1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,270 Um, I am interested in uh, hearing about 2 00:00:02,270 --> 00:00:02,280 Um, I am interested in uh, hearing about 3 00:00:02,280 --> 00:00:04,550 Um, I am interested in uh, hearing about uh, your musicianship, apparently. Sure. 4 00:00:04,550 --> 00:00:04,560 uh, your musicianship, apparently. Sure. 5 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:05,670 uh, your musicianship, apparently. Sure. Can you play? 6 00:00:05,670 --> 00:00:05,680 Can you play? 7 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,350 Can you play? >> Yeah, what do you what do you what? 8 00:00:07,350 --> 00:00:07,360 >> Yeah, what do you what do you what? 9 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,510 >> Yeah, what do you what do you what? >> Uh, so I grew up playing classical 10 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:09,520 >> Uh, so I grew up playing classical 11 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,550 >> Uh, so I grew up playing classical piano. Um, and then right before college 12 00:00:12,550 --> 00:00:12,560 piano. Um, and then right before college 13 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,910 piano. Um, and then right before college I switched over to drums. And so in 14 00:00:14,910 --> 00:00:14,920 I switched over to drums. And so in 15 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,550 I switched over to drums. And so in college I was uh, playing drums in a 16 00:00:16,550 --> 00:00:16,560 college I was uh, playing drums in a 17 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,030 college I was uh, playing drums in a bunch of bands as well as learning 18 00:00:18,030 --> 00:00:18,040 bunch of bands as well as learning 19 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,670 bunch of bands as well as learning various uh, ethnic and orchestral 20 00:00:19,670 --> 00:00:19,680 various uh, ethnic and orchestral 21 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,350 various uh, ethnic and orchestral percussions. And uh, that just like 22 00:00:23,350 --> 00:00:23,360 percussions. And uh, that just like 23 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,230 percussions. And uh, that just like in college I I decided I'm like, I want 24 00:00:25,230 --> 00:00:25,240 in college I I decided I'm like, I want 25 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:26,830 in college I I decided I'm like, I want to play drums in bands or you know, just 26 00:00:26,830 --> 00:00:26,840 to play drums in bands or you know, just 27 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,430 to play drums in bands or you know, just be a musician in general. So all 28 00:00:28,430 --> 00:00:28,440 be a musician in general. So all 29 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,230 be a musician in general. So all throughout my 20s I was playing 30 00:00:30,230 --> 00:00:30,240 throughout my 20s I was playing 31 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,429 throughout my 20s I was playing uh, in a bunch of bands and um, that was 32 00:00:32,429 --> 00:00:32,439 uh, in a bunch of bands and um, that was 33 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:34,230 uh, in a bunch of bands and um, that was what I wanted to do and got got pretty 34 00:00:34,230 --> 00:00:34,240 what I wanted to do and got got pretty 35 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,670 what I wanted to do and got got pretty far with one band. We were signed to a 36 00:00:35,670 --> 00:00:35,680 far with one band. We were signed to a 37 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,590 far with one band. We were signed to a label and touring and all that stuff and 38 00:00:37,590 --> 00:00:37,600 label and touring and all that stuff and 39 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,390 label and touring and all that stuff and um, that's around when I started the 40 00:00:39,390 --> 00:00:39,400 um, that's around when I started the 41 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,350 um, that's around when I started the channel. 42 00:00:40,350 --> 00:00:40,360 channel. 43 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,870 channel. Um, and then yeah, band didn't work out. 44 00:00:42,870 --> 00:00:42,880 Um, and then yeah, band didn't work out. 45 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,510 Um, and then yeah, band didn't work out. So pivoted to SciCom. 46 00:00:45,510 --> 00:00:45,520 So pivoted to SciCom. 47 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,150 So pivoted to SciCom. >> Sounds like it did work out. I mean, 48 00:00:47,150 --> 00:00:47,160 >> Sounds like it did work out. I mean, 49 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:48,550 >> Sounds like it did work out. I mean, that's farther than most people make it. 50 00:00:48,550 --> 00:00:48,560 that's farther than most people make it. 51 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,070 that's farther than most people make it. >> Yeah, sure. And yeah, way farther than 52 00:00:50,070 --> 00:00:50,080 >> Yeah, sure. And yeah, way farther than 53 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,950 >> Yeah, sure. And yeah, way farther than most people made it. Uh, had a had a 54 00:00:51,950 --> 00:00:51,960 most people made it. Uh, had a had a 55 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,790 most people made it. Uh, had a had a wonderful time, but still yeah, I mean 56 00:00:53,790 --> 00:00:53,800 wonderful time, but still yeah, I mean 57 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,470 wonderful time, but still yeah, I mean like I've 58 00:00:55,470 --> 00:00:55,480 like I've 59 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,750 like I've I I can't put it down. So yeah, I'm I'm 60 00:00:57,750 --> 00:00:57,760 I I can't put it down. So yeah, I'm I'm 61 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,230 I I can't put it down. So yeah, I'm I'm trying to get back to music this year, 62 00:00:59,230 --> 00:00:59,240 trying to get back to music this year, 63 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,590 trying to get back to music this year, which I was just something I've said 64 00:01:00,590 --> 00:01:00,600 which I was just something I've said 65 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,110 which I was just something I've said every year for the past like seven 66 00:01:02,110 --> 00:01:02,120 every year for the past like seven 67 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:02,590 every year for the past like seven years, but 68 00:01:02,590 --> 00:01:02,600 69 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,590 >> Sure. >> Yeah. 70 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:03,600 >> Yeah. 71 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,310 >> Yeah. >> Yeah, okay. That's cool. What is it like 72 00:01:05,310 --> 00:01:05,320 >> Yeah, okay. That's cool. What is it like 73 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:07,830 >> Yeah, okay. That's cool. What is it like uh, mostly uh, rock stuff? Like what 74 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:07,840 uh, mostly uh, rock stuff? Like what 75 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,510 uh, mostly uh, rock stuff? Like what were you playing? 76 00:01:08,510 --> 00:01:08,520 were you playing? 77 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,350 were you playing? >> Yeah, I mean in the in the very broad 78 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:11,360 >> Yeah, I mean in the in the very broad 79 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,990 >> Yeah, I mean in the in the very broad umbrella of rock. I mean, that band that 80 00:01:12,990 --> 00:01:13,000 umbrella of rock. I mean, that band that 81 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,950 umbrella of rock. I mean, that band that was doing pretty well was, you know, 82 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:14,960 was doing pretty well was, you know, 83 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:16,190 was doing pretty well was, you know, rock and roll kind of in indie 84 00:01:16,190 --> 00:01:16,200 rock and roll kind of in indie 85 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,910 rock and roll kind of in indie Americana, very guitar-driven rock. Um, 86 00:01:18,910 --> 00:01:18,920 Americana, very guitar-driven rock. Um, 87 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,350 Americana, very guitar-driven rock. Um, my stuff when I work on my own 88 00:01:22,350 --> 00:01:22,360 my stuff when I work on my own 89 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,230 my stuff when I work on my own is a lot more I'm heavily influenced by 90 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:25,240 is a lot more I'm heavily influenced by 91 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,670 is a lot more I'm heavily influenced by vintage progressive and psychedelic rock 92 00:01:27,670 --> 00:01:27,680 vintage progressive and psychedelic rock 93 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,430 vintage progressive and psychedelic rock as well as modern synth pop and very 94 00:01:30,430 --> 00:01:30,440 as well as modern synth pop and very 95 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,350 as well as modern synth pop and very specific niches within electronica um, 96 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:33,360 specific niches within electronica um, 97 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,550 specific niches within electronica um, and so I'm kind of trying to blend 98 00:01:35,550 --> 00:01:35,560 and so I'm kind of trying to blend 99 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,590 and so I'm kind of trying to blend modern synth pop and electronica with 100 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:37,600 modern synth pop and electronica with 101 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,390 modern synth pop and electronica with more of like a vintage uh, aesthetic and 102 00:01:40,390 --> 00:01:40,400 more of like a vintage uh, aesthetic and 103 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,230 more of like a vintage uh, aesthetic and approach to live performance. Um, 104 00:01:43,230 --> 00:01:43,240 approach to live performance. Um, 105 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,990 approach to live performance. Um, I guess is how I would describe my what 106 00:01:44,990 --> 00:01:45,000 I guess is how I would describe my what 107 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,750 I guess is how I would describe my what I'm trying to do. Yeah. 108 00:01:46,750 --> 00:01:46,760 I'm trying to do. Yeah. 109 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,270 I'm trying to do. Yeah. >> Yeah, okay. So that's too specific to 110 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:49,280 >> Yeah, okay. So that's too specific to 111 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,790 >> Yeah, okay. So that's too specific to not have strong opinions on that, I 112 00:01:50,790 --> 00:01:50,800 not have strong opinions on that, I 113 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,670 not have strong opinions on that, I would assume. Like what what what drives 114 00:01:52,670 --> 00:01:52,680 would assume. Like what what what drives 115 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:53,790 would assume. Like what what what drives you in that direction? What what's so 116 00:01:53,790 --> 00:01:53,800 you in that direction? What what's so 117 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:54,950 you in that direction? What what's so attractive about that? 118 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:54,960 attractive about that? 119 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,590 attractive about that? >> Sure. Yeah, so I I'm in love with the 120 00:01:57,590 --> 00:01:57,600 >> Sure. Yeah, so I I'm in love with the 121 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,790 >> Sure. Yeah, so I I'm in love with the aesthetic of a lot of modern music 122 00:02:00,790 --> 00:02:00,800 aesthetic of a lot of modern music 123 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,190 aesthetic of a lot of modern music that's the kind of on the cutting edge, 124 00:02:02,190 --> 00:02:02,200 that's the kind of on the cutting edge, 125 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,190 that's the kind of on the cutting edge, the frontier sonically. Um but I really 126 00:02:05,190 --> 00:02:05,200 the frontier sonically. Um but I really 127 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,950 the frontier sonically. Um but I really dislike how a lot of in particular synth 128 00:02:07,950 --> 00:02:07,960 dislike how a lot of in particular synth 129 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,109 dislike how a lot of in particular synth pop and then obviously electronica, but 130 00:02:10,109 --> 00:02:10,119 pop and then obviously electronica, but 131 00:02:10,119 --> 00:02:10,910 pop and then obviously electronica, but um 132 00:02:10,910 --> 00:02:10,920 um 133 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:12,870 um uh the the lot the way that music is 134 00:02:12,870 --> 00:02:12,880 uh the the lot the way that music is 135 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,550 uh the the lot the way that music is performed live a lot of the times. Um I 136 00:02:15,550 --> 00:02:15,560 performed live a lot of the times. Um I 137 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,910 performed live a lot of the times. Um I don't like the approach of, "Hey, we 138 00:02:18,910 --> 00:02:18,920 don't like the approach of, "Hey, we 139 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,310 don't like the approach of, "Hey, we wrote this track and the track went big 140 00:02:21,310 --> 00:02:21,320 wrote this track and the track went big 141 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,070 wrote this track and the track went big and it has this specific snare sample or 142 00:02:24,070 --> 00:02:24,080 and it has this specific snare sample or 143 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,470 and it has this specific snare sample or this whatever it is." And that has to be 144 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:26,480 this whatever it is." And that has to be 145 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,670 this whatever it is." And that has to be live, so we're going to sample 146 00:02:27,670 --> 00:02:27,680 live, so we're going to sample 147 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,830 live, so we're going to sample everything or a lot played up to backing 148 00:02:29,830 --> 00:02:29,840 everything or a lot played up to backing 149 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,430 everything or a lot played up to backing tracks and stuff like that. And that to 150 00:02:31,430 --> 00:02:31,440 tracks and stuff like that. And that to 151 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,910 tracks and stuff like that. And that to me just like sucks the soul out of 152 00:02:32,910 --> 00:02:32,920 me just like sucks the soul out of 153 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:34,790 me just like sucks the soul out of everything. I like the way music was 154 00:02:34,790 --> 00:02:34,800 everything. I like the way music was 155 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,949 everything. I like the way music was performed in the '70s. I love Zeppelin 156 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:36,959 performed in the '70s. I love Zeppelin 157 00:02:36,959 --> 00:02:39,150 performed in the '70s. I love Zeppelin and Floyd and all of that stuff and 158 00:02:39,150 --> 00:02:39,160 and Floyd and all of that stuff and 159 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,470 and Floyd and all of that stuff and progressive rock and King Crimson and 160 00:02:41,470 --> 00:02:41,480 progressive rock and King Crimson and 161 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,270 progressive rock and King Crimson and that kind of stuff. So, it's like I kind 162 00:02:43,270 --> 00:02:43,280 that kind of stuff. So, it's like I kind 163 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,310 that kind of stuff. So, it's like I kind of wanted to see if I can take 164 00:02:46,310 --> 00:02:46,320 of wanted to see if I can take 165 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:47,870 of wanted to see if I can take uh really interesting avant-garde 166 00:02:47,870 --> 00:02:47,880 uh really interesting avant-garde 167 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,430 uh really interesting avant-garde electronica and synth pop. Um I love 168 00:02:50,430 --> 00:02:50,440 electronica and synth pop. Um I love 169 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,310 electronica and synth pop. Um I love like LCD Soundsystem LCD Soundsystem 170 00:02:52,310 --> 00:02:52,320 like LCD Soundsystem LCD Soundsystem 171 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,430 like LCD Soundsystem LCD Soundsystem nails everything live. So, they're 172 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:53,440 nails everything live. So, they're 173 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,270 nails everything live. So, they're they're they're they're not an example 174 00:02:55,270 --> 00:02:55,280 they're they're they're not an example 175 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,790 they're they're they're not an example of what I'm talking about. They I I love 176 00:02:56,790 --> 00:02:56,800 of what I'm talking about. They I I love 177 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,470 of what I'm talking about. They I I love their live show. Um but then there's 178 00:02:58,470 --> 00:02:58,480 their live show. Um but then there's 179 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,550 their live show. Um but then there's stuff like Boards of Canada and Trent 180 00:03:00,550 --> 00:03:00,560 stuff like Boards of Canada and Trent 181 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,310 stuff like Boards of Canada and Trent Reznor and like EDM and then certain you 182 00:03:03,310 --> 00:03:03,320 Reznor and like EDM and then certain you 183 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,110 Reznor and like EDM and then certain you know, there's just all this really cool 184 00:03:05,110 --> 00:03:05,120 know, there's just all this really cool 185 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,750 know, there's just all this really cool sonic stuff and I'm like, "What if this 186 00:03:06,750 --> 00:03:06,760 sonic stuff and I'm like, "What if this 187 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,350 sonic stuff and I'm like, "What if this is played live with like my best attempt 188 00:03:10,350 --> 00:03:10,360 is played live with like my best attempt 189 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,550 is played live with like my best attempt at Pink Floyd style vocals and lyrics?" 190 00:03:12,550 --> 00:03:12,560 at Pink Floyd style vocals and lyrics?" 191 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,550 at Pink Floyd style vocals and lyrics?" Like really heady um futurism themed um 192 00:03:17,550 --> 00:03:17,560 Like really heady um futurism themed um 193 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,949 Like really heady um futurism themed um lyrical content over this stuff. Um 194 00:03:20,949 --> 00:03:20,959 lyrical content over this stuff. Um 195 00:03:20,959 --> 00:03:22,670 lyrical content over this stuff. Um that's not something I really seen and I 196 00:03:22,670 --> 00:03:22,680 that's not something I really seen and I 197 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,390 that's not something I really seen and I really want it to exist. So, I'm going 198 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:24,400 really want it to exist. So, I'm going 199 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,229 really want it to exist. So, I'm going to try my best to create 200 00:03:26,229 --> 00:03:26,239 to try my best to create 201 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:27,150 to try my best to create >> That's cool. 202 00:03:27,150 --> 00:03:27,160 >> That's cool. 203 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,190 >> That's cool. >> Yeah, so do you have a group that you 204 00:03:29,190 --> 00:03:29,200 >> Yeah, so do you have a group that you 205 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,190 >> Yeah, so do you have a group that you like are imagining this with? 206 00:03:31,190 --> 00:03:31,200 like are imagining this with? 207 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,949 like are imagining this with? >> Yeah, my project is called Simulated 208 00:03:32,949 --> 00:03:32,959 >> Yeah, my project is called Simulated 209 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:36,710 >> Yeah, my project is called Simulated Sun. Uh I did an EP in 2019. That's the 210 00:03:36,710 --> 00:03:36,720 Sun. Uh I did an EP in 2019. That's the 211 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,870 Sun. Uh I did an EP in 2019. That's the last time I produced any music, but I 212 00:03:38,870 --> 00:03:38,880 last time I produced any music, but I 213 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,870 last time I produced any music, but I kind of threw together five tracks that 214 00:03:40,870 --> 00:03:40,880 kind of threw together five tracks that 215 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,550 kind of threw together five tracks that I'm really proud of and I did a few 216 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:42,560 I'm really proud of and I did a few 217 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,590 I'm really proud of and I did a few music videos. And so, that was with kind 218 00:03:44,590 --> 00:03:44,600 music videos. And so, that was with kind 219 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,030 music videos. And so, that was with kind of I I worked on that for just a few 220 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:46,040 of I I worked on that for just a few 221 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,590 of I I worked on that for just a few months. Like I wrote the tunes in like 222 00:03:47,590 --> 00:03:47,600 months. Like I wrote the tunes in like 223 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,949 months. Like I wrote the tunes in like two months and then I kind of you know, 224 00:03:48,949 --> 00:03:48,959 two months and then I kind of you know, 225 00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:51,790 two months and then I kind of you know, recorded them um really quickly and and 226 00:03:51,790 --> 00:03:51,800 recorded them um really quickly and and 227 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,350 recorded them um really quickly and and I was like, "That's cool, you know, this 228 00:03:53,350 --> 00:03:53,360 I was like, "That's cool, you know, this 229 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,110 I was like, "That's cool, you know, this is this EP will get me started Uh and 230 00:03:55,110 --> 00:03:55,120 is this EP will get me started Uh and 231 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,110 is this EP will get me started Uh and then right after that 232 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:57,120 then right after that 233 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,230 then right after that I had a kid and then COVID hit and then 234 00:03:59,230 --> 00:03:59,240 I had a kid and then COVID hit and then 235 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,510 I had a kid and then COVID hit and then I had another kid and it just like I 236 00:04:01,510 --> 00:04:01,520 I had another kid and it just like I 237 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,870 I had another kid and it just like I just for the past 6 years it's just been 238 00:04:04,870 --> 00:04:04,880 just for the past 6 years it's just been 239 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:05,790 just for the past 6 years it's just been like 240 00:04:05,790 --> 00:04:05,800 like 241 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,390 like head down working on science 242 00:04:07,390 --> 00:04:07,400 head down working on science 243 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,710 head down working on science communication and you know, getting my 244 00:04:08,710 --> 00:04:08,720 communication and you know, getting my 245 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,070 communication and you know, getting my career going and every year just like 246 00:04:10,070 --> 00:04:10,080 career going and every year just like 247 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,070 career going and every year just like no, okay, next year I'll do it now. 248 00:04:12,070 --> 00:04:12,080 no, okay, next year I'll do it now. 249 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,750 no, okay, next year I'll do it now. Yeah. So. 250 00:04:12,750 --> 00:04:12,760 Yeah. So. 251 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,430 Yeah. So. >> Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, I would 252 00:04:14,430 --> 00:04:14,440 >> Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, I would 253 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,150 >> Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, I would encourage you to get into it as soon as 254 00:04:16,150 --> 00:04:16,160 encourage you to get into it as soon as 255 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,190 encourage you to get into it as soon as possible. I get a lot of like 256 00:04:18,190 --> 00:04:18,200 possible. I get a lot of like 257 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,470 possible. I get a lot of like retirement age people come in and 258 00:04:20,470 --> 00:04:20,480 retirement age people come in and 259 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,430 retirement age people come in and they're like man, I wish I would have 260 00:04:21,430 --> 00:04:21,440 they're like man, I wish I would have 261 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,790 they're like man, I wish I would have started this 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 262 00:04:23,790 --> 00:04:23,800 started this 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 263 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,510 started this 10 years ago, 20 years ago, but life life is busy. 264 00:04:25,510 --> 00:04:25,520 but life life is busy. 265 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,430 but life life is busy. >> Totally, yeah. 266 00:04:26,430 --> 00:04:26,440 >> Totally, yeah. 267 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,190 >> Totally, yeah. >> So, yeah, so then in the timeline of 268 00:04:29,190 --> 00:04:29,200 >> So, yeah, so then in the timeline of 269 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,230 >> So, yeah, so then in the timeline of things like so you you get out of 270 00:04:31,230 --> 00:04:31,240 things like so you you get out of 271 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,550 things like so you you get out of college, you're playing drums. 272 00:04:33,550 --> 00:04:33,560 college, you're playing drums. 273 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:33,830 college, you're playing drums. >> Mhm. 274 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:33,840 >> Mhm. 275 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:36,070 >> Mhm. >> You go to where you get off tour, you 276 00:04:36,070 --> 00:04:36,080 >> You go to where you get off tour, you 277 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,870 >> You go to where you get off tour, you start a YouTube channel. 278 00:04:37,870 --> 00:04:37,880 start a YouTube channel. 279 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,430 start a YouTube channel. A kid comes. 280 00:04:39,430 --> 00:04:39,440 A kid comes. 281 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,590 A kid comes. COVID's in there somewhere. 282 00:04:41,590 --> 00:04:41,600 COVID's in there somewhere. 283 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:42,870 COVID's in there somewhere. Another kid comes. 284 00:04:42,870 --> 00:04:42,880 Another kid comes. 285 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:43,110 Another kid comes. >> Yeah. 286 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:43,120 >> Yeah. 287 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,670 >> Yeah. >> Yeah, you know, you summarize 288 00:04:44,670 --> 00:04:44,680 >> Yeah, you know, you summarize 289 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,883 >> Yeah, you know, you summarize >> That that was that was like 18 years 290 00:04:46,883 --> 00:04:46,893 >> That that was that was like 18 years 291 00:04:46,893 --> 00:04:47,350 >> That that was that was like 18 years >> [laughter] 292 00:04:47,350 --> 00:04:47,360 >> [laughter] 293 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,550 >> [laughter] >> went through there. 294 00:04:48,550 --> 00:04:48,560 >> went through there. 295 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,630 >> went through there. I'm older than I look, but yeah, I I 296 00:04:51,630 --> 00:04:51,640 I'm older than I look, but yeah, I I 297 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,310 I'm older than I look, but yeah, I I yeah, for I mean 298 00:04:53,310 --> 00:04:53,320 yeah, for I mean 299 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,990 yeah, for I mean I graduated college when I was 21 and I 300 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:55,000 I graduated college when I was 21 and I 301 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,150 I graduated college when I was 21 and I had my first kid when I was 36. So, 302 00:04:57,150 --> 00:04:57,160 had my first kid when I was 36. So, 303 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,830 had my first kid when I was 36. So, yeah, but all through my 20s 304 00:04:59,830 --> 00:04:59,840 yeah, but all through my 20s 305 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,070 yeah, but all through my 20s it was just bands bands bands through 306 00:05:02,070 --> 00:05:02,080 it was just bands bands bands through 307 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,909 it was just bands bands bands through until my early 30s. I started the 308 00:05:03,909 --> 00:05:03,919 until my early 30s. I started the 309 00:05:03,919 --> 00:05:05,870 until my early 30s. I started the channel when I was 31 while I was still 310 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:05,880 channel when I was 31 while I was still 311 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,630 channel when I was 31 while I was still in the band as as an attempt to get some 312 00:05:07,630 --> 00:05:07,640 in the band as as an attempt to get some 313 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,550 in the band as as an attempt to get some passive income going cuz we'd be on the 314 00:05:09,550 --> 00:05:09,560 passive income going cuz we'd be on the 315 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,830 passive income going cuz we'd be on the road so much. So, it's like we you know, 316 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:11,840 road so much. So, it's like we you know, 317 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:14,550 road so much. So, it's like we you know, we we we the band wouldn't earn enough 318 00:05:14,550 --> 00:05:14,560 we we we the band wouldn't earn enough 319 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,030 we we we the band wouldn't earn enough money to pay for all the band stuff. So, 320 00:05:16,030 --> 00:05:16,040 money to pay for all the band stuff. So, 321 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,950 money to pay for all the band stuff. So, we weren't really putting personal money 322 00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:17,960 we weren't really putting personal money 323 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,909 we weren't really putting personal money into it, which is great cuz bands are 324 00:05:19,909 --> 00:05:19,919 into it, which is great cuz bands are 325 00:05:19,919 --> 00:05:21,550 into it, which is great cuz bands are require so much money, 326 00:05:21,550 --> 00:05:21,560 require so much money, 327 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,710 require so much money, but we're like how the hell do we pay 328 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:22,720 but we're like how the hell do we pay 329 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,230 but we're like how the hell do we pay rent? None of us can have jobs like 330 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:24,240 rent? None of us can have jobs like 331 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,670 rent? None of us can have jobs like we're you know, 332 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:25,680 we're you know, 333 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,710 we're you know, what are we going to do? So, yeah, I I 334 00:05:27,710 --> 00:05:27,720 what are we going to do? So, yeah, I I 335 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,909 what are we going to do? So, yeah, I I tried to start this channel and um 336 00:05:29,909 --> 00:05:29,919 tried to start this channel and um 337 00:05:29,919 --> 00:05:30,950 tried to start this channel and um >> Yeah. 338 00:05:30,950 --> 00:05:30,960 >> Yeah. 339 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,710 >> Yeah. >> became the A plan eventually. 340 00:05:33,710 --> 00:05:33,720 >> became the A plan eventually. 341 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,990 >> became the A plan eventually. >> That's the thing. So, you saw YouTube as 342 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:36,000 >> That's the thing. So, you saw YouTube as 343 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,190 >> That's the thing. So, you saw YouTube as the potential income source and not 344 00:05:39,190 --> 00:05:39,200 the potential income source and not 345 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,270 the potential income source and not smell it. Okay. 346 00:05:40,270 --> 00:05:40,280 smell it. Okay. 347 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:42,190 smell it. Okay. >> Yeah, that's how it started. Just maybe 348 00:05:42,190 --> 00:05:42,200 >> Yeah, that's how it started. Just maybe 349 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,670 >> Yeah, that's how it started. Just maybe I can make a couple grand a month, you 350 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:43,680 I can make a couple grand a month, you 351 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,750 I can make a couple grand a month, you know. This is 2014 is when I had the 352 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:45,760 know. This is 2014 is when I had the 353 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,990 know. This is 2014 is when I had the idea for the channel 354 00:05:46,990 --> 00:05:47,000 idea for the channel 355 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:47,190 idea for the channel >> Okay. 356 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:47,200 >> Okay. 357 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,910 >> Okay. >> and filmed the initial content and then 358 00:05:48,910 --> 00:05:48,920 >> and filmed the initial content and then 359 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,270 >> and filmed the initial content and then I released my first organic chemistry 360 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:51,280 I released my first organic chemistry 361 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,270 I released my first organic chemistry tutorials on January 2015. 362 00:05:54,270 --> 00:05:54,280 tutorials on January 2015. 363 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:55,310 tutorials on January 2015. >> I have a hard time imagining what 364 00:05:55,310 --> 00:05:55,320 >> I have a hard time imagining what 365 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,390 >> I have a hard time imagining what YouTube looked like in 2014. Like who 366 00:05:57,390 --> 00:05:57,400 YouTube looked like in 2014. Like who 367 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,510 YouTube looked like in 2014. Like who else was in that space? 368 00:05:58,510 --> 00:05:58,520 else was in that space? 369 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,670 else was in that space? >> Sure. Yeah, in the in the educational 370 00:06:00,670 --> 00:06:00,680 >> Sure. Yeah, in the in the educational 371 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,430 >> Sure. Yeah, in the in the educational space it was pretty sparse, which was 372 00:06:02,430 --> 00:06:02,440 space it was pretty sparse, which was 373 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,470 space it was pretty sparse, which was very good for me. But there was stuff. I 374 00:06:04,470 --> 00:06:04,480 very good for me. But there was stuff. I 375 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,150 very good for me. But there was stuff. I mean Khan Academy started in like '07, 376 00:06:07,150 --> 00:06:07,160 mean Khan Academy started in like '07, 377 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,110 mean Khan Academy started in like '07, '08. They they were there for very, you 378 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:09,120 '08. They they were there for very, you 379 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,670 '08. They they were there for very, you know, and then Crash Course and and then 380 00:06:11,670 --> 00:06:11,680 know, and then Crash Course and and then 381 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,150 know, and then Crash Course and and then in chemistry in particular there was 382 00:06:13,150 --> 00:06:13,160 in chemistry in particular there was 383 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,190 in chemistry in particular there was there was like a Tyler DeWitt. You know, 384 00:06:15,190 --> 00:06:15,200 there was like a Tyler DeWitt. You know, 385 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,950 there was like a Tyler DeWitt. You know, there's there's people there were people 386 00:06:16,950 --> 00:06:16,960 there's there's people there were people 387 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,670 there's there's people there were people making educational content and I looked 388 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:18,680 making educational content and I looked 389 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,430 making educational content and I looked at it and was like, well, I can do that 390 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:20,440 at it and was like, well, I can do that 391 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,350 at it and was like, well, I can do that cuz all through the interim 392 00:06:22,350 --> 00:06:22,360 cuz all through the interim 393 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,950 cuz all through the interim you know, I studied chemistry and I had 394 00:06:23,950 --> 00:06:23,960 you know, I studied chemistry and I had 395 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:24,909 you know, I studied chemistry and I had been 396 00:06:24,909 --> 00:06:24,919 been 397 00:06:24,919 --> 00:06:27,030 been teaching chemistry to to pay the bills 398 00:06:27,030 --> 00:06:27,040 teaching chemistry to to pay the bills 399 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,510 teaching chemistry to to pay the bills for all of my adulthood. So 400 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:29,520 for all of my adulthood. So 401 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:30,750 for all of my adulthood. So and I had been teaching organic 402 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:30,760 and I had been teaching organic 403 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,230 and I had been teaching organic chemistry at this trade university. 404 00:06:33,230 --> 00:06:33,240 chemistry at this trade university. 405 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,350 chemistry at this trade university. And so I just delivered my lectures 406 00:06:36,350 --> 00:06:36,360 And so I just delivered my lectures 407 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:37,950 And so I just delivered my lectures to camera as though I was teaching class 408 00:06:37,950 --> 00:06:37,960 to camera as though I was teaching class 409 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:38,870 to camera as though I was teaching class and 410 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:38,880 and 411 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,510 and put them online. I was like, let's see 412 00:06:40,510 --> 00:06:40,520 put them online. I was like, let's see 413 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,070 put them online. I was like, let's see what what's see what this does. I don't 414 00:06:42,070 --> 00:06:42,080 what what's see what this does. I don't 415 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:42,790 what what's see what this does. I don't know. 416 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:42,800 know. 417 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:43,750 know. >> Yeah, that's cool. 418 00:06:43,750 --> 00:06:43,760 >> Yeah, that's cool. 419 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,110 >> Yeah, that's cool. >> Yeah. 420 00:06:44,110 --> 00:06:44,120 >> Yeah. 421 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,510 >> Yeah. >> So then at some point it feels like 422 00:06:47,510 --> 00:06:47,520 >> So then at some point it feels like 423 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,790 >> So then at some point it feels like this other thing came into your channel, 424 00:06:49,790 --> 00:06:49,800 this other thing came into your channel, 425 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,350 this other thing came into your channel, which is debunking. 426 00:06:52,350 --> 00:06:52,360 which is debunking. 427 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,390 which is debunking. >> Yeah. 428 00:06:53,390 --> 00:06:53,400 >> Yeah. 429 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,350 >> Yeah. >> Maybe period. Debunking. 430 00:06:55,350 --> 00:06:55,360 >> Maybe period. Debunking. 431 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,230 >> Maybe period. Debunking. >> Yes. 432 00:06:56,230 --> 00:06:56,240 >> Yes. 433 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,150 >> Yes. >> So 434 00:06:57,150 --> 00:06:57,160 >> So 435 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,670 >> So when did you when did you think when do 436 00:06:59,670 --> 00:06:59,680 when did you when did you think when do 437 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,350 when did you when did you think when do you think it first started to leak in 438 00:07:01,350 --> 00:07:01,360 you think it first started to leak in 439 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,070 you think it first started to leak in and when do you think you first noticed 440 00:07:03,070 --> 00:07:03,080 and when do you think you first noticed 441 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:03,790 and when do you think you first noticed that? 442 00:07:03,790 --> 00:07:03,800 that? 443 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,870 that? >> Yeah, so it was was kind of by chance. I 444 00:07:06,870 --> 00:07:06,880 >> Yeah, so it was was kind of by chance. I 445 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,510 >> Yeah, so it was was kind of by chance. I just I was making astronomy content just 446 00:07:09,510 --> 00:07:09,520 just I was making astronomy content just 447 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,430 just I was making astronomy content just like Astro 101 what you learn in 448 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:11,440 like Astro 101 what you learn in 449 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,230 like Astro 101 what you learn in freshman year in college. And I thought 450 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:14,240 freshman year in college. And I thought 451 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,590 freshman year in college. And I thought it would be fun to cap the series by 452 00:07:16,590 --> 00:07:16,600 it would be fun to cap the series by 453 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,110 it would be fun to cap the series by doing two little fun videos debunking 454 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:19,120 doing two little fun videos debunking 455 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,470 doing two little fun videos debunking astrology and flat Earth. And honestly, 456 00:07:21,470 --> 00:07:21,480 astrology and flat Earth. And honestly, 457 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,870 astrology and flat Earth. And honestly, I thought the astrology one would get 458 00:07:22,870 --> 00:07:22,880 I thought the astrology one would get 459 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,070 I thought the astrology one would get more more heat. 460 00:07:25,070 --> 00:07:25,080 more more heat. 461 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,110 more more heat. But cuz flat earthers I I I didn't take 462 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:27,120 But cuz flat earthers I I I didn't take 463 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,710 But cuz flat earthers I I I didn't take seriously and honestly at that time when 464 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:28,720 seriously and honestly at that time when 465 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,310 seriously and honestly at that time when I made that first one, I didn't look up 466 00:07:30,310 --> 00:07:30,320 I made that first one, I didn't look up 467 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,630 I made that first one, I didn't look up a single thing about flat earthers. I 468 00:07:32,630 --> 00:07:32,640 a single thing about flat earthers. I 469 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,510 a single thing about flat earthers. I had heard that they exist and was like, 470 00:07:34,510 --> 00:07:34,520 had heard that they exist and was like, 471 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:35,990 had heard that they exist and was like, that's probably a joke, but I don't know 472 00:07:35,990 --> 00:07:36,000 that's probably a joke, but I don't know 473 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,110 that's probably a joke, but I don't know what that is. And I just made a video 474 00:07:38,110 --> 00:07:38,120 what that is. And I just made a video 475 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,310 what that is. And I just made a video sort of 476 00:07:39,310 --> 00:07:39,320 sort of 477 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,270 sort of you know, 478 00:07:40,270 --> 00:07:40,280 you know, 479 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,550 you know, recapitulating lessons from the series 480 00:07:43,550 --> 00:07:43,560 recapitulating lessons from the series 481 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,510 recapitulating lessons from the series that to explain how we figured out the 482 00:07:45,510 --> 00:07:45,520 that to explain how we figured out the 483 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:46,710 that to explain how we figured out the earth is a sphere, right? Well, you 484 00:07:46,710 --> 00:07:46,720 earth is a sphere, right? Well, you 485 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,270 earth is a sphere, right? Well, you know, 2,500 years ago in classical 486 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:48,280 know, 2,500 years ago in classical 487 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,830 know, 2,500 years ago in classical Greece at the at the at the very least, 488 00:07:50,830 --> 00:07:50,840 Greece at the at the at the very least, 489 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,550 Greece at the at the at the very least, right? You maybe even earlier. Just 490 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:52,560 right? You maybe even earlier. Just 491 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,510 right? You maybe even earlier. Just basic observations of the celestial 492 00:07:54,510 --> 00:07:54,520 basic observations of the celestial 493 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,830 basic observations of the celestial sphere, things like that, how we figured 494 00:07:55,830 --> 00:07:55,840 sphere, things like that, how we figured 495 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,270 sphere, things like that, how we figured out that the earth is a sphere. Um 496 00:07:58,270 --> 00:07:58,280 out that the earth is a sphere. Um 497 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,670 out that the earth is a sphere. Um and then this channel called the 498 00:07:59,670 --> 00:07:59,680 and then this channel called the 499 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,670 and then this channel called the Globebusters 500 00:08:01,670 --> 00:08:01,680 Globebusters 501 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,070 Globebusters um like found that the the the very 502 00:08:04,070 --> 00:08:04,080 um like found that the the the very 503 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,310 um like found that the the the very first day it went up, it went to the it 504 00:08:06,310 --> 00:08:06,320 first day it went up, it went to the it 505 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,750 first day it went up, it went to the it was the number one search result for the 506 00:08:07,750 --> 00:08:07,760 was the number one search result for the 507 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,390 was the number one search result for the flat earth keyword and they were like, 508 00:08:09,390 --> 00:08:09,400 flat earth keyword and they were like, 509 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,030 flat earth keyword and they were like, oh, and fresh meat, we're going to we're 510 00:08:11,030 --> 00:08:11,040 oh, and fresh meat, we're going to we're 511 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,750 oh, and fresh meat, we're going to we're going to tear this apart on a live 512 00:08:12,750 --> 00:08:12,760 going to tear this apart on a live 513 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,870 going to tear this apart on a live stream and and I had you know, I wasn't 514 00:08:16,870 --> 00:08:16,880 stream and and I had you know, I wasn't 515 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,630 stream and and I had you know, I wasn't used to people like talking [\h__\h] about 516 00:08:18,630 --> 00:08:18,640 used to people like talking [\h__\h] about 517 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,070 used to people like talking [\h__\h] about me on the internet like not like today 518 00:08:20,070 --> 00:08:20,080 me on the internet like not like today 519 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,950 me on the internet like not like today where it's like 24/7 all the time 520 00:08:21,950 --> 00:08:21,960 where it's like 24/7 all the time 521 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,430 where it's like 24/7 all the time everyone's attacking me. But I was like, 522 00:08:24,430 --> 00:08:24,440 everyone's attacking me. But I was like, 523 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,510 everyone's attacking me. But I was like, oh my gosh, this will not do at all. So 524 00:08:26,510 --> 00:08:26,520 oh my gosh, this will not do at all. So 525 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,870 oh my gosh, this will not do at all. So I made a 45-minute video tearing apart 526 00:08:29,870 --> 00:08:29,880 I made a 45-minute video tearing apart 527 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,270 I made a 45-minute video tearing apart their ridiculous live stream and it's to 528 00:08:32,270 --> 00:08:32,280 their ridiculous live stream and it's to 529 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,469 their ridiculous live stream and it's to this day the number one viewed video on 530 00:08:34,469 --> 00:08:34,479 this day the number one viewed video on 531 00:08:34,479 --> 00:08:36,149 this day the number one viewed video on my entire channel has like 15 million 532 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:36,159 my entire channel has like 15 million 533 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:37,350 my entire channel has like 15 million views. 