 

2347
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,470
from automobiles.
It was really um through those executive

2348
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:20,480
It was really um through those executive
 

2349
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,270
It was really um through those executive
actions because remember uh Obama was

2350
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:23,280
actions because remember uh Obama was
 

2351
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,430
actions because remember uh Obama was
unable to pass climate legislation

2352
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:25,440
unable to pass climate legislation
 

2353
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,750
unable to pass climate legislation
through the Congress um which was

2354
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:27,760
through the Congress um which was
 

2355
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,069
through the Congress um which was
controlled by uh Republicans or at least

2356
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:30,079
controlled by uh Republicans or at least
 

2357
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,829
controlled by uh Republicans or at least
uh uh was uh filibusterable uh by

2358
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:33,839
uh uh was uh filibusterable uh by
 

2359
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:36,950
uh uh was uh filibusterable uh by
Republicans. And so um instead he

2360
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:36,960
Republicans. And so um instead he
 

2361
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,870
Republicans. And so um instead he
elected to uh act on climate through

2362
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:40,880
elected to uh act on climate through
 

2363
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,270
elected to uh act on climate through
executive uh measures like the clean

2364
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:43,280
executive uh measures like the clean
 

2365
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,510
executive uh measures like the clean
power plan. uh it's what gave him

2366
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:45,520
power plan. uh it's what gave him
 

2367
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,150
power plan. uh it's what gave him
authority when uh he came to the you

2368
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:48,160
authority when uh he came to the you
 

2369
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,790
authority when uh he came to the you
know uh face tof face with the uh

2370
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:50,800
know uh face tof face with the uh
 

2371
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,910
know uh face tof face with the uh
Chinese president um and they achieved a

2372
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:53,920
Chinese president um and they achieved a
 

2373
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,190
Chinese president um and they achieved a
bilateral agreement back in uh 2015 that

2374
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:57,200
bilateral agreement back in uh 2015 that
 

2375
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,150
bilateral agreement back in uh 2015 that
laid the groundwork for the Paris uh

2376
00:43:00,150 --> 00:43:00,160
laid the groundwork for the Paris uh
 

2377
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,950
laid the groundwork for the Paris uh
agreement um and so for a long time uh

2378
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:04,960
agreement um and so for a long time uh
 

2379
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,630
agreement um and so for a long time uh
you know fossil fuel bureaucrats um and

2380
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:08,640
you know fossil fuel bureaucrats um and
 

2381
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,390
you know fossil fuel bureaucrats um and
uh the you know uh fossil fuel companies

2382
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:12,400
uh the you know uh fossil fuel companies
 

2383
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,430
uh the you know uh fossil fuel companies
um have been looking to eradicate the

2384
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:15,440
um have been looking to eradicate the
 

2385
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,870
um have been looking to eradicate the
endangerment finding and they finally

2386
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:16,880
endangerment finding and they finally
 

2387
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,030
endangerment finding and they finally
had the opportunity to do so here.

2388
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:19,040
had the opportunity to do so here.
 

2389
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,829
had the opportunity to do so here.
>> Wow. Yeah, it's it does seem very

2390
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:21,839
>> Wow. Yeah, it's it does seem very
 

2391
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:25,510
>> Wow. Yeah, it's it does seem very
heavily premeditated. Um, in terms of

2392
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:25,520
heavily premeditated. Um, in terms of
 

2393
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,670
heavily premeditated. Um, in terms of
the the consequences, is it really

2394
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:27,680
the the consequences, is it really
 

2395
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,990
the the consequences, is it really
genuinely just kind of now everybody

2396
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:30,000
genuinely just kind of now everybody
 

2397
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,670
genuinely just kind of now everybody
pollute as much as you want? Is it that

2398
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:31,680
pollute as much as you want? Is it that
 

2399
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,109
pollute as much as you want? Is it that
simple?

2400
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:33,119
simple?
 

2401
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,750
simple?
>> Uh, it is. It It's the, you know, the

2402
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:35,760
>> Uh, it is. It It's the, you know, the
 

2403
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,710
>> Uh, it is. It It's the, you know, the
the the fox guarding the hen house, uh,

2404
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:38,720
the the fox guarding the hen house, uh,
 

2405
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,109
the the fox guarding the hen house, uh,
uh, if you will. Um, and Fox is

2406
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:41,119
uh, if you will. Um, and Fox is
 

2407
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:42,870
uh, if you will. Um, and Fox is
appropriate because Fox News, of course,

2408
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:42,880
appropriate because Fox News, of course,
 

2409
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,109
appropriate because Fox News, of course,
has been spreading much of the climate

2410
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:45,119
has been spreading much of the climate
 

2411
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:47,270
has been spreading much of the climate
denial propaganda. The conservative

2412
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:47,280
denial propaganda. The conservative
 

2413
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,750
denial propaganda. The conservative
media have been spreading uh uh

2414
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:49,760
media have been spreading uh uh
 

2415
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,309
media have been spreading uh uh
propaganda, attacking the clean power

2416
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:52,319
propaganda, attacking the clean power
 

2417
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:54,630
propaganda, attacking the clean power
plan, attacking uh the endangerment

2418
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:54,640
plan, attacking uh the endangerment
 

2419
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,870
plan, attacking uh the endangerment
finding for years. Um, and so maybe the

2420
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:56,880
finding for years. Um, and so maybe the
 

2421
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,589
finding for years. Um, and so maybe the
analogy is even more uh appropriate than

2422
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:59,599
analogy is even more uh appropriate than
 

2423
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,150
analogy is even more uh appropriate than
uh it appears at first blush. Uh, but it

2424
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:02,160
uh it appears at first blush. Uh, but it
 

2425
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,910
uh it appears at first blush. Uh, but it
really is the fox guarding the hen

2426
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:03,920
really is the fox guarding the hen
 

2427
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,349
really is the fox guarding the hen
house. Now, the people who are in

2428
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:05,359
house. Now, the people who are in
 

2429
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:07,750
house. Now, the people who are in
control of energy policy, of

2430
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:07,760
control of energy policy, of
 

2431
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,109
control of energy policy, of
environmental policy in this

2432
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:09,119
environmental policy in this
 

2433
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,670
environmental policy in this
administration are literally fossil fuel

2434
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:11,680
administration are literally fossil fuel
 

2435
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,550
administration are literally fossil fuel
lobbyists um who are tied uh often to

2436
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:14,560
lobbyists um who are tied uh often to
 

2437
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,190
lobbyists um who are tied uh often to
conservative uh you know or uh

2438
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:17,200
conservative uh you know or uh
 

2439
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,910
conservative uh you know or uh
foundations like uh the CO uh CO

2440
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:19,920
foundations like uh the CO uh CO
 

2441
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:25,829
foundations like uh the CO uh CO
industries. Um and so yeah, they now uh

2442
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:25,839
industries. Um and so yeah, they now uh
 

2443
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:28,550
industries. Um and so yeah, they now uh
are in control of the policy apparatus

2444
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:28,560
are in control of the policy apparatus
 

2445
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,990
are in control of the policy apparatus
um and have weaponized that uh apparatus

2446
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:32,000
um and have weaponized that uh apparatus
 

2447
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,270
um and have weaponized that uh apparatus
to allow essentially unrestrained

2448
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:35,280
to allow essentially unrestrained
 

2449
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,710
to allow essentially unrestrained
um a actions on the part of polluters uh

2450
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:38,720
um a actions on the part of polluters uh
 

2451
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,390
um a actions on the part of polluters uh
including fossil fuel interests. And it

2452
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:40,400
including fossil fuel interests. And it
 

2453
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,790
including fossil fuel interests. And it
isn't just climate policy that they have

2454
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:42,800
isn't just climate policy that they have
 

2455
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,670
isn't just climate policy that they have
been eradicating. It's really 50 years

2456
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:45,680
been eradicating. It's really 50 years
 

2457
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,910
been eradicating. It's really 50 years
of environmental progress. The clean uh

2458
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:47,920
of environmental progress. The clean uh
 

2459
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,309
of environmental progress. The clean uh
clean air acts, uh the clean water acts.

2460
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:50,319
clean air acts, uh the clean water acts.
 

2461
00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:51,829
clean air acts, uh the clean water acts.
Um

2462
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:51,839
Um
 

2463
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:53,829
Um
these are

2464
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:53,839
these are
 

2465
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:58,150
these are
policy um interventions that uh some of

2466
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:58,160
policy um interventions that uh some of
 

2467
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,069
policy um interventions that uh some of
which were actually implemented again by

2468
00:45:00,069 --> 00:45:00,079
which were actually implemented again by
 

2469
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,790
which were actually implemented again by
past Republican administrations. And so

2470
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:02,800
past Republican administrations. And so
 

2471
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,109
past Republican administrations. And so
it's almost unprecedented to see 50

2472
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:05,119
it's almost unprecedented to see 50
 

2473
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:08,950
it's almost unprecedented to see 50
years of not entirely but somewhat

2474
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:08,960
years of not entirely but somewhat
 

2475
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,670
years of not entirely but somewhat
bipartisan support for common sense

2476
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:11,680
bipartisan support for common sense
 

2477
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,910
bipartisan support for common sense
environmental regulation. to see 50

2478
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:13,920
environmental regulation. to see 50
 

2479
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,829
environmental regulation. to see 50
years of that infrastructure that policy

2480
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:15,839
years of that infrastructure that policy
 

2481
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:17,829
years of that infrastructure that policy
inf go down the drain in a matter of a

2482
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:17,839
inf go down the drain in a matter of a
 

2483
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:19,270
inf go down the drain in a matter of a
year and a half.

2484
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:19,280
year and a half.
 