534 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:37,360 views. 535 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,750 views. Um and so that was what kind of dragged 536 00:08:39,750 --> 00:08:39,760 Um and so that was what kind of dragged 537 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,270 Um and so that was what kind of dragged me into it and then I made a couple more 538 00:08:41,270 --> 00:08:41,280 me into it and then I made a couple more 539 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,589 me into it and then I made a couple more flat earth ones cuz it was so much fun 540 00:08:43,589 --> 00:08:43,599 flat earth ones cuz it was so much fun 541 00:08:43,599 --> 00:08:46,230 flat earth ones cuz it was so much fun and and there I got such an incredible 542 00:08:46,230 --> 00:08:46,240 and and there I got such an incredible 543 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,190 and and there I got such an incredible positive response to that style of 544 00:08:48,190 --> 00:08:48,200 positive response to that style of 545 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,870 positive response to that style of content. I was like, I really like doing 546 00:08:49,870 --> 00:08:49,880 content. I was like, I really like doing 547 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,390 content. I was like, I really like doing this and people like watching it. So 548 00:08:52,390 --> 00:08:52,400 this and people like watching it. So 549 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,950 this and people like watching it. So then I thought, well, what else can I 550 00:08:54,950 --> 00:08:54,960 then I thought, well, what else can I 551 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,150 then I thought, well, what else can I debunk, you know, and so I moved on to 552 00:08:57,150 --> 00:08:57,160 debunk, you know, and so I moved on to 553 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,910 debunk, you know, and so I moved on to creationism and anti-vaxers and all, you 554 00:08:59,910 --> 00:08:59,920 creationism and anti-vaxers and all, you 555 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,350 creationism and anti-vaxers and all, you know, all manner of science denial, more 556 00:09:02,350 --> 00:09:02,360 know, all manner of science denial, more 557 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,990 know, all manner of science denial, more pressing areas of science denial, things 558 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:04,000 pressing areas of science denial, things 559 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,030 pressing areas of science denial, things that are actually I mean, all I I've 560 00:09:06,030 --> 00:09:06,040 that are actually I mean, all I I've 561 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,750 that are actually I mean, all I I've come to realize that all science denial 562 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:07,760 come to realize that all science denial 563 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,150 come to realize that all science denial is intertwined and harmful, but um some 564 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:10,160 is intertwined and harmful, but um some 565 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,829 is intertwined and harmful, but um some stuff that's a little bit more pressing, 566 00:09:11,829 --> 00:09:11,839 stuff that's a little bit more pressing, 567 00:09:11,839 --> 00:09:14,030 stuff that's a little bit more pressing, more immediately urgent like anything in 568 00:09:14,030 --> 00:09:14,040 more immediately urgent like anything in 569 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,070 more immediately urgent like anything in the medical sphere and things like that. 570 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:16,080 the medical sphere and things like that. 571 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,190 the medical sphere and things like that. >> Yeah. Okay, so moving back to flat earth 572 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:18,200 >> Yeah. Okay, so moving back to flat earth 573 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,310 >> Yeah. Okay, so moving back to flat earth though, 574 00:09:19,310 --> 00:09:19,320 though, 575 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,510 though, what do you think actually did bring 576 00:09:21,510 --> 00:09:21,520 what do you think actually did bring 577 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,470 what do you think actually did bring that back? 578 00:09:23,470 --> 00:09:23,480 that back? 579 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:23,910 that back? Like 580 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:23,920 Like 581 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:24,750 Like >> Oh, 582 00:09:24,750 --> 00:09:24,760 >> Oh, 583 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,990 >> Oh, yeah. I mean, just some some clowns 584 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:28,000 yeah. I mean, just some some clowns 585 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,390 yeah. I mean, just some some clowns putting content on on YouTube rehashing 586 00:09:30,390 --> 00:09:30,400 putting content on on YouTube rehashing 587 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,910 putting content on on YouTube rehashing stuff from 588 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:31,920 stuff from 589 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,470 stuff from There was this guy, I forget what the 590 00:09:33,470 --> 00:09:33,480 There was this guy, I forget what the 591 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,990 There was this guy, I forget what the guy's name was cuz I haven't been doing 592 00:09:34,990 --> 00:09:35,000 guy's name was cuz I haven't been doing 593 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,710 guy's name was cuz I haven't been doing flat earth content a while. What was uh 594 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:36,720 flat earth content a while. What was uh 595 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,990 flat earth content a while. What was uh it was like zetetic astronomy 596 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:39,000 it was like zetetic astronomy 597 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:39,550 it was like zetetic astronomy uh 598 00:09:39,550 --> 00:09:39,560 uh 599 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:40,790 uh I forget the guy's name, but he wrote 600 00:09:40,790 --> 00:09:40,800 I forget the guy's name, but he wrote 601 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,750 I forget the guy's name, but he wrote some book called Zetetic Astronomy in 602 00:09:42,750 --> 00:09:42,760 some book called Zetetic Astronomy in 603 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,070 some book called Zetetic Astronomy in the 19th century, and that was the last 604 00:09:45,070 --> 00:09:45,080 the 19th century, and that was the last 605 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,470 the 19th century, and that was the last time there was like this kind of 606 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:46,480 time there was like this kind of 607 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,710 time there was like this kind of movement of flat Earthers. 608 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:48,720 movement of flat Earthers. 609 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:49,950 movement of flat Earthers. Uh which now you would think is 610 00:09:49,950 --> 00:09:49,960 Uh which now you would think is 611 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,190 Uh which now you would think is impossible because we have, you know, 612 00:09:52,190 --> 00:09:52,200 impossible because we have, you know, 613 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,830 impossible because we have, you know, satellites and we go to space and stuff 614 00:09:53,830 --> 00:09:53,840 satellites and we go to space and stuff 615 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,830 satellites and we go to space and stuff like that, but of course it's all fake. 616 00:09:55,830 --> 00:09:55,840 like that, but of course it's all fake. 617 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,390 like that, but of course it's all fake. Uh so there was just a few people who uh 618 00:09:58,390 --> 00:09:58,400 Uh so there was just a few people who uh 619 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,950 Uh so there was just a few people who uh in the mid 2010 10s started kind of re 620 00:10:01,950 --> 00:10:01,960 in the mid 2010 10s started kind of re 621 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,830 in the mid 2010 10s started kind of re One of them is Eric Dubay, this this 622 00:10:03,830 --> 00:10:03,840 One of them is Eric Dubay, this this 623 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,181 One of them is Eric Dubay, this this idiot, and uh they just started uh 624 00:10:07,181 --> 00:10:07,191 idiot, and uh they just started uh 625 00:10:07,191 --> 00:10:07,310 idiot, and uh they just started uh >> [laughter] 626 00:10:07,310 --> 00:10:07,320 >> [laughter] 627 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,310 >> [laughter] >> like taking some of those things and 628 00:10:09,310 --> 00:10:09,320 >> like taking some of those things and 629 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,350 >> like taking some of those things and then adding other like, oh, you know, 630 00:10:11,350 --> 00:10:11,360 then adding other like, oh, you know, 631 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,550 then adding other like, oh, you know, just using that as a basis and then 632 00:10:13,550 --> 00:10:13,560 just using that as a basis and then 633 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:15,230 just using that as a basis and then filling it in with other stuff and just 634 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:15,240 filling it in with other stuff and just 635 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,030 filling it in with other stuff and just making YouTube videos and and people 636 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:17,040 making YouTube videos and and people 637 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,070 making YouTube videos and and people fall for it. I mean, some some people 638 00:10:19,070 --> 00:10:19,080 fall for it. I mean, some some people 639 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,510 fall for it. I mean, some some people say it was like a CIA psyop to just to 640 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:21,520 say it was like a CIA psyop to just to 641 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,430 say it was like a CIA psyop to just to like see what is the dumbest thing that 642 00:10:23,430 --> 00:10:23,440 like see what is the dumbest thing that 643 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:24,710 like see what is the dumbest thing that that they could get people in large 644 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:24,720 that they could get people in large 645 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,510 that they could get people in large numbers to fall for. I have no idea. 646 00:10:26,510 --> 00:10:26,520 numbers to fall for. I have no idea. 647 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,070 numbers to fall for. I have no idea. Maybe that Maybe that's true, maybe it's 648 00:10:28,070 --> 00:10:28,080 Maybe that Maybe that's true, maybe it's 649 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,190 Maybe that Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. But yeah, just a bunch of idiots on 650 00:10:30,190 --> 00:10:30,200 not. But yeah, just a bunch of idiots on 651 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,830 not. But yeah, just a bunch of idiots on YouTube uh spewing horse [\h__\h] and and 652 00:10:32,830 --> 00:10:32,840 YouTube uh spewing horse [\h__\h] and and 653 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,070 YouTube uh spewing horse [\h__\h] and and people fell for it. Not in huge numbers, 654 00:10:35,070 --> 00:10:35,080 people fell for it. Not in huge numbers, 655 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,870 people fell for it. Not in huge numbers, but, you know, a few thousand at any 656 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:36,880 but, you know, a few thousand at any 657 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:37,750 but, you know, a few thousand at any given time. 658 00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:37,760 given time. 659 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,510 given time. >> Yeah, that it seems higher to me than 660 00:10:40,510 --> 00:10:40,520 >> Yeah, that it seems higher to me than 661 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,870 >> Yeah, that it seems higher to me than should be possible. Uh like I mean, 662 00:10:43,870 --> 00:10:43,880 should be possible. Uh like I mean, 663 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,470 should be possible. Uh like I mean, Terrence Howard's got his, you know, 1 * 664 00:10:45,470 --> 00:10:45,480 Terrence Howard's got his, you know, 1 * 665 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,829 Terrence Howard's got his, you know, 1 * 1 = 1 thing and or two, I guess. Sorry, 666 00:10:48,829 --> 00:10:48,839 1 = 1 thing and or two, I guess. Sorry, 667 00:10:48,839 --> 00:10:50,350 1 = 1 thing and or two, I guess. Sorry, I accidentally said the right thing. Uh 668 00:10:50,350 --> 00:10:50,360 I accidentally said the right thing. Uh 669 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,350 I accidentally said the right thing. Uh like but I don't see anyone like No 670 00:10:52,350 --> 00:10:52,360 like but I don't see anyone like No 671 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,590 like but I don't see anyone like No one's in that camp. Like how do you get 672 00:10:54,590 --> 00:10:54,600 one's in that camp. Like how do you get 673 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:55,550 one's in that camp. Like how do you get someone 674 00:10:55,550 --> 00:10:55,560 someone 675 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,510 someone >> some I would say as many as there are 676 00:10:57,510 --> 00:10:57,520 >> some I would say as many as there are 677 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,350 >> some I would say as many as there are flat Earthers, which is very very few. 678 00:10:59,350 --> 00:10:59,360 flat Earthers, which is very very few. 679 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,070 flat Earthers, which is very very few. But there I mean, Terrence Howard got 680 00:11:01,070 --> 00:11:01,080 But there I mean, Terrence Howard got 681 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,710 But there I mean, Terrence Howard got that platform because he's a famous 682 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:02,720 that platform because he's a famous 683 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,710 that platform because he's a famous actor, right? He's an Oscar nominated 684 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:04,720 actor, right? He's an Oscar nominated 685 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,750 actor, right? He's an Oscar nominated actor. So if he if he wasn't, nobody 686 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:06,760 actor. So if he if he wasn't, nobody 687 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,550 actor. So if he if he wasn't, nobody would have paid attention to it. Um and 688 00:11:09,550 --> 00:11:09,560 would have paid attention to it. Um and 689 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,110 would have paid attention to it. Um and he went on Rogan and he spewed all that 690 00:11:11,110 --> 00:11:11,120 he went on Rogan and he spewed all that 691 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,990 he went on Rogan and he spewed all that stuff. But um 692 00:11:12,990 --> 00:11:13,000 stuff. But um 693 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,670 stuff. But um yeah, no, the the numbers are very very 694 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:14,680 yeah, no, the the numbers are very very 695 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:16,550 yeah, no, the the numbers are very very small. I would estimate there's maybe 5 696 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:16,560 small. I would estimate there's maybe 5 697 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,390 small. I would estimate there's maybe 5 to 10,000 flat Earthers in the entire 698 00:11:18,390 --> 00:11:18,400 to 10,000 flat Earthers in the entire 699 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,950 to 10,000 flat Earthers in the entire world at any given time. Um 700 00:11:20,950 --> 00:11:20,960 world at any given time. Um 701 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,750 world at any given time. Um So I mean, it's just it's an exercise in 702 00:11:24,750 --> 00:11:24,760 So I mean, it's just it's an exercise in 703 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,430 So I mean, it's just it's an exercise in how much can you suspend logic in favor 704 00:11:27,430 --> 00:11:27,440 how much can you suspend logic in favor 705 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,230 how much can you suspend logic in favor of a conspiratorial mindset because flat 706 00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:30,240 of a conspiratorial mindset because flat 707 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,270 of a conspiratorial mindset because flat Earth is uniquely ridiculous in in that 708 00:11:33,270 --> 00:11:33,280 Earth is uniquely ridiculous in in that 709 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,790 Earth is uniquely ridiculous in in that it requires you to not only 710 00:11:35,790 --> 00:11:35,800 it requires you to not only 711 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,430 it requires you to not only disbelieve the vast majority of all 712 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:38,440 disbelieve the vast majority of all 713 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,030 disbelieve the vast majority of all scientific knowledge, right? It's not 714 00:11:40,030 --> 00:11:40,040 scientific knowledge, right? It's not 715 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,470 scientific knowledge, right? It's not like you know, anti-vax or climate 716 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:42,480 like you know, anti-vax or climate 717 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,430 like you know, anti-vax or climate change denial, which is trying to be 718 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:44,440 change denial, which is trying to be 719 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,590 change denial, which is trying to be very specific. Um 720 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:46,600 very specific. Um 721 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,630 very specific. Um This is like geology all wrong, 722 00:11:48,630 --> 00:11:48,640 This is like geology all wrong, 723 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,710 This is like geology all wrong, astronomy all wrong, physics all wrong. 724 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:50,720 astronomy all wrong, physics all wrong. 725 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,510 astronomy all wrong, physics all wrong. It's all of science pretty much. Um and 726 00:11:53,510 --> 00:11:53,520 It's all of science pretty much. Um and 727 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,110 It's all of science pretty much. Um and then you couple that with the 728 00:11:56,110 --> 00:11:56,120 then you couple that with the 729 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,390 then you couple that with the the scope of the conspiracy being so 730 00:11:59,390 --> 00:11:59,400 the scope of the conspiracy being so 731 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,550 the scope of the conspiracy being so many millions or even billions of people 732 00:12:01,550 --> 00:12:01,560 many millions or even billions of people 733 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:03,350 many millions or even billions of people and so many trillions of dollar I mean 734 00:12:03,350 --> 00:12:03,360 and so many trillions of dollar I mean 735 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,390 and so many trillions of dollar I mean it's really all all of existence is 736 00:12:05,390 --> 00:12:05,400 it's really all all of existence is 737 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,670 it's really all all of existence is hiding this one thing and and honestly 738 00:12:07,670 --> 00:12:07,680 hiding this one thing and and honestly 739 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:09,510 hiding this one thing and and honestly truly for absolutely no reason because 740 00:12:09,510 --> 00:12:09,520 truly for absolutely no reason because 741 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,150 truly for absolutely no reason because were the revelation to come out it would 742 00:12:11,150 --> 00:12:11,160 were the revelation to come out it would 743 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,310 were the revelation to come out it would change nothing about societal dynamics 744 00:12:13,310 --> 00:12:13,320 change nothing about societal dynamics 745 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,590 change nothing about societal dynamics or or anything like that. So um it's 746 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:16,600 or or anything like that. So um it's 747 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,670 or or anything like that. So um it's absolutely insane. It's the bottom of 748 00:12:18,670 --> 00:12:18,680 absolutely insane. It's the bottom of 749 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:21,430 absolutely insane. It's the bottom of the barrel ridiculous thing most 750 00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:21,440 the barrel ridiculous thing most 751 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,423 the barrel ridiculous thing most ridiculous thing anyone can believe. 752 00:12:23,423 --> 00:12:23,433 ridiculous thing anyone can believe. 753 00:12:23,433 --> 00:12:23,590 ridiculous thing anyone can believe. >> [snorts] 754 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:23,600 >> [snorts] 755 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,270 >> [snorts] >> The people who are in it that I've 756 00:12:25,270 --> 00:12:25,280 >> The people who are in it that I've 757 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,270 >> The people who are in it that I've talked to don't seem uh severely 758 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:29,280 talked to don't seem uh severely 759 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,750 talked to don't seem uh severely mentally handy capped. 760 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:30,760 mentally handy capped. 761 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:31,190 mentally handy capped. >> Mhm. 762 00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:31,200 >> Mhm. 763 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,910 >> Mhm. >> Uh they seem they seem to me to be 764 00:12:33,910 --> 00:12:33,920 >> Uh they seem they seem to me to be 765 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,110 >> Uh they seem they seem to me to be severely philosophically handicapped. Uh 766 00:12:38,110 --> 00:12:38,120 severely philosophically handicapped. Uh 767 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,750 severely philosophically handicapped. Uh but 768 00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:39,760 but 769 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,510 but I don't know. I 770 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:41,520 I don't know. I 771 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,829 I don't know. I I guess I'm still I'm still a little bit 772 00:12:43,829 --> 00:12:43,839 I guess I'm still I'm still a little bit 773 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:45,270 I guess I'm still I'm still a little bit >> You understand that, right? 774 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:45,280 >> You understand that, right? 775 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,910 >> You understand that, right? >> Uh well, I I don't know that so I I 776 00:12:48,910 --> 00:12:48,920 >> Uh well, I I don't know that so I I 777 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,623 >> Uh well, I I don't know that so I I assume 778 00:12:49,623 --> 00:12:49,633 assume 779 00:12:49,633 --> 00:12:50,550 assume >> [laughter] 780 00:12:50,550 --> 00:12:50,560 >> [laughter] 781 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:51,270 >> [laughter] >> Fair enough. 782 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:51,280 >> Fair enough. 783 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,430 >> Fair enough. >> Yeah, the main ones who make money off 784 00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:53,440 >> Yeah, the main ones who make money off 785 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,630 >> Yeah, the main ones who make money off of their channels and their apps and 786 00:12:54,630 --> 00:12:54,640 of their channels and their apps and 787 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:55,870 of their channels and their apps and their whatever the hell they're they're 788 00:12:55,870 --> 00:12:55,880 their whatever the hell they're they're 789 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,350 their whatever the hell they're they're con men. They they know that the Earth 790 00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:57,360 con men. They they know that the Earth 791 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,310 con men. They they know that the Earth isn't flat. 792 00:12:58,310 --> 00:12:58,320 isn't flat. 793 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,790 isn't flat. >> So you think okay. 794 00:12:59,790 --> 00:12:59,800 >> So you think okay. 795 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:00,350 >> So you think okay. >> Yeah. 796 00:13:00,350 --> 00:13:00,360 >> Yeah. 797 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,030 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. 798 00:13:01,030 --> 00:13:01,040 >> Yeah. 799 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,670 >> Yeah. All right. I don't know. That that 800 00:13:03,670 --> 00:13:03,680 All right. I don't know. That that 801 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:04,689 All right. I don't know. That that >> I do. 802 00:13:04,689 --> 00:13:04,699 >> I do. 803 00:13:04,699 --> 00:13:06,230 >> I do. >> [laughter] 804 00:13:06,230 --> 00:13:06,240 >> [laughter] 805 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,270 >> [laughter] >> Okay. I how do you tell? 806 00:13:09,270 --> 00:13:09,280 >> Okay. I how do you tell? 807 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,390 >> Okay. I how do you tell? >> Um I mean it's the the evasiveness and 808 00:13:13,390 --> 00:13:13,400 >> Um I mean it's the the evasiveness and 809 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,910 >> Um I mean it's the the evasiveness and the approach to everything, um 810 00:13:15,910 --> 00:13:15,920 the approach to everything, um 811 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,550 the approach to everything, um you know, and then if you want to get 812 00:13:17,550 --> 00:13:17,560 you know, and then if you want to get 813 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:19,470 you know, and then if you want to get really technical just kind of like body 814 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:19,480 really technical just kind of like body 815 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,670 really technical just kind of like body language analysis and stuff like that. I 816 00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:21,680 language analysis and stuff like that. I 817 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,030 language analysis and stuff like that. I mean it's just it's it's very 818 00:13:24,030 --> 00:13:24,040 mean it's just it's it's very 819 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,070 mean it's just it's it's very transparent to me. I don't know. 820 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:26,080 transparent to me. I don't know. 821 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:26,310 transparent to me. I don't know. You know. 822 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:26,320 You know. 823 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,150 You know. >> Okay. 824 00:13:27,150 --> 00:13:27,160 >> Okay. 825 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,310 >> Okay. Fine. Yeah. 826 00:13:29,310 --> 00:13:29,320 Fine. Yeah. 827 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:30,710 Fine. Yeah. Interesting. 828 00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:30,720 Interesting. 829 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,790 Interesting. So for the people 830 00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:32,800 So for the people 831 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,150 So for the people So [snorts] you think they are grifting 832 00:13:34,150 --> 00:13:34,160 So [snorts] you think they are grifting 833 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,350 So [snorts] you think they are grifting off of people who genuinely do believe 834 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:37,360 off of people who genuinely do believe 835 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,110 off of people who genuinely do believe it. Sure. I mean, there are certainly I 836 00:13:40,110 --> 00:13:40,120 it. Sure. I mean, there are certainly I 837 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,710 it. Sure. I mean, there are certainly I mean, there's no there's no grift 838 00:13:41,710 --> 00:13:41,720 mean, there's no there's no grift 839 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,190 mean, there's no there's no grift without a mark, right? There there there 840 00:13:44,190 --> 00:13:44,200 without a mark, right? There there there 841 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,470 without a mark, right? There there there are a few thousand people who fall for 842 00:13:46,470 --> 00:13:46,480 are a few thousand people who fall for 843 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,190 are a few thousand people who fall for this and then they supply them with a 844 00:13:48,190 --> 00:13:48,200 this and then they supply them with a 845 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,910 this and then they supply them with a very meager income via YouTube revenue 846 00:13:50,910 --> 00:13:50,920 very meager income via YouTube revenue 847 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,470 very meager income via YouTube revenue and then their little super chats and 848 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:52,480 and then their little super chats and 849 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,030 and then their little super chats and then their little conferences and all 850 00:13:54,030 --> 00:13:54,040 then their little conferences and all 851 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,350 then their little conferences and all the ridiculous things that they do. 852 00:13:56,350 --> 00:13:56,360 the ridiculous things that they do. 853 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,110 the ridiculous things that they do. Um yeah, I mean, it's not a super 854 00:13:58,110 --> 00:13:58,120 Um yeah, I mean, it's not a super 855 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,150 Um yeah, I mean, it's not a super lucrative grift. They're just not smart 856 00:14:00,150 --> 00:14:00,160 lucrative grift. They're just not smart 857 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,910 lucrative grift. They're just not smart enough to do a better one. You know, 858 00:14:01,910 --> 00:14:01,920 enough to do a better one. You know, 859 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,990 enough to do a better one. You know, there are there are there are smarter 860 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:04,000 there are there are there are smarter 861 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,750 there are there are there are smarter grifters 862 00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:05,760 grifters 863 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,150 grifters that can that have scientific expertise 864 00:14:09,150 --> 00:14:09,160 that can that have scientific expertise 865 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,430 that can that have scientific expertise with which they can spin a more 866 00:14:12,430 --> 00:14:12,440 with which they can spin a more 867 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,750 with which they can spin a more convincing narrative that can ensnare 868 00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:14,760 convincing narrative that can ensnare 869 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,310 convincing narrative that can ensnare more people. You know, like the 870 00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:16,320 more people. You know, like the 871 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,750 more people. You know, like the Weinstein brothers or something like 872 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:17,760 Weinstein brothers or something like 873 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:18,590 Weinstein brothers or something like that. You know what I mean? They're 874 00:14:18,590 --> 00:14:18,600 that. You know what I mean? They're 875 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,550 that. You know what I mean? They're they're they're also grifters, but 876 00:14:20,550 --> 00:14:20,560 they're they're also grifters, but 877 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,630 they're they're also grifters, but they're smart. Um so they can 878 00:14:23,630 --> 00:14:23,640 they're smart. Um so they can 879 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,470 they're smart. Um so they can you know, pedal a better a better tale 880 00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:26,480 you know, pedal a better a better tale 881 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,990 you know, pedal a better a better tale that can ensnare more people. Flat 882 00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:28,000 that can ensnare more people. Flat 883 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,510 that can ensnare more people. Flat earthers flat earth 884 00:14:29,510 --> 00:14:29,520 earthers flat earth 885 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,790 earthers flat earth priests are they're very dumb. They know 886 00:14:31,790 --> 00:14:31,800 priests are they're very dumb. They know 887 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:32,870 priests are they're very dumb. They know they're lying, but they're also very 888 00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:32,880 they're lying, but they're also very 889 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,470 they're lying, but they're also very dumb. They're not smart enough to to do 890 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:34,480 dumb. They're not smart enough to to do 891 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,470 dumb. They're not smart enough to to do something 892 00:14:35,470 --> 00:14:35,480 something 893 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:36,350 something better. 894 00:14:36,350 --> 00:14:36,360 better. 895 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,950 better. >> Okay. I most grifters in my experience 896 00:14:38,950 --> 00:14:38,960 >> Okay. I most grifters in my experience 897 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,670 >> Okay. I most grifters in my experience switch grifts more rapidly when it stops 898 00:14:42,670 --> 00:14:42,680 switch grifts more rapidly when it stops 899 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,070 switch grifts more rapidly when it stops being lucrative. 900 00:14:44,070 --> 00:14:44,080 being lucrative. 901 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,750 being lucrative. And it seems like the flat earthers are 902 00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:45,760 And it seems like the flat earthers are 903 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,750 And it seems like the flat earthers are pretty dedicated to that one particular 904 00:14:48,750 --> 00:14:48,760 pretty dedicated to that one particular 905 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:49,430 pretty dedicated to that one particular thing. 906 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:49,440 thing. 907 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,310 thing. >> Well, I mean, number one, there's a lot 908 00:14:51,310 --> 00:14:51,320 >> Well, I mean, number one, there's a lot 909 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,910 >> Well, I mean, number one, there's a lot of activation energy to getting a new 910 00:14:52,910 --> 00:14:52,920 of activation energy to getting a new 911 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,790 of activation energy to getting a new grift going. I mean, you have to learn a 912 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:54,800 grift going. I mean, you have to learn a 913 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,590 grift going. I mean, you have to learn a whole new vernacular and get a whole 914 00:14:56,590 --> 00:14:56,600 whole new vernacular and get a whole 915 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,070 whole new vernacular and get a whole like they just have this set of talking 916 00:14:58,070 --> 00:14:58,080 like they just have this set of talking 917 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,710 like they just have this set of talking points that they regurgitate. Oh, we see 918 00:14:59,710 --> 00:14:59,720 points that they regurgitate. Oh, we see 919 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,910 points that they regurgitate. Oh, we see too far, CGI, blah blah blah. Like they 920 00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:01,920 too far, CGI, blah blah blah. Like they 921 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,670 too far, CGI, blah blah blah. Like they just they're they're stupid and they're 922 00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:03,680 just they're they're stupid and they're 923 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,150 just they're they're stupid and they're lazy, right? But also they they do I 924 00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:06,160 lazy, right? But also they they do I 925 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,630 lazy, right? But also they they do I mean, they do they pedal they pedal 926 00:15:08,630 --> 00:15:08,640 mean, they do they pedal they pedal 927 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,790 mean, they do they pedal they pedal anti-vax crap and they sell supplements 928 00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:10,800 anti-vax crap and they sell supplements 929 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,390 anti-vax crap and they sell supplements and they do MAGA, you know, they're MAGA 930 00:15:13,390 --> 00:15:13,400 and they do MAGA, you know, they're MAGA 931 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,470 and they do MAGA, you know, they're MAGA and they're you know, just they they do 932 00:15:15,470 --> 00:15:15,480 and they're you know, just they they do 933 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:16,910 and they're you know, just they they do flirt with other things because they 934 00:15:16,910 --> 00:15:16,920 flirt with other things because they 935 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,950 flirt with other things because they realize that flat earth is not it's not 936 00:15:18,950 --> 00:15:18,960 realize that flat earth is not it's not 937 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,150 realize that flat earth is not it's not a very wide net. You know what I mean? 938 00:15:21,150 --> 00:15:21,160 a very wide net. You know what I mean? 939 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:21,790 a very wide net. You know what I mean? So. 940 00:15:21,790 --> 00:15:21,800 So. 941 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,030 So. >> Yeah, Okay, that's interesting to me. 942 00:15:24,030 --> 00:15:24,040 >> Yeah, Okay, that's interesting to me. 943 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,670 >> Yeah, Okay, that's interesting to me. So, then moving over to the [snorts] 944 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:25,680 So, then moving over to the [snorts] 945 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,750 So, then moving over to the [snorts] Weinstein brothers, perhaps, 946 00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:27,760 Weinstein brothers, perhaps, 947 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:28,430 Weinstein brothers, perhaps, uh 948 00:15:28,430 --> 00:15:28,440 uh 949 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,550 uh do you do you feel like they also know 950 00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:30,560 do you do you feel like they also know 951 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,750 do you do you feel like they also know that they are lying to their Of course. 952 00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:32,760 that they are lying to their Of course. 953 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:33,470 that they are lying to their Of course. audience? 954 00:15:33,470 --> 00:15:33,480 audience? 955 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:33,950 audience? >> Yes. 956 00:15:33,950 --> 00:15:33,960 >> Yes. 957 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:34,470 >> Yes. >> Okay. 958 00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:34,480 >> Okay. 959 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,110 >> Okay. >> Mhm. 960 00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:35,120 >> Mhm. 961 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,950 >> Mhm. >> All right. Your that answer comes more 962 00:15:36,950 --> 00:15:36,960 >> All right. Your that answer comes more 963 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,750 >> All right. Your that answer comes more quickly uh to you than I would expect. 964 00:15:39,750 --> 00:15:39,760 quickly uh to you than I would expect. 965 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,270 quickly uh to you than I would expect. >> Sure. I mean, it's all extremely 966 00:15:41,270 --> 00:15:41,280 >> Sure. I mean, it's all extremely 967 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,630 >> Sure. I mean, it's all extremely calculated. I mean, there's a narcissism 968 00:15:43,630 --> 00:15:43,640 calculated. I mean, there's a narcissism 969 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,350 calculated. I mean, there's a narcissism that could play in that makes them kind 970 00:15:46,350 --> 00:15:46,360 that could play in that makes them kind 971 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,670 that could play in that makes them kind of like 972 00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:47,680 of like 973 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,230 of like sporadically convince themselves that 974 00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:50,240 sporadically convince themselves that 975 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:51,390 sporadically convince themselves that they're in the right or something. But, 976 00:15:51,390 --> 00:15:51,400 they're in the right or something. But, 977 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,190 they're in the right or something. But, I mean, it's it's the the the narratives 978 00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:53,200 I mean, it's it's the the the narratives 979 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,670 I mean, it's it's the the the narratives are so calculated. I mean, Eric 980 00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:55,680 are so calculated. I mean, Eric 981 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,670 are so calculated. I mean, Eric Weinstein is paid by Peter Thiel to spew 982 00:15:58,670 --> 00:15:58,680 Weinstein is paid by Peter Thiel to spew 983 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,230 Weinstein is paid by Peter Thiel to spew horse [\h__\h] on podcasts. That's his 984 00:16:00,230 --> 00:16:00,240 horse [\h__\h] on podcasts. That's his 985 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,630 horse [\h__\h] on podcasts. That's his entire job. He doesn't do anything. He 986 00:16:02,630 --> 00:16:02,640 entire job. He doesn't do anything. He 987 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,270 entire job. He doesn't do anything. He doesn't do anything else. 988 00:16:04,270 --> 00:16:04,280 doesn't do anything else. 989 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,590 doesn't do anything else. Um and just the evasiveness, how 990 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:06,600 Um and just the evasiveness, how 991 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,750 Um and just the evasiveness, how calculated it is, like with this like 992 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:08,760 calculated it is, like with this like 993 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,630 calculated it is, like with this like geometric unity crap. For years and 994 00:16:11,630 --> 00:16:11,640 geometric unity crap. For years and 995 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,750 geometric unity crap. For years and years, he had this approach of like, I 996 00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:14,760 years, he had this approach of like, I 997 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,990 years, he had this approach of like, I released it on April Fools. Academics 998 00:16:16,990 --> 00:16:17,000 released it on April Fools. Academics 999 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,790 released it on April Fools. Academics don't look at it. Nobody pay attention 1000 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:18,800 don't look at it. Nobody pay attention 1001 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,470 don't look at it. Nobody pay attention to it cuz he doesn't want them to look 1002 00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:20,480 to it cuz he doesn't want them to look 1003 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,510 to it cuz he doesn't want them to look at it. He only wants science-literate 1004 00:16:22,510 --> 00:16:22,520 at it. He only wants science-literate 1005 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,270 at it. He only wants science-literate people to look at it and go, "Wow, that 1006 00:16:24,270 --> 00:16:24,280 people to look at it and go, "Wow, that 1007 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,190 people to look at it and go, "Wow, that looks really cool. He's so smart." He 1008 00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:26,200 looks really cool. He's so smart." He 1009 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,950 looks really cool. He's so smart." He goes on podcasts and he says physics 1010 00:16:27,950 --> 00:16:27,960 goes on podcasts and he says physics 1011 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,710 goes on podcasts and he says physics words and he sounds really smart. But, 1012 00:16:29,710 --> 00:16:29,720 words and he sounds really smart. But, 1013 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,630 words and he sounds really smart. But, he could only That could only last a 1014 00:16:31,630 --> 00:16:31,640 he could only That could only last a 1015 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,990 he could only That could only last a couple years. Eventually, academics did 1016 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:34,000 couple years. Eventually, academics did 1017 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,070 couple years. Eventually, academics did look at it and they eviscerated it 1018 00:16:36,070 --> 00:16:36,080 look at it and they eviscerated it 1019 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,470 look at it and they eviscerated it because it's literally nothing. 1020 00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:38,480 because it's literally nothing. 1021 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,910 because it's literally nothing. Um and then it all came to a head and 1022 00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:39,920 Um and then it all came to a head and 1023 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,550 Um and then it all came to a head and then he got humiliated by Sean Carroll 1024 00:16:41,550 --> 00:16:41,560 then he got humiliated by Sean Carroll 1025 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,390 then he got humiliated by Sean Carroll on Piers Morgan and and just like it 1026 00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:44,400 on Piers Morgan and and just like it 1027 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,510 on Piers Morgan and and just like it eventually comes out when academics look 1028 00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:46,520 eventually comes out when academics look 1029 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,829 eventually comes out when academics look at it and go, "This is nothing. You've 1030 00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:48,839 at it and go, "This is nothing. You've 1031 00:16:48,839 --> 00:16:51,390 at it and go, "This is nothing. You've been hiding right on the podcast, why 1032 00:16:51,390 --> 00:16:51,400 been hiding right on the podcast, why 1033 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,630 been hiding right on the podcast, why won't academics look at my work? They're 1034 00:16:53,630 --> 00:16:53,640 won't academics look at my work? They're 1035 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,350 won't academics look at my work? They're phasing me out because they can't handle 1036 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:55,360 phasing me out because they can't handle 1037 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,750 phasing me out because they can't handle my super awesome anti-establishment 1038 00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:57,760 my super awesome anti-establishment 1039 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,150 my super awesome anti-establishment truth of my awesome theory." No, he was 1040 00:17:00,150 --> 00:17:00,160 truth of my awesome theory." No, he was 1041 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,190 truth of my awesome theory." No, he was hiding for as long as possible and then 1042 00:17:03,190 --> 00:17:03,200 hiding for as long as possible and then 1043 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,710 hiding for as long as possible and then he couldn't hide any longer and he got 1044 00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:04,720 he couldn't hide any longer and he got 1045 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,350 he couldn't hide any longer and he got humiliated, so. 1046 00:17:06,350 --> 00:17:06,360 humiliated, so. 1047 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:08,510 humiliated, so. Uh that's his whole thing. That's all he 1048 00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:08,520 Uh that's his whole thing. That's all he 1049 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,750 Uh that's his whole thing. That's all he is. Peter Thiel thinks that it's a 1050 00:17:10,750 --> 00:17:10,760 is. Peter Thiel thinks that it's a 1051 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,069 is. Peter Thiel thinks that it's a thing? 1052 00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:12,079 thing? 1053 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,309 thing? >> No. I mean, I Peter Thiel doesn't care 1054 00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:14,319 >> No. I mean, I Peter Thiel doesn't care 1055 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:15,870 >> No. I mean, I Peter Thiel doesn't care what is or what is is a thing. He's 1056 00:17:15,870 --> 00:17:15,880 what is or what is is a thing. He's 1057 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,829 what is or what is is a thing. He's cares about the very specific brand of 1058 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:17,839 cares about the very specific brand of 1059 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:19,750 cares about the very specific brand of propaganda that he wants to disseminate 1060 00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:19,760 propaganda that he wants to disseminate 1061 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,670 propaganda that he wants to disseminate and which he pays Eric to do and other 1062 00:17:21,670 --> 00:17:21,680 and which he pays Eric to do and other 1063 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,829 and which he pays Eric to do and other figures. 1064 00:17:22,829 --> 00:17:22,839 figures. 1065 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,390 figures. >> And do you think that Brett I didn't 1066 00:17:25,390 --> 00:17:25,400 >> And do you think that Brett I didn't 1067 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:26,510 >> And do you think that Brett I didn't invite you on just to talk about the 1068 00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:26,520 invite you on just to talk about the 1069 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:27,390 invite you on just to talk about the Weinsteins, I promise. 1070 00:17:27,390 --> 00:17:27,400 Weinsteins, I promise. 1071 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,310 Weinsteins, I promise. >> can talk about whoever you want. 1072 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:29,320 >> can talk about whoever you want. 1073 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:29,590 >> can talk about whoever you want. >> Um 1074 00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:29,600 >> Um 1075 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,390 >> Um >> I have long list of people that have to 1076 00:17:31,390 --> 00:17:31,400 >> I have long list of people that have to 1077 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,510 >> I have long list of people that have to be [\h__\h] down. 1078 00:17:32,510 --> 00:17:32,520 be [\h__\h] down. 1079 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,190 be [\h__\h] down. >> Do you think that Brett 1080 00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:34,200 >> Do you think that Brett 1081 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,030 >> Do you think that Brett genuinely in his soul thinks that he is 1082 00:17:37,030 --> 00:17:37,040 genuinely in his soul thinks that he is 1083 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,030 genuinely in his soul thinks that he is a victim of the uh 1084 00:17:40,030 --> 00:17:40,040 a victim of the uh 1085 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:40,270 a victim of the uh >> No. 1086 00:17:40,270 --> 00:17:40,280 >> No. 1087 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,310 >> No. >> diversity system? 1088 00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:41,320 >> diversity system? 1089 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,470 >> diversity system? >> No, the the Evergreen [\h__\h] was very very 1090 00:17:43,470 --> 00:17:43,480 >> No, the the Evergreen [\h__\h] was very very 1091 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,630 >> No, the the Evergreen [\h__\h] was very very very calculated. It was mirroring the 1092 00:17:45,630 --> 00:17:45,640 very calculated. It was mirroring the 1093 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,310 very calculated. It was mirroring the Jordan Peterson rise, right? Uh stir up 1094 00:17:49,310 --> 00:17:49,320 Jordan Peterson rise, right? Uh stir up 1095 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,470 Jordan Peterson rise, right? Uh stir up animosity among the the anti-woke, stir 1096 00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:52,480 animosity among the the anti-woke, stir 1097 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,950 animosity among the the anti-woke, stir up a fever, right? With the with a very 1098 00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:54,960 up a fever, right? With the with a very 1099 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,510 up a fever, right? With the with a very calculated and deliberately fabricated 1100 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:57,520 calculated and deliberately fabricated 1101 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,110 calculated and deliberately fabricated tale, right? Everything about the 1102 00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:59,120 tale, right? Everything about the 1103 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,750 tale, right? Everything about the Evergreen incident was total horse [\h__\h] 1104 00:18:02,750 --> 00:18:02,760 Evergreen incident was total horse [\h__\h] 1105 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,270 Evergreen incident was total horse [\h__\h] Uh there was no there was no demand for 1106 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:05,280 Uh there was no there was no demand for 1107 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,150 Uh there was no there was no demand for white people to leave campus, that's not 1108 00:18:07,150 --> 00:18:07,160 white people to leave campus, that's not 1109 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,110 white people to leave campus, that's not a thing that happened. He went on Fox 1110 00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:09,120 a thing that happened. He went on Fox 1111 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:12,870 a thing that happened. He went on Fox News and he he lied by omission because 1112 00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:12,880 News and he he lied by omission because 1113 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,550 News and he he lied by omission because uh the I think it was Tucker was like, 1114 00:18:15,550 --> 00:18:15,560 uh the I think it was Tucker was like, 1115 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,990 uh the I think it was Tucker was like, "Oh, they're like forcing white people 1116 00:18:16,990 --> 00:18:17,000 "Oh, they're like forcing white people 1117 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,470 "Oh, they're like forcing white people to leave." and he's just like Mhm. No, 1118 00:18:19,470 --> 00:18:19,480 to leave." and he's just like Mhm. No, 1119 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,230 to leave." and he's just like Mhm. No, that definitely never happened. 1120 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:21,240 that definitely never happened. 1121 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,750 that definitely never happened. Um and so it became this darling of uh 1122 00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:23,760 Um and so it became this darling of uh 1123 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,070 Um and so it became this darling of uh the the anti-woke crusaders, much like 1124 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:26,080 the the anti-woke crusaders, much like 1125 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,350 the the anti-woke crusaders, much like Jordan with similarly fabricated aspects 1126 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:29,360 Jordan with similarly fabricated aspects 1127 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:31,190 Jordan with similarly fabricated aspects of the C16. There there was no nobody 1128 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:31,200 of the C16. There there was no nobody 1129 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,670 of the C16. There there was no nobody was at risk of going to jail for 1130 00:18:32,670 --> 00:18:32,680 was at risk of going to jail for 1131 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:33,950 was at risk of going to jail for compelled speech or anything like that. 1132 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:33,960 compelled speech or anything like that. 1133 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,590 compelled speech or anything like that. That's it's not a thing that happened. 1134 00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:35,600 That's it's not a thing that happened. 1135 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:36,310 That's it's not a thing that happened. So 1136 00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:36,320 So 1137 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,230 So and uh it's very deliberately riding 1138 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:38,240 and uh it's very deliberately riding 1139 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,110 and uh it's very deliberately riding this wave uh into into prominence with 1140 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:41,120 this wave uh into into prominence with 1141 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,750 this wave uh into into prominence with to get a platform. Then he has a podcast 1142 00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:43,760 to get a platform. Then he has a podcast 1143 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,110 to get a platform. Then he has a podcast and then he can spew all of this crap 1144 00:18:46,110 --> 00:18:46,120 and then he can spew all of this crap 1145 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:48,870 and then he can spew all of this crap anti-vax crap. Uh he's one of the main 1146 00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:48,880 anti-vax crap. Uh he's one of the main 1147 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,830 anti-vax crap. Uh he's one of the main architects of the Ivermectin thing by 1148 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:51,840 architects of the Ivermectin thing by 1149 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,750 architects of the Ivermectin thing by platforming Pierre Kory and you know Joe 1150 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:53,760 platforming Pierre Kory and you know Joe 1151 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,110 platforming Pierre Kory and you know Joe Joe Rogan obviously would be the number 1152 00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:55,120 Joe Rogan obviously would be the number 1153 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:55,950 Joe Rogan obviously would be the number one 1154 00:18:55,950 --> 00:18:55,960 one 1155 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,150 one uh platformer in that regard, but um he 1156 00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:58,160 uh platformer in that regard, but um he 1157 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,950 uh platformer in that regard, but um he he helped a lot. Yeah. 1158 00:19:00,950 --> 00:19:00,960 he helped a lot. Yeah. 1159 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,910 he helped a lot. Yeah. >> So, do you think there's a common threat 1160 00:19:02,910 --> 00:19:02,920 >> So, do you think there's a common threat 1161 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,390 >> So, do you think there's a common threat like I have a hard time 1162 00:19:05,390 --> 00:19:05,400 like I have a hard time 1163 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,590 like I have a hard time seeing there be a common threat from 1164 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:07,600 seeing there be a common threat from 1165 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,870 seeing there be a common threat from like an intellectual Eric Weinstein who 1166 00:19:09,870 --> 00:19:09,880 like an intellectual Eric Weinstein who 1167 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,030 like an intellectual Eric Weinstein who to It to me to be legitimately smart Uh 1168 00:19:13,030 --> 00:19:13,040 to It to me to be legitimately smart Uh 1169 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,070 to It to me to be legitimately smart Uh and then let's say some of the other 1170 00:19:15,070 --> 00:19:15,080 and then let's say some of the other 1171 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:15,910 and then let's say some of the other people that we were talking about 1172 00:19:15,910 --> 00:19:15,920 people that we were talking about 1173 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,070 people that we were talking about before. I don't even know who that the 1174 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:17,080 before. I don't even know who that the 1175 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,750 before. I don't even know who that the Eric uh flat Earth guy is, but 1176 00:19:18,750 --> 00:19:18,760 Eric uh flat Earth guy is, but 1177 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:19,670 Eric uh flat Earth guy is, but >> Eric Dubay. 1178 00:19:19,670 --> 00:19:19,680 >> Eric Dubay. 1179 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,270 >> Eric Dubay. >> Sure. So I don't I don't know him, so 1180 00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:21,280 >> Sure. So I don't I don't know him, so 1181 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,670 >> Sure. So I don't I don't know him, so I'm I'm willing to to consider that he's 1182 00:19:23,670 --> 00:19:23,680 I'm I'm willing to to consider that he's 1183 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,750 I'm I'm willing to to consider that he's he's genuinely stupid. Um and I 1184 00:19:26,750 --> 00:19:26,760 he's genuinely stupid. Um and I 1185 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:27,670 he's genuinely stupid. Um and I yeah. 1186 00:19:27,670 --> 00:19:27,680 yeah. 1187 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:28,710 yeah. So then 1188 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:28,720 So then 1189 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,070 So then um what is the common thread between 1190 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:31,080 um what is the common thread between 1191 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,950 um what is the common thread between those? Is it just a grift or is there 1192 00:19:33,950 --> 00:19:33,960 those? Is it just a grift or is there 1193 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,390 those? Is it just a grift or is there >> Yeah. Well, no. With that it would just 1194 00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:35,400 >> Yeah. Well, no. With that it would just 1195 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,310 >> Yeah. Well, no. With that it would just be a grift. I mean, you you don't have 1196 00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:37,320 be a grift. I mean, you you don't have 1197 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,990 be a grift. I mean, you you don't have to be like you can be an isolated 1198 00:19:38,990 --> 00:19:39,000 to be like you can be an isolated 1199 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,790 to be like you can be an isolated grifter. You can be just some schmuck 1200 00:19:40,790 --> 00:19:40,800 grifter. You can be just some schmuck 1201 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,990 grifter. You can be just some schmuck lying on the internet for money. Um and 1202 00:19:42,990 --> 00:19:43,000 lying on the internet for money. Um and 1203 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,150 lying on the internet for money. Um and that's what flat-Earthers are, right? 1204 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:44,160 that's what flat-Earthers are, right? 1205 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,550 that's what flat-Earthers are, right? They're they're they're they're not 1206 00:19:45,550 --> 00:19:45,560 They're they're they're they're not 1207 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,310 They're they're they're they're not institutionalized. They're not backed by 1208 00:19:47,310 --> 00:19:47,320 institutionalized. They're not backed by 1209 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,870 institutionalized. They're not backed by anything, right? 1210 00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:48,880 anything, right? 1211 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,270 anything, right? You have you have uh very deliberate uh 1212 00:19:52,270 --> 00:19:52,280 You have you have uh very deliberate uh 1213 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,510 You have you have uh very deliberate uh propaganda campaigns coming from 1214 00:19:54,510 --> 00:19:54,520 propaganda campaigns coming from 1215 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,230 propaganda campaigns coming from powerful entities. Be they institutions 1216 00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:57,240 powerful entities. Be they institutions 1217 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,790 powerful entities. Be they institutions or specific oligarchs in the case of 1218 00:19:58,790 --> 00:19:58,800 or specific oligarchs in the case of 1219 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,990 or specific oligarchs in the case of Peter Thiel. That's very insidi- 1220 00:20:00,990 --> 00:20:01,000 Peter Thiel. That's very insidi- 1221 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,990 Peter Thiel. That's very insidi- insidious and very well well-crafted. 1222 00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:04,000 insidious and very well well-crafted. 1223 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,710 insidious and very well well-crafted. And we're and very intelligently 1224 00:20:05,710 --> 00:20:05,720 And we're and very intelligently 1225 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,510 And we're and very intelligently disseminated, right? The Weinsteins are 1226 00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:07,520 disseminated, right? The Weinsteins are 1227 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,910 disseminated, right? The Weinsteins are pretty smart guys. Um so the only thread 1228 00:20:10,910 --> 00:20:10,920 pretty smart guys. Um so the only thread 1229 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,230 pretty smart guys. Um so the only thread there is the the only connectivity there 1230 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:13,240 there is the the only connectivity there 1231 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,550 there is the the only connectivity there is lying. 1232 00:20:14,550 --> 00:20:14,560 is lying. 1233 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,710 is lying. That would be the connectivity. Right? 1234 00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:15,720 That would be the connectivity. Right? 1235 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,590 That would be the connectivity. Right? Nobody's propping up Eric Dubay. He's 1236 00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:17,600 Nobody's propping up Eric Dubay. He's 1237 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,950 Nobody's propping up Eric Dubay. He's just some jerk with a YouTube channel. 1238 00:20:19,950 --> 00:20:19,960 just some jerk with a YouTube channel. 1239 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,030 just some jerk with a YouTube channel. Uh Eric is and you know, I don't want to 1240 00:20:22,030 --> 00:20:22,040 Uh Eric is and you know, I don't want to 1241 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,430 Uh Eric is and you know, I don't want to fixate on the Weinsteins, but many many 1242 00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:23,440 fixate on the Weinsteins, but many many 1243 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,030 fixate on the Weinsteins, but many many of these figures who are there come from 1244 00:20:25,030 --> 00:20:25,040 of these figures who are there come from 1245 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,950 of these figures who are there come from very well-funded sources, whether it's 1246 00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:26,960 very well-funded sources, whether it's 1247 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,470 very well-funded sources, whether it's Christian nationalists in the case of 1248 00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:28,480 Christian nationalists in the case of 1249 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,550 Christian nationalists in the case of Discovery Institute or but there there's 1250 00:20:30,550 --> 00:20:30,560 Discovery Institute or but there there's 1251 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,350 Discovery Institute or but there there's also through-line there, too, right? The 1252 00:20:32,350 --> 00:20:32,360 also through-line there, too, right? The 1253 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:34,470 also through-line there, too, right? The the oligarchy is propping up Christian 1254 00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:34,480 the oligarchy is propping up Christian 1255 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,670 the oligarchy is propping up Christian nationalism as well, right? Anything 1256 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:36,680 nationalism as well, right? Anything 1257 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,190 nationalism as well, right? Anything that can uh anything that can aim 1258 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:39,200 that can uh anything that can aim 1259 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,310 that can uh anything that can aim towards authoritarianism is in the best 1260 00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:41,320 towards authoritarianism is in the best 1261 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,670 towards authoritarianism is in the best interest of those in power. So that's 1262 00:20:43,670 --> 00:20:43,680 interest of those in power. So that's 1263 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,159 interest of those in power. So that's the uniting thing there. 1264 00:20:45,159 --> 00:20:45,169 the uniting thing there. 1265 00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:45,190 the uniting thing there. >> [snorts] 1266 00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:45,200 >> [snorts] 1267 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,670 >> [snorts] >> It seems like the people who follow 1268 00:20:46,670 --> 00:20:46,680 >> It seems like the people who follow 1269 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,630 >> It seems like the people who follow these uh frequently follow each other. 1270 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:48,640 these uh frequently follow each other. 1271 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,310 these uh frequently follow each other. Like the if you're into flat Earth, 1272 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:50,320 Like the if you're into flat Earth, 1273 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,870 Like the if you're into flat Earth, you're probably into creationism. You're 1274 00:20:51,870 --> 00:20:51,880 you're probably into creationism. You're 1275 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,430 you're probably into creationism. You're probably into anti-vax. And you probably 1276 00:20:54,430 --> 00:20:54,440 probably into anti-vax. And you probably 1277 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,110 probably into anti-vax. And you probably have as your intellectual heroes the 1278 00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:57,120 have as your intellectual heroes the 1279 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:58,870 have as your intellectual heroes the Weinsteins and and others. 1280 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:58,880 Weinsteins and and others. 1281 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,150 Weinsteins and and others. Uh Jordan Peterson, uh Joe Rogan. 1282 00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:02,160 Uh Jordan Peterson, uh Joe Rogan. 1283 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:02,470 Uh Jordan Peterson, uh Joe Rogan. >> Mhm. 1284 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:02,480 >> Mhm. 1285 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,430 >> Mhm. >> So then like what do you what do you 1286 00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:04,440 >> So then like what do you what do you 1287 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,790 >> So then like what do you what do you think the the through-line is for for 1288 00:21:07,790 --> 00:21:07,800 think the the through-line is for for 1289 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,110 think the the through-line is for for that like 1290 00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:09,120 that like 1291 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,590 that like is there something different about their 1292 00:21:10,590 --> 00:21:10,600 is there something different about their 1293 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,870 is there something different about their brains 1294 00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:11,880 brains 1295 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,430 brains that make them latch onto all of those 1296 00:21:14,430 --> 00:21:14,440 that make them latch onto all of those 1297 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:15,590 that make them latch onto all of those things? 1298 00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:15,600 things? 1299 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,950 things? >> Yeah, I mean to be clear flat Earth is 1300 00:21:17,950 --> 00:21:17,960 >> Yeah, I mean to be clear flat Earth is 1301 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,870 >> Yeah, I mean to be clear flat Earth is the is unique in that it's the bottom of 1302 00:21:19,870 --> 00:21:19,880 the is unique in that it's the bottom of 1303 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,150 the is unique in that it's the bottom of the barrel. So yeah, every flat earther 1304 00:21:22,150 --> 00:21:22,160 the barrel. So yeah, every flat earther 1305 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,710 the barrel. So yeah, every flat earther is an anti-vaxxer and a climate change I 1306 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:24,720 is an anti-vaxxer and a climate change I 1307 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:25,510 is an anti-vaxxer and a climate change I mean 1308 00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:25,520 mean 1309 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,350 mean there if you if you're a flat earther 1310 00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:27,360 there if you if you're a flat earther 1311 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:29,230 there if you if you're a flat earther you didn't you fall for literally every 1312 00:21:29,230 --> 00:21:29,240 you didn't you fall for literally every 1313 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,950 you didn't you fall for literally every single anti-science hoax. 1314 00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:30,960 single anti-science hoax. 1315 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,270 single anti-science hoax. It's just you there's no such thing as a 1316 00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:33,280 It's just you there's no such thing as a 1317 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,990 It's just you there's no such thing as a flat earther that is pro-vaccine. That 1318 00:21:34,990 --> 00:21:35,000 flat earther that is pro-vaccine. That 1319 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,910 flat earther that is pro-vaccine. That doesn't exist. But you can certainly be 1320 00:21:36,910 --> 00:21:36,920 doesn't exist. But you can certainly be 1321 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,350 doesn't exist. But you can certainly be an anti-vaxxer and not you can be an 1322 00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:39,360 an anti-vaxxer and not you can be an 1323 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,230 an anti-vaxxer and not you can be an anti-vaxxer and not obviously not a flat 1324 00:21:41,230 --> 00:21:41,240 anti-vaxxer and not obviously not a flat 1325 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,750 anti-vaxxer and not obviously not a flat earther but not a creationist not a 1326 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:43,760 earther but not a creationist not a 1327 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,830 earther but not a creationist not a climate change denier, right? Um it 1328 00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:45,840 climate change denier, right? Um it 1329 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,550 climate change denier, right? Um it depends how because the the a lot of 1330 00:21:49,550 --> 00:21:49,560 depends how because the the a lot of 1331 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,430 depends how because the the a lot of anti-vax propaganda these days is very 1332 00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:51,440 anti-vax propaganda these days is very 1333 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,510 anti-vax propaganda these days is very very very well well crafted 1334 00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:53,520 very very well well crafted 1335 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,070 very very well well crafted and can be convincing to those that 1336 00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:55,080 and can be convincing to those that 1337 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,630 and can be convincing to those that don't have this niche um 1338 00:21:57,630 --> 00:21:57,640 don't have this niche um 1339 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:58,990 don't have this niche um understanding. 1340 00:21:58,990 --> 00:21:59,000 understanding. 1341 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,750 understanding. But I'm so sorry I forgot the question 1342 00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:00,760 But I'm so sorry I forgot the question 1343 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,630 But I'm so sorry I forgot the question now at this point. 1344 00:22:01,630 --> 00:22:01,640 now at this point. 1345 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,670 now at this point. >> What do you think the through line is 1346 00:22:02,670 --> 00:22:02,680 >> What do you think the through line is 1347 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,150 >> What do you think the through line is for the followers? 1348 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:04,160 for the followers? 1349 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,110 for the followers? >> Oh yeah yeah. part. So there's 1350 00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:06,120 >> Oh yeah yeah. part. So there's 1351 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,350 >> Oh yeah yeah. part. So there's definitely I mean people who fall for 1352 00:22:08,350 --> 00:22:08,360 definitely I mean people who fall for 1353 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:09,910 definitely I mean people who fall for these narratives have a very very strong 1354 00:22:09,910 --> 00:22:09,920 these narratives have a very very strong 1355 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,030 these narratives have a very very strong anti-establishment bias 1356 00:22:12,030 --> 00:22:12,040 anti-establishment bias 1357 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,750 anti-establishment bias such that all you need to go is here's 1358 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:14,760 such that all you need to go is here's 1359 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,510 such that all you need to go is here's the hot truth that big pharma doesn't 1360 00:22:16,510 --> 00:22:16,520 the hot truth that big pharma doesn't 1361 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:17,950 the hot truth that big pharma doesn't want you to know or that the government 1362 00:22:17,950 --> 00:22:17,960 want you to know or that the government 1363 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,230 want you to know or that the government doesn't want you to know or that the 1364 00:22:19,230 --> 00:22:19,240 doesn't want you to know or that the 1365 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,830 doesn't want you to know or that the blah blah blah blah whatever doesn't 1366 00:22:20,830 --> 00:22:20,840 blah blah blah blah whatever doesn't 1367 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,790 blah blah blah blah whatever doesn't want you to know which is 1368 00:22:22,790 --> 00:22:22,800 want you to know which is 1369 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,270 want you to know which is which is so easy to pedal because you 1370 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:25,280 which is so easy to pedal because you 1371 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,710 which is so easy to pedal because you have all of these different sectors 1372 00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:26,720 have all of these different sectors 1373 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,630 have all of these different sectors where you have the government and you 1374 00:22:27,630 --> 00:22:27,640 where you have the government and you 1375 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,790 where you have the government and you have the private sector which are 1376 00:22:29,790 --> 00:22:29,800 have the private sector which are 1377 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,270 have the private sector which are directly opposing in in certain ways and 1378 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:32,280 directly opposing in in certain ways and 1379 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,270 directly opposing in in certain ways and so you have your pick, right? 1380 00:22:34,270 --> 00:22:34,280 so you have your pick, right? 1381 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,270 so you have your pick, right? Government bad so believe my story easy. 1382 00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:37,280 Government bad so believe my story easy. 1383 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,950 Government bad so believe my story easy. Uh you know big whatever bad so believe 1384 00:22:39,950 --> 00:22:39,960 Uh you know big whatever bad so believe 1385 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,670 Uh you know big whatever bad so believe my story it's a very easy emotional hook 1386 00:22:43,670 --> 00:22:43,680 my story it's a very easy emotional hook 1387 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,070 my story it's a very easy emotional hook and then if you're then if you have very 1388 00:22:45,070 --> 00:22:45,080 and then if you're then if you have very 1389 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,390 and then if you're then if you have very sophisticated rhetoric which a lot of 1390 00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:47,400 sophisticated rhetoric which a lot of 1391 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,390 sophisticated rhetoric which a lot of these charlatans do such that you need 1392 00:22:49,390 --> 00:22:49,400 these charlatans do such that you need 1393 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,830 these charlatans do such that you need to be able to read primary scientific 1394 00:22:50,830 --> 00:22:50,840 to be able to read primary scientific 1395 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,910 to be able to read primary scientific literature to disprove them 1396 00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:52,920 literature to disprove them 1397 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,310 literature to disprove them then that's going to that's going to 1398 00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:55,320 then that's going to that's going to 1399 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,150 then that's going to that's going to ring true with a lot of people who who 1400 00:22:57,150 --> 00:22:57,160 ring true with a lot of people who who 1401 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,470 ring true with a lot of people who who maybe don't even maybe aren't even dumb 1402 00:22:59,470 --> 00:22:59,480 maybe don't even maybe aren't even dumb 1403 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,350 maybe don't even maybe aren't even dumb or it's not that it's not that everybody 1404 00:23:01,350 --> 00:23:01,360 or it's not that it's not that everybody 1405 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,150 or it's not that it's not that everybody who falls for this stuff is dumb 1406 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:04,160 who falls for this stuff is dumb 1407 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,870 who falls for this stuff is dumb because a lot of it is very very 1408 00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:05,880 because a lot of it is very very 1409 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,670 because a lot of it is very very sophisticated. Um 1410 00:23:07,670 --> 00:23:07,680 sophisticated. Um 1411 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,910 sophisticated. Um And so, yeah, it's just 1412 00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:09,920 And so, yeah, it's just 1413 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,950 And so, yeah, it's just all of these narratives have the 1414 00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:10,960 all of these narratives have the 1415 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,870 all of these narratives have the emotional hook of I'm Luke Skywalker 1416 00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:12,880 emotional hook of I'm Luke Skywalker 1417 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,950 emotional hook of I'm Luke Skywalker battling the Death Star, right? I'm the 1418 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:14,960 battling the Death Star, right? I'm the 1419 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,030 battling the Death Star, right? I'm the whistleblower truth-teller that's 1420 00:23:17,030 --> 00:23:17,040 whistleblower truth-teller that's 1421 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,110 whistleblower truth-teller that's telling you the truth on the podcast 1422 00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:19,120 telling you the truth on the podcast 1423 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:20,470 telling you the truth on the podcast that they're trying to censor. The 1424 00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:20,480 that they're trying to censor. The 1425 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,110 that they're trying to censor. The stupid jerks are trying to censor us, 1426 00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:22,120 stupid jerks are trying to censor us, 1427 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,030 stupid jerks are trying to censor us, but they can't cuz we're This is where 1428 00:23:24,030 --> 00:23:24,040 but they can't cuz we're This is where 1429 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,990 but they can't cuz we're This is where we tell the truth here. This That's Joe 1430 00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:26,000 we tell the truth here. This That's Joe 1431 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,790 we tell the truth here. This That's Joe Rogan in a nutshell. When he just 1432 00:23:27,790 --> 00:23:27,800 Rogan in a nutshell. When he just 1433 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,110 Rogan in a nutshell. When he just platforms fraud after fraud after fraud 1434 00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:30,120 platforms fraud after fraud after fraud 1435 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,430 platforms fraud after fraud after fraud after fraud. I mean, anti-vax, you know, 1436 00:23:32,430 --> 00:23:32,440 after fraud. I mean, anti-vax, you know, 1437 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,710 after fraud. I mean, anti-vax, you know, vaccine hesitancy has gone has ballooned 1438 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:34,720 vaccine hesitancy has gone has ballooned 1439 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,270 vaccine hesitancy has gone has ballooned completely out of control because of how 1440 00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:37,280 completely out of control because of how 1441 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,630 completely out of control because of how mainstream so many of these narratives 1442 00:23:39,630 --> 00:23:39,640 mainstream so many of these narratives 1443 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,870 mainstream so many of these narratives have become in terms of certain vaccines 1444 00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:41,880 have become in terms of certain vaccines 1445 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,630 have become in terms of certain vaccines being harmful, vaccines causing autism, 1446 00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:44,640 being harmful, vaccines causing autism, 1447 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,710 being harmful, vaccines causing autism, stuff like COVID lab leak, like all of 1448 00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:46,720 stuff like COVID lab leak, like all of 1449 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,550 stuff like COVID lab leak, like all of these are very very well-executed 1450 00:23:48,550 --> 00:23:48,560 these are very very well-executed 1451 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,310 these are very very well-executed propaganda campaigns 1452 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:50,320 propaganda campaigns 1453 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,750 propaganda campaigns that are disseminated on all what we 1454 00:23:52,750 --> 00:23:52,760 that are disseminated on all what we 1455 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,550 that are disseminated on all what we would have called alternative media in 1456 00:23:54,550 --> 00:23:54,560 would have called alternative media in 1457 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,950 would have called alternative media in the past 1458 00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:55,960 the past 1459 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,670 the past in the podcast space, which let's be 1460 00:23:57,670 --> 00:23:57,680 in the podcast space, which let's be 1461 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,230 in the podcast space, which let's be honest now is the primary method by 1462 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:00,240 honest now is the primary method by 1463 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,950 honest now is the primary method by which this sort of information is going 1464 00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:01,960 which this sort of information is going 1465 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,550 which this sort of information is going to spread to the to the common to the 1466 00:24:03,550 --> 00:24:03,560 to spread to the to the common to the 1467 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,950 to spread to the to the common to the general public 1468 00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:04,960 general public 1469 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,350 general public cuz they're not watching the news as 1470 00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:06,360 cuz they're not watching the news as 1471 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:07,870 cuz they're not watching the news as much. They're listening to podcasts and 1472 00:24:07,870 --> 00:24:07,880 much. They're listening to podcasts and 1473 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,150 much. They're listening to podcasts and things like that. So 1474 00:24:09,150 --> 00:24:09,160 things like that. So 1475 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,350 things like that. So >> Real quick, just as a side note, when 1476 00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:11,360 >> Real quick, just as a side note, when 1477 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,590 >> Real quick, just as a side note, when you say lab leak, you mean that you you 1478 00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:13,600 you say lab leak, you mean that you you 1479 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,790 you say lab leak, you mean that you you believe that the that COVID did not come 1480 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:15,800 believe that the that COVID did not come 1481 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,950 believe that the that COVID did not come from 1482 00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:16,960 from 1483 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,390 from a leak? 1484 00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:17,400 a leak? 1485 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,670 a leak? >> No. Zoonotic 1486 00:24:18,670 --> 00:24:18,680 >> No. Zoonotic 1487 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:18,990 >> No. Zoonotic >> Okay. 1488 00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:19,000 >> Okay. 1489 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,270 >> Okay. >> All of the evidence confirms zoonotic 1490 00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:21,280 >> All of the evidence confirms zoonotic 1491 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,590 >> All of the evidence confirms zoonotic transmission. And the and the the 1492 00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:23,600 transmission. And the and the the 1493 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,990 transmission. And the and the the majority of people at this point don't 1494 00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:26,000 majority of people at this point don't 1495 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,310 majority of people at this point don't know that is the result of several 1496 00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:28,320 know that is the result of several 1497 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,270 know that is the result of several stages of a very well-executed 1498 00:24:30,270 --> 00:24:30,280 stages of a very well-executed 1499 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,270 stages of a very well-executed propaganda campaign. Started with Steve 1500 00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:32,280 propaganda campaign. Started with Steve 1501 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,590 propaganda campaign. Started with Steve Bannon, and then there were multiple 1502 00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:33,600 Bannon, and then there were multiple 1503 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,150 Bannon, and then there were multiple phases after that. 1504 00:24:35,150 --> 00:24:35,160 phases after that. 1505 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,470 phases after that. I have did a very long 2-hour video 1506 00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:37,480 I have did a very long 2-hour video 1507 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,790 I have did a very long 2-hour video breaking down every all of the minutia 1508 00:24:39,790 --> 00:24:39,800 breaking down every all of the minutia 1509 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,230 breaking down every all of the minutia of this propaganda campaign. 