2485
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,150
year and a half.
>> It is astounding. Um to speak to to

2486
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:22,160
>> It is astounding. Um to speak to to
 

2487
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,190
>> It is astounding. Um to speak to to
pivot a little bit because you're you're

2488
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:23,200
pivot a little bit because you're you're
 

2489
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,309
pivot a little bit because you're you're
right. We're talking not just about

2490
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:24,319
right. We're talking not just about
 

2491
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,550
right. We're talking not just about
polluting the air but um uh I want to

2492
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:26,560
polluting the air but um uh I want to
 

2493
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,990
polluting the air but um uh I want to
get your perspective on the recent

2494
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:28,000
get your perspective on the recent
 

2495
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,190
get your perspective on the recent
deregulation of PAS because Zeldon but

2496
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:31,200
deregulation of PAS because Zeldon but
 

2497
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,349
deregulation of PAS because Zeldon but
also to a greater extent Bobby Kennedy

2498
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:33,359
also to a greater extent Bobby Kennedy
 

2499
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:35,750
also to a greater extent Bobby Kennedy
really you know was a big part of his

2500
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:35,760
really you know was a big part of his
 

2501
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,430
really you know was a big part of his
campaign was saying I want to regulate

2502
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:37,440
campaign was saying I want to regulate
 

2503
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,670
campaign was saying I want to regulate
these toxic whatever and he mentioned

2504
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:39,680
these toxic whatever and he mentioned
 

2505
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,390
these toxic whatever and he mentioned
PAS many many times. Now this move, this

2506
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:42,400
PAS many many times. Now this move, this
 

2507
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,550
PAS many many times. Now this move, this
joint move between Maha and Zeldon uh to

2508
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:44,560
joint move between Maha and Zeldon uh to
 

2509
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,950
joint move between Maha and Zeldon uh to
to deregulate PAS. Yeah. What's your

2510
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:46,960
to deregulate PAS. Yeah. What's your
 

2511
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,550
to deregulate PAS. Yeah. What's your
perspective on that? And especially I'd

2512
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:48,560
perspective on that? And especially I'd
 

2513
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,150
perspective on that? And especially I'd
love to hear your take on their on their

2514
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:50,160
love to hear your take on their on their
 

2515
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,510
love to hear your take on their on their
stated justification for for doing this.

2516
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:53,520
stated justification for for doing this.
 

2517
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,030
stated justification for for doing this.
>> Yeah, I mean you know their their

2518
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:55,040
>> Yeah, I mean you know their their
 

2519
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,309
>> Yeah, I mean you know their their
justification it's always the same. It's

2520
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:58,319
justification it's always the same. It's
 

2521
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:01,270
justification it's always the same. It's
um you know it's it's Pablum. It's a

2522
00:46:01,270 --> 00:46:01,280
um you know it's it's Pablum. It's a
 

2523
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,270
um you know it's it's Pablum. It's a
boilerplate uh sort of propaganda um

2524
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:05,280
boilerplate uh sort of propaganda um
 

2525
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,950
boilerplate uh sort of propaganda um
Orwellian almost, you know, because

2526
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:06,960
Orwellian almost, you know, because
 

2527
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,190
Orwellian almost, you know, because
they'll talk about freedom uh and

2528
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:09,200
they'll talk about freedom uh and
 

2529
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,109
they'll talk about freedom uh and
they'll talk about preserving, you know,

2530
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:11,119
they'll talk about preserving, you know,
 

2531
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,670
they'll talk about preserving, you know,
the the freedom of people to do what

2532
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:13,680
the the freedom of people to do what
 

2533
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,430
the the freedom of people to do what
they want when what they really mean is

2534
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:15,440
they want when what they really mean is
 

2535
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,109
they want when what they really mean is
the the freedom of polluting companies

2536
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:19,119
the the freedom of polluting companies
 

2537
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,390
the the freedom of polluting companies
to infringe upon the rights and freedom

2538
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:22,400
to infringe upon the rights and freedom
 

2539
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,390
to infringe upon the rights and freedom
of the people themselves who are harmed

2540
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:24,400
of the people themselves who are harmed
 

2541
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,190
of the people themselves who are harmed
by these activities. Um if they really

2542
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:27,200
by these activities. Um if they really
 

2543
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,750
by these activities. Um if they really
believed in, you know, um uh small

2544
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:31,760
believed in, you know, um uh small
 

2545
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,190
believed in, you know, um uh small
government, then they wouldn't be

2546
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:33,200
government, then they wouldn't be
 

2547
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,670
government, then they wouldn't be
weaponizing the government to allow big

2548
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:35,680
weaponizing the government to allow big
 

2549
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,270
weaponizing the government to allow big
polluters to basically have have free

2550
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:39,280
polluters to basically have have free
 

2551
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,349
polluters to basically have have free
reign in in a way that that hurts the

2552
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:41,359
reign in in a way that that hurts the
 

2553
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:44,069
reign in in a way that that hurts the
the individual freedoms of people

2554
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:44,079
the individual freedoms of people
 

2555
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,309
the individual freedoms of people
themselves, of the people who are

2556
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:46,319
themselves, of the people who are
 

2557
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:48,710
themselves, of the people who are
subject to the health consequences of

2558
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:48,720
subject to the health consequences of
 

2559
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,190
subject to the health consequences of
these decisions. Now, uh one of the

2560
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:51,200
these decisions. Now, uh one of the
 

2561
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,790
these decisions. Now, uh one of the
ironies, as you note, is that um RFK Jr.

2562
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:54,800
ironies, as you note, is that um RFK Jr.
 

2563
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,950
ironies, as you note, is that um RFK Jr.
was a champion of you know um policies

2564
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:58,960
was a champion of you know um policies
 

2565
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,270
was a champion of you know um policies
to regulate toxic uh chemicals. Um uh he

2566
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:03,280
to regulate toxic uh chemicals. Um uh he
 

2567
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,190
to regulate toxic uh chemicals. Um uh he
was uh very much uh anti- glyphosate um

2568
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:07,200
was uh very much uh anti- glyphosate um
 

2569
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,589
was uh very much uh anti- glyphosate um
the uh the the basic ingredient Roundup

2570
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:09,599
the uh the the basic ingredient Roundup
 

2571
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:10,309
the uh the the basic ingredient Roundup
that is

2572
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:10,319
that is
 

2573
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:11,910
that is
>> regulated that too.

2574
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:11,920
>> regulated that too.
 

2575
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,390
>> regulated that too.
>> Yeah. Um and so all of these things that

2576
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:14,400
>> Yeah. Um and so all of these things that
 

2577
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,670
>> Yeah. Um and so all of these things that
he nominally should be in support of

2578
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:17,680
he nominally should be in support of
 

2579
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,589
he nominally should be in support of
somehow

2580
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:19,599
somehow
 

2581
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:24,550
somehow
uh under, you know, the sort of Trump um

2582
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:24,560
uh under, you know, the sort of Trump um
 

2583
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,670
uh under, you know, the sort of Trump um
during the uh the Trump presidency,

2584
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:27,680
during the uh the Trump presidency,
 

2585
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,710
during the uh the Trump presidency,
uh he's allowing uh you know, the the

2586
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:30,720
uh he's allowing uh you know, the the
 

2587
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,870
uh he's allowing uh you know, the the
opposite. Um he's allowing uh

2588
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:32,880
opposite. Um he's allowing uh
 

2589
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,109
opposite. Um he's allowing uh
regulations to protect people against

2590
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:35,119
regulations to protect people against
 

2591
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:38,069
regulations to protect people against
toxic toxic chemicals to be eliminated.

2592
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:38,079
toxic toxic chemicals to be eliminated.
 

2593
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,390
toxic toxic chemicals to be eliminated.
And he's been relatively silent about

2594
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:40,400
And he's been relatively silent about
 

2595
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,109
And he's been relatively silent about
that. he should be outraged uh by these

2596
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:43,119
that. he should be outraged uh by these
 

2597
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,470
that. he should be outraged uh by these
actions. Instead, he is focusing his

2598
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:46,480
actions. Instead, he is focusing his
 

2599
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,589
actions. Instead, he is focusing his
energy on anti-science

2600
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:49,599
energy on anti-science
 

2601
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:51,670
energy on anti-science
about vaccines

2602
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:51,680
about vaccines
 

2603
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,309
about vaccines
um that play to sort of the ideological

2604
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:54,319
um that play to sort of the ideological
 

2605
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:58,230
um that play to sort of the ideological
views now of the MAGA world. Um and he

2606
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:58,240
views now of the MAGA world. Um and he
 

2607
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,190
views now of the MAGA world. Um and he
strayed far from the path that he was

2608
00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:01,200
strayed far from the path that he was
 

2609
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,030
strayed far from the path that he was
originally on. He he was once an

2610
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:03,040
originally on. He he was once an
 

2611
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,470
originally on. He he was once an
environmental lawyer for the National

2612
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:04,480
environmental lawyer for the National
 

2613
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,910
environmental lawyer for the National
Resources Defense Council. um he was,

2614
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:07,920
Resources Defense Council. um he was,
 

2615
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,550
Resources Defense Council. um he was,
you know, one of the primary proponents

2616
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:10,560
you know, one of the primary proponents
 

2617
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,589
you know, one of the primary proponents
of a lot of these environmental

2618
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:13,599
of a lot of these environmental
 

2619
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:15,910
of a lot of these environmental
regulations that were put in place to

2620
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:15,920
regulations that were put in place to
 

2621
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,190
regulations that were put in place to
protect the health of people. And now in

2622
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:19,200
protect the health of people. And now in
 

2623
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,990
protect the health of people. And now in
the name of Maha, he's actually

2624
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:22,000
the name of Maha, he's actually
 

2625
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,230
the name of Maha, he's actually
supporting an agenda that does the

2626
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:24,240
supporting an agenda that does the
 

2627
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:24,630
supporting an agenda that does the
opposite.

2628
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:24,640
opposite.
 

2629
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,990
opposite.
>> The opposite. Yeah. To me, it's always

2630
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:26,000
>> The opposite. Yeah. To me, it's always
 

2631
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,069
>> The opposite. Yeah. To me, it's always
been a facade, a transparent facade,

2632
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:28,079
been a facade, a transparent facade,
 

2633
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:30,309
been a facade, a transparent facade,
just campaigning on the basis of I'm

2634
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:30,319
just campaigning on the basis of I'm
 

2635
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:31,510
just campaigning on the basis of I'm
going to protect you from the nasty

2636
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:31,520
going to protect you from the nasty
 

2637
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,190
going to protect you from the nasty
chemicals and then once you attain

2638
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:33,200
chemicals and then once you attain
 

2639
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,950
chemicals and then once you attain
power, do literally the opposite. Right.

2640
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:34,960
power, do literally the opposite. Right.
 

2641
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,790
power, do literally the opposite. Right.
Decomp completely. bait and switch. It's

2642
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:36,800
Decomp completely. bait and switch. It's
 

2643
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,390
Decomp completely. bait and switch. It's
really a remarkable bait and switch.

2644
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:38,400
really a remarkable bait and switch.
 

2645
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:38,710
really a remarkable bait and switch.
Yeah.

2646
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:38,720
Yeah.
 