1510 00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:41,240 of this propaganda campaign. 1511 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,310 of this propaganda campaign. >> Yeah, I'll check it out. 1512 00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:42,320 >> Yeah, I'll check it out. 1513 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,310 >> Yeah, I'll check it out. >> Okay. 1514 00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:43,320 >> Okay. 1515 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,310 >> Okay. Um 1516 00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:44,320 Um 1517 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,310 Um Crap, there was that was supposed to be 1518 00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:46,320 Crap, there was that was supposed to be 1519 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,510 Crap, there was that was supposed to be a side thing. 1520 00:24:48,510 --> 00:24:48,520 a side thing. 1521 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,470 a side thing. I don't remember what the other uh 1522 00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:50,480 I don't remember what the other uh 1523 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,630 I don't remember what the other uh >> We were talking about the mentality of 1524 00:24:51,630 --> 00:24:51,640 >> We were talking about the mentality of 1525 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,710 >> We were talking about the mentality of the people who 1526 00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:52,720 the people who 1527 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,750 the people who >> fall for this stuff. Or that was the 1528 00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:53,760 >> fall for this stuff. Or that was the 1529 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,870 >> fall for this stuff. Or that was the last thing we were talking about. 1530 00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:54,880 last thing we were talking about. 1531 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,027 last thing we were talking about. >> Yeah. 1532 00:24:56,027 --> 00:24:56,037 >> Yeah. 1533 00:24:56,037 --> 00:24:56,190 >> Yeah. >> [snorts] 1534 00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:56,200 >> [snorts] 1535 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,950 >> [snorts] >> I don't know. Have you ever been part of 1536 00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:57,960 >> I don't know. Have you ever been part of 1537 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,070 >> I don't know. Have you ever been part of a group that you now think is 1538 00:25:00,070 --> 00:25:00,080 a group that you now think is 1539 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,630 a group that you now think is ridiculous? 1540 00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:02,640 ridiculous? 1541 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,390 ridiculous? >> Uh 1542 00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:05,400 >> Uh 1543 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,817 >> Uh I can't think of one. No. 1544 00:25:07,817 --> 00:25:07,827 I can't think of one. No. 1545 00:25:07,827 --> 00:25:07,990 I can't think of one. No. >> [laughter] 1546 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:08,000 >> [laughter] 1547 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,670 >> [laughter] >> Yeah. So, you were you were never a 1548 00:25:09,670 --> 00:25:09,680 >> Yeah. So, you were you were never a 1549 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,870 >> Yeah. So, you were you were never a Christian. 1550 00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:10,880 Christian. 1551 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,030 Christian. >> No, I've never been religious ever for a 1552 00:25:13,030 --> 00:25:13,040 >> No, I've never been religious ever for a 1553 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,470 >> No, I've never been religious ever for a single moment in my whole life. 1554 00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:14,480 single moment in my whole life. 1555 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,990 single moment in my whole life. >> Okay. Yeah. 1556 00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:16,000 >> Okay. Yeah. 1557 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,990 >> Okay. Yeah. So, I I I was for a long long time. Uh 1558 00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:19,000 So, I I I was for a long long time. Uh 1559 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,710 So, I I I was for a long long time. Uh and uh 1560 00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:20,720 and uh 1561 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,470 and uh it for me it's troubling 1562 00:25:23,470 --> 00:25:23,480 it for me it's troubling 1563 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,990 it for me it's troubling and I apologize, I'm getting over a cold 1564 00:25:24,990 --> 00:25:25,000 and I apologize, I'm getting over a cold 1565 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,390 and I apologize, I'm getting over a cold and my face is just exploding this 1566 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:26,400 and my face is just exploding this 1567 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,430 and my face is just exploding this morning. Um 1568 00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:28,440 morning. Um 1569 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,150 morning. Um I find it troubling how 1570 00:25:31,150 --> 00:25:31,160 I find it troubling how 1571 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,110 I find it troubling how uh not different I feel now than before 1572 00:25:34,110 --> 00:25:34,120 uh not different I feel now than before 1573 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,350 uh not different I feel now than before and how little I can relate to before 1574 00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:36,360 and how little I can relate to before 1575 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,990 and how little I can relate to before me. And so, that whole thing is is 1576 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:39,000 me. And so, that whole thing is is 1577 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,670 me. And so, that whole thing is is intriguing to me. Like, I didn't have a 1578 00:25:40,670 --> 00:25:40,680 intriguing to me. Like, I didn't have a 1579 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,550 intriguing to me. Like, I didn't have a jump in IQ or anything. Um but suddenly 1580 00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:44,560 jump in IQ or anything. Um but suddenly 1581 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,390 jump in IQ or anything. Um but suddenly it just became extremely not 1582 00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:48,400 it just became extremely not 1583 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,910 it just became extremely not uh compelling to me. 1584 00:25:49,910 --> 00:25:49,920 uh compelling to me. 1585 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,590 uh compelling to me. >> Yeah. 1586 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:50,600 >> Yeah. 1587 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,150 >> Yeah. >> And it now seems ridiculous to me. And 1588 00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:53,160 >> And it now seems ridiculous to me. And 1589 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,950 >> And it now seems ridiculous to me. And so, that 1590 00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:54,960 so, that 1591 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,110 so, that the line between that is an enigma for 1592 00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:57,120 the line between that is an enigma for 1593 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,630 the line between that is an enigma for me because I I want to assume that just 1594 00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:59,640 me because I I want to assume that just 1595 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,150 me because I I want to assume that just because someone thinks something as 1596 00:26:01,150 --> 00:26:01,160 because someone thinks something as 1597 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,790 because someone thinks something as stupid as what I used to think, uh that 1598 00:26:03,790 --> 00:26:03,800 stupid as what I used to think, uh that 1599 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,030 stupid as what I used to think, uh that doesn't necessarily mean that they're 1600 00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:05,040 doesn't necessarily mean that they're 1601 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,750 doesn't necessarily mean that they're stupid. But also, I have a hard time 1602 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:06,760 stupid. But also, I have a hard time 1603 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,910 stupid. But also, I have a hard time reconciling that. 1604 00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:07,920 reconciling that. 1605 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,990 reconciling that. >> No, that's the power of indoctrination 1606 00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:10,000 >> No, that's the power of indoctrination 1607 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,350 >> No, that's the power of indoctrination and especially for children, right? I 1608 00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:11,360 and especially for children, right? I 1609 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:12,670 and especially for children, right? I mean, if you're brought up a certain 1610 00:26:12,670 --> 00:26:12,680 mean, if you're brought up a certain 1611 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,390 mean, if you're brought up a certain way, it's very hard to shed the default 1612 00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:14,400 way, it's very hard to shed the default 1613 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,830 way, it's very hard to shed the default worldview that was handed to you. Um 1614 00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:16,840 worldview that was handed to you. Um 1615 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,470 worldview that was handed to you. Um intelligent people that were 1616 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:18,480 intelligent people that were 1617 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,950 intelligent people that were indoctrinated often shed it as early as 1618 00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:20,960 indoctrinated often shed it as early as 1619 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,830 indoctrinated often shed it as early as 10 years old, you know? Or they go like, 1620 00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:22,840 10 years old, you know? Or they go like, 1621 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,310 10 years old, you know? Or they go like, oh, oh, yeah. No, this is really dumb. 1622 00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:25,320 oh, oh, yeah. No, this is really dumb. 1623 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,630 oh, oh, yeah. No, this is really dumb. Um some people takes longer, maybe 1624 00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:27,640 Um some people takes longer, maybe 1625 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,310 Um some people takes longer, maybe they're 20s. Uh some people never get 1626 00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:29,320 they're 20s. Uh some people never get 1627 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,870 they're 20s. Uh some people never get out of it. Um 1628 00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:30,880 out of it. Um 1629 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,750 out of it. Um but sure, I mean, there are very very 1630 00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:32,760 but sure, I mean, there are very very 1631 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,470 but sure, I mean, there are very very intelligent people that were that have 1632 00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:34,480 intelligent people that were that have 1633 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,750 intelligent people that were that have been indoctrinated by religion and uh 1634 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:36,760 been indoctrinated by religion and uh 1635 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,550 been indoctrinated by religion and uh we're seeing that indoctrination with a 1636 00:26:38,550 --> 00:26:38,560 we're seeing that indoctrination with a 1637 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,070 we're seeing that indoctrination with a lot of secular topics uh these days 1638 00:26:41,070 --> 00:26:41,080 lot of secular topics uh these days 1639 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,070 lot of secular topics uh these days through the podcast space. Um 1640 00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:43,080 through the podcast space. Um 1641 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,430 through the podcast space. Um It's a very similar it's a very similar 1642 00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:44,440 It's a very similar it's a very similar 1643 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,150 It's a very similar it's a very similar mentality, you know? 1644 00:26:46,150 --> 00:26:46,160 mentality, you know? 1645 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,550 mentality, you know? >> Yeah. I um honestly see some some people 1646 00:26:49,550 --> 00:26:49,560 >> Yeah. I um honestly see some some people 1647 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,110 >> Yeah. I um honestly see some some people going the opposite direction though, 1648 00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:51,120 going the opposite direction though, 1649 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,670 going the opposite direction though, too. And that's weird to me. Like it 1650 00:26:53,670 --> 00:26:53,680 too. And that's weird to me. Like it 1651 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,750 too. And that's weird to me. Like it like how does how does a 1652 00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:55,760 like how does how does a 1653 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,350 like how does how does a intelligent person who's not been 1654 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:57,360 intelligent person who's not been 1655 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,710 intelligent person who's not been indoctrinated since childhood suddenly 1656 00:26:59,710 --> 00:26:59,720 indoctrinated since childhood suddenly 1657 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,830 indoctrinated since childhood suddenly fall into 1658 00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:01,840 fall into 1659 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,390 fall into something that seems ridiculous? 1660 00:27:03,390 --> 00:27:03,400 something that seems ridiculous? 1661 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,270 something that seems ridiculous? >> Religion specifically or or other I I'll 1662 00:27:06,270 --> 00:27:06,280 >> Religion specifically or or other I I'll 1663 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,790 >> Religion specifically or or other I I'll I'll take anything. Anything in that 1664 00:27:07,790 --> 00:27:07,800 I'll take anything. Anything in that 1665 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,510 I'll take anything. Anything in that category. 1666 00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:08,520 category. 1667 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,310 category. >> Yeah, I I don't think too many people go 1668 00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:11,320 >> Yeah, I I don't think too many people go 1669 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,790 >> Yeah, I I don't think too many people go from being secular to highly religious. 1670 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:14,800 from being secular to highly religious. 1671 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,310 from being secular to highly religious. It It happens, but usually it's based 1672 00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:17,320 It It happens, but usually it's based 1673 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,070 It It happens, but usually it's based around a traumatic event or something or 1674 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:20,080 around a traumatic event or something or 1675 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,790 around a traumatic event or something or maybe [clears throat] 1676 00:27:20,790 --> 00:27:20,800 maybe [clears throat] 1677 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,310 maybe [clears throat] some struggling with addiction and then 1678 00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:22,320 some struggling with addiction and then 1679 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,430 some struggling with addiction and then they 1680 00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:23,440 they 1681 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,390 they go you know, do the AA thing and stuff 1682 00:27:25,390 --> 00:27:25,400 go you know, do the AA thing and stuff 1683 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,950 go you know, do the AA thing and stuff like that. Um 1684 00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:26,960 like that. Um 1685 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,150 like that. Um so probably that. But then but but 1686 00:27:29,150 --> 00:27:29,160 so probably that. But then but but 1687 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,950 so probably that. But then but but honestly for yeah, people who are 1688 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:30,960 honestly for yeah, people who are 1689 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,630 honestly for yeah, people who are rational and science-based like there 1690 00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:32,640 rational and science-based like there 1691 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,830 rational and science-based like there are people in the scientific community 1692 00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:35,840 are people in the scientific community 1693 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,830 are people in the scientific community that fall for some of these traps and it 1694 00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:39,840 that fall for some of these traps and it 1695 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,150 that fall for some of these traps and it it really is just because of how 1696 00:27:42,150 --> 00:27:42,160 it really is just because of how 1697 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,190 it really is just because of how convincing and how well-constructed this 1698 00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:44,200 convincing and how well-constructed this 1699 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,430 convincing and how well-constructed this anti-science propaganda is. We it's 1700 00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:46,440 anti-science propaganda is. We it's 1701 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,950 anti-science propaganda is. We it's really it's the best it's ever been, 1702 00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:48,960 really it's the best it's ever been, 1703 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,630 really it's the best it's ever been, which is why science denial is the 1704 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:50,640 which is why science denial is the 1705 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,430 which is why science denial is the highest it's ever been among the general 1706 00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:52,440 highest it's ever been among the general 1707 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,110 highest it's ever been among the general public because you have these very very 1708 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:55,120 public because you have these very very 1709 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,750 public because you have these very very well-funded propaganda campaigns that 1710 00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:57,760 well-funded propaganda campaigns that 1711 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,550 well-funded propaganda campaigns that are that are convincing and are making 1712 00:27:59,550 --> 00:27:59,560 are that are convincing and are making 1713 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,950 are that are convincing and are making the rounds on all right it it goes 1714 00:28:01,950 --> 00:28:01,960 the rounds on all right it it goes 1715 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,790 the rounds on all right it it goes tandem with the podcast space, right? 1716 00:28:03,790 --> 00:28:03,800 tandem with the podcast space, right? 1717 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,030 tandem with the podcast space, right? The podcast space has been polarized 1718 00:28:06,030 --> 00:28:06,040 The podcast space has been polarized 1719 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,950 The podcast space has been polarized towards disseminating false information. 1720 00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:08,960 towards disseminating false information. 1721 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,790 towards disseminating false information. Rogan is the leader, but so many other 1722 00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:11,800 Rogan is the leader, but so many other 1723 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,390 Rogan is the leader, but so many other podcasts. You can You can You can trace 1724 00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:14,400 podcasts. You can You can You can trace 1725 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,230 podcasts. You can You can You can trace the evolution of a podcast by how how 1726 00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:17,240 the evolution of a podcast by how how 1727 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,190 the evolution of a podcast by how how quickly and how thoroughly 1728 00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:19,200 quickly and how thoroughly 1729 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,950 quickly and how thoroughly it starts to favor these types of 1730 00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:20,960 it starts to favor these types of 1731 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,550 it starts to favor these types of figures. Um and part of that is audience 1732 00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:23,560 figures. Um and part of that is audience 1733 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,670 figures. Um and part of that is audience capture 1734 00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:24,680 capture 1735 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,670 capture and right just sort of the natural 1736 00:28:27,670 --> 00:28:27,680 and right just sort of the natural 1737 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,910 and right just sort of the natural you know, marketplace of clicks sort of 1738 00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:30,920 you know, marketplace of clicks sort of 1739 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,870 you know, marketplace of clicks sort of sort of a thing and then some of it is 1740 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:32,880 sort of a thing and then some of it is 1741 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,950 sort of a thing and then some of it is very very deliberate. You have powerful 1742 00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:34,960 very very deliberate. You have powerful 1743 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,190 very very deliberate. You have powerful people that craft these narratives that 1744 00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:37,200 people that craft these narratives that 1745 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,950 people that craft these narratives that hire these people to disseminate them 1746 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:38,960 hire these people to disseminate them 1747 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,030 hire these people to disseminate them and put a lot of money and and influence 1748 00:28:41,030 --> 00:28:41,040 and put a lot of money and and influence 1749 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,110 and put a lot of money and and influence towards getting them on the right 1750 00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:42,120 towards getting them on the right 1751 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,910 towards getting them on the right podcasts to to capture as many minds as 1752 00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:44,920 podcasts to to capture as many minds as 1753 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,870 podcasts to to capture as many minds as possible. 1754 00:28:45,870 --> 00:28:45,880 possible. 1755 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,710 possible. >> Yeah. So then uh specifically about 1756 00:28:47,710 --> 00:28:47,720 >> Yeah. So then uh specifically about 1757 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,990 >> Yeah. So then uh specifically about Rogan, he seems like a a doofus who 1758 00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:51,000 Rogan, he seems like a a doofus who 1759 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,950 Rogan, he seems like a a doofus who started out as a doofus and was 1760 00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:52,960 started out as a doofus and was 1761 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,910 started out as a doofus and was accidentally first to market and um 1762 00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:55,920 accidentally first to market and um 1763 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,110 accidentally first to market and um >> Yeah. 1764 00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:57,120 >> Yeah. 1765 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,390 >> Yeah. I mean, to be clear, I think Rogan is 1766 00:28:59,390 --> 00:28:59,400 I mean, to be clear, I think Rogan is 1767 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,830 I mean, to be clear, I think Rogan is of average intelligence. I don't think 1768 00:29:00,830 --> 00:29:00,840 of average intelligence. I don't think 1769 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,950 of average intelligence. I don't think he's specifically dumb. Um he can say 1770 00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:02,960 he's specifically dumb. Um he can say 1771 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,990 he's specifically dumb. Um he can say smart things, but it's just that he is 1772 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:06,000 smart things, but it's just that he is 1773 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,990 smart things, but it's just that he is so heavily entrenched in his own 1774 00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:09,000 so heavily entrenched in his own 1775 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,190 so heavily entrenched in his own anti-establishment bias that all you 1776 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:11,200 anti-establishment bias that all you 1777 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,550 anti-establishment bias that all you have to do, some jerk goes on there and 1778 00:29:13,550 --> 00:29:13,560 have to do, some jerk goes on there and 1779 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,790 have to do, some jerk goes on there and go, "Big Pharma blah blah blah, so 1780 00:29:15,790 --> 00:29:15,800 go, "Big Pharma blah blah blah, so 1781 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,030 go, "Big Pharma blah blah blah, so listen to this." And he's like, "Tell me 1782 00:29:18,030 --> 00:29:18,040 listen to this." And he's like, "Tell me 1783 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,790 listen to this." And he's like, "Tell me the fact" Like there's just zero 1784 00:29:20,790 --> 00:29:20,800 the fact" Like there's just zero 1785 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,990 the fact" Like there's just zero uh ability to to apply scrutiny 1786 00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:25,000 uh ability to to apply scrutiny 1787 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,470 uh ability to to apply scrutiny in all directions, right? 1788 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:27,480 in all directions, right? 1789 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,070 in all directions, right? Um And so it's like, you know, and then 1790 00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:29,080 Um And so it's like, you know, and then 1791 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,510 Um And so it's like, you know, and then there are there like I recently went on 1792 00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:30,520 there are there like I recently went on 1793 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,630 there are there like I recently went on the Danny Jones podcast, which I was 1794 00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:32,640 the Danny Jones podcast, which I was 1795 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,830 the Danny Jones podcast, which I was kind of surprised to be invited on 1796 00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:33,840 kind of surprised to be invited on 1797 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,910 kind of surprised to be invited on there. Like he that's sort of a 1798 00:29:35,910 --> 00:29:35,920 there. Like he that's sort of a 1799 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,430 there. Like he that's sort of a situation where it's it's a Rogan 1800 00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:39,440 situation where it's it's a Rogan 1801 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,790 situation where it's it's a Rogan atmosphere, but he I I feel like he's 1802 00:29:42,790 --> 00:29:42,800 atmosphere, but he I I feel like he's 1803 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,910 atmosphere, but he I I feel like he's trying to not go that way. He's 1804 00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:44,920 trying to not go that way. He's 1805 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,870 trying to not go that way. He's struggling cuz most of his audience 1806 00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:46,880 struggling cuz most of his audience 1807 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,830 struggling cuz most of his audience wants that, but he's like I agreed to do 1808 00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:49,840 wants that, but he's like I agreed to do 1809 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,790 wants that, but he's like I agreed to do it because I did some content on on moon 1810 00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:51,800 it because I did some content on on moon 1811 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,870 it because I did some content on on moon landing denial where I debunked this guy 1812 00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:53,880 landing denial where I debunked this guy 1813 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,190 landing denial where I debunked this guy Bart Sibrel, and Bart Bart went on the 1814 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:56,200 Bart Sibrel, and Bart Bart went on the 1815 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,070 Bart Sibrel, and Bart Bart went on the Danny Jones podcast, and I commented on 1816 00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:58,080 Danny Jones podcast, and I commented on 1817 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,190 Danny Jones podcast, and I commented on those episodes, and 1818 00:30:00,190 --> 00:30:00,200 those episodes, and 1819 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,390 those episodes, and Danny had him on once, kind of fell for 1820 00:30:02,390 --> 00:30:02,400 Danny had him on once, kind of fell for 1821 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,310 Danny had him on once, kind of fell for it, 1822 00:30:03,310 --> 00:30:03,320 it, 1823 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,030 it, had him on a second time, did some 1824 00:30:05,030 --> 00:30:05,040 had him on a second time, did some 1825 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,630 had him on a second time, did some research in the interim, and then kind 1826 00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:06,640 research in the interim, and then kind 1827 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,030 research in the interim, and then kind of really heavily challenged him with 1828 00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:09,040 of really heavily challenged him with 1829 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,590 of really heavily challenged him with some stuff about shadows and all these 1830 00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:10,600 some stuff about shadows and all these 1831 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,350 some stuff about shadows and all these things. And and I could see in that 1832 00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:12,360 things. And and I could see in that 1833 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,710 things. And and I could see in that episode that he's like, "This guy's a 1834 00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:13,720 episode that he's like, "This guy's a 1835 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,510 episode that he's like, "This guy's a fraud." And he you know, like pressed 1836 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:15,520 fraud." And he you know, like pressed 1837 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,070 fraud." And he you know, like pressed him and stuff, and I'm like, "Good. 1838 00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:17,080 him and stuff, and I'm like, "Good. 1839 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,030 him and stuff, and I'm like, "Good. That's what you need to do. That's what 1840 00:30:19,030 --> 00:30:19,040 That's what you need to do. That's what 1841 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,710 That's what you need to do. That's what everyone in the podcast space needs to 1842 00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:20,720 everyone in the podcast space needs to 1843 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,550 everyone in the podcast space needs to do." Can you imagine if Joe Rogan had on 1844 00:30:24,550 --> 00:30:24,560 do." Can you imagine if Joe Rogan had on 1845 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,310 do." Can you imagine if Joe Rogan had on Bobby Kennedy and like grilled him on 1846 00:30:27,310 --> 00:30:27,320 Bobby Kennedy and like grilled him on 1847 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,070 Bobby Kennedy and like grilled him on facts? Are you kidding? The whole world 1848 00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:30,080 facts? Are you kidding? The whole world 1849 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,830 facts? Are you kidding? The whole world would be different, you know? Um and so 1850 00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:32,840 would be different, you know? Um and so 1851 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,790 would be different, you know? Um and so I went on I agreed to go on to be like, 1852 00:30:34,790 --> 00:30:34,800 I went on I agreed to go on to be like, 1853 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,390 I went on I agreed to go on to be like, "This is good what you're doing. I know 1854 00:30:36,390 --> 00:30:36,400 "This is good what you're doing. I know 1855 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,510 "This is good what you're doing. I know you all of your viewers are going to 1856 00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:37,520 you all of your viewers are going to 1857 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,830 you all of your viewers are going to despise me, but I'm here anyway, because 1858 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:39,840 despise me, but I'm here anyway, because 1859 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,910 despise me, but I'm here anyway, because I I to do whatever I can to nudge the 1860 00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:41,920 I I to do whatever I can to nudge the 1861 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,950 I I to do whatever I can to nudge the podcast space in this direction of 1862 00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:43,960 podcast space in this direction of 1863 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,230 podcast space in this direction of having on an equal number of people that 1864 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:46,240 having on an equal number of people that 1865 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,950 having on an equal number of people that can debunk all the have the frauds on. 1866 00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:48,960 can debunk all the have the frauds on. 1867 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,190 can debunk all the have the frauds on. You don't have to be the arbiter of 1868 00:30:50,190 --> 00:30:50,200 You don't have to be the arbiter of 1869 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,070 You don't have to be the arbiter of what's true. You don't have to know 1870 00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:52,080 what's true. You don't have to know 1871 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,950 what's true. You don't have to know every fraud is a fraud. You fell for a 1872 00:30:53,950 --> 00:30:53,960 every fraud is a fraud. You fell for a 1873 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,350 every fraud is a fraud. You fell for a fraud, that's fine. It happens. But then 1874 00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:56,360 fraud, that's fine. It happens. But then 1875 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,670 fraud, that's fine. It happens. But then next week have another person on whether 1876 00:30:58,670 --> 00:30:58,680 next week have another person on whether 1877 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,550 next week have another person on whether it's a science communicator like me or a 1878 00:31:00,550 --> 00:31:00,560 it's a science communicator like me or a 1879 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,110 it's a science communicator like me or a professional in that field um to explain 1880 00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:03,120 professional in that field um to explain 1881 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,790 professional in that field um to explain to you how everything that other guy 1882 00:31:04,790 --> 00:31:04,800 to you how everything that other guy 1883 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,990 to you how everything that other guy said is wrong and a lie. Um and if we 1884 00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:08,000 said is wrong and a lie. Um and if we 1885 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,670 said is wrong and a lie. Um and if we can do that equally man, that's going to 1886 00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:10,680 can do that equally man, that's going to 1887 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,150 can do that equally man, that's going to be a big shift in society. 1888 00:31:14,150 --> 00:31:14,160 be a big shift in society. 1889 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,830 be a big shift in society. >> You would seem more optimistic than I am 1890 00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:16,840 >> You would seem more optimistic than I am 1891 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,750 >> You would seem more optimistic than I am of people's willingness to change their 1892 00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:18,760 of people's willingness to change their 1893 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,790 of people's willingness to change their minds. Cuz like in I feel like in the 1894 00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:20,800 minds. Cuz like in I feel like in the 1895 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,350 minds. Cuz like in I feel like in the Joe Rogan world 1896 00:31:22,350 --> 00:31:22,360 Joe Rogan world 1897 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,150 Joe Rogan world uh that whole Graham Hancock Flint Dible 1898 00:31:24,150 --> 00:31:24,160 uh that whole Graham Hancock Flint Dible 1899 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,710 uh that whole Graham Hancock Flint Dible thing, they still feel like Graham 1900 00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:26,720 thing, they still feel like Graham 1901 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,510 thing, they still feel like Graham Hancock like Flint Dible came in and and 1902 00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:29,520 Hancock like Flint Dible came in and and 1903 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,150 Hancock like Flint Dible came in and and lied and just showed his hand. 1904 00:31:31,150 --> 00:31:31,160 lied and just showed his hand. 1905 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,150 lied and just showed his hand. >> Because Joe told him. Because Joe told 1906 00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:33,160 >> Because Joe told him. Because Joe told 1907 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,470 >> Because Joe told him. Because Joe told him that. He just started saying, he 1908 00:31:35,470 --> 00:31:35,480 him that. He just started saying, he 1909 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,390 him that. He just started saying, he lied. Really? About what? Oh, he's a 1910 00:31:37,390 --> 00:31:37,400 lied. Really? About what? Oh, he's a 1911 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,230 lied. Really? About what? Oh, he's a liar. It just became the new narrative. 1912 00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:40,240 liar. It just became the new narrative. 1913 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,630 liar. It just became the new narrative. >> Yes. Right. Well, 1914 00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:41,640 >> Yes. Right. Well, 1915 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,990 >> Yes. Right. Well, >> Imagine if he didn't do that. Imagine if 1916 00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:43,000 >> Imagine if he didn't do that. Imagine if 1917 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,030 >> Imagine if he didn't do that. Imagine if he had on more archaeologists and more 1918 00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:45,040 he had on more archaeologists and more 1919 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,190 he had on more archaeologists and more you know what I mean? 1920 00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:46,200 you know what I mean? 1921 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,590 you know what I mean? Instead of instead of you know, banning 1922 00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:48,600 Instead of instead of you know, banning 1923 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,510 Instead of instead of you know, banning Flint from the podcast and having Graham 1924 00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:50,520 Flint from the podcast and having Graham 1925 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,670 Flint from the podcast and having Graham on a bunch more times. 