2647
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:40,470
Yeah.
>> And then they and then they justified

2648
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:40,480
>> And then they and then they justified
 

2649
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,589
>> And then they and then they justified
with uh Biden and Harris did a liberal

2650
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:43,599
with uh Biden and Harris did a liberal
 

2651
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,870
with uh Biden and Harris did a liberal
Marxism woke thing, so we have to undo

2652
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:46,880
Marxism woke thing, so we have to undo
 

2653
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,630
Marxism woke thing, so we have to undo
that and then we'll do a better thing

2654
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:48,640
that and then we'll do a better thing
 

2655
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:49,750
that and then we'll do a better thing
later. It's just like,

2656
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:49,760
later. It's just like,
 

2657
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,150
later. It's just like,
>> right, which somehow never materializes,

2658
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:52,160
>> right, which somehow never materializes,
 

2659
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,829
>> right, which somehow never materializes,
does it? [clears throat] It's always

2660
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:53,839
does it? [clears throat] It's always
 

2661
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:55,349
does it? [clears throat] It's always
going to happen later. Yes.

2662
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:55,359
going to happen later. Yes.
 

2663
00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:56,470
going to happen later. Yes.
>> We're going to get rid of the Affordable

2664
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:56,480
>> We're going to get rid of the Affordable
 

2665
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,589
>> We're going to get rid of the Affordable
Care Act and we'll give you something

2666
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:57,599
Care Act and we'll give you something
 

2667
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:59,349
Care Act and we'll give you something
better later. Except no, we absolutely

2668
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:59,359
better later. Except no, we absolutely
 

2669
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:00,150
better later. Except no, we absolutely
will not.

2670
00:49:00,150 --> 00:49:00,160
will not.
 

2671
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,230
will not.
>> Exactly. Well, because it because it's a

2672
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:02,240
>> Exactly. Well, because it because it's a
 

2673
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,950
>> Exactly. Well, because it because it's a
cynical uh understanding of the way the

2674
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:04,960
cynical uh understanding of the way the
 

2675
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,270
cynical uh understanding of the way the
the news cycle works and the shortterm

2676
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:07,280
the news cycle works and the shortterm
 

2677
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,109
the news cycle works and the shortterm
memory of the electorate. Yeah.

2678
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:09,119
memory of the electorate. Yeah.
 

2679
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,670
memory of the electorate. Yeah.
>> Absolutely. Yeah. Um so you're you know

2680
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:11,680
>> Absolutely. Yeah. Um so you're you know
 

2681
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,270
>> Absolutely. Yeah. Um so you're you know
you're you're not new at all obviously

2682
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:13,280
you're you're not new at all obviously
 

2683
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,190
you're you're not new at all obviously
to battling climate change deniers. You

2684
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:15,200
to battling climate change deniers. You
 

2685
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,710
to battling climate change deniers. You
have a book hockey stick and the climate

2686
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:16,720
have a book hockey stick and the climate
 

2687
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,390
have a book hockey stick and the climate
wars. So you've been you've been

2688
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:18,400
wars. So you've been you've been
 

2689
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,030
wars. So you've been you've been
battling this propaganda for quite some

2690
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:21,040
battling this propaganda for quite some
 

2691
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,270
battling this propaganda for quite some
time. I'm curious from your perspective,

2692
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:23,280
time. I'm curious from your perspective,
 

2693
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,790
time. I'm curious from your perspective,
can you say anything about the evolution

2694
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:24,800
can you say anything about the evolution
 

2695
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,710
can you say anything about the evolution
of climate change denial over the

2696
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:26,720
of climate change denial over the
 

2697
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,470
of climate change denial over the
decades? Is it the exact same thing?

2698
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:28,480
decades? Is it the exact same thing?
 

2699
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,230
decades? Is it the exact same thing?
just they have more power or do they

2700
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:30,240
just they have more power or do they
 

2701
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,790
just they have more power or do they
have new narratives and rhetoric like

2702
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:32,800
have new narratives and rhetoric like
 

2703
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,470
have new narratives and rhetoric like
what's been going on?

2704
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:34,480
what's been going on?
 

2705
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,309
what's been going on?
>> Yeah. And and that in fact was in part

2706
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:36,319
>> Yeah. And and that in fact was in part
 

2707
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:38,069
>> Yeah. And and that in fact was in part
the topic of my more recent book with

2708
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:38,079
the topic of my more recent book with
 

2709
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:39,910
the topic of my more recent book with
Peter Hotes who's a vaccine scientist,

2710
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:39,920
Peter Hotes who's a vaccine scientist,
 

2711
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,990
Peter Hotes who's a vaccine scientist,
Science Under Siege. And it's sort of an

2712
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:42,000
Science Under Siege. And it's sort of an
 

2713
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,710
Science Under Siege. And it's sort of an
update um of where we now stand when it

2714
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:44,720
update um of where we now stand when it
 

2715
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,510
update um of where we now stand when it
comes to the assault on science at

2716
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:47,520
comes to the assault on science at
 

2717
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,430
comes to the assault on science at
large. It isn't just climate change.

2718
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:49,440
large. It isn't just climate change.
 

2719
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,430
large. It isn't just climate change.
It's the science of vaccines and public

2720
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:51,440
It's the science of vaccines and public
 

2721
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,829
It's the science of vaccines and public
health. anything, you know, any area

2722
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:53,839
health. anything, you know, any area
 

2723
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:55,910
health. anything, you know, any area
where the findings of science uh

2724
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:55,920
where the findings of science uh
 

2725
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,710
where the findings of science uh
represent a threat to powerful vested

2726
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:58,720
represent a threat to powerful vested
 

2727
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,190
represent a threat to powerful vested
interests um like the fossil fuel

2728
00:50:01,190 --> 00:50:01,200
interests um like the fossil fuel
 

2729
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,150
interests um like the fossil fuel
industry, we've seen u an effort uh on

2730
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:04,160
industry, we've seen u an effort uh on
 

2731
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,750
industry, we've seen u an effort uh on
the right, almost exclusively on the

2732
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:05,760
the right, almost exclusively on the
 

2733
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,150
the right, almost exclusively on the
right to try to discredit that science.

2734
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:08,160
right to try to discredit that science.
 

2735
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,230
right to try to discredit that science.
And as you allude to it, it's sort of,

2736
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:10,240
And as you allude to it, it's sort of,
 

2737
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,069
And as you allude to it, it's sort of,
you know, it's shifted somewhat, say,

2738
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:12,079
you know, it's shifted somewhat, say,
 

2739
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:13,910
you know, it's shifted somewhat, say,
from the time when I wrote the hockey

2740
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:13,920
from the time when I wrote the hockey
 

2741
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,790
from the time when I wrote the hockey
stick in the climate wars back in 2012

2742
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:16,800
stick in the climate wars back in 2012
 

2743
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,470
stick in the climate wars back in 2012
when it was the primary tactic of

2744
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:20,480
when it was the primary tactic of
 

2745
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,109
when it was the primary tactic of
polluters. um and the bad actors who are

2746
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:23,119
polluters. um and the bad actors who are
 

2747
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:24,950
polluters. um and the bad actors who are
trying to keep us addicted to fossil

2748
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:24,960
trying to keep us addicted to fossil
 

2749
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,510
trying to keep us addicted to fossil
fuels and are are are doing everything

2750
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:27,520
fuels and are are are doing everything
 

2751
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,670
fuels and are are are doing everything
they can to slow down the clean energy

2752
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:29,680
they can to slow down the clean energy
 

2753
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,430
they can to slow down the clean energy
transition. Uh one of their primary

2754
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:31,440
transition. Uh one of their primary
 

2755
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,270
transition. Uh one of their primary
tactics was to deny that climate change

2756
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:33,280
tactics was to deny that climate change
 

2757
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,270
tactics was to deny that climate change
is happening. But that just isn't

2758
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:35,280
is happening. But that just isn't
 

2759
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,829
is happening. But that just isn't
credible anymore because people can see

2760
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:37,839
credible anymore because people can see
 

2761
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:40,710
credible anymore because people can see
with their own eyes um uh the the the

2762
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:40,720
with their own eyes um uh the the the
 

2763
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,430
with their own eyes um uh the the the
dire consequences of climate in action

2764
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:43,440
dire consequences of climate in action
 

2765
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,430
dire consequences of climate in action
now unfolding in the form of the record

2766
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:45,440
now unfolding in the form of the record
 

2767
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,670
now unfolding in the form of the record
heat waves we've seen in Europe and and

2768
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:47,680
heat waves we've seen in Europe and and
 

2769
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,270
heat waves we've seen in Europe and and
North America just within the past

2770
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:49,280
North America just within the past
 

2771
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,829
North America just within the past
couple weeks. And so and hurricanes and

2772
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:51,839
couple weeks. And so and hurricanes and
 

2773
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:52,470
couple weeks. And so and hurricanes and
just

2774
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:52,480
just
 

2775
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,190
just
>> absolutely

2776
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:53,200
>> absolutely
 

2777
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,549
>> absolutely
>> it's now happening.

2778
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:54,559
>> it's now happening.
 

2779
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,109
>> it's now happening.
>> It's now the the predictions are, you

2780
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:57,119
>> It's now the the predictions are, you
 

2781
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,430
>> It's now the the predictions are, you
know, unfortunately coming true and and

2782
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:59,440
know, unfortunately coming true and and
 

2783
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,270
know, unfortunately coming true and and
people are witnessing that. They're

2784
00:51:01,270 --> 00:51:01,280
people are witnessing that. They're
 

2785
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,109
people are witnessing that. They're
experiencing that. They're experiencing

2786
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:03,119
experiencing that. They're experiencing
 

2787
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,309
experiencing that. They're experiencing
the the harm from that. Uh people losing

2788
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:06,319
the the harm from that. Uh people losing
 

2789
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:07,990
the the harm from that. Uh people losing
uh their their homes, some people losing

2790
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:08,000
uh their their homes, some people losing
 

2791
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,750
uh their their homes, some people losing
their lives uh from extreme weather

2792
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:09,760
their lives uh from extreme weather
 

2793
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,710
their lives uh from extreme weather
disasters that have been amped up by the

2794
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:12,720
disasters that have been amped up by the
 

2795
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:15,349
disasters that have been amped up by the
warming of the planet. And so the bad

2796
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:15,359
warming of the planet. And so the bad
 

2797
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:17,109
warming of the planet. And so the bad
actors that we're talking about can't

2798
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:17,119
actors that we're talking about can't
 

2799
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,190
actors that we're talking about can't
with a straight face deny that climate

2800
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:19,200
with a straight face deny that climate
 

2801
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,870
with a straight face deny that climate
change is happening anymore. So they've

2802
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:20,880
change is happening anymore. So they've
 

2803
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,990
change is happening anymore. So they've
shifted to sort of a kinder, gentler

2804
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:24,000
shifted to sort of a kinder, gentler
 

2805
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,470
shifted to sort of a kinder, gentler
form of denialism, as I like to say,

2806
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:26,480
form of denialism, as I like to say,
 

2807
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,109
form of denialism, as I like to say,
away from like the outright denial of

2808
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:29,119
away from like the outright denial of
 

2809
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:30,870
away from like the outright denial of
like the physics of climate change

2810
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:30,880
like the physics of climate change
 

2811
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,150
like the physics of climate change
itself or a denial of the the clear

2812
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:34,160
itself or a denial of the the clear
 

2813
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,630
itself or a denial of the the clear
trends that we can see in the data to

2814
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:36,640
trends that we can see in the data to
 

2815
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,109
trends that we can see in the data to
other tactics um that also start with D,

2816
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:39,119
other tactics um that also start with D,
 

2817
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,990
other tactics um that also start with D,
not denial but deflection. Oh, we don't

2818
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:42,000
not denial but deflection. Oh, we don't
 

2819
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,549
not denial but deflection. Oh, we don't
need uh government action. We it's all

2820
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:44,559
need uh government action. We it's all
 

2821
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,030
need uh government action. We it's all
about individuals, you know, decreasing

2822
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:47,040
about individuals, you know, decreasing
 

2823
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,549
about individuals, you know, decreasing
Yeah. their own.