1926 00:31:52,670 --> 00:31:52,680 on a bunch more times. 1927 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,270 on a bunch more times. >> Yeah. Okay, fair enough. 1928 00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:54,280 >> Yeah. Okay, fair enough. 1929 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,750 >> Yeah. Okay, fair enough. >> That's on Joe. That's what I'm saying 1930 00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:55,760 >> That's on Joe. That's what I'm saying 1931 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,630 >> That's on Joe. That's what I'm saying right now. The attitude of the podcast 1932 00:31:57,630 --> 00:31:57,640 right now. The attitude of the podcast 1933 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,910 right now. The attitude of the podcast hosts needs to shift. 1934 00:31:59,910 --> 00:31:59,920 hosts needs to shift. 1935 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,390 hosts needs to shift. >> I don't think Joe made that up. I think 1936 00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:01,400 >> I don't think Joe made that up. I think 1937 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,390 >> I don't think Joe made that up. I think that was genuinely Joe's conclusion. I 1938 00:32:03,390 --> 00:32:03,400 that was genuinely Joe's conclusion. I 1939 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,790 that was genuinely Joe's conclusion. I don't obviously I'm not in his head. You 1940 00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:04,800 don't obviously I'm not in his head. You 1941 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,150 don't obviously I'm not in his head. You don't think so? 1942 00:32:05,150 --> 00:32:05,160 don't think so? 1943 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,630 don't think so? >> That was very coordinated and influenced 1944 00:32:07,630 --> 00:32:07,640 >> That was very coordinated and influenced 1945 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,070 >> That was very coordinated and influenced by Graham right? 1946 00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:09,080 by Graham right? 1947 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,190 by Graham right? >> Because of his friendship with Graham 1948 00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:10,200 >> Because of his friendship with Graham 1949 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,390 >> Because of his friendship with Graham Hancock. He didn't he didn't want to 1950 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:12,400 Hancock. He didn't he didn't want to 1951 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,750 Hancock. He didn't he didn't want to >> He didn't want to sacrifice that. Graham 1952 00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:13,760 >> He didn't want to sacrifice that. Graham 1953 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,230 >> He didn't want to sacrifice that. Graham was honestly one of the main guests that 1954 00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:16,240 was honestly one of the main guests that 1955 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,990 was honestly one of the main guests that propelled Joe's show in the first place. 1956 00:32:18,990 --> 00:32:19,000 propelled Joe's show in the first place. 1957 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,270 propelled Joe's show in the first place. He's had Graham on like a dozen at least 1958 00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:21,280 He's had Graham on like a dozen at least 1959 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,350 He's had Graham on like a dozen at least a dozen times. 1960 00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:22,360 a dozen times. 1961 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,190 a dozen times. >> One of the first guest. He was the first 1962 00:32:24,190 --> 00:32:24,200 >> One of the first guest. He was the first 1963 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,030 >> One of the first guest. He was the first like kind of alt info conspiratorial 1964 00:32:28,030 --> 00:32:28,040 like kind of alt info conspiratorial 1965 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,590 like kind of alt info conspiratorial like oh, check out my super secret truth 1966 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:30,600 like oh, check out my super secret truth 1967 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,390 like oh, check out my super secret truth right? As opposed to just comedians 1968 00:32:32,390 --> 00:32:32,400 right? As opposed to just comedians 1969 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,230 right? As opposed to just comedians shooting the [\h__\h] and whatever. Which is 1970 00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:34,240 shooting the [\h__\h] and whatever. Which is 1971 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,842 shooting the [\h__\h] and whatever. Which is what I wish it still was. 1972 00:32:35,842 --> 00:32:35,852 what I wish it still was. 1973 00:32:35,852 --> 00:32:35,990 what I wish it still was. >> [laughter] 1974 00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:36,000 >> [laughter] 1975 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,750 >> [laughter] >> You know. Um 1976 00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:37,760 >> You know. Um 1977 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,590 >> You know. Um So they rode this thing together. Joe 1978 00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:39,600 So they rode this thing together. Joe 1979 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,990 So they rode this thing together. Joe knows where his money comes from. Um 1980 00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:42,000 knows where his money comes from. Um 1981 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,070 knows where his money comes from. Um and the narrative became, right, this is 1982 00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:44,080 and the narrative became, right, this is 1983 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,310 and the narrative became, right, this is why I say Joe's not really dumb because 1984 00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:46,320 why I say Joe's not really dumb because 1985 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,830 why I say Joe's not really dumb because in that episode, he was following along 1986 00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:48,840 in that episode, he was following along 1987 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,310 in that episode, he was following along with what was happening and he was 1988 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:50,320 with what was happening and he was 1989 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,110 with what was happening and he was acknowledging where Flint was ruining 1990 00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:52,120 acknowledging where Flint was ruining 1991 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,190 acknowledging where Flint was ruining Grant's Graham's uh uh narratives. 1992 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:55,200 Grant's Graham's uh uh narratives. 1993 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,350 Grant's Graham's uh uh narratives. And uh and then it just flip of a 1994 00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:57,360 And uh and then it just flip of a 1995 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,750 And uh and then it just flip of a switch, Flint is banned, Graham come 1996 00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:59,760 switch, Flint is banned, Graham come 1997 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,510 switch, Flint is banned, Graham come back on a bunch more times plus all of 1998 00:33:01,510 --> 00:33:01,520 back on a bunch more times plus all of 1999 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,710 back on a bunch more times plus all of his idiot underlings uh in perpetuity, 2000 00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:04,720 his idiot underlings uh in perpetuity, 2001 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,150 his idiot underlings uh in perpetuity, you know, uh one after the others. Um 2002 00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:07,160 you know, uh one after the others. Um 2003 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,710 you know, uh one after the others. Um so, Dan Richardson and Jimmy Corsetti 2004 00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:08,720 so, Dan Richardson and Jimmy Corsetti 2005 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,070 so, Dan Richardson and Jimmy Corsetti were next and then there's this other 2006 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:10,080 were next and then there's this other 2007 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,310 were next and then there's this other guy banned Ben Van Kerkwyk. Uh I I've 2008 00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:12,320 guy banned Ben Van Kerkwyk. Uh I I've 2009 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,670 guy banned Ben Van Kerkwyk. Uh I I've been debunking every single one of these 2010 00:33:13,670 --> 00:33:13,680 been debunking every single one of these 2011 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,350 been debunking every single one of these guys cuz I have this pseudo-archaeology 2012 00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:15,360 guys cuz I have this pseudo-archaeology 2013 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,390 guys cuz I have this pseudo-archaeology cult pisses me off as much as anti-vax 2014 00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:18,400 cult pisses me off as much as anti-vax 2015 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,630 cult pisses me off as much as anti-vax and all the other ones. 2016 00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:19,640 and all the other ones. 2017 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,310 and all the other ones. Um so, I'm I'm dedicated to destroying 2018 00:33:21,310 --> 00:33:21,320 Um so, I'm I'm dedicated to destroying 2019 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,230 Um so, I'm I'm dedicated to destroying them. 2020 00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:22,240 them. 2021 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,310 them. Um 2022 00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:23,320 Um 2023 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,550 Um And uh that became the narrative. 2024 00:33:24,550 --> 00:33:24,560 And uh that became the narrative. 2025 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,030 And uh that became the narrative. Flint's a liar, Flint's a liar. Ask any 2026 00:33:26,030 --> 00:33:26,040 Flint's a liar, Flint's a liar. Ask any 2027 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,750 Flint's a liar, Flint's a liar. Ask any of those guys who says Flint's a liar 2028 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:27,760 of those guys who says Flint's a liar 2029 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,550 of those guys who says Flint's a liar how what he lied about. None of them can 2030 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:29,560 how what he lied about. None of them can 2031 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,390 how what he lied about. None of them can give you an answer. The best they can do 2032 00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:31,400 give you an answer. The best they can do 2033 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,790 give you an answer. The best they can do is cite one error he made in a he said 3 2034 00:33:34,790 --> 00:33:34,800 is cite one error he made in a he said 3 2035 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,270 is cite one error he made in a he said 3 million shipwrecks and the correct 2036 00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:36,280 million shipwrecks and the correct 2037 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,790 million shipwrecks and the correct figure was 300,000. Oh my god, he made 2038 00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:38,800 figure was 300,000. Oh my god, he made 2039 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,030 figure was 300,000. Oh my god, he made one one quantitative error in a 4-hour 2040 00:33:42,030 --> 00:33:42,040 one one quantitative error in a 4-hour 2041 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,910 one one quantitative error in a 4-hour podcast pulling all this stuff off top 2042 00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:44,920 podcast pulling all this stuff off top 2043 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,030 podcast pulling all this stuff off top of his head, you know what I mean? Uh 2044 00:33:47,030 --> 00:33:47,040 of his head, you know what I mean? Uh 2045 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,430 of his head, you know what I mean? Uh yeah, they cannot handle uh legitimate 2046 00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:49,440 yeah, they cannot handle uh legitimate 2047 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,350 yeah, they cannot handle uh legitimate information debunking these ridiculous 2048 00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:51,360 information debunking these ridiculous 2049 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,350 information debunking these ridiculous narratives that um 2050 00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:53,360 narratives that um 2051 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,443 narratives that um yeah. 2052 00:33:54,443 --> 00:33:54,453 yeah. 2053 00:33:54,453 --> 00:33:54,750 yeah. >> [snorts] 2054 00:33:54,750 --> 00:33:54,760 >> [snorts] 2055 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,550 >> [snorts] >> That that certainly uh fits 2056 00:33:57,550 --> 00:33:57,560 >> That that certainly uh fits 2057 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,550 >> That that certainly uh fits my impression of it is that there's like 2058 00:33:59,550 --> 00:33:59,560 my impression of it is that there's like 2059 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,070 my impression of it is that there's like this uh 2060 00:34:01,070 --> 00:34:01,080 this uh 2061 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,430 this uh emotional attachment to this idea that 2062 00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:03,440 emotional attachment to this idea that 2063 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,710 emotional attachment to this idea that that I've got um which seems like I I 2064 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:06,720 that I've got um which seems like I I 2065 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,430 that I've got um which seems like I I I don't know one of the more human 2066 00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:08,440 I don't know one of the more human 2067 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,550 I don't know one of the more human things that we do is I I feel like we 2068 00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:10,560 things that we do is I I feel like we 2069 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,550 things that we do is I I feel like we get a mo- we 2070 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:12,560 get a mo- we 2071 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,950 get a mo- we our i- our identity is 2072 00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:14,960 our i- our identity is 2073 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,550 our i- our identity is our belief systems. 2074 00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:16,560 our belief systems. 2075 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:16,750 our belief systems. >> Mhm. 2076 00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:16,760 >> Mhm. 2077 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,333 >> Mhm. >> Um and so, it's it's hard to hang on 2078 00:34:19,333 --> 00:34:19,343 >> Um and so, it's it's hard to hang on 2079 00:34:19,343 --> 00:34:21,909 >> Um and so, it's it's hard to hang on [snorts] to hang on to a belief loosely 2080 00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:21,919 [snorts] to hang on to a belief loosely 2081 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:23,830 [snorts] to hang on to a belief loosely and go, I might be wrong about this uh 2082 00:34:23,830 --> 00:34:23,840 and go, I might be wrong about this uh 2083 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,629 and go, I might be wrong about this uh but it's what I I currently think. It's 2084 00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:25,639 but it's what I I currently think. It's 2085 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,389 but it's what I I currently think. It's what I currently makes sense to me. 2086 00:34:27,389 --> 00:34:27,399 what I currently makes sense to me. 2087 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,350 what I currently makes sense to me. >> It's a it's a combination of being 2088 00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:29,360 >> It's a it's a combination of being 2089 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,110 >> It's a it's a combination of being tethered, you know, 2090 00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:31,120 tethered, you know, 2091 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,030 tethered, you know, getting a a sense of identity from this 2092 00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:34,040 getting a a sense of identity from this 2093 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,990 getting a a sense of identity from this alternate set of facts that make you 2094 00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:36,000 alternate set of facts that make you 2095 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,950 alternate set of facts that make you feel smart and special. I know the super 2096 00:34:37,950 --> 00:34:37,960 feel smart and special. I know the super 2097 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,230 feel smart and special. I know the super secret truth about this thing combined 2098 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:40,240 secret truth about this thing combined 2099 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,030 secret truth about this thing combined with this bizarre rage towards 2100 00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:43,040 with this bizarre rage towards 2101 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,869 with this bizarre rage towards established knowledge. 2102 00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:44,879 established knowledge. 2103 00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:46,909 established knowledge. Which is that which becomes 2104 00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:46,919 Which is that which becomes 2105 00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:49,350 Which is that which becomes anti-academia, anti-whatever, 2106 00:34:49,350 --> 00:34:49,360 anti-academia, anti-whatever, 2107 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,110 anti-academia, anti-whatever, anti-whatever you want to call it. Just 2108 00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:51,120 anti-whatever you want to call it. Just 2109 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,790 anti-whatever you want to call it. Just all of the people who actually know 2110 00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:52,800 all of the people who actually know 2111 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,030 all of the people who actually know things, those stupid jerks are wrong, 2112 00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:55,040 things, those stupid jerks are wrong, 2113 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,669 things, those stupid jerks are wrong, right? They they're they're either 2114 00:34:56,669 --> 00:34:56,679 right? They they're they're either 2115 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,150 right? They they're they're either idiots or they're compromised by special 2116 00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:59,160 idiots or they're compromised by special 2117 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,310 idiots or they're compromised by special interests or whatever it is, but the 2118 00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:01,320 interests or whatever it is, but the 2119 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,550 interests or whatever it is, but the stuff that we know is wrong because I 2120 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:04,560 stuff that we know is wrong because I 2121 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,470 stuff that we know is wrong because I don't know why. I'm too dumb and lazy to 2122 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:06,480 don't know why. I'm too dumb and lazy to 2123 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,910 don't know why. I'm too dumb and lazy to learn it and so this is my defense 2124 00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:07,920 learn it and so this is my defense 2125 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,670 learn it and so this is my defense mechanism to feel better about, you 2126 00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:10,680 mechanism to feel better about, you 2127 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,750 mechanism to feel better about, you know, the fact that I couldn't get an 2128 00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:11,760 know, the fact that I couldn't get an 2129 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,750 know, the fact that I couldn't get an education or whatever it is, right? 2130 00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:13,760 education or whatever it is, right? 2131 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,430 education or whatever it is, right? Whatever this attitude is towards 2132 00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:15,440 Whatever this attitude is towards 2133 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,230 Whatever this attitude is towards established knowledge. 2134 00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:17,240 established knowledge. 2135 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,670 established knowledge. Right? The this the this inability to 2136 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:19,680 Right? The this the this inability to 2137 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,150 Right? The this the this inability to understand that, hey, human beings all 2138 00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:22,160 understand that, hey, human beings all 2139 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,470 understand that, hey, human beings all over the world learn things over time 2140 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:24,480 over the world learn things over time 2141 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,030 over the world learn things over time and then we pass on that knowledge, 2142 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:26,040 and then we pass on that knowledge, 2143 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,070 and then we pass on that knowledge, right? In school and scientists write 2144 00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:28,080 right? In school and scientists write 2145 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,950 right? In school and scientists write papers where they report the uh the 2146 00:35:29,950 --> 00:35:29,960 papers where they report the uh the 2147 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,070 papers where they report the uh the results of the research they've done, 2148 00:35:31,070 --> 00:35:31,080 results of the research they've done, 2149 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,310 results of the research they've done, etc. It's this wholesale rejection of 2150 00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:33,320 etc. It's this wholesale rejection of 2151 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,750 etc. It's this wholesale rejection of that entire system of gathering and 2152 00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:34,760 that entire system of gathering and 2153 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,550 that entire system of gathering and disseminating knowledge generation after 2154 00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:36,560 disseminating knowledge generation after 2155 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,270 disseminating knowledge generation after generation in favor of some dumb story 2156 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:39,280 generation in favor of some dumb story 2157 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,430 generation in favor of some dumb story that makes me feel like I I get to 2158 00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:42,440 that makes me feel like I I get to 2159 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,870 that makes me feel like I I get to I'm smarter than theoretical physicists 2160 00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:44,880 I'm smarter than theoretical physicists 2161 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,070 I'm smarter than theoretical physicists now because Eric Weinstein told me that 2162 00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:47,080 now because Eric Weinstein told me that 2163 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,590 now because Eric Weinstein told me that I am, right? That's that's what it is. 2164 00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:49,600 I am, right? That's that's what it is. 2165 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,390 I am, right? That's that's what it is. >> Yeah. Well, it seems to me that there's 2166 00:35:51,390 --> 00:35:51,400 >> Yeah. Well, it seems to me that there's 2167 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,950 >> Yeah. Well, it seems to me that there's also a a distrust uh for people who have 2168 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:54,960 also a a distrust uh for people who have 2169 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,110 also a a distrust uh for people who have been misled or lied to by institutional 2170 00:35:59,110 --> 00:35:59,120 been misled or lied to by institutional 2171 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,550 been misled or lied to by institutional knowledge. Um 2172 00:36:00,550 --> 00:36:00,560 knowledge. Um 2173 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,230 knowledge. Um >> Mhm. 2174 00:36:01,230 --> 00:36:01,240 >> Mhm. 2175 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:03,030 >> Mhm. >> And whether it was that was intentional 2176 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:03,040 >> And whether it was that was intentional 2177 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,430 >> And whether it was that was intentional or just mistakes, like I I I trusted you 2178 00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:06,440 or just mistakes, like I I I trusted you 2179 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,510 or just mistakes, like I I I trusted you with this thing and then, I mean 2180 00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:09,520 with this thing and then, I mean 2181 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:09,750 with this thing and then, I mean maybe 2182 00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:09,760 maybe 2183 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,990 maybe >> But I mean, uh you know, there are very 2184 00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:12,000 >> But I mean, uh you know, there are very 2185 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,390 >> But I mean, uh you know, there are very the the 2186 00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:13,400 the the 2187 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,910 the the like, yeah, you can you can cite ins- 2188 00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:15,920 like, yeah, you can you can cite ins- 2189 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,110 like, yeah, you can you can cite ins- occasional instances of that, but uh but 2190 00:36:18,110 --> 00:36:18,120 occasional instances of that, but uh but 2191 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,270 occasional instances of that, but uh but there's a couple things. Number one, 2192 00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:19,280 there's a couple things. Number one, 2193 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,350 there's a couple things. Number one, scientists are not, you know, a 2194 00:36:21,350 --> 00:36:21,360 scientists are not, you know, a 2195 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,750 scientists are not, you know, a government agency. We're talking about a 2196 00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:22,760 government agency. We're talking about a 2197 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,110 government agency. We're talking about a global scientific community operating in 2198 00:36:25,110 --> 00:36:25,120 global scientific community operating in 2199 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,310 global scientific community operating in so many different sectors. But the more 2200 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:27,320 so many different sectors. But the more 2201 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,910 so many different sectors. But the more importantly, if you're going to compare 2202 00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:28,920 importantly, if you're going to compare 2203 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,510 importantly, if you're going to compare the times that science lied versus 2204 00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:32,520 the times that science lied versus 2205 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,910 the times that science lied versus podcast bros and their guests lying 2206 00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:34,920 podcast bros and their guests lying 2207 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,110 podcast bros and their guests lying literally all the time, it's a pretty 2208 00:36:38,110 --> 00:36:38,120 literally all the time, it's a pretty 2209 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,670 literally all the time, it's a pretty easy uh contest where you're going to go 2210 00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:40,680 easy uh contest where you're going to go 2211 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,590 easy uh contest where you're going to go with, you know. 2212 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:41,600 with, you know. 2213 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,070 with, you know. >> I don't I don't think most of those 2214 00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:43,080 >> I don't I don't think most of those 2215 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,470 >> I don't I don't think most of those people see a difference between the 2216 00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:44,480 people see a difference between the 2217 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,870 people see a difference between the science community and government. I 2218 00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:46,880 science community and government. I 2219 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,630 science community and government. I think they they see it as ridiculous. 2220 00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:48,640 think they they see it as ridiculous. 2221 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,070 think they they see it as ridiculous. >> Not all Most scientists don't work for 2222 00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:51,080 >> Not all Most scientists don't work for 2223 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,110 >> Not all Most scientists don't work for any government. 2224 00:36:53,110 --> 00:36:53,120 any government. 2225 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,150 any government. >> Yeah. 2226 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:54,160 >> Yeah. 2227 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,950 >> Yeah. >> There are There are scientists that work 2228 00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:55,960 >> There are There are scientists that work 2229 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,590 >> There are There are scientists that work within government institutions. There 2230 00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:57,600 within government institutions. There 2231 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,630 within government institutions. There are scientists that work within 2232 00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:58,640 are scientists that work within 2233 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,190 are scientists that work within academia. There are scientists that work 2234 00:37:00,190 --> 00:37:00,200 academia. There are scientists that work 2235 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,550 academia. There are scientists that work in the private sector. There are 2236 00:37:01,550 --> 00:37:01,560 in the private sector. There are 2237 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,630 in the private sector. There are scientists that work for independent 2238 00:37:03,630 --> 00:37:03,640 scientists that work for independent 2239 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,070 scientists that work for independent institutions, non-profit institutions. 2240 00:37:06,070 --> 00:37:06,080 institutions, non-profit institutions. 2241 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,830 institutions, non-profit institutions. Scientists, millions of them, all over 2242 00:37:07,830 --> 00:37:07,840 Scientists, millions of them, all over 2243 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,950 Scientists, millions of them, all over the world work at You You cannot buy off 2244 00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:09,960 the world work at You You cannot buy off 2245 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,470 the world work at You You cannot buy off the entire scientific community. 2246 00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:11,480 the entire scientific community. 2247 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,350 the entire scientific community. Physically impossible. You can buy off 2248 00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:13,360 Physically impossible. You can buy off 2249 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,550 Physically impossible. You can buy off one scientist, absolutely, or doctor. 2250 00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:16,560 one scientist, absolutely, or doctor. 2251 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,590 one scientist, absolutely, or doctor. Um and that's what That's where a lot of 2252 00:37:18,590 --> 00:37:18,600 Um and that's what That's where a lot of 2253 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,750 Um and that's what That's where a lot of these grifts start is you get a jerk 2254 00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:20,760 these grifts start is you get a jerk 2255 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,990 these grifts start is you get a jerk like Andrew Wakefield that takes a bribe 2256 00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:23,000 like Andrew Wakefield that takes a bribe 2257 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,590 like Andrew Wakefield that takes a bribe of a half a half a million pounds to pen 2258 00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:25,600 of a half a half a million pounds to pen 2259 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,270 of a half a half a million pounds to pen the fraudulent Lancet study that says 2260 00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:27,280 the fraudulent Lancet study that says 2261 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,230 the fraudulent Lancet study that says vaccines cause autism. And here we are 2262 00:37:29,230 --> 00:37:29,240 vaccines cause autism. And here we are 2263 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,230 vaccines cause autism. And here we are 30 years later, cannot shake this crap. 2264 00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:32,240 30 years later, cannot shake this crap. 2265 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,470 30 years later, cannot shake this crap. It keeps coming back wave after wave of 2266 00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:34,480 It keeps coming back wave after wave of 2267 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,150 It keeps coming back wave after wave of new [\h__\h] about vaccines cause 2268 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:36,160 new [\h__\h] about vaccines cause 2269 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,390 new [\h__\h] about vaccines cause autism. So, you can buy off one doctor, 2270 00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:38,400 autism. So, you can buy off one doctor, 2271 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,110 autism. So, you can buy off one doctor, you can buy off one scientist, sure, 2272 00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:40,120 you can buy off one scientist, sure, 2273 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,350 you can buy off one scientist, sure, maybe even a small group. You cannot buy 2274 00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:42,360 maybe even a small group. You cannot buy 2275 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,870 maybe even a small group. You cannot buy off the entire global scientific 2276 00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:43,880 off the entire global scientific 2277 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,670 off the entire global scientific community. Impossible. That is why the 2278 00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:46,680 community. Impossible. That is why the 2279 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,110 community. Impossible. That is why the consensus of the global scientific 2280 00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:48,120 consensus of the global scientific 2281 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,150 consensus of the global scientific community is what we go by at all times. 2282 00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:50,160 community is what we go by at all times. 2283 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,190 community is what we go by at all times. If you encounter information that runs 2284 00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:52,200 If you encounter information that runs 2285 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,910 If you encounter information that runs contrary to what we have to what the 2286 00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:54,920 contrary to what we have to what the 2287 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,510 contrary to what we have to what the scientists of the world have come to 2288 00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:56,520 scientists of the world have come to 2289 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,950 scientists of the world have come to know, that's what you are skeptical 2290 00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:58,960 know, that's what you are skeptical 2291 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,870 know, that's what you are skeptical about. You approach that with extreme 2292 00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:00,880 about. You approach that with extreme 2293 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,430 about. You approach that with extreme skepticism, always. 2294 00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:04,440 skepticism, always. 2295 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,150 skepticism, always. >> Yeah, so 2296 00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:06,160 >> Yeah, so 2297 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,990 >> Yeah, so uh man, I've I I'm sorry, I got a lot of 2298 00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:08,000 uh man, I've I I'm sorry, I got a lot of 2299 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:14,230 uh man, I've I I'm sorry, I got a lot of different directions there. Um 2300 00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:14,240 2301 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,350 Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to uh 2302 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:16,360 Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to uh 2303 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:23,230 Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to uh Hang on. 2304 00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:23,240 2305 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,270 So, I've I've got a lot of questions 2306 00:38:24,270 --> 00:38:24,280 So, I've I've got a lot of questions 2307 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,270 So, I've I've got a lot of questions about science, but also your your I'm 2308 00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:26,280 about science, but also your your I'm 2309 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,350 about science, but also your your I'm having a hard time because your channel 2310 00:38:27,350 --> 00:38:27,360 having a hard time because your channel 2311 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,550 having a hard time because your channel is dedicated to it, and so I don't want 2312 00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:28,560 is dedicated to it, and so I don't want 2313 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,590 is dedicated to it, and so I don't want to like ask you to regurgitate a 2314 00:38:30,590 --> 00:38:30,600 to like ask you to regurgitate a 2315 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,310 to like ask you to regurgitate a a lot of videos that I've watched. 2316 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:32,320 a lot of videos that I've watched. 2317 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,670 a lot of videos that I've watched. >> Or I can briefly summarize something. I 2318 00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:33,680 >> Or I can briefly summarize something. I 2319 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,070 >> Or I can briefly summarize something. I don't know. 2320 00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:36,080 2321 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,750 >> Um 2322 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:39,760 2323 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,910 are you optimistic about the future of 2324 00:38:42,910 --> 00:38:42,920 are you optimistic about the future of 2325 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,710 are you optimistic about the future of um 2326 00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:43,720 um 2327 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:45,550 um science literacy 2328 00:38:45,550 --> 00:38:45,560 science literacy 2329 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,790 science literacy in our species? 2330 00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:46,800 in our species? 2331 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,110 in our species? >> No. Well, I mean, okay, to be honest, 2332 00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:50,120 >> No. Well, I mean, okay, to be honest, 2333 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,870 >> No. Well, I mean, okay, to be honest, over the past 10 years I've grown more 2334 00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:51,880 over the past 10 years I've grown more 2335 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,950 over the past 10 years I've grown more and more and more pessimistic. And then 2336 00:38:53,950 --> 00:38:53,960 and more and more pessimistic. And then 2337 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,830 and more and more pessimistic. And then in the past 6 months to a year, I've 2338 00:38:55,830 --> 00:38:55,840 in the past 6 months to a year, I've 2339 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,510 in the past 6 months to a year, I've regained a slight tinge of optimism um 2340 00:38:58,510 --> 00:38:58,520 regained a slight tinge of optimism um 2341 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,710 regained a slight tinge of optimism um because it's gotten so bad, science 2342 00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:01,720 because it's gotten so bad, science 2343 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,470 because it's gotten so bad, science illiteracy and anti-science mentality 2344 00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:04,480 illiteracy and anti-science mentality 2345 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,990 illiteracy and anti-science mentality has gotten so prevalent and so bad and 2346 00:39:06,990 --> 00:39:07,000 has gotten so prevalent and so bad and 2347 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,030 has gotten so prevalent and so bad and now institutionalized 2348 00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:09,040 now institutionalized 2349 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,710 now institutionalized um science denial has infected our 2350 00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:10,720 um science denial has infected our 2351 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,110 um science denial has infected our government. You have uh the leader of 2352 00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:13,120 government. You have uh the leader of 2353 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,710 government. You have uh the leader of HHS HHS director peddling uh medical 2354 00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:16,720 HHS HHS director peddling uh medical 2355 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,390 HHS HHS director peddling uh medical disinformation through state-sanctioned 2356 00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:18,400 disinformation through state-sanctioned 2357 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,150 disinformation through state-sanctioned channels. That's never happened before. 2358 00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:20,160 channels. That's never happened before. 2359 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,630 channels. That's never happened before. It's gotten so bad that I'm finally 2360 00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:22,640 It's gotten so bad that I'm finally 2361 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,150 It's gotten so bad that I'm finally seeing a stirring among the 2362 00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:24,160 seeing a stirring among the 2363 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,550 seeing a stirring among the intelligentsia, among academia uh to try 2364 00:39:27,550 --> 00:39:27,560 intelligentsia, among academia uh to try 2365 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,190 intelligentsia, among academia uh to try and fight back a little bit. Um so, that 2366 00:39:30,190 --> 00:39:30,200 and fight back a little bit. Um so, that 2367 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,350 and fight back a little bit. Um so, that kind of 2368 00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:31,360 kind of 2369 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,310 kind of um 2370 00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:32,320 um 2371 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,550 um gives me a little bit of uh optimism. 2372 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:34,560 gives me a little bit of uh optimism. 