2824
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:48,559
Yeah. their own.
 

2825
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,150
Yeah. their own.
>> Exactly. Yeah.

2826
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:50,160
>> Exactly. Yeah.
 

2827
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,710
>> Exactly. Yeah.
Exactly. Classic deflection campaign.

2828
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:52,720
Exactly. Classic deflection campaign.
 

2829
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,950
Exactly. Classic deflection campaign.
>> Probably Matt Ridley's lukewarmism falls

2830
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:54,960
>> Probably Matt Ridley's lukewarmism falls
 

2831
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,109
>> Probably Matt Ridley's lukewarmism falls
into this camp as well. AB:

2832
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:57,119
into this camp as well. AB:
 

2833
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,670
into this camp as well. AB:
>> Absolutely. Um and and there's uh sort

2834
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:59,680
>> Absolutely. Um and and there's uh sort
 

2835
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,710
>> Absolutely. Um and and there's uh sort
of a delay, you know, and and and a lot

2836
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:02,720
of a delay, you know, and and and a lot
 

2837
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:05,750
of a delay, you know, and and and a lot
of the lukewarmism is well, you know, we

2838
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:05,760
of the lukewarmism is well, you know, we
 

2839
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,230
of the lukewarmism is well, you know, we
have other ways of dealing with the

2840
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:08,240
have other ways of dealing with the
 

2841
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:11,030
have other ways of dealing with the
problem like massive carbon capture and

2842
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:11,040
problem like massive carbon capture and
 

2843
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,710
problem like massive carbon capture and
sequestration. And so, uh we we'll

2844
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:14,720
sequestration. And so, uh we we'll
 

2845
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,950
sequestration. And so, uh we we'll
figure it or geoengineering. We'll shoot

2846
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:16,960
figure it or geoengineering. We'll shoot
 

2847
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,670
figure it or geoengineering. We'll shoot
particles into the stratosphere to block

2848
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:19,680
particles into the stratosphere to block
 

2849
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,430
particles into the stratosphere to block
out the sun. What could possibly go

2850
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:21,440
out the sun. What could possibly go
 

2851
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,390
out the sun. What could possibly go
wrong?

2852
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:22,400
wrong?
 

2853
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,150
wrong?
>> Maybe we will too, but let's also stop

2854
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:24,160
>> Maybe we will too, but let's also stop
 

2855
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,109
>> Maybe we will too, but let's also stop
polluting.

2856
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:25,119
polluting.
 

2857
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,030
polluting.
>> Well, there's a there's a worthy

2858
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:27,040
>> Well, there's a there's a worthy
 

2859
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,630
>> Well, there's a there's a worthy
conversation to be had about whether

2860
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:28,640
conversation to be had about whether
 

2861
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,589
conversation to be had about whether
ultimately we might need to, you know,

2862
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:31,599
ultimately we might need to, you know,
 

2863
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:34,950
ultimately we might need to, you know,
intervene um to prevent catastrophic

2864
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:34,960
intervene um to prevent catastrophic
 

2865
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,270
intervene um to prevent catastrophic
warming. But right now it's being used

2866
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:37,280
warming. But right now it's being used
 

2867
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,390
warming. But right now it's being used
as a tactic to um you know to delay the

2868
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:42,400
as a tactic to um you know to delay the
 

2869
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,630
as a tactic to um you know to delay the
obvious solution to the problem which is

2870
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:44,640
obvious solution to the problem which is
 

2871
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,230
obvious solution to the problem which is
I like to say when you're in a climate

2872
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:46,240
I like to say when you're in a climate
 

2873
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,349
I like to say when you're in a climate
hole stop digging and burning fossil

2874
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:49,359
hole stop digging and burning fossil
 

2875
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:52,230
hole stop digging and burning fossil
fuels. And that's that's the solution.

2876
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:52,240
fuels. And that's that's the solution.
 

2877
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:55,430
fuels. And that's that's the solution.
>> Yeah. So the tactics the gentler version

2878
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:55,440
>> Yeah. So the tactics the gentler version
 

2879
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,630
>> Yeah. So the tactics the gentler version
would be oh they're just trying to

2880
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:56,640
would be oh they're just trying to
 

2881
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,230
would be oh they're just trying to
squeeze a few trillion more dollars out

2882
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:58,240
squeeze a few trillion more dollars out
 

2883
00:52:58,240 --> 00:52:59,829
squeeze a few trillion more dollars out
of it before they give up and let the

2884
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:59,839
of it before they give up and let the
 

2885
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:01,829
of it before they give up and let the
shift happen. But you know the that

2886
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:01,839
shift happen. But you know the that
 

2887
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:04,230
shift happen. But you know the that
movie uh Don't Look Up if that taught us

2888
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:04,240
movie uh Don't Look Up if that taught us
 

2889
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,230
movie uh Don't Look Up if that taught us
anything. Well, you know, it'll go wrong

2890
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:06,240
anything. Well, you know, it'll go wrong
 

2891
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,750
anything. Well, you know, it'll go wrong
at the last second and the asteroid will

2892
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:07,760
at the last second and the asteroid will
 

2893
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,349
at the last second and the asteroid will
kill us all anyway. So,

2894
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:09,359
kill us all anyway. So,
 

2895
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:11,109
kill us all anyway. So,
>> yeah. Well, no, that's right. And in

2896
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:11,119
>> yeah. Well, no, that's right. And in
 

2897
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,430
>> yeah. Well, no, that's right. And in
fact, um, unbeknownst to most people,

2898
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:13,440
fact, um, unbeknownst to most people,
 

2899
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,470
fact, um, unbeknownst to most people,
there was a very clear, um, metaphor in

2900
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:16,480
there was a very clear, um, metaphor in
 

2901
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,109
there was a very clear, um, metaphor in
the film for geoengineering.

2902
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:19,119
the film for geoengineering.
 

2903
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,069
the film for geoengineering.
>> The the geo, you know, the the the Peter

2904
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:22,079
>> The the geo, you know, the the the Peter
 

2905
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,710
>> The the geo, you know, the the the Peter
Isherell, the technocrat, sort of Elon

2906
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:24,720
Isherell, the technocrat, sort of Elon
 

2907
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,561
Isherell, the technocrat, sort of Elon
Musk, Jeff Bezos, uh, sort of type

2908
00:53:27,561 --> 00:53:27,571
Musk, Jeff Bezos, uh, sort of type
 

2909
00:53:27,571 --> 00:53:29,829
Musk, Jeff Bezos, uh, sort of type
[clears throat] character. um and and

2910
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:29,839
[clears throat] character. um and and
 

2911
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:32,710
[clears throat] character. um and and
and those people right now are actually

2912
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:32,720
and those people right now are actually
 

2913
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,069
and those people right now are actually
putting massive funding into

2914
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:34,079
putting massive funding into
 

2915
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,670
putting massive funding into
geoengineering. And so that was um in

2916
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:37,680
geoengineering. And so that was um in
 

2917
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,390
geoengineering. And so that was um in
fact Adam McCay's commentary on the

2918
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:40,400
fact Adam McCay's commentary on the
 

2919
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,109
fact Adam McCay's commentary on the
dangers of of these sorts of promises of

2920
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:43,119
dangers of of these sorts of promises of
 

2921
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,470
dangers of of these sorts of promises of
future technixes as an excuse for

2922
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:46,480
future technixes as an excuse for
 

2923
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,522
future technixes as an excuse for
business as usual today. Exactly. And

2924
00:53:48,522 --> 00:53:48,532
business as usual today. Exactly. And
 

2925
00:53:48,532 --> 00:53:49,109
business as usual today. Exactly. And
[clears throat]

2926
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:49,119
[clears throat]
 

2927
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:50,470
[clears throat]
>> I thought that Yeah, I thought the movie

2928
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:50,480
>> I thought that Yeah, I thought the movie
 

2929
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,470
>> I thought that Yeah, I thought the movie
did a great job in conveying that.

2930
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:52,480
did a great job in conveying that.
 

2931
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,790
did a great job in conveying that.
>> I just I can't believe how how how much

2932
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:54,800
>> I just I can't believe how how how much
 

2933
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,230
>> I just I can't believe how how how much
he nailed it in such a good way.

2934
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:56,240
he nailed it in such a good way.
 

2935
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,309
he nailed it in such a good way.
>> Yeah. underappreciated and and and it it

2936
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:58,319
>> Yeah. underappreciated and and and it it
 

2937
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:00,710
>> Yeah. underappreciated and and and it it
didn't really get the um

2938
00:54:00,710 --> 00:54:00,720
didn't really get the um
 

2939
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,549
didn't really get the um
>> you know the critical reception it

2940
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:02,559
>> you know the critical reception it
 

2941
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,470
>> you know the critical reception it
deserved and and and and part of me

2942
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:04,480
deserved and and and and part of me
 

2943
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,230
deserved and and and and part of me
wonders if if that was because he was

2944
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:06,240
wonders if if that was because he was
 

2945
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:07,910
wonders if if that was because he was
taking the fight to the fossil fuel

2946
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:07,920
taking the fight to the fossil fuel
 

2947
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,309
taking the fight to the fossil fuel
industry

2948
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:08,319
industry
 

2949
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:09,990
industry
>> a little too ser yeah yeah I think it'll

2950
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:10,000
>> a little too ser yeah yeah I think it'll
 

2951
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,910
>> a little too ser yeah yeah I think it'll
be a cult classic 10 20 years from now

2952
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:11,920
be a cult classic 10 20 years from now
 

2953
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,589
be a cult classic 10 20 years from now
people will be like wow that was really

2954
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:13,599
people will be like wow that was really
 

2955
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:14,150
people will be like wow that was really
that's uh

2956
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:14,160
that's uh
 

2957
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,390
that's uh
>> along with idiocracy the other one that

2958
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:16,400
>> along with idiocracy the other one that
 

2959
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,230
>> along with idiocracy the other one that
I [laughter]

2960
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:18,240
I [laughter]
 

2961
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,870
I [laughter]
>> 100% I love m judge uh so I I learned

2962
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:20,880
>> 100% I love m judge uh so I I learned
 

2963
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,630
>> 100% I love m judge uh so I I learned
this about you just from looking around

2964
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:22,640
this about you just from looking around
 

2965
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:23,829
this about you just from looking around
you've you've stirred up some

2966
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:23,839
you've you've stirred up some
 

2967
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:25,670
you've you've stirred up some
controversy you had some conservative

2968
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:25,680
controversy you had some conservative
 

2969
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,670
controversy you had some conservative
commentators that that sued you for

2970
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:27,680
commentators that that sued you for
 

2971
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,670
commentators that that sued you for
academic fraud. C can you give us like

2972
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:29,680
academic fraud. C can you give us like
 

2973
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,069
academic fraud. C can you give us like
the the just the brief uh story there?

2974
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:32,079
the the just the brief uh story there?
 

2975
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:32,710
the the just the brief uh story there?
What happened?

2976
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:32,720
What happened?
 

2977
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,549
What happened?
>> You know, actually it was the opposite.

2978
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:34,559
>> You know, actually it was the opposite.
 

2979
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,750
>> You know, actually it was the opposite.
Um they accused me of uh academic fraud

2980
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:37,760
Um they accused me of uh academic fraud
 

2981
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,510
Um they accused me of uh academic fraud
and we took them to court. Uh got it.

2982
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:39,520
and we took them to court. Uh got it.
 

2983
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,549
and we took them to court. Uh got it.
Two writers for the National Review uh

2984
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:42,559
Two writers for the National Review uh
 

2985
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:44,069
Two writers for the National Review uh
and the Competitive Enterprise

2986
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:44,079
and the Competitive Enterprise
 

2987
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,549
and the Competitive Enterprise
Institute, which is a fossil fuel front

2988
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:46,559
Institute, which is a fossil fuel front
 

2989
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,150
Institute, which is a fossil fuel front
group, um uh uh made accusations,

2990
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:50,160
group, um uh uh made accusations,
 

2991
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,390
group, um uh uh made accusations,
actionable accusations, completely false

2992
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:52,400
actionable accusations, completely false
 

2993
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,790
actionable accusations, completely false
accusations of fraud against me. And so

2994
00:54:54,790 --> 00:54:54,800
accusations of fraud against me. And so
 

2995
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,630
accusations of fraud against me. And so
we we took them to court. It took more

2996
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:56,640
we we took them to court. It took more
 

2997
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,829
we we took them to court. It took more
than 12 years to finally uh go to trial,

2998
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:59,839
than 12 years to finally uh go to trial,
 

2999
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:02,470
than 12 years to finally uh go to trial,
which we did. And we won a unanimous uh

3000
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:02,480
which we did. And we won a unanimous uh
 

3001
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,870
which we did. And we won a unanimous uh
decision awarding us a million dollars

3002
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:04,880
decision awarding us a million dollars
 

3003
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,910
decision awarding us a million dollars
in uh punitive damages. A Republican

3004
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:07,920
in uh punitive damages. A Republican
 

3005
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,829
in uh punitive damages. A Republican
judge, the presiding judge is a

3006
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:09,839
judge, the presiding judge is a
 

3007
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:13,670
judge, the presiding judge is a
Republican judge um on the DC um uh

3008
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:13,680
Republican judge um on the DC um uh
 

3009
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:19,109
Republican judge um on the DC um uh
superior court uh and basically um

3010
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:19,119
superior court uh and basically um
 

3011
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,069
superior court uh and basically um
cut that down, cut that back to uh a

3012
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:22,079
cut that down, cut that back to uh a
 

3013
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,670
cut that down, cut that back to uh a
minimal damages. um that is currently

3014
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:25,680
minimal damages. um that is currently
 

3015
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,910
minimal damages. um that is currently
being appealed and we feel pretty uh

3016
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:27,920
being appealed and we feel pretty uh
 

3017
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,390
being appealed and we feel pretty uh
confident that we will win on appeal.

3018
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:30,400
confident that we will win on appeal.
 

3019
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,470
confident that we will win on appeal.
And so in the end it was um you know uh

3020
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:34,480
And so in the end it was um you know uh
 

3021
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,750
And so in the end it was um you know uh
we we were successful in sort of making

3022
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:37,760
we we were successful in sort of making
 

3023
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,270
we we were successful in sort of making
sure that there were consequences for

3024
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:39,280
sure that there were consequences for
 

3025
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,670
sure that there were consequences for
these sorts of false accusations despite

3026
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:41,680
these sorts of false accusations despite
 

3027
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,109
these sorts of false accusations despite
the fact that you know there's still

3028
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:43,119
the fact that you know there's still
 

3029
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,030
the fact that you know there's still
court challenges. I think a million

3030
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:45,040
court challenges. I think a million
 

3031
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,710
court challenges. I think a million
dollar a unanimous a million dollar

3032
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:46,720
dollar a unanimous a million dollar
 

3033
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,190
dollar a unanimous a million dollar
award of damages says something. It says

3034
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:49,200
award of damages says something. It says
 

3035
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,910
award of damages says something. It says
something to the public that um

3036
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:51,920
something to the public that um
 

3037
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,670
something to the public that um
>> you know, you can't just lie about

3038
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:53,680
>> you know, you can't just lie about
 

3039
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,190
>> you know, you can't just lie about
scientists when you don't like the

3040
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:55,200
scientists when you don't like the
 

3041
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,789
scientists when you don't like the
implications of their findings.

3042
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:56,799
implications of their findings.
 

3043
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:58,309
implications of their findings.
>> You can't just accuse someone of fraud

3044
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:58,319
>> You can't just accuse someone of fraud
 

3045
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:00,230
>> You can't just accuse someone of fraud
for for for

3046
00:56:00,230 --> 00:56:00,240
for for for
 

3047
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,309
for for for
delivering facts that are inconvenient

3048
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:02,319
delivering facts that are inconvenient
 

3049
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:03,190
delivering facts that are inconvenient
to you.

3050
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:03,200
to you.
 

3051
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:03,670
to you.
>> Exactly.

3052
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:03,680
>> Exactly.
 

3053
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,270
>> Exactly.
>> I mean, with with the win, this is

3054
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:05,280
>> I mean, with with the win, this is
 

3055
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,309
>> I mean, with with the win, this is
something that I think about a lot

3056
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:06,319
something that I think about a lot
 

3057
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:08,549
something that I think about a lot
because I I'm not I'm not well verssed

3058
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:08,559
because I I'm not I'm not well verssed
 

3059
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,549
because I I'm not I'm not well verssed
with the legal system. Do you think that

3060
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:10,559
with the legal system. Do you think that
 

3061
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,190
with the legal system. Do you think that
the legal system is equipped to uphold

3062
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:13,200
the legal system is equipped to uphold
 

3063
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,750
the legal system is equipped to uphold
the veracity of scientific facts or is

3064
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:15,760
the veracity of scientific facts or is
 

3065
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,430
the veracity of scientific facts or is
there just so much bureaucracy? It seems

3066
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:17,440
there just so much bureaucracy? It seems
 

3067
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,190
there just so much bureaucracy? It seems
like in your case, even though it took

3068
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:19,200
like in your case, even though it took
 

3069
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,549
like in your case, even though it took
12 years, uh it did in the end, but um

3070
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:22,559
12 years, uh it did in the end, but um
 

3071
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,309
12 years, uh it did in the end, but um
is that something that is reliable or

3072
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:24,319
is that something that is reliable or
 

3073
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:26,309
is that something that is reliable or
did you get lucky?

3074
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:26,319
did you get lucky?
 

3075
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:27,750
did you get lucky?
>> Yeah, you know, probably a little bit of

3076
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:27,760
>> Yeah, you know, probably a little bit of
 

3077
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,309
>> Yeah, you know, probably a little bit of
both. Um where we got lucky is that

3078
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:30,319
both. Um where we got lucky is that
 

3079
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:32,230
both. Um where we got lucky is that
there is a trend towards politicization

3080
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:32,240
there is a trend towards politicization
 

3081
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:33,990
there is a trend towards politicization
of the court that we're all aware of.

3082
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:34,000
of the court that we're all aware of.
 

3083
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,430
of the court that we're all aware of.
You know, all all you have to do is take

3084
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:35,440
You know, all all you have to do is take
 

3085
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,349
You know, all all you have to do is take
one look at the Supreme Court right now

3086
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:37,359
one look at the Supreme Court right now
 

3087
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:39,910
one look at the Supreme Court right now
to understand that, you know, precedent

3088
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:39,920
to understand that, you know, precedent
 

3089
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,750
to understand that, you know, precedent
no longer means anything. you know, at

3090
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:41,760
no longer means anything. you know, at
 

3091
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,910
no longer means anything. you know, at
the highest level of juror prudence in

3092
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:43,920
the highest level of juror prudence in
 

3093
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,789
the highest level of juror prudence in
in the US, uh, among, you know, six

3094
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:46,799
in the US, uh, among, you know, six
 

3095
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:48,950
in the US, uh, among, you know, six
essentially six, uh, now conservative

3096
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:48,960
essentially six, uh, now conservative
 

3097
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,950
essentially six, uh, now conservative
Supreme Court justices. Um, and we're

3098
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:50,960
Supreme Court justices. Um, and we're
 

3099
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,710
Supreme Court justices. Um, and we're
even seeing that, you know, in lower

3100
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:52,720
even seeing that, you know, in lower
 

3101
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:55,270
even seeing that, you know, in lower
courts now as judges are being appointed

3102
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:55,280
courts now as judges are being appointed
 

3103
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,309
courts now as judges are being appointed
by Trump, uh, you know, who's, you know,

3104
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:58,319
by Trump, uh, you know, who's, you know,
 

3105
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:01,109
by Trump, uh, you know, who's, you know,
Trump appointees are replacing, um, you

3106
00:57:01,109 --> 00:57:01,119
Trump appointees are replacing, um, you
 

3107
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:04,309
Trump appointees are replacing, um, you
know, previous uh, more uh, objective

3108
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:04,319
know, previous uh, more uh, objective
 

3109
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:06,470
know, previous uh, more uh, objective
judges. And so to some extent, I would

3110
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:06,480
judges. And so to some extent, I would
 

3111
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,150
judges. And so to some extent, I would
argue we encountered that in our case

3112
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:08,160
argue we encountered that in our case
 

3113
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,470
argue we encountered that in our case
with a Republican judge who did

3114
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:10,480
with a Republican judge who did
 

3115
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,910
with a Republican judge who did
everything he could to beat back a

3116
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:11,920
everything he could to beat back a
 

3117
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,390
everything he could to beat back a
unanimous uh jury decision on our part.