2373 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,390 gives me a little bit of uh optimism. Just We can get make a little bit more 2374 00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:36,400 Just We can get make a little bit more 2375 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,950 Just We can get make a little bit more noise and convince a few more people 2376 00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:38,960 noise and convince a few more people 2377 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,110 noise and convince a few more people like, "Hey, this is all bullshit." Uh 2378 00:39:41,110 --> 00:39:41,120 like, "Hey, this is all bullshit." Uh 2379 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,070 like, "Hey, this is all bullshit." Uh that and the fact that Gen Z seems 2380 00:39:43,070 --> 00:39:43,080 that and the fact that Gen Z seems 2381 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,710 that and the fact that Gen Z seems pretty on it and pretty pro-science and 2382 00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:46,720 pretty on it and pretty pro-science and 2383 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,950 pretty on it and pretty pro-science and pro-fact and pro-social justice and 2384 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:48,960 pro-fact and pro-social justice and 2385 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,190 pro-fact and pro-social justice and things like that. Um 2386 00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:51,200 things like that. Um 2387 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,670 things like that. Um so, I I'm not I'm not uh irretrievably 2388 00:39:54,670 --> 00:39:54,680 so, I I'm not I'm not uh irretrievably 2389 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,750 so, I I'm not I'm not uh irretrievably pessimistic. I would still call myself a 2390 00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:56,760 pessimistic. I would still call myself a 2391 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,830 pessimistic. I would still call myself a pessimist, but uh 2392 00:39:58,830 --> 00:39:58,840 pessimist, but uh 2393 00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,937 pessimist, but uh I'm holding out. 2394 00:39:59,937 --> 00:39:59,947 I'm holding out. 2395 00:39:59,947 --> 00:40:00,030 I'm holding out. >> [laughter] 2396 00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:00,040 >> [laughter] 2397 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,830 >> [laughter] >> Okay. Yeah. It Like, I would say like as 2398 00:40:03,830 --> 00:40:03,840 >> Okay. Yeah. It Like, I would say like as 2399 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,270 >> Okay. Yeah. It Like, I would say like as if you if you zoom out on the chart, we 2400 00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:06,280 if you if you zoom out on the chart, we 2401 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,070 if you if you zoom out on the chart, we are more scientifically literate now 2402 00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:08,080 are more scientifically literate now 2403 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,390 are more scientifically literate now than we've ever been. 2404 00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:10,400 than we've ever been. 2405 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,030 than we've ever been. Is that fair? 2406 00:40:12,030 --> 00:40:12,040 Is that fair? 2407 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,870 Is that fair? >> Yes, but you have to kind of measure 2408 00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:14,880 >> Yes, but you have to kind of measure 2409 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,230 >> Yes, but you have to kind of measure that against the metric of how prevalent 2410 00:40:19,230 --> 00:40:19,240 that against the metric of how prevalent 2411 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,950 that against the metric of how prevalent uh science denial and anti-science 2412 00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:21,960 uh science denial and anti-science 2413 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,550 uh science denial and anti-science narratives are, and those are more 2414 00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:24,560 narratives are, and those are more 2415 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,510 narratives are, and those are more prevalent than ever before also. 2416 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:27,520 prevalent than ever before also. 2417 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:27,710 prevalent than ever before also. >> Yeah. 2418 00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:27,720 >> Yeah. 2419 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,750 >> Yeah. >> Um so it's hard to quantify. 2420 00:40:30,750 --> 00:40:30,760 >> Um so it's hard to quantify. 2421 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,670 >> Um so it's hard to quantify. Um 2422 00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:31,680 Um 2423 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,630 Um But the the thing that um 2424 00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:34,640 But the the thing that um 2425 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,030 But the the thing that um you know, I I'm just I'm 42 years old. 2426 00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:37,040 you know, I I'm just I'm 42 years old. 2427 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,310 you know, I I'm just I'm 42 years old. So the internet became 2428 00:40:39,310 --> 00:40:39,320 So the internet became 2429 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,990 So the internet became widely used in my childhood, right in my 2430 00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:42,000 widely used in my childhood, right in my 2431 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,950 widely used in my childhood, right in my youth. And so you know, I was a preteen 2432 00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:44,960 youth. And so you know, I was a preteen 2433 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,910 youth. And so you know, I was a preteen when everyone was doing the AOL chat 2434 00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:46,920 when everyone was doing the AOL chat 2435 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,710 when everyone was doing the AOL chat rooms and stuff. And then we started 2436 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:48,720 rooms and stuff. And then we started 2437 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,630 rooms and stuff. And then we started using the internet in school. And and um 2438 00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:51,640 using the internet in school. And and um 2439 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,030 using the internet in school. And and um we were 2440 00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:53,040 we were 2441 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,430 we were as a civilization a bit naive in 2442 00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:55,440 as a civilization a bit naive in 2443 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,670 as a civilization a bit naive in thinking, "Hey look, everybody has 2444 00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:57,680 thinking, "Hey look, everybody has 2445 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,510 thinking, "Hey look, everybody has access to all of the information that 2446 00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:59,520 access to all of the information that 2447 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,310 access to all of the information that all of humans possess. That'll make 2448 00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:01,320 all of humans possess. That'll make 2449 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,150 all of humans possess. That'll make everyone smarter, won't it?" Um and 2450 00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:04,160 everyone smarter, won't it?" Um and 2451 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,430 everyone smarter, won't it?" Um and there's some 2452 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:05,440 there's some 2453 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,150 there's some truth to that, but I unfortunately 2454 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:08,160 truth to that, but I unfortunately 2455 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:08,910 truth to that, but I unfortunately um 2456 00:41:08,910 --> 00:41:08,920 um 2457 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,590 um we were not anticipating the degree to 2458 00:41:11,590 --> 00:41:11,600 we were not anticipating the degree to 2459 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,190 we were not anticipating the degree to which special interests would manipulate 2460 00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:13,200 which special interests would manipulate 2461 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,870 which special interests would manipulate the masses through the internet uh and 2462 00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:15,880 the masses through the internet uh and 2463 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,830 the masses through the internet uh and get them to believe 2464 00:41:17,830 --> 00:41:17,840 get them to believe 2465 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,790 get them to believe lies wholesale. 2466 00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:19,800 lies wholesale. 2467 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,790 lies wholesale. Uh it's been a adjustment for all of us, 2468 00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:22,800 Uh it's been a adjustment for all of us, 2469 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,470 Uh it's been a adjustment for all of us, I think. So 2470 00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:23,480 I think. So 2471 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,590 I think. So >> Yeah. Well, I I mean I think that was a 2472 00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:25,600 >> Yeah. Well, I I mean I think that was a 2473 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,070 >> Yeah. Well, I I mean I think that was a failure of the generation before us 2474 00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:28,080 failure of the generation before us 2475 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,510 failure of the generation before us because you should have seen that coming 2476 00:41:30,510 --> 00:41:30,520 because you should have seen that coming 2477 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,550 because you should have seen that coming since that's exactly what we did with 2478 00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:32,560 since that's exactly what we did with 2479 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,070 since that's exactly what we did with every single tool that we've ever 2480 00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:34,080 every single tool that we've ever 2481 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,270 every single tool that we've ever created ever in history. Like it's 2482 00:41:36,270 --> 00:41:36,280 created ever in history. Like it's 2483 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,030 created ever in history. Like it's always it's never it's never the thing 2484 00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:38,040 always it's never it's never the thing 2485 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:38,870 always it's never it's never the thing that you think it's going to be. It's 2486 00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:38,880 that you think it's going to be. It's 2487 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,830 that you think it's going to be. It's always better in ways that you didn't 2488 00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:40,840 always better in ways that you didn't 2489 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,870 always better in ways that you didn't expect and also used by whoever can use 2490 00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:43,880 expect and also used by whoever can use 2491 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,510 expect and also used by whoever can use it to wield power. So like 2492 00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:46,520 it to wield power. So like 2493 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,230 it to wield power. So like probably should have seen that one 2494 00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:47,240 probably should have seen that one 2495 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:48,670 probably should have seen that one coming. Uh I feel that way probably 2496 00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:48,680 coming. Uh I feel that way probably 2497 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,710 coming. Uh I feel that way probably about AI. Like it's whatever the 2498 00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:50,720 about AI. Like it's whatever the 2499 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:51,670 about AI. Like it's whatever the predictions are about whatever it's 2500 00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:51,680 predictions are about whatever it's 2501 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,190 predictions are about whatever it's going to be, it's probably not that 2502 00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:53,200 going to be, it's probably not that 2503 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,310 going to be, it's probably not that thing. It's probably better and worse. 2504 00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:55,320 thing. It's probably better and worse. 2505 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,390 thing. It's probably better and worse. Um and we're going to find out as we 2506 00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:57,400 Um and we're going to find out as we 2507 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,830 Um and we're going to find out as we implement it and hope that it doesn't 2508 00:41:59,830 --> 00:41:59,840 implement it and hope that it doesn't 2509 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:00,670 implement it and hope that it doesn't blow us up. 2510 00:42:00,670 --> 00:42:00,680 blow us up. 2511 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,390 blow us up. >> Yeah, hope that we Yeah, I've done a 2512 00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:02,400 >> Yeah, hope that we Yeah, I've done a 2513 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,270 >> Yeah, hope that we Yeah, I've done a little bit of content on how AI might 2514 00:42:04,270 --> 00:42:04,280 little bit of content on how AI might 2515 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,990 little bit of content on how AI might destroy us. Um 2516 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:06,000 destroy us. Um 2517 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,950 destroy us. Um and uh yeah, that's an interesting topic 2518 00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:07,960 and uh yeah, that's an interesting topic 2519 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,990 and uh yeah, that's an interesting topic because it's one where 2520 00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:10,000 because it's one where 2521 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,870 because it's one where uh it is very speculative. And I don't 2522 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:11,880 uh it is very speculative. And I don't 2523 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,350 uh it is very speculative. And I don't know a whole lot about it. I just sort 2524 00:42:13,350 --> 00:42:13,360 know a whole lot about it. I just sort 2525 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,430 know a whole lot about it. I just sort of echo what experts in the field say. 2526 00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:15,440 of echo what experts in the field say. 2527 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,270 of echo what experts in the field say. Um 2528 00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:16,280 Um 2529 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,910 Um and yeah, don't know what's I I know I 2530 00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:17,920 and yeah, don't know what's I I know I 2531 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,430 and yeah, don't know what's I I know I know exactly what's going to happen if 2532 00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:19,440 know exactly what's going to happen if 2533 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,110 know exactly what's going to happen if we continue ignoring climate change. I 2534 00:42:21,110 --> 00:42:21,120 we continue ignoring climate change. I 2535 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,990 we continue ignoring climate change. I have no idea what's going to happen 2536 00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:23,000 have no idea what's going to happen 2537 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,470 have no idea what's going to happen with the AI. So, 2538 00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:24,480 with the AI. So, 2539 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,270 with the AI. So, you know, yeah. 2540 00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:25,280 you know, yeah. 2541 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,190 you know, yeah. >> Yeah. Well, and I'm I'm not even I can't 2542 00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:27,200 >> Yeah. Well, and I'm I'm not even I can't 2543 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,910 >> Yeah. Well, and I'm I'm not even I can't even tell what it is frankly like 2544 00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:29,920 even tell what it is frankly like 2545 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,270 even tell what it is frankly like because the people who are pushing so 2546 00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:31,280 because the people who are pushing so 2547 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,030 because the people who are pushing so much money into it like obviously I 2548 00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:33,040 much money into it like obviously I 2549 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,670 much money into it like obviously I don't trust their predictions about 2550 00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:34,680 don't trust their predictions about 2551 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,910 don't trust their predictions about they're they're going to try to overhype 2552 00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:35,920 they're they're going to try to overhype 2553 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,910 they're they're going to try to overhype it. Uh but also like it 2554 00:42:38,910 --> 00:42:38,920 it. Uh but also like it 2555 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,550 it. Uh but also like it it might take us by surprise. Those of 2556 00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:40,560 it might take us by surprise. Those of 2557 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,110 it might take us by surprise. Those of us who are thinking well, it's it's just 2558 00:42:42,110 --> 00:42:42,120 us who are thinking well, it's it's just 2559 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,270 us who are thinking well, it's it's just >> It's a quagmire. 2560 00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:43,280 >> It's a quagmire. 2561 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,710 >> It's a quagmire. >> Yeah. Yeah. 2562 00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:44,720 >> Yeah. Yeah. 2563 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,910 >> Yeah. Yeah. Um so then some of the people 2564 00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:47,920 Um so then some of the people 2565 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,350 Um so then some of the people well, with the with the science literacy 2566 00:42:49,350 --> 00:42:49,360 well, with the with the science literacy 2567 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,470 well, with the with the science literacy thing 2568 00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:50,480 thing 2569 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,110 thing it seems like we've made so much 2570 00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:52,120 it seems like we've made so much 2571 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,750 it seems like we've made so much progress in the last let's say 100 years 2572 00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:54,760 progress in the last let's say 100 years 2573 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,950 progress in the last let's say 100 years or 50 years or how whatever timeline you 2574 00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:56,960 or 50 years or how whatever timeline you 2575 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,790 or 50 years or how whatever timeline you want to do it 10 years. Um 2576 00:42:59,790 --> 00:42:59,800 want to do it 10 years. Um 2577 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,590 want to do it 10 years. Um my species is not all 2578 00:43:03,590 --> 00:43:03,600 my species is not all 2579 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,350 my species is not all half of them are below average and 2580 00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:05,360 half of them are below average and 2581 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,350 half of them are below average and average I don't know that the average 2582 00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:07,360 average I don't know that the average 2583 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,790 average I don't know that the average person can do 2584 00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:09,800 person can do 2585 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,790 person can do the whole like learn what we currently 2586 00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:11,800 the whole like learn what we currently 2587 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,390 the whole like learn what we currently know game. 2588 00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:13,400 know game. 2589 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,670 know game. >> No. No nobody ever can again. Nobody no 2590 00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:16,680 >> No. No nobody ever can again. Nobody no 2591 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:17,990 >> No. No nobody ever can again. Nobody no human 2592 00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:18,000 human 2593 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,030 human I mean that's part of the problem is the 2594 00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:20,040 I mean that's part of the problem is the 2595 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,190 I mean that's part of the problem is the 20th century was absolutely astounding. 2596 00:43:24,190 --> 00:43:24,200 20th century was absolutely astounding. 2597 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,310 20th century was absolutely astounding. If you look at what we knew in 1900 and 2598 00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:26,320 If you look at what we knew in 1900 and 2599 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,550 If you look at what we knew in 1900 and then you look at what we knew in 2000 2600 00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:28,560 then you look at what we knew in 2000 2601 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,630 then you look at what we knew in 2000 it's mind-boggling. In 1900 we barely 2602 00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:31,640 it's mind-boggling. In 1900 we barely 2603 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,230 it's mind-boggling. In 1900 we barely knew that atoms and molecules exist. And 2604 00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:34,240 knew that atoms and molecules exist. And 2605 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,030 knew that atoms and molecules exist. And now our command of the molecular world 2606 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:36,040 now our command of the molecular world 2607 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,790 now our command of the molecular world is so sophisticated we can synthesize 2608 00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:38,800 is so sophisticated we can synthesize 2609 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,950 is so sophisticated we can synthesize any molecule our imaginations can 2610 00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:40,960 any molecule our imaginations can 2611 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,950 any molecule our imaginations can conjure. Um stuff like that. And so 2612 00:43:43,950 --> 00:43:43,960 conjure. Um stuff like that. And so 2613 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,750 conjure. Um stuff like that. And so um no the average person obviously has 2614 00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:46,760 um no the average person obviously has 2615 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,750 um no the average person obviously has zero access to the frontier of any 2616 00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:48,760 zero access to the frontier of any 2617 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,870 zero access to the frontier of any scientific field. Um and even people at 2618 00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:51,880 scientific field. Um and even people at 2619 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,230 scientific field. Um and even people at the frontier of their respective 2620 00:43:53,230 --> 00:43:53,240 the frontier of their respective 2621 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:54,830 the frontier of their respective scientific field have no access to the 2622 00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:54,840 scientific field have no access to the 2623 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,750 scientific field have no access to the frontier of some other scientific field 2624 00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:56,760 frontier of some other scientific field 2625 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,030 frontier of some other scientific field or even a subfield within their field. 2626 00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:59,040 or even a subfield within their field. 2627 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,830 or even a subfield within their field. What we know as a species is unthinkably 2628 00:44:01,830 --> 00:44:01,840 What we know as a species is unthinkably 2629 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,150 What we know as a species is unthinkably vast 2630 00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:03,160 vast 2631 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,670 vast um and overwhelmingly sophisticated. So, 2632 00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:06,680 um and overwhelmingly sophisticated. So, 2633 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,310 um and overwhelmingly sophisticated. So, that's and that that's not what I'm not 2634 00:44:09,310 --> 00:44:09,320 that's and that that's not what I'm not 2635 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,030 that's and that that's not what I'm not looking for anybody to grasp frontier 2636 00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:12,040 looking for anybody to grasp frontier 2637 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,750 looking for anybody to grasp frontier astrophysics. That's never going to 2638 00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:13,760 astrophysics. That's never going to 2639 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,790 astrophysics. That's never going to happen 2640 00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:14,800 happen 2641 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,070 happen ever. But, I promote basic science 2642 00:44:18,070 --> 00:44:18,080 ever. But, I promote basic science 2643 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,590 ever. But, I promote basic science literacy. I want everybody to understand 2644 00:44:19,590 --> 00:44:19,600 literacy. I want everybody to understand 2645 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,390 literacy. I want everybody to understand high school level physics, chemistry, 2646 00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:21,400 high school level physics, chemistry, 2647 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,750 high school level physics, chemistry, and biology, things like that. 2648 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:23,760 and biology, things like that. 2649 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,390 and biology, things like that. And we're not we're not there. 2650 00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:25,400 And we're not we're not there. 2651 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,310 And we're not we're not there. >> Yeah. Well, and I feel like that's the 2652 00:44:27,310 --> 00:44:27,320 >> Yeah. Well, and I feel like that's the 2653 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,230 >> Yeah. Well, and I feel like that's the place where I am pessimistic about the 2654 00:44:29,230 --> 00:44:29,240 place where I am pessimistic about the 2655 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,390 place where I am pessimistic about the future because high school level science 2656 00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:32,400 future because high school level science 2657 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,030 future because high school level science it today is better than the 2658 00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:36,040 it today is better than the 2659 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,510 it today is better than the frontier not that long ago. 2660 00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:38,520 frontier not that long ago. 2661 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,070 frontier not that long ago. And so, like 2662 00:44:40,070 --> 00:44:40,080 And so, like 2663 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,870 And so, like what does high school science need to be 2664 00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:41,880 what does high school science need to be 2665 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,830 what does high school science need to be >> Mhm. 2666 00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:42,840 >> Mhm. 2667 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,910 >> Mhm. >> in 2668 00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:43,920 >> in 2669 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,030 >> in 30 years, 50 years? 2670 00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:45,040 30 years, 50 years? 2671 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,790 30 years, 50 years? >> The basics hasn't haven't changed that 2672 00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:46,800 >> The basics hasn't haven't changed that 2673 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,470 >> The basics hasn't haven't changed that much. I mean, when you learn basic 2674 00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:48,480 much. I mean, when you learn basic 2675 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,630 much. I mean, when you learn basic chemistry, basic biology, that's not 2676 00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:50,640 chemistry, basic biology, that's not 2677 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,030 chemistry, basic biology, that's not going to change a lot. You know, just 2678 00:44:52,030 --> 00:44:52,040 going to change a lot. You know, just 2679 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,150 going to change a lot. You know, just learning the basics about molecules and 2680 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:54,160 learning the basics about molecules and 2681 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,590 learning the basics about molecules and cells and forces and that will change 2682 00:44:57,590 --> 00:44:57,600 cells and forces and that will change 2683 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,590 cells and forces and that will change very it has changed very little in my 2684 00:44:59,590 --> 00:44:59,600 very it has changed very little in my 2685 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,190 very it has changed very little in my lifetime and will continue to change 2686 00:45:01,190 --> 00:45:01,200 lifetime and will continue to change 2687 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,870 lifetime and will continue to change very little because it's just basic 2688 00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:02,880 very little because it's just basic 2689 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,070 very little because it's just basic information, you know. It doesn't really 2690 00:45:05,070 --> 00:45:05,080 information, you know. It doesn't really 2691 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,950 information, you know. It doesn't really reflective of like the frontier of 2692 00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:06,960 reflective of like the frontier of 2693 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,830 reflective of like the frontier of theoretical physics or um 2694 00:45:09,830 --> 00:45:09,840 theoretical physics or um 2695 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,830 theoretical physics or um you know, 2696 00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:10,840 you know, 2697 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,710 you know, bioinformatics or stuff like that, you 2698 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:12,720 bioinformatics or stuff like that, you 2699 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:13,030 bioinformatics or stuff like that, you know. 2700 00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:13,040 know. 2701 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,310 know. >> Okay. 2702 00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:14,320 >> Okay. 2703 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,870 >> Okay. So, you feel like we can cram in what we 2704 00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:16,880 So, you feel like we can cram in what we 2705 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,750 So, you feel like we can cram in what we needs to in 2706 00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:18,760 needs to in 2707 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,390 needs to in 12 to 16 years? 2708 00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:21,400 12 to 16 years? 2709 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,390 12 to 16 years? Graduate with a BA and be scientifically 2710 00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:23,400 Graduate with a BA and be scientifically 2711 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,910 Graduate with a BA and be scientifically literate in can be can be considered 2712 00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:25,920 literate in can be can be considered 2713 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,270 literate in can be can be considered scientifically literate in 50 years? 2714 00:45:28,270 --> 00:45:28,280 scientifically literate in 50 years? 2715 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,110 scientifically literate in 50 years? >> Uh yeah, well, I mean, it depends what 2716 00:45:30,110 --> 00:45:30,120 >> Uh yeah, well, I mean, it depends what 2717 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,630 >> Uh yeah, well, I mean, it depends what you call science literate. I mean, 2718 00:45:31,630 --> 00:45:31,640 you call science literate. I mean, 2719 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,910 you call science literate. I mean, having a bachelor's degree in a 2720 00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:32,920 having a bachelor's degree in a 2721 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,190 having a bachelor's degree in a particular field exceeds science 2722 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:35,200 particular field exceeds science 2723 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,470 particular field exceeds science literacy, right? You're beginning to 2724 00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:36,480 literacy, right? You're beginning to 2725 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,990 literacy, right? You're beginning to develop expertise. Um 2726 00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:40,000 develop expertise. Um 2727 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,590 develop expertise. Um when you get a bachelor's degree, you 2728 00:45:41,590 --> 00:45:41,600 when you get a bachelor's degree, you 2729 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,030 when you get a bachelor's degree, you know a lot about the broad topics within 2730 00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:44,040 know a lot about the broad topics within 2731 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,750 know a lot about the broad topics within a field. And then you begin to 2732 00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:45,760 a field. And then you begin to 2733 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,390 a field. And then you begin to specialize in graduate school and you 2734 00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:47,400 specialize in graduate school and you 2735 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,950 specialize in graduate school and you become a expert, leading expert in one 2736 00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:49,960 become a expert, leading expert in one 2737 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,150 become a expert, leading expert in one tiny narrow little thing, you know. 2738 00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:52,160 tiny narrow little thing, you know. 2739 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,030 tiny narrow little thing, you know. Um 2740 00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:53,040 Um 2741 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,070 Um So, I'm not even talking about that. I 2742 00:45:54,070 --> 00:45:54,080 So, I'm not even talking about that. I 2743 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:54,950 So, I'm not even talking about that. I mean, 2744 00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:54,960 mean, 2745 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,790 mean, to expect the public to have a 2746 00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:56,800 to expect the public to have a 2747 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,870 to expect the public to have a bachelor's degree level of knowledge in 2748 00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:58,880 bachelor's degree level of knowledge in 2749 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,950 bachelor's degree level of knowledge in almost any field, that's not going to 2750 00:46:00,950 --> 00:46:00,960 almost any field, that's not going to 2751 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,950 almost any field, that's not going to happen either. That's too sophisticated. 2752 00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:03,960 happen either. That's too sophisticated. 2753 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,710 happen either. That's too sophisticated. I really mean truly high school level 2754 00:46:05,710 --> 00:46:05,720 I really mean truly high school level 2755 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:07,230 I really mean truly high school level knowledge, which you're supposed to get 2756 00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:07,240 knowledge, which you're supposed to get 2757 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:08,950 knowledge, which you're supposed to get in high school, right? And a lot of 2758 00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:08,960 in high school, right? And a lot of 2759 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,630 in high school, right? And a lot of people did and they they either forgot 2760 00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:11,640 people did and they they either forgot 2761 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,350 people did and they they either forgot or they just didn't have a good school, 2762 00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:14,360 or they just didn't have a good school, 2763 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,550 or they just didn't have a good school, they didn't have good teachers or 2764 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:16,560 they didn't have good teachers or 2765 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,230 they didn't have good teachers or or they just or they did learn it and 2766 00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:18,240 or they just or they did learn it and 2767 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,230 or they just or they did learn it and then they deliberately cast it aside for 2768 00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:20,240 then they deliberately cast it aside for 2769 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,190 then they deliberately cast it aside for whatever alternate narrative is more 2770 00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:22,200 whatever alternate narrative is more 2771 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,750 whatever alternate narrative is more captivating to them, you know. 2772 00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:23,760 captivating to them, you know. 2773 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,950 captivating to them, you know. >> Yeah, I I think they didn't get it. I 2774 00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:25,960 >> Yeah, I I think they didn't get it. I 2775 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,110 >> Yeah, I I think they didn't get it. I think 2776 00:46:27,110 --> 00:46:27,120 think 2777 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,830 think and I'm I'm in the school system. I I 2778 00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:29,840 and I'm I'm in the school system. I I 2779 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,630 and I'm I'm in the school system. I I think the school system sucks. 2780 00:46:31,630 --> 00:46:31,640 think the school system sucks. 2781 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,070 think the school system sucks. Um and the people are getting out of it 2782 00:46:34,070 --> 00:46:34,080 Um and the people are getting out of it 2783 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,510 Um and the people are getting out of it not knowing the stuff in it. 2784 00:46:36,510 --> 00:46:36,520 not knowing the stuff in it. 2785 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,950 not knowing the stuff in it. And to a large extent 2786 00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:38,960 And to a large extent 2787 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,870 And to a large extent well, either from a combination of not 2788 00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:40,880 well, either from a combination of not 2789 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,790 well, either from a combination of not having people who really are passionate 2790 00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:42,800 having people who really are passionate 2791 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,110 having people who really are passionate about what they're supposed to be 2792 00:46:44,110 --> 00:46:44,120 about what they're supposed to be 2793 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,630 about what they're supposed to be teaching and also like just not 2794 00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:47,640 teaching and also like just not 2795 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,470 teaching and also like just not a life that is conducive to receiving 2796 00:46:49,470 --> 00:46:49,480 a life that is conducive to receiving 2797 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,430 a life that is conducive to receiving information. 2798 00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:50,440 information. 2799 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,230 information. >> Mhm. 2800 00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:51,240 >> Mhm. 2801 00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:52,550 >> Mhm. >> It's 2802 00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:52,560 >> It's 2803 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,470 >> It's yeah. 2804 00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:53,480 yeah. 2805 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,670 yeah. I don't think that getting out of high 2806 00:46:54,670 --> 00:46:54,680 I don't think that getting out of high 2807 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,630 I don't think that getting out of high school 2808 00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:56,640 school 2809 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,030 school allows you to even understand words like 2810 00:47:00,030 --> 00:47:00,040 allows you to even understand words like 2811 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,590 allows you to even understand words like Some of the people that we go ahead go 2812 00:47:01,590 --> 00:47:01,600 Some of the people that we go ahead go 2813 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,630 Some of the people that we go ahead go ahead. You were going to say something. 2814 00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:02,640 ahead. You were going to say something. 