3118
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:14,400
unanimous uh jury decision on our part.
 

3119
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,390
unanimous uh jury decision on our part.
Uh even though it was a jury trial, the

3120
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:16,400
Uh even though it was a jury trial, the
 

3121
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,230
Uh even though it was a jury trial, the
judge still has some discretion. In this

3122
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:18,240
judge still has some discretion. In this
 

3123
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,309
judge still has some discretion. In this
case, the judge used that discretion to

3124
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:20,319
case, the judge used that discretion to
 

3125
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:22,150
case, the judge used that discretion to
try to minimize the damages and and make

3126
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:22,160
try to minimize the damages and and make
 

3127
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,150
try to minimize the damages and and make
trouble for us. And so I would say that

3128
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:24,160
trouble for us. And so I would say that
 

3129
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,470
trouble for us. And so I would say that
that was a consequence of this trend

3130
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:26,480
that was a consequence of this trend
 

3131
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,150
that was a consequence of this trend
that we're seeing towards the

3132
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:28,160
that we're seeing towards the
 

3133
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,230
that we're seeing towards the
politicization of the court. Um, and we

3134
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:30,240
politicization of the court. Um, and we
 

3135
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,950
politicization of the court. Um, and we
can no longer, in my view, trust the

3136
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:32,960
can no longer, in my view, trust the
 

3137
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,190
can no longer, in my view, trust the
courts to objectively litigate these

3138
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:35,200
courts to objectively litigate these
 

3139
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,309
courts to objectively litigate these
sorts of issues.

3140
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:36,319
sorts of issues.
 

3141
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,390
sorts of issues.
>> Right. Yeah, that's that's the sense I

3142
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:38,400
>> Right. Yeah, that's that's the sense I
 

3143
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,349
>> Right. Yeah, that's that's the sense I
get. I just want

3144
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:39,359
get. I just want
 

3145
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:41,030
get. I just want
>> But it comes back to the the voters,

3146
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:41,040
>> But it comes back to the the voters,
 

3147
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,470
>> But it comes back to the the voters,
right? Because that what that means is

3148
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:42,480
right? Because that what that means is
 

3149
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,349
right? Because that what that means is
we got to turn out in numbers that allow

3150
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:45,359
we got to turn out in numbers that allow
 

3151
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:48,549
we got to turn out in numbers that allow
Democrats uh enough uh power to expand

3152
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:48,559
Democrats uh enough uh power to expand
 

3153
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,309
Democrats uh enough uh power to expand
the court. Um because that's what's

3154
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:50,319
the court. Um because that's what's
 

3155
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:51,829
the court. Um because that's what's
going to be necessary. you expand the

3156
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:51,839
going to be necessary. you expand the
 

3157
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:54,230
going to be necessary. you expand the
Supreme Court to redress the imbalance

3158
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:54,240
Supreme Court to redress the imbalance
 

3159
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,789
Supreme Court to redress the imbalance
that right now is putting a rubber stamp

3160
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:56,799
that right now is putting a rubber stamp
 

3161
00:57:56,799 --> 00:58:00,950
that right now is putting a rubber stamp
on the uh you know on on on the uh the

3162
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:00,960
on the uh you know on on on the uh the
 

3163
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,589
on the uh you know on on on the uh the
the the the poller uh sort of um

3164
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:05,599
the the the poller uh sort of um
 

3165
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,750
the the the poller uh sort of um
friendly policies that the Trump

3166
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:07,760
friendly policies that the Trump
 

3167
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,030
friendly policies that the Trump
administration has uh you know has

3168
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:11,040
administration has uh you know has
 

3169
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,349
administration has uh you know has
engaged in. Uh right now the Supreme

3170
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:13,359
engaged in. Uh right now the Supreme
 

3171
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:15,030
engaged in. Uh right now the Supreme
Court for example there's the so-called

3172
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:15,040
Court for example there's the so-called
 

3173
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,430
Court for example there's the so-called
Chevron doctrine by this Supreme Court

3174
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:17,440
Chevron doctrine by this Supreme Court
 

3175
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,589
Chevron doctrine by this Supreme Court
that basically said that uh you know the

3176
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:19,599
that basically said that uh you know the
 

3177
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,589
that basically said that uh you know the
EPA government agencies don't have the

3178
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:21,599
EPA government agencies don't have the
 

3179
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:24,390
EPA government agencies don't have the
right to interpret uh federal statutes.

3180
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:24,400
right to interpret uh federal statutes.
 

3181
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,230
right to interpret uh federal statutes.
Um really pretty pretty remarkable um

3182
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:28,240
Um really pretty pretty remarkable um
 

3183
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,510
Um really pretty pretty remarkable um
and that was basically a gift to the

3184
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:31,520
and that was basically a gift to the
 

3185
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,750
and that was basically a gift to the
fossil fuel industry to make it more

3186
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:33,760
fossil fuel industry to make it more
 

3187
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,670
fossil fuel industry to make it more
difficult for courts to actually

3188
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:35,680
difficult for courts to actually
 

3189
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,910
difficult for courts to actually
implement the laws that do exist. So,

3190
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:37,920
implement the laws that do exist. So,
 

3191
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,430
implement the laws that do exist. So,
it's all under attack and the only way

3192
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:39,440
it's all under attack and the only way
 

3193
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,430
it's all under attack and the only way
it's going to change is if voters turn

3194
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:41,440
it's going to change is if voters turn
 

3195
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,670
it's going to change is if voters turn
out in in in big enough numbers, send a

3196
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:43,680
out in in in big enough numbers, send a
 

3197
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,270
out in in in big enough numbers, send a
big enough message. Um, and I'm hoping

3198
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:45,280
big enough message. Um, and I'm hoping
 

3199
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,789
big enough message. Um, and I'm hoping
that we will see that in the midterm

3200
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:46,799
that we will see that in the midterm
 

3201
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:48,150
that we will see that in the midterm
elections this fall.

3202
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:48,160
elections this fall.
 

3203
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,230
elections this fall.
>> Yeah. If if they if they are allowed to

3204
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:50,240
>> Yeah. If if they if they are allowed to
 

3205
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,069
>> Yeah. If if they if they are allowed to
>> if they're fair. [laughter] Yeah. If

3206
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:52,079
>> if they're fair. [laughter] Yeah. If
 

3207
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:53,109
>> if they're fair. [laughter] Yeah. If
they're allowed to occur.

3208
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:53,119
they're allowed to occur.
 

3209
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,109
they're allowed to occur.
>> Yeah. Um, I mean, speaking towards this

3210
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:55,119
>> Yeah. Um, I mean, speaking towards this
 

3211
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:57,829
>> Yeah. Um, I mean, speaking towards this
administration, you know, I I I'm I'm

3212
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:57,839
administration, you know, I I I'm I'm
 

3213
00:58:57,839 --> 00:58:59,750
administration, you know, I I I'm I'm
not too old, not too young. I've seen a

3214
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:59,760
not too old, not too young. I've seen a
 

3215
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,109
not too old, not too young. I've seen a
few administrations, but I haven't seen

3216
00:59:01,109 --> 00:59:01,119
few administrations, but I haven't seen
 

3217
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:02,710
few administrations, but I haven't seen
them all. Do you think that this

3218
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:02,720
them all. Do you think that this
 

3219
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,870
them all. Do you think that this
particular administration is the most

3220
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:04,880
particular administration is the most
 

3221
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,789
particular administration is the most
outwardly hostile towards science and

3222
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:06,799
outwardly hostile towards science and
 

3223
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:10,549
outwardly hostile towards science and
the most uh subservient to oligarchy in

3224
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:10,559
the most uh subservient to oligarchy in
 

3225
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:11,990
the most uh subservient to oligarchy in
modern times or American history in

3226
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:12,000
modern times or American history in
 

3227
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,589
modern times or American history in
general? Or is it a little bit more

3228
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:13,599
general? Or is it a little bit more
 

3229
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,470
general? Or is it a little bit more
typical? Am I exaggerating when I when I

3230
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:16,480
typical? Am I exaggerating when I when I
 

3231
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,230
typical? Am I exaggerating when I when I
talk that way or what do you think?

3232
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:18,240
talk that way or what do you think?
 

3233
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,150
talk that way or what do you think?
>> Yeah. If anything, I don't think you are

3234
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:20,160
>> Yeah. If anything, I don't think you are
 

3235
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,230
>> Yeah. If anything, I don't think you are
harsh enough. Um it not only uh are we

3236
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:24,240
harsh enough. Um it not only uh are we
 

3237
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,549
harsh enough. Um it not only uh are we
seeing an unprecedented assault on

3238
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:26,559
seeing an unprecedented assault on
 

3239
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,230
seeing an unprecedented assault on
science and reason under this

3240
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:28,240
science and reason under this
 

3241
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,750
science and reason under this
administration that's what Peter and I

3242
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:29,760
administration that's what Peter and I
 

3243
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,589
administration that's what Peter and I
talk about in the book and science under

3244
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:31,599
talk about in the book and science under
 

3245
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,670
talk about in the book and science under
siege. It is unprecedented. You've got

3246
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:33,680
siege. It is unprecedented. You've got
 

3247
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,789
siege. It is unprecedented. You've got
to go back to Lysenkoism, the era of

3248
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:36,799
to go back to Lysenkoism, the era of
 

3249
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:39,829
to go back to Lysenkoism, the era of
Lysenko in uh Soviet uh you know under

3250
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:39,839
Lysenko in uh Soviet uh you know under
 

3251
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:42,870
Lysenko in uh Soviet uh you know under
Stalinist uh Russia to find anything

3252
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:42,880
Stalinist uh Russia to find anything
 

3253
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,109
Stalinist uh Russia to find anything
comparable and and in that case

3254
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:45,119
comparable and and in that case
 

3255
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,829
comparable and and in that case
scientists who whose findings disagreed

3256
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:47,839
scientists who whose findings disagreed
 

3257
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:50,230
scientists who whose findings disagreed
with the the you know government dogma

3258
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:50,240
with the the you know government dogma
 

3259
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,549
with the the you know government dogma
were literally imprisoned and and died

3260
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:52,559
were literally imprisoned and and died
 

3261
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:55,589
were literally imprisoned and and died
in prison and or killed and um and there

3262
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:55,599
in prison and or killed and um and there
 

3263
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:58,470
in prison and or killed and um and there
were massive droughts that uh sorry

3264
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:58,480
were massive droughts that uh sorry
 

3265
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,430
were massive droughts that uh sorry
massive

3266
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:59,440
massive
 

3267
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,150
massive
>> famine

3268
01:00:00,150 --> 01:00:00,160
>> famine
 

3269
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,950
>> famine
>> blightes famines that uh that happened.

3270
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:02,960
>> blightes famines that uh that happened.
 

3271
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,390
>> blightes famines that uh that happened.
You're familiar with this that happened

3272
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:04,400
You're familiar with this that happened
 

3273
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,750
You're familiar with this that happened
because of the implementation of those

3274
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:05,760
because of the implementation of those
 

3275
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,349
because of the implementation of those
policies

3276
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:07,359
policies
 

3277
01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:08,710
policies
Kennedy all the time.

3278
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:08,720
Kennedy all the time.
 

3279
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,630
Kennedy all the time.
>> Yeah. Yeah. This the closest thing that

3280
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:10,640
>> Yeah. Yeah. This the closest thing that
 

3281
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,470
>> Yeah. Yeah. This the closest thing that
we have seen in American history in my

3282
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:12,480
we have seen in American history in my
 

3283
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,390
we have seen in American history in my
view to something like that.

3284
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:14,400
view to something like that.
 

3285
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,430
view to something like that.
>> Yeah. 100%.

3286
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:15,440
>> Yeah. 100%.
 

3287
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,510
>> Yeah. 100%.
>> And it isn't just Trump. It's it's it's

3288
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:17,520
>> And it isn't just Trump. It's it's it's
 

3289
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,829
>> And it isn't just Trump. It's it's it's
a Republican Congress and Republican

3290
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:19,839
a Republican Congress and Republican
 

3291
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:21,270
a Republican Congress and Republican
Supreme Court that have put a rubber

3292
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:21,280
Supreme Court that have put a rubber
 

3293
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,549
Supreme Court that have put a rubber
stamp on those policies.

3294
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:22,559
stamp on those policies.
 

3295
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,150
stamp on those policies.
>> Yeah. That's that was my thinking. I

3296
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:24,160
>> Yeah. That's that was my thinking. I
 

3297
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,309
>> Yeah. That's that was my thinking. I
just wanted some corroboration there.

3298
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:26,319
just wanted some corroboration there.
 

3299
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:29,190
just wanted some corroboration there.
>> Well, we we we're in concurrence on on

3300
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:29,200
>> Well, we we we're in concurrence on on
 

3301
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,349
>> Well, we we we're in concurrence on on
that. Yeah. Uh, so just wrapping up

3302
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:31,359
that. Yeah. Uh, so just wrapping up
 

3303
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:33,109
that. Yeah. Uh, so just wrapping up
here, I mean bringing it back to climate

3304
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:33,119
here, I mean bringing it back to climate
 

3305
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:35,510
here, I mean bringing it back to climate
change, I was curious, do do you see the

3306
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:35,520
change, I was curious, do do you see the
 

3307
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,270
change, I was curious, do do you see the
sentiment of the public changing the

3308
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:37,280
sentiment of the public changing the
 

3309
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,030
sentiment of the public changing the
cultural landscape? Do you think people

3310
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:39,040
cultural landscape? Do you think people
 

3311
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,349
cultural landscape? Do you think people
are more concerned about climate change?

3312
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:41,359
are more concerned about climate change?
 

3313
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:43,349
are more concerned about climate change?
Um, and if so, do you think that there's

3314
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:43,359
Um, and if so, do you think that there's
 

3315
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:45,430
Um, and if so, do you think that there's
been any activity whether among the

3316
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:45,440
been any activity whether among the
 

3317
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,870
been any activity whether among the
media or science communicators or

3318
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:46,880
media or science communicators or
 

3319
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,710
media or science communicators or
anything that has been more or less

3320
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:48,720
anything that has been more or less
 

3321
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,630
anything that has been more or less
effective in persuading the public to be

3322
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:50,640
effective in persuading the public to be
 

3323
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,349
effective in persuading the public to be
more politically active about this?

3324
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:53,359
more politically active about this?
 

3325
01:00:53,359 --> 01:00:54,950
more politically active about this?
>> Yeah, it's a great question. And I think

3326
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:54,960
>> Yeah, it's a great question. And I think
 

3327
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,710
>> Yeah, it's a great question. And I think
we are seeing the pendulum swing back

3328
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:56,720
we are seeing the pendulum swing back
 

3329
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,710
we are seeing the pendulum swing back
right now um politically right now

3330
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:58,720
right now um politically right now
 

3331
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,549
right now um politically right now
against Trump, against the GOP. I think

3332
01:01:00,549 --> 01:01:00,559
against Trump, against the GOP. I think
 

3333
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:02,549
against Trump, against the GOP. I think
that will have implications for climate.

3334
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:02,559
that will have implications for climate.
 

3335
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,549
that will have implications for climate.
I think it will create an environment

3336
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:04,559
I think it will create an environment
 

3337
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:06,309
I think it will create an environment
where we will be able to try to pick up

3338
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:06,319
where we will be able to try to pick up
 

3339
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:08,630
where we will be able to try to pick up
the pieces. Now so much damage has been

3340
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:08,640
the pieces. Now so much damage has been
 

3341
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,630
the pieces. Now so much damage has been
done. It's so much more difficult to

3342
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:10,640
done. It's so much more difficult to
 

3343
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,950
done. It's so much more difficult to
build infrastructure than to deconstruct

3344
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:12,960
build infrastructure than to deconstruct
 

3345
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,710
build infrastructure than to deconstruct
it, which is what this the latter is

3346
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:14,720
it, which is what this the latter is
 

3347
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,990
it, which is what this the latter is
what this administration has done. So

3348
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:16,000
what this administration has done. So
 

3349
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,069
what this administration has done. So
it'll take some time for us to build up

3350
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:18,079
it'll take some time for us to build up
 

3351
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:20,870
it'll take some time for us to build up
the sort of policy infrastructure to to

3352
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:20,880
the sort of policy infrastructure to to
 

3353
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,390
the sort of policy infrastructure to to
actually make forward progress on

3354
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:22,400
actually make forward progress on
 

3355
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,670
actually make forward progress on
climate. But I think there will be an

3356
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:23,680
climate. But I think there will be an
 

3357
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,230
climate. But I think there will be an
opportunity for us to do that. And it's

3358
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:26,240
opportunity for us to do that. And it's
 

3359
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,230
opportunity for us to do that. And it's
also important for us to realize that

3360
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:28,240
also important for us to realize that
 

3361
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,349
also important for us to realize that
the US no longer dictates the terms to

3362
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:31,359
the US no longer dictates the terms to
 

3363
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:33,430
the US no longer dictates the terms to
the rest of the world. Right? Maybe that

3364
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:33,440
the rest of the world. Right? Maybe that
 

3365
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,309
the rest of the world. Right? Maybe that
was once true. Um maybe we saw in the

3366
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:36,319
was once true. Um maybe we saw in the
 

3367
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:37,750
was once true. Um maybe we saw in the
World Cup yesterday that that's no

3368
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:37,760
World Cup yesterday that that's no
 

3369
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,150
World Cup yesterday that that's no
longer true. Um seemed like it was a

3370
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:40,160
longer true. Um seemed like it was a
 

3371
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,710
longer true. Um seemed like it was a
metaphor for the fact that uh that the

3372
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:42,720
metaphor for the fact that uh that the
 

3373
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,710
metaphor for the fact that uh that the
US no longer is in control of what

3374
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:44,720
US no longer is in control of what
 

3375
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,190
US no longer is in control of what
happens on on this planet. And you see

3376
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:47,200
happens on on this planet. And you see
 

3377
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,990
happens on on this planet. And you see
other countries like China seeing an

3378
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:50,000
other countries like China seeing an
 

3379
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,549
other countries like China seeing an
opportunity here. China recognizing that

3380
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:52,559
opportunity here. China recognizing that
 

3381
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:57,190
opportunity here. China recognizing that
this opens up the sort of the economic

3382
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:57,200
this opens up the sort of the economic
 

3383
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,390
this opens up the sort of the economic
race of this uh century where China is

3384
01:02:00,390 --> 01:02:00,400
race of this uh century where China is
 

3385
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,349
race of this uh century where China is
now so much out in front because of the

3386
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:03,359
now so much out in front because of the
 

3387
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:05,510
now so much out in front because of the
efforts of the Trump administration on

3388
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:05,520
efforts of the Trump administration on
 

3389
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,109
efforts of the Trump administration on
clean energy, renewable energy,

3390
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:07,119
clean energy, renewable energy,
 

3391
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:10,789
clean energy, renewable energy,
electrification that they are going to

3392
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:10,799
electrification that they are going to
 

3393
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:13,910
electrification that they are going to
be the dominant superpower when it comes

3394
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:13,920
be the dominant superpower when it comes
 

3395
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,549
be the dominant superpower when it comes
to the defining challenge defining

3396
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:16,559
to the defining challenge defining
 

3397
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,230
to the defining challenge defining
revolution of this era, the the clean

3398
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:18,240
revolution of this era, the the clean
 

3399
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,030
revolution of this era, the the clean
energy revolution. all we don't get to

3400
01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:21,040
energy revolution. all we don't get to
 

3401
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,990
energy revolution. all we don't get to
determine you know uh whether you know

3402
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:24,000
determine you know uh whether you know
 

3403
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,670
determine you know uh whether you know
where the train goes right

3404
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:25,680
where the train goes right
 

3405
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,309
where the train goes right
>> we just get to determine uh whether we

3406
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:28,319
>> we just get to determine uh whether we
 

3407
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:29,910
>> we just get to determine uh whether we
get on board or whether we get left

3408
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:29,920
get on board or whether we get left
 

3409
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,109
get on board or whether we get left
behind at the station.

3410
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:31,119
behind at the station.
 