2815 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,750 ahead. You were going to say something. >> Well, I mean it depends where you go, 2816 00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:03,760 >> Well, I mean it depends where you go, 2817 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,790 >> Well, I mean it depends where you go, you know. Yeah, I mean it's it's very 2818 00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:05,800 you know. Yeah, I mean it's it's very 2819 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,310 you know. Yeah, I mean it's it's very tethered to socioeconomic status. I 2820 00:47:08,310 --> 00:47:08,320 tethered to socioeconomic status. I 2821 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,110 tethered to socioeconomic status. I mean, I got a great high school I got a 2822 00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:10,120 mean, I got a great high school I got a 2823 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,150 mean, I got a great high school I got a great public high school education, but 2824 00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:12,160 great public high school education, but 2825 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,510 great public high school education, but I was living in an affluent area, 2826 00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:13,520 I was living in an affluent area, 2827 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,310 I was living in an affluent area, Fairfield County, Connecticut. You know, 2828 00:47:15,310 --> 00:47:15,320 Fairfield County, Connecticut. You know, 2829 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,390 Fairfield County, Connecticut. You know, I I am not so naive to think that 2830 00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:17,400 I I am not so naive to think that 2831 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,030 I I am not so naive to think that everybody had access to that. You go to 2832 00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:20,040 everybody had access to that. You go to 2833 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,630 everybody had access to that. You go to Compton and they're not going to get 2834 00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:21,640 Compton and they're not going to get 2835 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,870 Compton and they're not going to get that. 2836 00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:22,880 that. 2837 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,070 that. But so that's that's an economic 2838 00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:25,080 But so that's that's an economic 2839 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,070 But so that's that's an economic problem. It's it's not it's not so much 2840 00:47:28,070 --> 00:47:28,080 problem. It's it's not it's not so much 2841 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,390 problem. It's it's not it's not so much a design problem or or a curriculum 2842 00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:30,400 a design problem or or a curriculum 2843 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,910 a design problem or or a curriculum problem. You know, I I did a master's in 2844 00:47:32,910 --> 00:47:32,920 problem. You know, I I did a master's in 2845 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,350 problem. You know, I I did a master's in science education and so I know the 2846 00:47:34,350 --> 00:47:34,360 science education and so I know the 2847 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,710 science education and so I know the standards very well and they're good. 2848 00:47:35,710 --> 00:47:35,720 standards very well and they're good. 2849 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,550 standards very well and they're good. They're perfectly good standards. Um 2850 00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:38,560 They're perfectly good standards. Um 2851 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,710 They're perfectly good standards. Um then it's just a matter of incentivizing 2852 00:47:41,710 --> 00:47:41,720 then it's just a matter of incentivizing 2853 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,910 then it's just a matter of incentivizing people to become teachers. So we need to 2854 00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:43,920 people to become teachers. So we need to 2855 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,270 people to become teachers. So we need to pay them more, you know, so 2856 00:47:46,270 --> 00:47:46,280 pay them more, you know, so 2857 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,070 pay them more, you know, so but yeah, so so yeah, that's not to 2858 00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:50,080 but yeah, so so yeah, that's not to 2859 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,110 but yeah, so so yeah, that's not to what what you said is true. There's a 2860 00:47:51,110 --> 00:47:51,120 what what you said is true. There's a 2861 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,310 what what you said is true. There's a lot of people who don't get the 2862 00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:52,320 lot of people who don't get the 2863 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,510 lot of people who don't get the education that they need. Um 2864 00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:55,520 education that they need. Um 2865 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,630 education that they need. Um but 2866 00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:56,640 but 2867 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:57,190 but uh 2868 00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:57,200 uh 2869 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,110 uh yeah, I don't know. It's to me that's 2870 00:48:00,110 --> 00:48:00,120 yeah, I don't know. It's to me that's 2871 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,870 yeah, I don't know. It's to me that's not really the focal point. It's more 2872 00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:02,880 not really the focal point. It's more 2873 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,670 not really the focal point. It's more just how voluminous and how relentless 2874 00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:06,680 just how voluminous and how relentless 2875 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,110 just how voluminous and how relentless anti-science propaganda has become. It's 2876 00:48:09,110 --> 00:48:09,120 anti-science propaganda has become. It's 2877 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,630 anti-science propaganda has become. It's become this hydra that is inescapable. 2878 00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:12,640 become this hydra that is inescapable. 2879 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,870 become this hydra that is inescapable. It's everywhere and it's insidious. And 2880 00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:15,880 It's everywhere and it's insidious. And 2881 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,270 It's everywhere and it's insidious. And that's that's the battle. You know what 2882 00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:17,280 that's that's the battle. You know what 2883 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,790 that's that's the battle. You know what I mean? I mean, there's these people who 2884 00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:18,800 I mean? I mean, there's these people who 2885 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,630 I mean? I mean, there's these people who there's so many millions of people who 2886 00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:20,640 there's so many millions of people who 2887 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,790 there's so many millions of people who did learn basic biology and basic 2888 00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:23,800 did learn basic biology and basic 2889 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,630 did learn basic biology and basic chemistry and physics and they didn't 2890 00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:25,640 chemistry and physics and they didn't 2891 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,110 chemistry and physics and they didn't get you know, they didn't do great and 2892 00:48:27,110 --> 00:48:27,120 get you know, they didn't do great and 2893 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,470 get you know, they didn't do great and they don't remember a lot of it, but 2894 00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:28,480 they don't remember a lot of it, but 2895 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,550 they don't remember a lot of it, but they they wouldn't naturally come to 2896 00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:30,560 they they wouldn't naturally come to 2897 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,830 they they wouldn't naturally come to these positions that they now hold if it 2898 00:48:32,830 --> 00:48:32,840 these positions that they now hold if it 2899 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,190 these positions that they now hold if it were not for this mountain of propaganda 2900 00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:35,200 were not for this mountain of propaganda 2901 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,630 were not for this mountain of propaganda that has polarized them and put them 2902 00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:36,640 that has polarized them and put them 2903 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,550 that has polarized them and put them there very deliberately for very 2904 00:48:38,550 --> 00:48:38,560 there very deliberately for very 2905 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,910 there very deliberately for very specific political and financial 2906 00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:39,920 specific political and financial 2907 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,190 specific political and financial reasons. 2908 00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:41,200 reasons. 2909 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,910 reasons. So, that's that's the battle that I'm 2910 00:48:42,910 --> 00:48:42,920 So, that's that's the battle that I'm 2911 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,510 So, that's that's the battle that I'm in. I mean, I also create general 2912 00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:44,520 in. I mean, I also create general 2913 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,030 in. I mean, I also create general educational content because the more you 2914 00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:47,040 educational content because the more you 2915 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,590 educational content because the more you learn when you're young, the less likely 2916 00:48:48,590 --> 00:48:48,600 learn when you're young, the less likely 2917 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,390 learn when you're young, the less likely you are to fall for this stuff. But, 2918 00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:50,400 you are to fall for this stuff. But, 2919 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,990 you are to fall for this stuff. But, just the battleground to me is here on 2920 00:48:52,990 --> 00:48:53,000 just the battleground to me is here on 2921 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,870 just the battleground to me is here on the internet where these false 2922 00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:54,880 the internet where these false 2923 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,790 the internet where these false narratives are being peddled. 2924 00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:56,800 narratives are being peddled. 2925 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,230 narratives are being peddled. That's what I spend most of my time 2926 00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:58,240 That's what I spend most of my time 2927 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,670 That's what I spend most of my time thinking about attacking, you know, 2928 00:49:00,670 --> 00:49:00,680 thinking about attacking, you know, 2929 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,230 thinking about attacking, you know, making content to neutralize these very 2930 00:49:03,230 --> 00:49:03,240 making content to neutralize these very 2931 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:05,830 making content to neutralize these very specific toxic figures. 2932 00:49:05,830 --> 00:49:05,840 specific toxic figures. 2933 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,670 specific toxic figures. That's it's the front lines. I'm on the 2934 00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:07,680 That's it's the front lines. I'm on the 2935 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,630 That's it's the front lines. I'm on the front lines. That's where I spend my 2936 00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:09,640 front lines. That's where I spend my 2937 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,950 front lines. That's where I spend my time. Yeah. Can we talk a little bit 2938 00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:11,960 time. Yeah. Can we talk a little bit 2939 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:12,990 time. Yeah. Can we talk a little bit about 2940 00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:13,000 about 2941 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,110 about style? 2942 00:49:15,110 --> 00:49:15,120 style? 2943 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,350 style? And 2944 00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:16,360 And 2945 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,350 And so, it seems like you view yourself as 2946 00:49:19,350 --> 00:49:19,360 so, it seems like you view yourself as 2947 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,470 so, it seems like you view yourself as someone who is bullying the bullies or 2948 00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:22,480 someone who is bullying the bullies or 2949 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,150 someone who is bullying the bullies or something like that. Is that 2950 00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:25,160 something like that. Is that 2951 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,510 something like that. Is that is that right? 2952 00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:26,520 is that right? 2953 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,870 is that right? Yeah, absolutely. 2954 00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:28,880 Yeah, absolutely. 2955 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,910 Yeah, absolutely. It seems like these are Yeah, these are 2956 00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:30,920 It seems like these are Yeah, these are 2957 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,470 It seems like these are Yeah, these are horrible horrible people that are 2958 00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:32,480 horrible horrible people that are 2959 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,510 horrible horrible people that are knowingly pushing falsehoods that kill 2960 00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:34,520 knowingly pushing falsehoods that kill 2961 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,550 knowingly pushing falsehoods that kill people. 2962 00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:35,560 people. 2963 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,550 people. And 2964 00:49:36,550 --> 00:49:36,560 And 2965 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,030 And anybody who winds about my tone in in 2966 00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:40,040 anybody who winds about my tone in in 2967 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,470 anybody who winds about my tone in in addressing and neutralizing these 2968 00:49:41,470 --> 00:49:41,480 addressing and neutralizing these 2969 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,670 addressing and neutralizing these figures can [\h__\h] themselves. That's what 2970 00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:43,680 figures can [\h__\h] themselves. That's what 2971 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:44,910 figures can [\h__\h] themselves. That's what I think. 2972 00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:44,920 I think. 2973 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:45,790 I think. >> Okay. 2974 00:49:45,790 --> 00:49:45,800 >> Okay. 2975 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,190 >> Okay. It seems like some of the people that 2976 00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:47,200 It seems like some of the people that 2977 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,270 It seems like some of the people that you 2978 00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:49,280 you 2979 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,510 you are taking down are genuinely not smart. 2980 00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:53,520 are taking down are genuinely not smart. 2981 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:54,270 are taking down are genuinely not smart. Like 2982 00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:54,280 Like 2983 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,710 Like >> Yeah, Terrence Howard or I mean yeah, 2984 00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:56,720 >> Yeah, Terrence Howard or I mean yeah, 2985 00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:57,670 >> Yeah, Terrence Howard or I mean yeah, that I mean that's the one that comes to 2986 00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:57,680 that I mean that's the one that comes to 2987 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,390 that I mean that's the one that comes to mind. Honestly, yeah. 2988 00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:59,400 mind. Honestly, yeah. 2989 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,270 mind. Honestly, yeah. >> Yeah, I make a lot of I make a lot of 2990 00:50:01,270 --> 00:50:01,280 >> Yeah, I make a lot of I make a lot of 2991 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,590 >> Yeah, I make a lot of I make a lot of content and you know, some of it is very 2992 00:50:04,590 --> 00:50:04,600 content and you know, some of it is very 2993 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,390 content and you know, some of it is very has a very extreme social necessity and 2994 00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:08,400 has a very extreme social necessity and 2995 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,950 has a very extreme social necessity and anything in the medical realm obviously 2996 00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:10,960 anything in the medical realm obviously 2997 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,590 anything in the medical realm obviously and I've been trying to focus on that 2998 00:50:12,590 --> 00:50:12,600 and I've been trying to focus on that 2999 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,270 and I've been trying to focus on that very heavily because I do recognize the 3000 00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:15,280 very heavily because I do recognize the 3001 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,230 very heavily because I do recognize the how how dire that is and this is a 3002 00:50:17,230 --> 00:50:17,240 how how dire that is and this is a 3003 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:19,230 how how dire that is and this is a societal need. Sometimes I comment on a 3004 00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:19,240 societal need. Sometimes I comment on a 3005 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,190 societal need. Sometimes I comment on a viral moment. So Terrence Howard I think 3006 00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:21,200 viral moment. So Terrence Howard I think 3007 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,430 viral moment. So Terrence Howard I think is genuinely mentally ill. 3008 00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:23,440 is genuinely mentally ill. 3009 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,270 is genuinely mentally ill. He's also a toxic person though. I mean 3010 00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:25,280 He's also a toxic person though. I mean 3011 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,710 He's also a toxic person though. I mean he's he's not a good person. 3012 00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:27,720 he's he's not a good person. 3013 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:28,430 he's he's not a good person. Um 3014 00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:28,440 Um 3015 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,830 Um but so with that stuff, I do enjoy 3016 00:50:31,830 --> 00:50:31,840 but so with that stuff, I do enjoy 3017 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,590 but so with that stuff, I do enjoy making fun of him as I think he deserves 3018 00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:33,600 making fun of him as I think he deserves 3019 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:34,430 making fun of him as I think he deserves it. 3020 00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:34,440 it. 3021 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,150 it. The narcissism there is just completely 3022 00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:36,160 The narcissism there is just completely 3023 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,390 The narcissism there is just completely off the charts, but it's also just kind 3024 00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:38,400 off the charts, but it's also just kind 3025 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,550 off the charts, but it's also just kind of a commentary on what's going on 3026 00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:40,560 of a commentary on what's going on 3027 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,430 of a commentary on what's going on culturally that a narrative like that 3028 00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:42,440 culturally that a narrative like that 3029 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,790 culturally that a narrative like that could gain any kind of traction 3030 00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:43,800 could gain any kind of traction 3031 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,910 could gain any kind of traction whatsoever whatsoever and commenting on 3032 00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:45,920 whatsoever whatsoever and commenting on 3033 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,590 whatsoever whatsoever and commenting on the mentality of the people who can 3034 00:50:47,590 --> 00:50:47,600 the mentality of the people who can 3035 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,230 the mentality of the people who can become ensnared by that, you know. Um So 3036 00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:50,240 become ensnared by that, you know. Um So 3037 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:52,030 become ensnared by that, you know. Um So it it's it's a valid it's valid 3038 00:50:52,030 --> 00:50:52,040 it it's it's a valid it's valid 3039 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,510 it it's it's a valid it's valid commentary, but as as you can see I'm 3040 00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:54,520 commentary, but as as you can see I'm 3041 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,230 commentary, but as as you can see I'm not talking about Terrence Howard every 3042 00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:56,240 not talking about Terrence Howard every 3043 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:57,710 not talking about Terrence Howard every week, you know, I I kind of cashed in on 3044 00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:57,720 week, you know, I I kind of cashed in on 3045 00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:59,310 week, you know, I I kind of cashed in on that viral moment and then 3046 00:50:59,310 --> 00:50:59,320 that viral moment and then 3047 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,150 that viral moment and then I'm I'm focusing more on these very 3048 00:51:01,150 --> 00:51:01,160 I'm I'm focusing more on these very 3049 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,910 I'm I'm focusing more on these very specific cults that do more harm, but uh 3050 00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:04,920 specific cults that do more harm, but uh 3051 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,910 specific cults that do more harm, but uh Yeah, but sure. Fair fair play. 3052 00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:07,920 Yeah, but sure. Fair fair play. 3053 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,510 Yeah, but sure. Fair fair play. >> Yeah, 3054 00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:09,520 >> Yeah, 3055 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,590 >> Yeah, yeah, I 3056 00:51:10,590 --> 00:51:10,600 yeah, I 3057 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,710 yeah, I I don't obviously don't know Terrence 3058 00:51:11,710 --> 00:51:11,720 I don't obviously don't know Terrence 3059 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:13,150 I don't obviously don't know Terrence Howard 3060 00:51:13,150 --> 00:51:13,160 Howard 3061 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,910 Howard personally, but it does seem like 3062 00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:15,920 personally, but it does seem like 3063 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,670 personally, but it does seem like he's got that like self-aggrandizing 3064 00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:17,680 he's got that like self-aggrandizing 3065 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,310 he's got that like self-aggrandizing like something's something's perhaps not 3066 00:51:20,310 --> 00:51:20,320 like something's something's perhaps not 3067 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,110 like something's something's perhaps not right in his head. Like he he might 3068 00:51:22,110 --> 00:51:22,120 right in his head. Like he he might 3069 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,430 right in his head. Like he he might think that he's God. 3070 00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:24,440 think that he's God. 3071 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,190 think that he's God. And also genuinely mentally ill. Yeah, 3072 00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:26,200 And also genuinely mentally ill. Yeah, 3073 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,870 And also genuinely mentally ill. Yeah, and he also doesn't know the definitions 3074 00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:28,880 and he also doesn't know the definitions 3075 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,830 and he also doesn't know the definitions of common words. No idea. He has no 3076 00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:31,840 of common words. No idea. He has no 3077 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,350 of common words. No idea. He has no >> No idea what he's saying. It's word 3078 00:51:33,350 --> 00:51:33,360 >> No idea what he's saying. It's word 3079 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,590 >> No idea what he's saying. It's word salad. It's just he's just 3080 00:51:35,590 --> 00:51:35,600 salad. It's just he's just 3081 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,150 salad. It's just he's just spewing words at random. 3082 00:51:37,150 --> 00:51:37,160 spewing words at random. 3083 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,670 spewing words at random. >> And it seems like he's come up with some 3084 00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:38,680 >> And it seems like he's come up with some 3085 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,990 >> And it seems like he's come up with some ideas that I'm not like maybe I'm not 3086 00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:42,000 ideas that I'm not like maybe I'm not 3087 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,710 ideas that I'm not like maybe I'm not smart enough. 3088 00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:42,720 smart enough. 3089 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,150 smart enough. >> not. 3090 00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:44,160 >> not. 3091 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,110 >> not. He has not and that is not the case. 3092 00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:46,120 He has not and that is not the case. 3093 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,150 He has not and that is not the case. >> I'm I'm trying to stay open to may maybe 3094 00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:49,160 >> I'm I'm trying to stay open to may maybe 3095 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,670 >> I'm I'm trying to stay open to may maybe 99% of it is gibberish and there's 3096 00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:51,680 99% of it is gibberish and there's 3097 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,070 99% of it is gibberish and there's something he's he's got something in 3098 00:51:54,070 --> 00:51:54,080 something he's he's got something in 3099 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,590 something he's he's got something in just unable to communicate it cuz he 3100 00:51:55,590 --> 00:51:55,600 just unable to communicate it cuz he 3101 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,270 just unable to communicate it cuz he doesn't have the vocabulary. Uh but 3102 00:51:58,270 --> 00:51:58,280 doesn't have the vocabulary. Uh but 3103 00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,790 doesn't have the vocabulary. Uh but okay. Fair enough. 3104 00:51:59,790 --> 00:51:59,800 okay. Fair enough. 3105 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:00,790 okay. Fair enough. >> Um 3106 00:52:00,790 --> 00:52:00,800 >> Um 3107 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,790 >> Um For peop- for people like that though, 3108 00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:02,800 For peop- for people like that though, 3109 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,995 For peop- for people like that though, like um I don't know. It's like it feels 3110 00:52:06,995 --> 00:52:07,005 like um I don't know. It's like it feels 3111 00:52:07,005 --> 00:52:07,550 like um I don't know. It's like it feels >> [snorts] 3112 00:52:07,550 --> 00:52:07,560 >> [snorts] 3113 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,990 >> [snorts] >> uh you're not supposed to like make fun 3114 00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:10,000 >> uh you're not supposed to like make fun 3115 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,990 >> uh you're not supposed to like make fun of the men- mentally handicapped and I 3116 00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:12,000 of the men- mentally handicapped and I 3117 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,470 of the men- mentally handicapped and I feel like some of these people are 3118 00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:13,480 feel like some of these people are 3119 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,870 feel like some of these people are mentally handicapped. 3120 00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:14,880 mentally handicapped. 3121 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,830 mentally handicapped. >> No, I skirt around it by him being 3122 00:52:17,830 --> 00:52:17,840 >> No, I skirt around it by him being 3123 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,750 >> No, I skirt around it by him being a horrible wife-beating lunatic uh 3124 00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:20,760 a horrible wife-beating lunatic uh 3125 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,030 a horrible wife-beating lunatic uh trying to start a cult, you know what I 3126 00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:22,040 trying to start a cult, you know what I 3127 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,230 trying to start a cult, you know what I mean? His 3128 00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:23,240 mean? His 3129 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:24,350 mean? His When when you have that level of 3130 00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:24,360 When when you have that level of 3131 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,550 When when you have that level of influence and you're that toxic a 3132 00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:25,560 influence and you're that toxic a 3133 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,310 influence and you're that toxic a person, you know, just get ready to be 3134 00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:27,320 person, you know, just get ready to be 3135 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,150 person, you know, just get ready to be neutralized, you know? I'm sorry. Like 3136 00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:29,160 neutralized, you know? I'm sorry. Like 3137 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:29,990 neutralized, you know? I'm sorry. Like if [snorts] you're going to poison 3138 00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:30,000 if [snorts] you're going to poison 3139 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,590 if [snorts] you're going to poison society, I'll be the antidote and I 3140 00:52:31,590 --> 00:52:31,600 society, I'll be the antidote and I 3141 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,950 society, I'll be the antidote and I don't care 3142 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:32,960 don't care 3143 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,030 don't care um how you know, like it's just this 3144 00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:35,040 um how you know, like it's just this 3145 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,830 um how you know, like it's just this cry-bully mentality that so many of 3146 00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:36,840 cry-bully mentality that so many of 3147 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,670 cry-bully mentality that so many of these frauds have is they do so so much 3148 00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:39,680 these frauds have is they do so so much 3149 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,150 these frauds have is they do so so much damage and they are toxic people. Um and 3150 00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:42,160 damage and they are toxic people. Um and 3151 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,430 damage and they are toxic people. Um and this is in the government, too, you 3152 00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:43,440 this is in the government, too, you 3153 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,830 this is in the government, too, you know? But just they can be so horrible 3154 00:52:45,830 --> 00:52:45,840 know? But just they can be so horrible 3155 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,550 know? But just they can be so horrible and and so harmful and then the moment 3156 00:52:48,550 --> 00:52:48,560 and and so harmful and then the moment 3157 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,230 and and so harmful and then the moment that somebody brings that energy back to 3158 00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:50,240 that somebody brings that energy back to 3159 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,110 that somebody brings that energy back to them is just "Wow, why are you doing 3160 00:52:52,110 --> 00:52:52,120 them is just "Wow, why are you doing 3161 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,590 them is just "Wow, why are you doing this? You're so mean." It's like [\h__\h] 3162 00:52:53,590 --> 00:52:53,600 this? You're so mean." It's like [\h__\h] 3163 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,270 this? You're so mean." It's like [\h__\h] off. Absolutely not. I will not be 3164 00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:55,280 off. Absolutely not. I will not be 3165 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,750 off. Absolutely not. I will not be gaslit. You're horrible and I'm 3166 00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:57,760 gaslit. You're horrible and I'm 3167 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,790 gaslit. You're horrible and I'm neutralizing your influence on society 3168 00:53:00,790 --> 00:53:00,800 neutralizing your influence on society 3169 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,430 neutralizing your influence on society and you can cry about it till the cows 3170 00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:02,440 and you can cry about it till the cows 3171 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,270 and you can cry about it till the cows come home. Don't care. 3172 00:53:04,270 --> 00:53:04,280 come home. Don't care. 3173 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,630 come home. Don't care. >> When you're making your content, do you 3174 00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:05,640 >> When you're making your content, do you 3175 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,190 >> When you're making your content, do you have a 3176 00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:07,200 have a 3177 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,030 have a um 3178 00:53:08,030 --> 00:53:08,040 um 3179 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,710 um like an audience in mind or a persona or 3180 00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:10,720 like an audience in mind or a persona or 3181 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,270 like an audience in mind or a persona or in mind or like how how do you approach 3182 00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:13,280 in mind or like how how do you approach 3183 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:13,870 in mind or like how how do you approach uh 3184 00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:13,880 uh 3185 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:14,750 uh some new content? 3186 00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:14,760 some new content? 3187 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,470 some new content? >> Yeah. So I try to think very generally 3188 00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:16,480 >> Yeah. So I try to think very generally 3189 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,030 >> Yeah. So I try to think very generally and I try to cast as wide a net as 3190 00:53:18,030 --> 00:53:18,040 and I try to cast as wide a net as 3191 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,750 and I try to cast as wide a net as possible. The thing is that I've learned 3192 00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:19,760 possible. The thing is that I've learned 3193 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,670 possible. The thing is that I've learned over the years that the people who are 3194 00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:21,680 over the years that the people who are 3195 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,510 over the years that the people who are the most entrenched in these narratives 3196 00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:23,520 the most entrenched in these narratives 3197 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,830 the most entrenched in these narratives and these cults will not watch the 3198 00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:25,840 and these cults will not watch the 3199 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,270 and these cults will not watch the content. Does not matter what I say or 3200 00:53:28,270 --> 00:53:28,280 content. Does not matter what I say or 3201 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,990 content. Does not matter what I say or do, they will not press play, they will 3202 00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:30,000 do, they will not press play, they will 3203 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,110 do, they will not press play, they will not watch frame one. They just come to 3204 00:53:32,110 --> 00:53:32,120 not watch frame one. They just come to 3205 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,750 not watch frame one. They just come to whine about it in the comments and uh 3206 00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:34,760 whine about it in the comments and uh 3207 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,910 whine about it in the comments and uh just whine about how mean I am and how 3208 00:53:36,910 --> 00:53:36,920 just whine about how mean I am and how 3209 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,590 just whine about how mean I am and how unqualified I am and whatever other 3210 00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:38,600 unqualified I am and whatever other 3211 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,550 unqualified I am and whatever other manner of deflection that they can uh 3212 00:53:40,550 --> 00:53:40,560 manner of deflection that they can uh 3213 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,830 manner of deflection that they can uh offer. I will and I get in the trenches 3214 00:53:42,830 --> 00:53:42,840 offer. I will and I get in the trenches 3215 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,510 offer. I will and I get in the trenches and what it Where am I wrong? Can't 3216 00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:44,520 and what it Where am I wrong? Can't 3217 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,070 and what it Where am I wrong? Can't answer. Where am I wrong? Can't answer. 3218 00:53:46,070 --> 00:53:46,080 answer. Where am I wrong? Can't answer. 3219 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,910 answer. Where am I wrong? Can't answer. Where am I wrong? Can't answer. 3220 00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:47,920 Where am I wrong? Can't answer. 3221 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,390 Where am I wrong? Can't answer. Um, so people make the mistake of 3222 00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:50,400 Um, so people make the mistake of 3223 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,710 Um, so people make the mistake of thinking that I'm aiming specifically at 3224 00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:52,720 thinking that I'm aiming specifically at 3225 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,830 thinking that I'm aiming specifically at those who are most entrenched. I'm not. 3226 00:53:54,830 --> 00:53:54,840 those who are most entrenched. I'm not. 3227 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,790 those who are most entrenched. I'm not. I'm hoping that they'll that's that a 3228 00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:56,800 I'm hoping that they'll that's that a 3229 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,430 I'm hoping that they'll that's that a tiny percentage of them will will watch 3230 00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:58,440 tiny percentage of them will will watch 3231 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,390 tiny percentage of them will will watch it. But, um, 3232 00:54:00,390 --> 00:54:00,400 it. But, um, 3233 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,430 it. But, um, instead by going very broad, you hit a 3234 00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:02,440 instead by going very broad, you hit a 3235 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,550 instead by going very broad, you hit a number of other groups. Number one, you 3236 00:54:04,550 --> 00:54:04,560 number of other groups. Number one, you 3237 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,110 number of other groups. Number one, you hit the group of people who are, uh, 3238 00:54:08,110 --> 00:54:08,120 hit the group of people who are, uh, 3239 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,350 hit the group of people who are, uh, pretty neutral and kind of coming at 3240 00:54:10,350 --> 00:54:10,360 pretty neutral and kind of coming at 3241 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,710 pretty neutral and kind of coming at this fresh and may have seen some 3242 00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:12,720 this fresh and may have seen some 3243 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,510 this fresh and may have seen some content by somebody, 3244 00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:14,520 content by somebody, 3245 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,670 content by somebody, um, but are open to, uh, an alternate 3246 00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:16,680 um, but are open to, uh, an alternate 3247 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,190 um, but are open to, uh, an alternate perspective. And if they watch my 3248 00:54:18,190 --> 00:54:18,200 perspective. And if they watch my 3249 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,270 perspective. And if they watch my content the way that I set it up, it is 3250 00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:20,280 content the way that I set it up, it is 3251 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,350 content the way that I set it up, it is absolutely undeniable when I expose 3252 00:54:22,350 --> 00:54:22,360 absolutely undeniable when I expose 3253 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,310 absolutely undeniable when I expose somebody as being a lying fraud, there's 3254 00:54:24,310 --> 00:54:24,320 somebody as being a lying fraud, there's 3255 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,270 somebody as being a lying fraud, there's there's no room for for error here. I 3256 00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:26,280 there's no room for for error here. I 3257 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,550 there's no room for for error here. I cite so many sources and and deconstruct 3258 00:54:28,550 --> 00:54:28,560 cite so many sources and and deconstruct 3259 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,830 cite so many sources and and deconstruct their their narratives and deconstruct 3260 00:54:30,830 --> 00:54:30,840 their their narratives and deconstruct 3261 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,630 their their narratives and deconstruct their motives for their narratives, etc. 3262 00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:32,640 their motives for their narratives, etc. 3263 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,470 their motives for their narratives, etc. You can't If you come to my content with 3264 00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:34,480 You can't If you come to my content with 3265 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,870 You can't If you come to my content with an open mind, you there's no way to go 3266 00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:35,880 an open mind, you there's no way to go 3267 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,830 an open mind, you there's no way to go back to these frauds. And then the other 3268 00:54:37,830 --> 00:54:37,840 back to these frauds. And then the other 3269 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,510 back to these frauds. And then the other group that I'm addressing 3270 00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:39,520 group that I'm addressing 3271 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,070 group that I'm addressing is rational people who have gotten wind 3272 00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:42,080 is rational people who have gotten wind 3273 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,270 is rational people who have gotten wind of something and can tell that 3274 00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:43,280 of something and can tell that 3275 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,590 of something and can tell that something's wrong, but they don't have 3276 00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:44,600 something's wrong, but they don't have 3277 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,430 something's wrong, but they don't have the time to do all the research and and 3278 00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:46,440 the time to do all the research and and 3279 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,950 the time to do all the research and and and get and you know, find all of the 3280 00:54:47,950 --> 00:54:47,960 and get and you know, find all of the 3281 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,590 and get and you know, find all of the talking points that, uh, you know, all 3282 00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:49,600 talking points that, uh, you know, all 3283 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:50,990 talking points that, uh, you know, all the facts that counter the talking 3284 00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:51,000 the facts that counter the talking 3285 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,990 the facts that counter the talking points, etc. So, I'm arming the general 3286 00:54:52,990 --> 00:54:53,000 points, etc. So, I'm arming the general 3287 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,430 points, etc. So, I'm arming the general public with the ability to, um, 3288 00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:55,440 public with the ability to, um, 3289 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,870 public with the ability to, um, to push back on these narratives in 3290 00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:56,880 to push back on these narratives in 3291 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,030 to push back on these narratives in their own personal spheres. So, you have 3292 00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:59,040 their own personal spheres. So, you have 3293 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,110 their own personal spheres. So, you have a buddy who's an anti-vaxxer at work or 3294 00:55:01,110 --> 00:55:01,120 a buddy who's an anti-vaxxer at work or 3295 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,430 a buddy who's an anti-vaxxer at work or your in your family, you know, you have 3296 00:55:02,430 --> 00:55:02,440 your in your family, you know, you have 3297 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,230 your in your family, you know, you have a family member that spews this crap 3298 00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:04,240 a family member that spews this crap 3299 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,070 a family member that spews this crap that they heard from whoever whatever 3300 00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:06,080 that they heard from whoever whatever 3301 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,750 that they heard from whoever whatever jerk was on Joe Rogan. 3302 00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:07,760 jerk was on Joe Rogan. 3303 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,870 jerk was on Joe Rogan. Here you go. Here's a 45-minute video of 3304 00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:09,880 Here you go. Here's a 45-minute video of 3305 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,750 Here you go. Here's a 45-minute video of me deconstructing everything this jerk 3306 00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:11,760 me deconstructing everything this jerk 3307 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,470 me deconstructing everything this jerk says. Um, so here's here's here's what 3308 00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:14,480 says. Um, so here's here's here's what 3309 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,590 says. Um, so here's here's here's what you say. And watch that person in your 3310 00:55:16,590 --> 00:55:16,600 you say. And watch that person in your 3311 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,510 you say. And watch that person in your life be completely flabbergasted and 3312 00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:18,520 life be completely flabbergasted and 3313 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,270 life be completely flabbergasted and unable to counter these very basic 3314 00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:20,280 unable to counter these very basic 3315 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,310 unable to counter these very basic facts. Um, that sort of thing. 3316 00:55:22,310 --> 00:55:22,320 facts. Um, that sort of thing. 3317 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,070 facts. Um, that sort of thing. >> Yeah, so then, uh, they take your 3318 00:55:24,070 --> 00:55:24,080 >> Yeah, so then, uh, they take your 3319 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,350 >> Yeah, so then, uh, they take your information to Thanksgiving dinner and 3320 00:55:26,350 --> 00:55:26,360 information to Thanksgiving dinner and 3321 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,990 information to Thanksgiving dinner and uh, have some way to hold their ground. 3322 00:55:28,990 --> 00:55:29,000 uh, have some way to hold their ground. 3323 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,390 uh, have some way to hold their ground. Um, 3324 00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:30,400 Um, 3325 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,350 Um, Are are you 3326 00:55:32,350 --> 00:55:32,360 Are are you 3327 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,710 Are are you Is your YouTube personality the same 3328 00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:33,720 Is your YouTube personality the same 3329 00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:34,910 Is your YouTube personality the same personality that you are at 3330 00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:34,920 personality that you are at 3331 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,830 personality that you are at Thanksgiving? 3332 00:55:36,830 --> 00:55:36,840 Thanksgiving? 3333 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,950 Thanksgiving? >> Uh, well, no. I mean, because what 3334 00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:39,960 >> Uh, well, no. I mean, because what 3335 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,950 >> Uh, well, no. I mean, because what I don't surround myself by grifting 3336 00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:42,960 I don't surround myself by grifting 3337 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,590 I don't surround myself by grifting science-denying frauds. So, there's uh 3338 00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:45,600 science-denying frauds. So, there's uh 3339 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:46,870 science-denying frauds. So, there's uh >> You don't choose your family, though. 3340 00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:46,880 >> You don't choose your family, though. 3341 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,710 >> You don't choose your family, though. Like, like, some some some of us are 3342 00:55:49,710 --> 00:55:49,720 Like, like, some some some of us are 3343 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:50,830 Like, like, some some some of us are >> My family 3344 00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:50,840 >> My family 3345 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,550 >> My family sure, totally. I mean, uh yeah. So, I 3346 00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:53,560 sure, totally. I mean, uh yeah. So, I 3347 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,590 sure, totally. I mean, uh yeah. So, I mean, I I treat people how they deserve 3348 00:55:55,590 --> 00:55:55,600 mean, I I treat people how they deserve 3349 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,110 mean, I I treat people how they deserve to be treated and I speak to people how 3350 00:55:57,110 --> 00:55:57,120 to be treated and I speak to people how 3351 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,990 to be treated and I speak to people how they deserve to be spoken to. Um, and 3352 00:55:58,990 --> 00:55:59,000 they deserve to be spoken to. Um, and 3353 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,030 they deserve to be spoken to. Um, and so, the the thing is that my content is 3354 00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:02,040 so, the the thing is that my content is 3355 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,470 so, the the thing is that my content is aimed uh at largely at at at 3356 00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:04,480 aimed uh at largely at at at 3357 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,190 aimed uh at largely at at at propaganda-peddling 3358 00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:06,200 propaganda-peddling 3359 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,710 propaganda-peddling frauds who deserve much worse than stern 3360 00:56:07,710 --> 00:56:07,720 frauds who deserve much worse than stern 3361 00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:09,270 frauds who deserve much worse than stern words. A lot of them deserve to be in 3362 00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:09,280 words. A lot of them deserve to be in 3363 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,310 words. A lot of them deserve to be in jail. Um 3364 00:56:11,310 --> 00:56:11,320 jail. Um 3365 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,870 jail. Um and so, if you get a a picture of me as 3366 00:56:13,870 --> 00:56:13,880 and so, if you get a a picture of me as 3367 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,350 and so, if you get a a picture of me as sort of, you know, always that way, 3368 00:56:15,350 --> 00:56:15,360 sort of, you know, always that way, 3369 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,110 sort of, you know, always that way, well, look, I'm dealing with these very 3370 00:56:17,110 --> 00:56:17,120 well, look, I'm dealing with these very 3371 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,430 well, look, I'm dealing with these very specific figures that are not 3372 00:56:18,430 --> 00:56:18,440 specific figures that are not 3373 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,150 specific figures that are not representative of a of the general 3374 00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:20,160 representative of a of the general 3375 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,030 representative of a of the general public. Um, but uh in in my personal 3376 00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:23,040 public. Um, but uh in in my personal 3377 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,230 public. Um, but uh in in my personal life, obviously, I don't associate with 3378 00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:24,240 life, obviously, I don't associate with 3379 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:26,830 life, obviously, I don't associate with such people. So, I'm much more cheerful 3380 00:56:26,830 --> 00:56:26,840 such people. So, I'm much more cheerful 3381 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,030 such people. So, I'm much more cheerful and and garrulous and uh 3382 00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:29,040 and and garrulous and uh 3383 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,150 and and garrulous and uh uh easy to get along with. Um 3384 00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:31,160 uh easy to get along with. Um 3385 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,230 uh easy to get along with. Um >> Yeah, I mean, you're you've been 3386 00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:32,240 >> Yeah, I mean, you're you've been 3387 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:34,350 >> Yeah, I mean, you're you've been perfectly nice to me. Uh and obviously, 3388 00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:34,360 perfectly nice to me. Uh and obviously, 3389 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,070 perfectly nice to me. Uh and obviously, I've exposed some places where I've I've 3390 00:56:36,070 --> 00:56:36,080 I've exposed some places where I've I've 3391 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,830 I've exposed some places where I've I've got ideas that you I'm sure strongly 3392 00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:37,840 got ideas that you I'm sure strongly 3393 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,150 got ideas that you I'm sure strongly disagree with. Uh but that seems to be 3394 00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:40,160 disagree with. Uh but that seems to be 3395 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,910 disagree with. Uh but that seems to be my experience of you 3396 00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:41,920 my experience of you 3397 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,830 my experience of you as a guest on other uh shows is like you 3398 00:56:45,830 --> 00:56:45,840 as a guest on other uh shows is like you 3399 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,350 as a guest on other uh shows is like you you're cool until people aren't cool. 3400 00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:47,360 you're cool until people aren't cool. 3401 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,390 you're cool until people aren't cool. And then 3402 00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:48,400 And then 3403 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,950 And then you match their not coolness. 3404 00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:49,960 you match their not coolness. 3405 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,590 you match their not coolness. >> You start some [\h__\h] I'll smack you 3406 00:56:51,590 --> 00:56:51,600 >> You start some [\h__\h] I'll smack you 3407 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:52,579 >> You start some [\h__\h] I'll smack you down. 3408 00:56:52,579 --> 00:56:52,589 down. 3409 00:56:52,589 --> 00:56:53,470 down. >> [laughter] 3410 00:56:53,470 --> 00:56:53,480 >> [laughter] 3411 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,710 >> [laughter] >> Um what just to end a couple ending 3412 00:56:55,710 --> 00:56:55,720 >> Um what just to end a couple ending 3413 00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,230 >> Um what just to end a couple ending questions here. Um what do you think are 3414 00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:58,240 questions here. Um what do you think are 3415 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,310 questions here. Um what do you think are the most dangerous popular ideas 3416 00:57:01,310 --> 00:57:01,320 the most dangerous popular ideas 3417 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,030 the most dangerous popular ideas currently? 3418 00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:03,040 currently? 3419 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,630 currently? >> Everything in the medical realm. I mean, 3420 00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:04,640 >> Everything in the medical realm. I mean, 3421 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,110 >> Everything in the medical realm. I mean, just 3422 00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:05,120 just 3423 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,950 just >> what we've been seeing most specifically 3424 00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:07,960 >> what we've been seeing most specifically 3425 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,710 >> what we've been seeing most specifically aimed at vaccines. I mean, just anti-vax 3426 00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:10,720 aimed at vaccines. I mean, just anti-vax 3427 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,230 aimed at vaccines. I mean, just anti-vax propaganda is out of control. It's out 3428 00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:13,240 propaganda is out of control. It's out 3429 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:14,790 propaganda is out of control. It's out of control. I've never seen anything 3430 00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:14,800 of control. I've never seen anything 3431 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,590 of control. I've never seen anything like that like it. There's just so many 3432 00:57:16,590 --> 00:57:16,600 like that like it. There's just so many 3433 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,470 like that like it. There's just so many figures and it's and it's in the 3434 00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:18,480 figures and it's and it's in the 3435 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,470 figures and it's and it's in the government now, right? CDC's no longer a 3436 00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:20,480 government now, right? CDC's no longer a 3437 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,350 government now, right? CDC's no longer a trusted source of information under 3438 00:57:22,350 --> 00:57:22,360 trusted source of information under 3439 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,430 trusted source of information under Bobby Kennedy and every single one of 3440 00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:24,440 Bobby Kennedy and every single one of 3441 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,190 Bobby Kennedy and every single one of his underlings, everybody heading the 3442 00:57:26,190 --> 00:57:26,200 his underlings, everybody heading the 3443 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,830 his underlings, everybody heading the individual departments. 3444 00:57:27,830 --> 00:57:27,840 individual departments. 3445 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,150 individual departments. Um 3446 00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:29,160 Um 3447 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,950 Um yeah, kids are dying. Kids kids are 3448 00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:30,960 yeah, kids are dying. Kids kids are 3449 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,750 yeah, kids are dying. Kids kids are starting to die again from from you know 3450 00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:33,760 starting to die again from from you know 3451 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,670 starting to die again from from you know we're seeing a huge spike in measles 3452 00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:35,680 we're seeing a huge spike in measles 3453 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,510 we're seeing a huge spike in measles pertussis all these vaccine preventable 3454 00:57:38,510 --> 00:57:38,520 pertussis all these vaccine preventable 3455 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:39,950 pertussis all these vaccine preventable diseases 3456 00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:39,960 diseases 3457 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,750 diseases and then it's just generally leading 3458 00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:41,760 and then it's just generally leading 3459 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,710 and then it's just generally leading towards distrust of 3460 00:57:43,710 --> 00:57:43,720 towards distrust of 3461 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,150 towards distrust of medical science and and you know 3462 00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:45,160 medical science and and you know 3463 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,550 medical science and and you know legitimate uh 3464 00:57:46,550 --> 00:57:46,560 legitimate uh 3465 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,710 legitimate uh medicine which is yielding other deaths 3466 00:57:49,710 --> 00:57:49,720 medicine which is yielding other deaths 3467 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:50,270 medicine which is yielding other deaths um 3468 00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:50,280 um 3469 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,390 um Yeah and it's all just in favor like 3470 00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:52,400 Yeah and it's all just in favor like 3471 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,990 Yeah and it's all just in favor like just anything that's 3472 00:57:54,990 --> 00:57:55,000 just anything that's 3473 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,710 just anything that's like anti vax anti legitimate medicine 3474 00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:58,720 like anti vax anti legitimate medicine 3475 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,510 like anti vax anti legitimate medicine and then all of the the alt health 3476 00:58:00,510 --> 00:58:00,520 and then all of the the alt health 3477 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:01,710 and then all of the the alt health wellness 3478 00:58:01,710 --> 00:58:01,720 wellness 3479 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,550 wellness grifters that are trying to sell 3480 00:58:03,550 --> 00:58:03,560 grifters that are trying to sell 3481 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,390 grifters that are trying to sell whatever other snake oil those are two 3482 00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:05,400 whatever other snake oil those are two 3483 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,590 whatever other snake oil those are two sides of the same coin of course. 3484 00:58:07,590 --> 00:58:07,600 sides of the same coin of course. 3485 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,190 sides of the same coin of course. Um that's the most immediately directly 3486 00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:10,200 Um that's the most immediately directly 3487 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,830 Um that's the most immediately directly harmful. Then you have like you know 3488 00:58:12,830 --> 00:58:12,840 harmful. Then you have like you know 3489 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:13,950 harmful. Then you have like you know climate change denial. 3490 00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:13,960 climate change denial. 3491 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,590 climate change denial. >> Can you expand on Can you expand on the 3492 00:58:15,590 --> 00:58:15,600 >> Can you expand on Can you expand on the 3493 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,270 >> Can you expand on Can you expand on the medical thing real quick? So there's 3494 00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:17,280 medical thing real quick? So there's 3495 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,710 medical thing real quick? So there's anti-vax 3496 00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:18,720 anti-vax 3497 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,670 anti-vax What other can you list some other 3498 00:58:20,670 --> 00:58:20,680 What other can you list some other 3499 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,710 What other can you list some other things in that category for me? 3500 00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:22,720 things in that category for me? 3501 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,750 things in that category for me? >> Uh I mean any like whenever Bobby is 3502 00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:25,760 >> Uh I mean any like whenever Bobby is 3503 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,230 >> Uh I mean any like whenever Bobby is like oh Tylenol causes autism this kind 3504 00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:28,240 like oh Tylenol causes autism this kind 3505 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,590 like oh Tylenol causes autism this kind of crap you know what I mean just 3506 00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:29,600 of crap you know what I mean just 3507 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,830 of crap you know what I mean just anything that villainizes 3508 00:58:32,830 --> 00:58:32,840 anything that villainizes 3509 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:33,910 anything that villainizes you know I don't even want to say 3510 00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:33,920 you know I don't even want to say 3511 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,630 you know I don't even want to say medical establishment because there's 3512 00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:35,640 medical establishment because there's 3513 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,510 medical establishment because there's you know just there's these words that 3514 00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:37,520 you know just there's these words that 3515 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,950 you know just there's these words that have that have become negative buzzwords 3516 00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:39,960 have that have become negative buzzwords 3517 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,070 have that have become negative buzzwords like establishment and consensus. It's 3518 00:58:42,070 --> 00:58:42,080 like establishment and consensus. It's 3519 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,110 like establishment and consensus. It's very clever what this propaganda does 3520 00:58:44,110 --> 00:58:44,120 very clever what this propaganda does 3521 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,350 very clever what this propaganda does right establishment means established 3522 00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:46,360 right establishment means established 3523 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,350 right establishment means established established knowledge knowledge that we 3524 00:58:48,350 --> 00:58:48,360 established knowledge knowledge that we 3525 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,630 established knowledge knowledge that we have established over centuries that we 3526 00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:50,640 have established over centuries that we 3527 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,510 have established over centuries that we understand to be true over very rigorous 3528 00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:53,520 understand to be true over very rigorous 3529 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,350 understand to be true over very rigorous experimentation and testing and 3530 00:58:55,350 --> 00:58:55,360 experimentation and testing and 3531 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,110 experimentation and testing and confirmation of what we know. That 3532 00:58:57,110 --> 00:58:57,120 confirmation of what we know. That 3533 00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,270 confirmation of what we know. That shouldn't be a bad word. Consensus same 3534 00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:59,280 shouldn't be a bad word. Consensus same 3535 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,470 shouldn't be a bad word. Consensus same thing right Consensus has become this 3536 00:59:01,470 --> 00:59:01,480 thing right Consensus has become this 3537 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,390 thing right Consensus has become this buzzword that the propaganda peddlers 3538 00:59:03,390 --> 00:59:03,400 buzzword that the propaganda peddlers 3539 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,670 buzzword that the propaganda peddlers have trained people to recoil at like a 3540 00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:05,680 have trained people to recoil at like a 3541 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,950 have trained people to recoil at like a Pavlovian response. We're like consensus 3542 00:59:07,950 --> 00:59:07,960 Pavlovian response. We're like consensus 3543 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,230 Pavlovian response. We're like consensus oh that's bad that's No it's just what 3544 00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:10,240 oh that's bad that's No it's just what 3545 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,870 oh that's bad that's No it's just what everyone who knows what the [\h__\h] they're 3546 00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:11,880 everyone who knows what the [\h__\h] they're 3547 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,750 everyone who knows what the [\h__\h] they're talking about agrees on because it's 3548 00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:13,760 talking about agrees on because it's 3549 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,950 talking about agrees on because it's true and empirically validated 3550 00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:15,960 true and empirically validated 3551 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,190 true and empirically validated consensus should be a good word 3552 00:59:18,190 --> 00:59:18,200 consensus should be a good word 3553 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,270 consensus should be a good word but that's what this propaganda needs to 3554 00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:20,280 but that's what this propaganda needs to 3555 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,150 but that's what this propaganda needs to train people to do is to take this 3556 00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:22,160 train people to do is to take this 3557 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,630 train people to do is to take this mountain of verified scientific 3558 00:59:23,630 --> 00:59:23,640 mountain of verified scientific 3559 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,630 mountain of verified scientific information and just brush it aside with 3560 00:59:25,630 --> 00:59:25,640 information and just brush it aside with 3561 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,390 information and just brush it aside with one fell swoop. Equate knowledge and 3562 00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:28,400 one fell swoop. Equate knowledge and 3563 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,550 one fell swoop. Equate knowledge and expertise with corruption. That's what 3564 00:59:30,550 --> 00:59:30,560 expertise with corruption. That's what 3565 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,830 expertise with corruption. That's what this propaganda has to do. Because if 3566 00:59:32,830 --> 00:59:32,840 this propaganda has to do. Because if 3567 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,190 this propaganda has to do. Because if you actually learn and understand 3568 00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:34,200 you actually learn and understand 3569 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:35,870 you actually learn and understand science, all of these other alternative 3570 00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:35,880 science, all of these other alternative 3571 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,950 science, all of these other alternative narratives, they just fall they crumble 3572 00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:37,960 narratives, they just fall they crumble 3573 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,870 narratives, they just fall they crumble so quickly. Um 3574 00:59:39,870 --> 00:59:39,880 so quickly. Um 3575 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,590 so quickly. Um So, anything named that, you know, like 3576 00:59:42,590 --> 00:59:42,600 So, anything named that, you know, like 3577 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:43,270 So, anything named that, you know, like the 3578 00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:43,280 the 3579 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,830 the the overly cartoonish villainization of 3580 00:59:45,830 --> 00:59:45,840 the overly cartoonish villainization of 3581 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,310 the overly cartoonish villainization of of of the pharmaceutical industry 3582 00:59:48,310 --> 00:59:48,320 of of the pharmaceutical industry 3583 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,510 of of the pharmaceutical industry um is is obviously part of it. Uh you 3584 00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:50,520 um is is obviously part of it. Uh you 3585 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,150 um is is obviously part of it. Uh you know, you can there's plenty of things 3586 00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:52,160 know, you can there's plenty of things 3587 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,110 know, you can there's plenty of things to criticize pharmaceutical industry 3588 00:59:54,110 --> 00:59:54,120 to criticize pharmaceutical industry 3589 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,910 to criticize pharmaceutical industry for, but this thing of like pharma bad 3590 00:59:56,910 --> 00:59:56,920 for, but this thing of like pharma bad 3591 00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,150 for, but this thing of like pharma bad poison you with the poison things uh is 3592 01:00:00,150 --> 01:00:00,160 poison you with the poison things uh is 3593 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,190 poison you with the poison things uh is just it's it's infantile. 3594 01:00:02,190 --> 01:00:02,200 just it's it's infantile. 3595 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:02,750 just it's it's infantile. Um 3596 01:00:02,750 --> 01:00:02,760 Um 3597 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,990 Um >> Can Can you list a thing uh cuz you seem 3598 01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:06,000 >> Can Can you list a thing uh cuz you seem 3599 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,990 >> Can Can you list a thing uh cuz you seem to be uh careful there to use extreme 3600 01:00:08,990 --> 01:00:09,000 to be uh careful there to use extreme 3601 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,150 to be uh careful there to use extreme words describing pharma. Can you Can you 3602 01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:11,160 words describing pharma. Can you Can you 3603 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,270 words describing pharma. Can you Can you describe a couple things that you 3604 01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:12,280 describe a couple things that you 3605 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,070 describe a couple things that you personally feel like 3606 01:00:14,070 --> 01:00:14,080 personally feel like 3607 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,310 personally feel like are wrong with the pharmaceutical 3608 01:00:15,310 --> 01:00:15,320 are wrong with the pharmaceutical 3609 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,430 are wrong with the pharmaceutical industry? 3610 01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:16,440 industry? 3611 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,350 industry? >> Yeah, I mean, the same as there is with 3612 01:00:18,350 --> 01:00:18,360 >> Yeah, I mean, the same as there is with 3613 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,230 >> Yeah, I mean, the same as there is with any other gigantic industry um where 3614 01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:21,240 any other gigantic industry um where 3615 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:22,910 any other gigantic industry um where there where there are people that are 3616 01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:22,920 there where there are people that are 3617 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,190 there where there are people that are profit-oriented that are trying to 3618 01:00:24,190 --> 01:00:24,200 profit-oriented that are trying to 3619 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,470 profit-oriented that are trying to squeeze out a little more profit. So, uh 3620 01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:27,480 squeeze out a little more profit. So, uh 3621 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,030 squeeze out a little more profit. So, uh trying to convince doctors to prescribe 3622 01:00:30,030 --> 01:00:30,040 trying to convince doctors to prescribe 3623 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,150 trying to convince doctors to prescribe things that are slightly off-label. 3624 01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:32,160 things that are slightly off-label. 3625 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,470 things that are slightly off-label. Right? It's, you know, it's it it it is 3626 01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:34,480 Right? It's, you know, it's it it it is 3627 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,470 Right? It's, you know, it's it it it is unethical, right? I mean, like this 3628 01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:36,480 unethical, right? I mean, like this 3629 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,510 unethical, right? I mean, like this might not work that well, but will you 3630 01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:38,520 might not work that well, but will you 3631 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,310 might not work that well, but will you will you prescribe it anyway? But it's 3632 01:00:40,310 --> 01:00:40,320 will you prescribe it anyway? But it's 3633 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,710 will you prescribe it anyway? But it's still something, you know, it's still if 3634 01:00:41,710 --> 01:00:41,720 still something, you know, it's still if 3635 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,190 still something, you know, it's still if it's a drug that's FDA approved, you 3636 01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:43,200 it's a drug that's FDA approved, you 3637 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,070 it's a drug that's FDA approved, you know, it's it's it's had its safety 3638 01:00:45,070 --> 01:00:45,080 know, it's it's it's had its safety 3639 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,310 know, it's it's it's had its safety demonstrated, you know? Um will the 3640 01:00:47,310 --> 01:00:47,320 demonstrated, you know? Um will the 3641 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,190 demonstrated, you know? Um will the efficacy be as high for this uh 3642 01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:49,200 efficacy be as high for this uh 3643 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,510 efficacy be as high for this uh off-label indication? It might not be, 3644 01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:51,520 off-label indication? It might not be, 3645 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:52,950 off-label indication? It might not be, right? And so, that that's them 3646 01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:52,960 right? And so, that that's them 3647 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,350 right? And so, that that's them squeezing 5% more profit out of out of 3648 01:00:55,350 --> 01:00:55,360 squeezing 5% more profit out of out of 3649 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,550 squeezing 5% more profit out of out of something by uh by by in in maybe in 3650 01:00:58,550 --> 01:00:58,560 something by uh by by in in maybe in 3651 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,030 something by uh by by in in maybe in some cases even flat-out bribing 3652 01:01:00,030 --> 01:01:00,040 some cases even flat-out bribing 3653 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,590 some cases even flat-out bribing doctors. That could be the case. So, I 3654 01:01:01,590 --> 01:01:01,600 doctors. That could be the case. So, I 3655 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,870 doctors. That could be the case. So, I mean, there's there's stuff there to 3656 01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:02,880 mean, there's there's stuff there to 3657 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:03,910 mean, there's there's stuff there to talk about, you know, it's a large 3658 01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:03,920 talk about, you know, it's a large 3659 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,270 talk about, you know, it's a large industry. But just it's so not like this 3660 01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:07,280 industry. But just it's so not like this 3661 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,950 industry. But just it's so not like this gigantic equally gigantic and profitable 3662 01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:09,960 gigantic equally gigantic and profitable 3663 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,710 gigantic equally gigantic and profitable alt health wellness space where it's 3664 01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:11,720 alt health wellness space where it's 3665 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,790 alt health wellness space where it's just untested, unregulated supplements, 3666 01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:14,800 just untested, unregulated supplements, 3667 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,750 just untested, unregulated supplements, total snake oil, her harming people left 3668 01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:17,760 total snake oil, her harming people left 3669 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,310 total snake oil, her harming people left and right. You know what I mean? Like 3670 01:01:19,310 --> 01:01:19,320 and right. You know what I mean? Like 3671 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,350 and right. You know what I mean? Like it's it the the the the hyperfixation on 3672 01:01:22,350 --> 01:01:22,360 it's it the the the the hyperfixation on 3673 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,190 it's it the the the the hyperfixation on on on things that can be improved with 3674 01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:24,200 on on things that can be improved with 3675 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,150 on on things that can be improved with the pharmaceutical industry is never 3676 01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:26,160 the pharmaceutical industry is never 3677 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,790 the pharmaceutical industry is never accompanied with this with the necessary 3678 01:01:28,790 --> 01:01:28,800 accompanied with this with the necessary 3679 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,430 accompanied with this with the necessary scrutiny towards the snake oil peddlers 3680 01:01:32,430 --> 01:01:32,440 scrutiny towards the snake oil peddlers 3681 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,350 scrutiny towards the snake oil peddlers in the in the wellness space, you know. 3682 01:01:34,350 --> 01:01:34,360 in the in the wellness space, you know. 3683 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:38,030 in the in the wellness space, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. So then if you could have 3684 01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:38,040 >> Yeah. Yeah. So then if you could have 3685 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,190 >> Yeah. Yeah. So then if you could have like one one billboard or one message 3686 01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:40,200 like one one billboard or one message 3687 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,550 like one one billboard or one message you could get into every home. You've 3688 01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:41,560 you could get into every home. You've 3689 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,910 you could get into every home. You've got your own PBS special or something 3690 01:01:44,910 --> 01:01:44,920 got your own PBS special or something 3691 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,710 got your own PBS special or something and you get you got a couple minutes to 3692 01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:46,720 and you get you got a couple minutes to 3693 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,950 and you get you got a couple minutes to get your message. What do you wish 3694 01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:48,960 get your message. What do you wish 3695 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,950 get your message. What do you wish everybody could understand? 3696 01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:51,960 everybody could understand? 3697 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,390 everybody could understand? >> I wish that everybody could understand 3698 01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:54,400 >> I wish that everybody could understand 3699 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,510 >> I wish that everybody could understand foundational science. As I said, high 3700 01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:56,520 foundational science. As I said, high 3701 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,070 foundational science. As I said, high school level physics, chemistry, 3702 01:01:58,070 --> 01:01:58,080 school level physics, chemistry, 3703 01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,950 school level physics, chemistry, biology, 3704 01:01:59,950 --> 01:01:59,960 biology, 3705 01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:01,750 biology, and medical, you know, information, 3706 01:02:01,750 --> 01:02:01,760 and medical, you know, information, 3707 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,950 and medical, you know, information, things like that. And then to just sort 3708 01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:03,960 things like that. And then to just sort 3709 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,030 things like that. And then to just sort of help people understand that if you 3710 01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:08,040 of help people understand that if you 3711 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,790 of help people understand that if you have like this anti-establishment bias 3712 01:02:10,790 --> 01:02:10,800 have like this anti-establishment bias 3713 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,870 have like this anti-establishment bias is such a is such a mind virus. Right? 3714 01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:14,880 is such a is such a mind virus. Right? 3715 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,350 is such a is such a mind virus. Right? It's something that makes you go 3716 01:02:17,350 --> 01:02:17,360 It's something that makes you go 3717 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,870 It's something that makes you go the actual people who know what they're 3718 01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:18,880 the actual people who know what they're 3719 01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,430 the actual people who know what they're talking about, the global scientific 3720 01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:20,440 talking about, the global scientific 3721 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:21,990 talking about, the global scientific community, they're wrong, they're 3722 01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:22,000 community, they're wrong, they're 3723 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,470 community, they're wrong, they're corrupt, they're clueless, they're 3724 01:02:23,470 --> 01:02:23,480 corrupt, they're clueless, they're 3725 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,230 corrupt, they're clueless, they're captured, whatever. And this jerk on Joe 3726 01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:26,240 captured, whatever. And this jerk on Joe 3727 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,110 captured, whatever. And this jerk on Joe Rogan is the whistleblowing 3728 01:02:28,110 --> 01:02:28,120 Rogan is the whistleblowing 3729 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,670 Rogan is the whistleblowing truth-telling Luke Skywalker and I'm 3730 01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:29,680 truth-telling Luke Skywalker and I'm 3731 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,750 truth-telling Luke Skywalker and I'm going to put all my eggs in that basket. 3732 01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:31,760 going to put all my eggs in that basket. 3733 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,950 going to put all my eggs in that basket. That is the exact wrong way to approach 3734 01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:34,960 That is the exact wrong way to approach 3735 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,768 That is the exact wrong way to approach epistemology. Please stop doing it. 3736 01:02:37,768 --> 01:02:37,778 epistemology. Please stop doing it. 3737 01:02:37,778 --> 01:02:37,830 epistemology. Please stop doing it. >> [laughter] 3738 01:02:37,830 --> 01:02:37,840 >> [laughter] 3739 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,990 >> [laughter] >> And that would be the elevator pitch, I 3740 01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:40,000 >> And that would be the elevator pitch, I 3741 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,230 >> And that would be the elevator pitch, I think. 3742 01:02:41,230 --> 01:02:41,240 think. 3743 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,110 think. >> All right. Well, thank you for joining 3744 01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:43,120 >> All right. Well, thank you for joining 3745 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,430 >> All right. Well, thank you for joining me and thank you for the content that 3746 01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:45,440 me and thank you for the content that 3747 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:46,790 me and thank you for the content that you're putting out. I I really enjoy the 3748 01:02:46,790 --> 01:02:46,800 you're putting out. I I really enjoy the 3749 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,350 you're putting out. I I really enjoy the information as a source of 3750 01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:50,360 information as a source of 3751 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,550 information as a source of alternative information to the 3752 01:02:51,550 --> 01:02:51,560 alternative information to the 3753 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,150 alternative information to the alternative information. 3754 01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:53,160 alternative information. 3755 01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,390 alternative information. >> Absolutely, yeah. 3756 01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:54,400 >> Absolutely, yeah. 3757 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:55,790 >> Absolutely, yeah. That's a good way to good way to think 3758 01:02:55,790 --> 01:02:55,800 That's a good way to good way to think 3759 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,418 That's a good way to good way to think of it. Thanks for having me. 3760 01:02:57,418 --> 01:02:57,428 of it. Thanks for having me. 3761 01:02:57,428 --> 01:02:58,150 of it. Thanks for having me. >> [snorts] 3762 01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:58,160 >> [snorts] 3763 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,880 >> [snorts] >> All right, Libby.