3411
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,270
behind at the station.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We only control what goes on

3412
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:33,280
>> Yeah. Yeah. We only control what goes on
 

3413
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,109
>> Yeah. Yeah. We only control what goes on
here and unfortunately are currently

3414
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:35,119
here and unfortunately are currently
 

3415
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,349
here and unfortunately are currently
dismantling the American scientific uh

3416
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:37,359
dismantling the American scientific uh
 

3417
01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:38,630
dismantling the American scientific uh
community.

3418
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:38,640
community.
 

3419
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,950
community.
>> So we will see what the ramifications

3420
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:40,960
>> So we will see what the ramifications
 

3421
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,309
>> So we will see what the ramifications
are culturally, economically etc.

3422
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:44,319
are culturally, economically etc.
 

3423
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:46,069
are culturally, economically etc.
>> Yeah. Well, let's again, you know, if

3424
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:46,079
>> Yeah. Well, let's again, you know, if
 

3425
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:48,150
>> Yeah. Well, let's again, you know, if
people turn out and vote, um it it

3426
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:48,160
people turn out and vote, um it it
 

3427
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,750
people turn out and vote, um it it
really does make a difference. Uh

3428
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:49,760
really does make a difference. Uh
 

3429
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,510
really does make a difference. Uh
elections have consequences, and I hope

3430
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:51,520
elections have consequences, and I hope
 

3431
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,510
elections have consequences, and I hope
that anybody who cares about the issues

3432
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:53,520
that anybody who cares about the issues
 

3433
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,670
that anybody who cares about the issues
that we've discussed here will will

3434
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:55,680
that we've discussed here will will
 

3435
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,069
that we've discussed here will will
think about that this this fall. Um and

3436
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:58,079
think about that this this fall. Um and
 

3437
01:02:58,079 --> 01:02:59,670
think about that this this fall. Um and
and and think about everything that they

3438
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:59,680
and and think about everything that they
 

3439
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,430
and and think about everything that they
can do to make sure that the folks that

3440
01:03:01,430 --> 01:03:01,440
can do to make sure that the folks that
 

3441
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,589
can do to make sure that the folks that
they know who also care about this turn

3442
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:03,599
they know who also care about this turn
 

3443
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:06,150
they know who also care about this turn
out um in every election. You can't stay

3444
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:06,160
out um in every election. You can't stay
 

3445
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,750
out um in every election. You can't stay
home in the midterm elections. You can't

3446
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:07,760
home in the midterm elections. You can't
 

3447
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,750
home in the midterm elections. You can't
stay home in the offterm elections

3448
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:09,760
stay home in the offterm elections
 

3449
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,150
stay home in the offterm elections
because if you do, they're going to make

3450
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:12,160
because if you do, they're going to make
 

3451
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,670
because if you do, they're going to make
uh all that progress that we made is

3452
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:13,680
uh all that progress that we made is
 

3453
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,190
uh all that progress that we made is
undone. And we've seen that happen.

3454
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:15,200
undone. And we've seen that happen.
 

3455
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,630
undone. And we've seen that happen.
>> They will make gains on the lower level

3456
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:16,640
>> They will make gains on the lower level
 

3457
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,029
>> They will make gains on the lower level
and then climb it up the ladder.

3458
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:19,039
and then climb it up the ladder.
 

3459
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:19,670
and then climb it up the ladder.
>> Yep.

3460
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:19,680
>> Yep.
 

3461
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,109
>> Yep.
>> Well, that's all the questions I had.

3462
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:21,119
>> Well, that's all the questions I had.
 

3463
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:22,870
>> Well, that's all the questions I had.
Definitely really really appreciate your

3464
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:22,880
Definitely really really appreciate your
 

3465
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,549
Definitely really really appreciate your
perspective here. I think that uh my

3466
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:24,559
perspective here. I think that uh my
 

3467
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,230
perspective here. I think that uh my
viewers obviously appreciate the

3468
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:26,240
viewers obviously appreciate the
 

3469
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,750
viewers obviously appreciate the
perspective. I do my best to convey

3470
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:27,760
perspective. I do my best to convey
 

3471
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,349
perspective. I do my best to convey
what's going on, but it's absolutely

3472
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:29,359
what's going on, but it's absolutely
 

3473
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:31,990
what's going on, but it's absolutely
crucial to hear from from uh scientific

3474
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:32,000
crucial to hear from from uh scientific
 

3475
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,589
crucial to hear from from uh scientific
experts and policy experts such as

3476
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:33,599
experts and policy experts such as
 

3477
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:35,029
experts and policy experts such as
yourself. So, thanks so much for joining

3478
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:35,039
yourself. So, thanks so much for joining
 

3479
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:35,990
yourself. So, thanks so much for joining
me today.

3480
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:36,000
me today.
 

3481
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,190
me today.
>> Thank you, Dave. It was great talking

3482
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:37,200
>> Thank you, Dave. It was great talking
 

3483
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,589
>> Thank you, Dave. It was great talking
with you and happy to come back anytime.

3484
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:39,599
with you and happy to come back anytime.
 

3485
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,190
with you and happy to come back anytime.
>> Thanks, Mike. While it's important to

3486
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:41,200
>> Thanks, Mike. While it's important to
 

3487
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,109
>> Thanks, Mike. While it's important to
dabble in optimism in order to remain

3488
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:43,119
dabble in optimism in order to remain
 

3489
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:45,029
dabble in optimism in order to remain
passionately politically active and

3490
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:45,039
passionately politically active and
 

3491
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:46,789
passionately politically active and
hopefully these guests have offered some

3492
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:46,799
hopefully these guests have offered some
 

3493
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:48,630
hopefully these guests have offered some
assistance in that endeavor, we also

3494
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:48,640
assistance in that endeavor, we also
 

3495
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,029
assistance in that endeavor, we also
have to remain honest about how royally

3496
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:51,039
have to remain honest about how royally
 

3497
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:53,270
have to remain honest about how royally
screwed we are. Truly, this is the

3498
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:53,280
screwed we are. Truly, this is the
 

3499
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,470
screwed we are. Truly, this is the
darkest timeline. Absolutely everyone in

3500
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:56,480
darkest timeline. Absolutely everyone in
 

3501
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,870
darkest timeline. Absolutely everyone in
Trump's clown car of a cabinet is

3502
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:58,880
Trump's clown car of a cabinet is
 

3503
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,789
Trump's clown car of a cabinet is
specifically antithetical to the job

3504
01:04:00,789 --> 01:04:00,799
specifically antithetical to the job
 

3505
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,870
specifically antithetical to the job
they have. We have a head of EPA who

3506
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:02,880
they have. We have a head of EPA who
 

3507
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,029
they have. We have a head of EPA who
sides with polluters over people. We

3508
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:05,039
sides with polluters over people. We
 

3509
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,029
sides with polluters over people. We
have a head of HHS who wants children

3510
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:07,039
have a head of HHS who wants children
 

3511
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,510
have a head of HHS who wants children
dead from vaccinereventable diseases. We

3512
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:09,520
dead from vaccinereventable diseases. We
 

3513
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,589
dead from vaccinereventable diseases. We
have a head of DoD who bombs first and

3514
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:11,599
have a head of DoD who bombs first and
 

3515
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,750
have a head of DoD who bombs first and
asks questions later while racking up

3516
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:13,760
asks questions later while racking up
 

3517
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,349
asks questions later while racking up
security blunders like they're going out

3518
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:15,359
security blunders like they're going out
 

3519
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:17,510
security blunders like they're going out
of style. We have a head of OM who is

3520
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:17,520
of style. We have a head of OM who is
 

3521
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,190
of style. We have a head of OM who is
actively dismantling the entire

3522
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:19,200
actively dismantling the entire
 

3523
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,950
actively dismantling the entire
scientific community to create a

3524
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:20,960
scientific community to create a
 

3525
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,270
scientific community to create a
trillion dollar slush fund. This is

3526
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:23,280
trillion dollar slush fund. This is
 

3527
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,750
trillion dollar slush fund. This is
without a doubt the worst presidential

3528
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:25,760
without a doubt the worst presidential
 

3529
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,390
without a doubt the worst presidential
cabinet in history. No other cabinet

3530
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:28,400
cabinet in history. No other cabinet
 

3531
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,710
cabinet in history. No other cabinet
even comes close. And the damage they

3532
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:30,720
even comes close. And the damage they
 

3533
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,789
even comes close. And the damage they
are causing will be generational in

3534
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:32,799
are causing will be generational in
 

3535
01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:34,870
are causing will be generational in
scope. These people are worse than

3536
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:34,880
scope. These people are worse than
 

3537
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,190
scope. These people are worse than
serial killers. They knowingly cause

3538
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:37,200
serial killers. They knowingly cause
 

3539
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,950
serial killers. They knowingly cause
devastating harm to the public for

3540
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:38,960
devastating harm to the public for
 

3541
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,510
devastating harm to the public for
money. They belong in prison or worse.

3542
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:41,520
money. They belong in prison or worse.
 

3543
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,270
money. They belong in prison or worse.
How will the rest of this term play out

3544
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:43,280
How will the rest of this term play out
 

3545
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,109
How will the rest of this term play out
and what fresh hell could possibly

3546
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:45,119
and what fresh hell could possibly
 

3547
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,109
and what fresh hell could possibly
follow? There's no way to know, but I

3548
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:47,119
follow? There's no way to know, but I
 

3549
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,750
follow? There's no way to know, but I
don't have a great feeling about it.

3550
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:49,760
don't have a great feeling about it.
 

3551
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,829
don't have a great feeling about it.
So, that's it for Lee Zeldon. Yet

3552
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:51,839
So, that's it for Lee Zeldon. Yet
 

3553
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:53,829
So, that's it for Lee Zeldon. Yet
another [\h__\h] stain fueling the nightmare

3554
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:53,839
another [\h__\h] stain fueling the nightmare
 

3555
01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:56,150
another [\h__\h] stain fueling the nightmare
that is Trump 2.0. I will continue to

3556
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:56,160
that is Trump 2.0. I will continue to
 

3557
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,589
that is Trump 2.0. I will continue to
comment on the activities of this

3558
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:57,599
comment on the activities of this
 

3559
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:59,670
comment on the activities of this
administration as it pertains to science

3560
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:59,680
administration as it pertains to science
 

3561
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,589
administration as it pertains to science
to the best of my limited ability. And

3562
01:05:01,589 --> 01:05:01,599
to the best of my limited ability. And
 

3563
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,430
to the best of my limited ability. And
trust me, there are many more figures to

3564
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:03,440
trust me, there are many more figures to
 

3565
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,510
trust me, there are many more figures to
cover. Who will be next? We'll just have

3566
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:05,520
cover. Who will be next? We'll just have
 

3567
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,319
cover. Who will be next? We'll just have
to wait and see.